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[14:49] amette_ polo,
[14:49] amette_ polom even *g*
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[16:30] Jyhem polom
[16:38] amette_ moloq Jyhem :)
[16:45] Jyhem hi amette_
[16:46] * Jyhem found a useless file: lib/prefs/show.php :-(
[16:47] Jyhem Thre's only one pref in there and it belongs to lib/prefs/lang.php
[16:47] * Jyhem wonders if this is for Tiki15... probably not
[16:48] * amette_ doesn't know about lib/prefs/ at all
[16:49] jonnyb pompom
[16:51] Jyhem hi jonnyb :)
[16:51] amette_ heya jonnyb :)
[16:51] jonnyb renaming prefs is a pain, and certainly not a fix, but there are quite a few that could be reorganised to make more sense (before the prefs revamp in 2 or 3 is was all in one file and completely random what each one got called, hence things like show_available_translations insteal of lang_show_available_translations)
[16:51] jonnyb hi all
[16:52] Jyhem agreed. moving it would be easy. Renaming... not much point :-(
[16:54] Jyhem Was there a discussion about the translation icon vs the old translation drop-down? (I mean the one in the topline, not the module)
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[17:11] amette_ Why is there a column tiki_trackers.items ?! I'm not really expecting an answer, since that's probably a matter of taste... but imho that's bad design. It's way too easy to get out of sync with the real item count due to bugs in the code. :-|
[17:14] Jyhem 10 years ago, there was a lot of denormalisation going on, for the purpose of avoiding SQL joins. So this must have allowed to display the list of trackers with items numbers with a single query.
[17:15] luciash polom
[17:15] amette_ moloq bro
[17:15] Jyhem hi luciash
[17:15] amette_ Thanks Jyhem! That's actually quite a good answer. It doesn't make the problem go away, but I understand why the problem exists. :)
[17:16] amette_ Avoiding SQL joins was because of performance reasons, I suppose?
[17:17] Jyhem sure
[17:17] amette_ k, thnx
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[17:19] Jyhem the old tradeoffs between normalization (data integrity) or denormalization (performance)
[17:21] amette_ Sad, but "makes sense". I just noticed it, when a CSV-import failed and my item count was much higher than the actual items.
[17:21] amette_ I'd prefer the data integrity, but well....
[17:22] * amette_ wonders if maybe Tiki only has some dozen bugs and not thousands as mentioned on dev.tiki.org :P
[17:30] jonnyb :D
[17:32] Tiki-KGB 03jyhem r57534 10branches/15.x/lib/prefs/show.php * [ENH] Provide missing description
[17:49] Jyhem adding a label is ok for 15, I guess (it's like doing a translation) :)
[17:54] amette_ Yep, I agree... so the file is not useless after all?
[17:57] Jyhem It is, but removing the file would mean renaming the pref. And that's just asking for useless trouble.
[17:58] Jyhem There's already a pending question about wether to rename blog_sharethis_publisher and article_sharethis_publisher to sharethis_publisher (clean solution) or just use blog_sharethis_publisher everywhere (safer).
[17:59] Jyhem which was not answered
[17:59] Jyhem yet
[17:59] amette_ I really don't seem to get that lib/prefs/ thing... :-|
[17:59] Jyhem it's a multi-step process
[18:00] amette_ Regarding that question... I think it might make sense to have different sharethis_publishers for different features... but then on the other hand maybe the use-cases in which it makes sense could/should be handled via perspectives.
[18:02] Jyhem find the proper file for new pref → Name it accordingly → create it → Insert it in admin templates (so people can set it) → use it in php/templates
[18:02] amette_ Ok, I think I roughly understand - couldn't do it, but I think I get the idea.
[18:03] Jyhem having different sharethis_publishers ? ShareThis disagrees with you: «The Publisher Key uniquely identifies a publisher and should be used across all the products and domains used by that publisher. Data is tracked and reported back to the publisher in ShareThis analytics. To get separate reports per domain, publishers have to register each domain.»
[18:03] amette_ Yes, I read that in your mail.
[18:04] Jyhem You can only set one publisher per Tiki. Or per perspective
[18:04] amette_ A Tiki could have multiple publishers. Why do Tiki users have to think in the same way as ShareThis? One Domain is one Publisher? Could be that one Team is one publisher and they want to compete against each other and need metrics of their own even though they use the same domain?
[18:05] Jyhem Well, which is the ShareThis js file you include, then?
[18:05] * amette_ doesn't know the details of how it works - that's why he didn't answer to the e-mail
[18:06] Jyhem and right now we could only have competing teams between "blogs team" and "articles team". sounds silly
[18:07] Jyhem See templates/header.tpl
[18:07] amette_ Yep, I also have the feeling that this might be better to handle with only one pref and using perspectives.
[18:07] Jyhem Exactly.
[18:07] amette_ Or modules as jonnyb said.
[18:08] Jyhem Choosing to have a sharethis icon on blogs and not article makes sense. Mixing different publisher keys… i don't get it
[18:09] amette_ I'm just saying that Tiki was never about forcing ones own view on others, but providing the tools to build whatever.
[18:09] Jyhem We can already do whatever we like with custom modules.
[18:09] amette_ well, ok then
[18:10] Jyhem *we*, not many others
[18:10] Jyhem Unless our documentation get much better, or we have videos…
[18:10] amette_ :D
[18:10] amette_ Sad, but true, yep.
[18:13] amette_ But back to the prefs then... after the multi-step process... how does it make lib/prefs/show.php problematic even though it is useless?
[18:15] Jyhem exactly. It is not problematic, just useless. So, no action
[18:16] amette_ See? That's what I don't get! :D
[18:16] amette_ Why can't it be deleted, if it is useless?
[18:19] Jyhem the content needs to be somewhere
[18:19] Jyhem that is, in lib/prefs/lang.php
[18:20] Jyhem *then* it is empty and can be removed
[18:21] amette_ Ah....?! So the contents are not useless, but in the wrong place?
[18:22] Jyhem Yes, misplaced and therefore also misnamed
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[18:22] Jyhem and renaming a pref… you followed jonnyb's point, which I agree on
[18:23] amette_ k, I think I get it now - the first part of the pref-name comes from the file name in lib/prefs/
[18:23] amette_ so moving it to the right file in lib/prefs/ requires changing every occurence of the pref in Tiki's code
[18:24] amette_ so the file is not useless in the sense that it wouldn't be used - it is confusing in the sense that there is no feature "show"
[18:24] Jyhem yes. We could just move it, but everybody would be confused… Or not much more confused than now :/
[18:25] amette_ alright, cool, my confusion just got reduced a bit - cheers, mate! :)
[18:25] jonnyb bye for now, see you later...
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