#tikiwiki 2015-10-14,Wed

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Jyhem_laptop	olinuxx: sorry, I've been away. The syslog data is just for the syslog display. You can just delete the table contents. If you are unsure, just back up the table until you verify you lost only the syslog info. hi fabricius mattbmc: I have no issue with ubuntu server when installing Tiki	[00:32]
olinuxx	Jyhem_laptop, no worries, thanks for that. This is what I was thinking of as well. Jyhem_, I've got one more question and am unsure how to formulate it in English, would you agree with a private message in FR ?	[00:34]
Jyhem_laptop	olinuxx: what I mean but "customer data" is it's your decision to figure out how much back in time you want syslog info s/but/by/	[00:35]
olinuxx	ok, got that	[00:35]
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mattbmc	It has been a while, but perhaps something with Ubuntu's treatment of SMTP "out of the box" has changed. E.g. Email notifications or user account verifications never work "out of the box" on any installation of TikiWiki I've ever installed - even the most recent on Godaddy. Some host mods are always required...I'm just not that familiar with which ones. I even gifted someone from this channel with something from their Amazon wish l ist once for helping me set up a new instance. That was a long time ago tho! Can anyone recommend an installation guide (whenther TikiWiki-oriented or not) that includes essential SMTP and SSL setup? And I guess I may as well solicit on the platform as well....is there another platform aside from Ubuntu that would be a better option?	[00:54]
Jyhem_laptop	I usually follow the "perfect server" docs except I skip what I don't need and I don't open mysql access from outside the server	[00:58]
mattbmc	(I always assumed SMTP was somehow disabled by default to eliminate accidental open SMTP relays...or something along those lines.)	[00:58]
Jyhem_laptop	mattbmc: example: https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/perfect-server-ubuntu-15.04-with-apache-php-myqsl-pureftpd-bind-postfix-doveot-and-ispconfig/ Just google ubuntu perfect server with the relevant version number of ubuntu They do isnatall postfix as part of the process	[00:58]
mattbmc	Hm. Will definitely peruse that link.	[01:00]
Jyhem_laptop	But then you get ISPConfig as well which you may or may not like	[01:00]
mattbmc	Looking for low-drag, easy to install, easy to maintain...I am not a sysadmin and this is a hobby-level effort. That said, I may be willing to pay someone a one-shot for doing a complete install....if I had an idea how much that would cost. ...I should have said....I have been my own sysadmin in the past....I am not (nor do I really want to be) anymore. :) :) Less time for Googling now than ever...	[01:01]
Jyhem_laptop	i have found it takes me at least one full day for a dedicated server install with ISPConfig	[01:03]
mattbmc	Any hosting provider that would come with a hearty recommendation for taking care of installation issues like I've desribed? I'm open to hosting at home or remote at thist stage.... Ya....that's approx my recollection from the Tiki 1.7+ days....I'm a full time Dad now, so things have changed a lot since then. ;) :)	[01:03]
Jyhem_laptop	The Tiki part is not the long part :-( It's all the rest, deciding wether you want ftp, jails, etc	[01:05]
mattbmc	Also need email hosting if that affects or precipitates any suggestions for a hosting provider. :) Exactly....host config.... Tiki is super easy once that's all done. :) Back later... thanks for everything so far!!!!	[01:05]
Jyhem_laptop	email hosting is always a bit scary to me :-( where do you live ? I essentially know hosting providers in france	[01:06]
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Tiki\|bot	Recent Bug: - http://dev.tiki.org/item5732	[11:18]
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	polom polom Sorry to have missed you mattbmc, welcome back (in case you read the log), hope you can make it back later, keep trying - irc seems very quiet often these days...	[12:56]
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Jyhem_	polom	[14:36]
Jyhem	hi jonnyb	[14:37]
jonnyb	hi Jyhem - how goes?	[14:38]
Jyhem	skyping	[14:39]
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chibaguy	hi jonnyb and all	[15:14]
jonnyb	hi chibaguy	[15:14]
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Tiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: Menu Bar Growing ! - https://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=57403 New Forum Posts: RoundTable 15/10/2015 - https://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=57393 New Forum Posts: square bracket in the title? - https://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=57391	[15:33]
	New Forum Posts: Menu Bar Growing ! - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=57403 New Forum Posts: RoundTable 15/10/2015 - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=57393 New Forum Posts: square bracket in the title? - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=57391	[15:43]
