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   arildb: Hi jonnyb
   jonnyb: hi arildb
   arildb: I made a test with non-SEFURL and everything works fine
   <br> However, I agree with you that including initlib in route "doesn't feel right"
   <br> I made the adjustment, because repeated calls to utf8_decode corrupts the string
   jonnyb: hmm, that's odd - i wonder what the difference is?
   <br> yes, that's why i suggested the mb_detect_encoding route
   arildb: mb_detect_encoding doesn't work properly
   jonnyb: ah, ok :(
   arildb: I could run the test, and it answered wrong, causing the same problem
   jonnyb: but also if it could be moved into an IIS only section based on the SAPI if there is a difference?
   <br> hmm, dull
   arildb: yes, that's possible.
   jonnyb: i did see ony test that compared the length of the original string to the utf8 one, and if it was different then you need to encode
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   arildb: On the other hand, utf8_decode could be used. After all route.php comes first, so repeated calls may not be an issue
   jonnyb: actually i think the UN should make this sort of thing some sort of crime - all encoding should be standard!
   arildb: UN?
   jonnyb: or add it to the Geneva Convention of something
   <br> United Nations?
   arildb: lol
   <br> yes, have a political decision...tht would solve it ;-)
   -: jonnyb was kidding
   arildb: I will try to rewrite it, to get rid of the initlib inclusion and only check for IIS
   jonnyb: di d you try mb_detect_encoding in strict mode?
   <br> a comment on php.net says it's useless without that
   arildb: utf8_encode should be ok, since route.php comes first
   jonnyb: thanks, why are these things so hard!?
   arildb: mb_detect_encoding ansswers wrong. I made a few tests
   jonnyb: is there not a case where utf8 encoding something already urf8 causes corruption? there certainly is with most kinds of encoding
   arildb: calling utf8_encode repeatedly will corrupt the string
   jonnyb: even with strict set to true? seems odd, this post says it helps http://php.net/manual/en/function.mb-detect-encoding.php#102510
   <br> anyway, i'll leave you to it - i guess we both have other things to do :)
   arildb: will do some more tests, with strict
   jonnyb: :)
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   arildb: mb-detect-encoding with strict works well. Just committed. Dependency to initlib.php removed from route.php
   <br> <u>jonnyb</u>: I hope the fix is OK now
   jonnyb: woo hoo! Thanks arildb, will have a look later
   arildb: :)
   jonnyb: hey amette and amette_, i'm adding some session stuff to tiki-check.php and want to fix the "bad" rating for memory_limit == -1 (unlimited) and change it to just "ugly" and was going to add this text as an explanation - does it look ok?
   <br> "Your memory_limit is unlimited. This may casue problems on your server and should be used for testing and development only."
   <br> and/or Jyhem if you're about :) (hi!)
   amette_: hi jonnyb :)
   jonnyb: i'm guessing on a real site giving php all the memory would kill it?
   amette_: smart ass mode on - it is "cause" problems, not "casue" - smart ass mode off - looks good to me, maybe a bit more detail which kind of problems would be good?
   <br> it doesn't necessarily have to kill the server, but if a script is buggy it can eat up all the memory...
   jonnyb: thanks for the typo spot - any examples and info welcome
   amette_: ... so memory_limit is a safeguard against buggy/runaway scripts so to say.
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   amette_: Or it could be a good script, but people trying to DoS you by giving it insane amounts of data to process maybe.
   jonnyb: needs to be a one-liner really - i could give them your phone number :D
   amette_: LOL :P
   <br> I was just thinking... we don't have any real explanation on the max_execution_time either, right?
   jonnyb: changed it to: This may cause problems on a production server...
   amette_: sounds good :)
   jonnyb: my one says: "Your max_execution_time is unlimited. This is not necessarily bad, but it's a good idea to limit this time on productions servers in order to eliminate unexpectedly long running scripts."
   <br> (localhost)
   amette_: Well, someone wrote quite a good explanation there, eh!? ;)
   jonnyb: yup (wasn't me ;) )
   <br> so how about
   amette_: however good that guy was, he does typos, too: "productionS servers" *g*
   jonnyb: Your memory_limit is unlimited. This is not necessarily bad, but it's a good idea to limit this on productions servers in order to eliminate unexpectedly greedy scripts.
   amette_: Very good, I was just trying to suggest somthing similar, but couldn't come up with a proper adjective...
   <br> ... I like "greedy"! :)
   jonnyb: Not very technical but...
   amette_: Well, I'd say those explanations shouldn't be overly technical... they are for the layman to understand the issues.
   jonnyb: was thinking of naughty too, but i think greedy is ok
   amette_: yep, greedy is more to the point
   jonnyb: ok, moving on...
   amette_: :)
   jonnyb: thanks :)
   amette_: yw, thanks for the improvement :)
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   jonnyb: hi gezza
   amette_: moloq gezza
   gezza: jonnyb, when are you doing 14.1?
   jonnyb: hi gezza - thursday afternoon by the look of it
   gezza: oh, thanksgiving
   <br> can test only the package when it is ready
   jonnyb: oh yes, so it is! :)
   <br> yes, basically that's the last step of the release script, making the tarballs
   gezza: i will update my site when it is available, but dont think there will be much trouble
   jonnyb: it usually works these day so testing can go on for a few days (for ever ;) )
   gezza: zf2 update seems promising
   <br> i mean did not notice anything yet on my local test
   jonnyb: yes, looks ok so far
   <br> same
   gezza: so it will be merged back after 14.1 is out?
   jonnyb: that's the plan
   <br> and we'll stop doing the auto-merging, so officially all eyes on trunk for tiki 15 :)
   gezza: great, I've been working on an optional way to integrate with transifex, will commit after that
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