deeku	joined #tikiwiki hi - I just upgraded a tiki 9.10 site to tiki 14. Problem is that when I try and connect through https, tiki rewrites the URL using port 80 instead of 443 and I get an error with the tiki generated URL https://www.domain.com:80/HomePage I have already checked the HTTPS port settings in the control panel \| Login and it keeps showing 80, even when I overwrite it. The database shows a null value in Tiki_preferences table. Note that just https://www.domain.com produces the error described above. If I enter a valid page directly in the browser,e.g. https://www.domain.com/Contact+us then it works perfectly. Please let me know how I can resolve this issue.	[15:45]
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Tiki\|bot	Recent Bug: - http://dev.tiki.org/item5733	[16:09]
Jyhem	deeku: do you have some set up a Tiki HomePage? Maybe a full HomePage URL which includes http:// or :80?	[16:18]
deeku	yes, the actual URL is https://www.calport.com so you can test it online. Thanks.	[16:31]
	as you can see, the link / URL is just https://www.calport.com but tiki changes it to https://www.calport.com:80/HomePage	[16:38]
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Jyhem	deeku: yes, it is exactly like you described. So what is the Tiki HomePage config like?	[16:58]
Tiki\|bot	Recent Bug: - http://dev.tiki.org/item5734	[17:01]
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deeku	checking, Jyhem... thanks for your help	[17:16]
	in ControlPanel \| Wiki,I have Wiki Home page set to HomePage. If you want the value of other config parameters, just let me know	[17:21]
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jonnyb	hi mattbmc - saw your message from early this morning (my time) - welcome back to tiki! :) and hi deeku too	[18:11]
deeku	hi jonnyb!	[18:12]
Jyhem	Sorry deeku, I have a couple more things to do and then I need to run out. I can't remember off-hand where the homepage is set	[18:15]
jonnyb	deeku: you probably need to change the ssl setting on admin/login like "Use HTTPS login" and "Protect all sessions with HTTPS"	[18:15]
deeku	Thanks Jyhem. Yes, jonnyb, done that but no joy.	[18:16]
jonnyb	is your .htaccess up to date - it changed a lot between 9 and 14	[18:17]
deeku	I am trying protect all sessions; was resisting for fear of being locked out but no that you are here, I will be bold. I am using the newest htaccess, no problem there.	[18:17]
jonnyb	if you can still get to the database you can remove that pref	[18:18]
deeku	yes, I can	[18:18]
jonnyb	usually it's the other way round - tiki makes the port 443 when you need it to be 80 in my experience	[18:19]
Jyhem	Jyhem was wondering if :80 was hard-coded in the homepage setting	[18:19]
jonnyb	yes, seems odd the admin pages work ok (if i understood the situation correctly)	[18:21]
Jyhem	everything works except redirects to the homepage but "Protect all sessions with HTTPS" sounds very good, too	[18:22]
deeku	the homepage setting in database or controlpanel? "Protect all sessions with HTTPS" was enabled,but no joy	[18:23]
	Directly edited the database,set https_login to required, http_port to 443. Cleared cache. Still no joy.	[18:34]
	If I can do anything to .htaccess to work around this, please guide.	[18:41]
jonnyb	sounds weird deeku - do you have any modifications to the site? like custom theme stuff?	[18:41]
deeku	no, though I did upgrade directly from 9.10 to 14	[18:42]
jonnyb	if you go to pages other than the home page like https://example.com/my+other+page does it still revert to port 80?	[18:43]
deeku	No, actually all other pages work perfectly - https://www.calport.com/Mobile+Website for example	[18:44]
jonnyb	i see - bizarre indeed, it tries to go to https://www.calport.com:80/HomePage so https and port 80 it has to be a setting somewhere if it's not a customised index.php or something	[18:45]
deeku	i checked index.php - it is the bare bones, out of the box, version	[18:46]
jonnyb	any multidomain perpspectives trickery going on?	[18:47]
deeku	no	[18:47]
jonnyb	how about admin/general/navigation "Homepage URL" setting? (and some other near there)?	[18:48]
deeku	checking jonnyb - thanks very much for racking your brains on this.	[18:49]
jonnyb	:) sometimes i end up looking in admin/profiles/export which will show you all the modified prefs and you could then search for "80" in there?	[18:49]
fabricius	polom anynews there?	[18:53]
jonnyb	polom fabricius	[18:54]
fabricius	I likely cannot make it tomorrow, cause I have a phone conference in the association and I have to attend will write it to the list anyway	[18:54]
jonnyb	ah shame ok, would have been a good opportunity to talk about fosdem brb b	[18:54]
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jonnyb	well that's odd deeku - now my localhost is playing up on it's home page... wonder if it's connected? (seems unlikely)	[19:07]
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deeku	and I seem to have made some progress	[19:07]
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deeku	in .htaccess icommented out DirectoryIndex index.php and uncommented DirectoryIndex tiki-index.php index.php. The problem with the port 80 redirect is solved.	[19:09]
jonnyb	hmm, i tihnk something's gone a bit wrong with the tikiIndex pref for me	[19:09]
deeku	However, I now land on tiki-index.php which thrown an error instead of displaying HomePage	[19:10]
jonnyb	all index.php does is redirect to $prefs['tikiIndex'] which for me is now empty	[19:10]
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deeku	so amazingly index.php shows HomePage but tiki-index.php throws an error! see https://www.calport.com/index.php - this works fine but https://www.calport.com/tiki-index.php does not	[19:11]
jonnyb	it's the pref labelled "Use Tiki feature as homepage" and somehow i'd managed to clear that out there must be a bug in there i get "You do not have permission to view this page." on tiki-index.php	[19:13]
deeku	yes even when logged in as admin	[19:13]
jonnyb	wheras https://www.calport.com/tiki-index.php?page=HomePage works fine so it must be something to do with the home page prefs	[19:14]
deeku	ok, checking. hmm. the only option I get for "Wiki home page" is --. Is that odd?	[19:15]
	You were spot on, jonnyb. I reset the Wiki home page setting and all is well now. The home page shows as it should. Many thanks Jyhem and jonnyb.	[19:23]
jonnyb	hmm, so souns like something went wrong in the upgrade any chance you could add a short note somewhere on doc.tiki.org? maybe on the tiki14 upgrade page?	[19:24]
deeku	Absolutely, doing it right now.	[19:25]
jonnyb	thanks deeku - glad we could help (and all help each other ;) )	[19:36]
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jonnyb	moloq gezza	[19:49]
gezza	hi jonnyb i am having trouble with composer seems like some packages that are used by the new file uploader does not appear at composer.tiki.org	[19:50]
jonnyb	oh - oops, did i miss someting out?	[19:51]
gezza	i cant make local update, composer is complaining	[19:51]
jonnyb	although it works on another test server on trunk you dud setup.sh? dud/did	[19:51]
gezza	nope, i dont usually, let me check	[19:53]
jonnyb	usually it's best to use "sh doc/devtools/svnup.sh" which does composer and the database and perms all for you however, i don't see the extra packages on https://composer.tiki.org i was expecting, so maybe something went wrong	[19:54]
gezza	it is complaining about blueimp/javascript-load-image and blueimp/javascript-canvas-to-blob i dont see these at composer.tiki.org	[19:55]
jonnyb	yes, they don't seem to be there most odd - i've definitely seen it working on someone else server :)	[19:56]
gezza	update 11 days ago i reemember updates stopped before	[19:56]
jonnyb	Jyhem: you about? :)	[19:56]
gezza	last time it was some typo I made in satis.json i beleive	[19:57]
jonnyb	i changed the case of javascript-load-image (to lower) - wonder if it didn't like that	[19:57]
gezza	i found: https://irc.tiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2015-05-23,Sat&sel=15#l11 it was something with the require section, checking r55508	[19:59]
jonnyb	ah, maybe i forgot to add that bit - doh!	[20:02]
gezza	yes, those two are not added to the "require": { sections	[20:02]
jonnyb	weird - wonder how it worked on my local and the other test then... will add them now	[20:03]
gezza	maybe you copied instead of getting from composer	[20:03]
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gezza	just finished a long contract, getting back to tiki now, want to check this new goodie	[20:05]
jonnyb	ok, have added them now the script should run to update it at 19 mins past the hour	[20:06]
gezza	great, thanks	[20:08]
jonnyb	i look forward to your feedback on it, it's a nice improvement imho ;)	[20:08]
gezza	an it be used by forums and other places where you can upload files?	[20:10]
jonnyb	so far it's only on tiki-upload_file.php but the idea is it should be used wherever filegal files are uploaded forum images are really bad - they're stored in the database which quickly becomes unusable sometimes	[20:10]
gezza	I see step-by-step :)	[20:12]
jonnyb	as i feared gezza (and Jyhem) we do have a problem on https://composer.tiki.org - seems it got stuck on 2015-10-03 and i think it was when i renamed a package - oops	[20:24]
gezza	yes, seems so, it did not get updated	[20:29]
jonnyb	we need someone sysadmin-like to do this stuff: https://dev.tiki.org/composer#To_flush_out_an_incorrect_package_on_composer.tiki.org i think it was blueimp/JavaScript-Load-Image which i renamed to blueimp/javascript-load-image (for consistency, meh!) that's casued the problem (maybe) - it's all witchcraft imho	[20:29]
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	bb, more tomorrow	[21:10]
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