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[02:18] fabricius polom
[02:21] Jyhem_laptop polom
[02:22] * Jyhem_laptop thinks fabricius: should stop browsing old xkcd strips and sleep :-D
[02:22] fabricius :D
[02:23] fabricius I was not browsing old xkcd strips. I stumbled over http://bobby-tables.com/
[02:24] fabricius a website with the am to help people preventing bobby tables
[02:24] Jyhem_laptop wobbly excuse :-D
[02:24] fabricius at least an excuse
[02:24] fabricius fighting with tiki.org now
[02:25] Jyhem_laptop I'm glad I could narrow down my problem with registration templates files
[02:26] Jyhem_laptop nice show instance and all. This has been holding me for about 2 weeks :-(
[02:26] fabricius ahh well, very good. didn't know that you had problems with registration template files
[02:26] fabricius ohh yes, settng up show instances from scratch is bad
[02:27] fabricius I need to go mre into profiles ... alredy doing minor stuff with it ... and stumbling
[02:27] fabricius but cool feature
[02:28] Jyhem_laptop Well, Robert had them all "revamped" 2 weeks before Tiki12. So I stepped around the issue using wiki pages as templates for spiral
[02:28] Jyhem_laptop Now I have a new site with elaborate registration and fine tuning huge pages in the wiki page editor is just crazy
[02:29] Jyhem_laptop I need a real template file with a real editor and save, reload page, edit, save, reload, etc
[02:30] Jyhem_laptop profiles are complicated but very cool, yes
[02:31] fabricius elaborate registration ... different groups to register with different codes, or what you mean?
[02:31] Jyhem_laptop Anyway, 2:30 looks like a good for calling it a day. Good night! :-)
[02:32] Jyhem_laptop no, a lot of user tracker firelds, all different, some with jQuery for drag-drop entering of data, etc
[02:32] Jyhem_laptop so an elaborate template
[02:33] fabricius ok, understand
[02:33] fabricius have a good night and sleep well
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[10:57] jonnyb polom
[11:17] Jyhem polom
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[11:17] jonnyb hi Jyhem
[11:17] Jyhem jonnyb: there are files belonging to root in xavi-9794-5781
[11:18] jonnyb oh? wonder how that happened?
[11:18] Jyhem so... that might explain that it's not updating
[11:18] Jyhem let me svn up
[11:19] jonnyb ok, thanks
[11:20] Jyhem svn up done
[11:20] Jyhem php console.php database:update
[11:21] Jyhem sh setup.sh → f
[11:21] jonnyb thanks, looks good
[11:21] Jyhem should I do composer?
[11:21] jonnyb should i try the svn up from the bug report again? or are there still root files there?
[11:22] jonnyb i guess, why not use the svnup.sh script? does all that in one
[11:22] Jyhem hmm, why not, try that
[11:22] Jyhem no, nothing belonging to root, that's what sh setup.sh → f was for
[11:23] jonnyb :)
[11:23] * Jyhem going to shower, if all's good :)
[11:23] jonnyb thanks, yes, good now
[11:24] jonnyb er, actually no... ;)
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[11:26] jonnyb hi nelsonko
[11:26] jonnyb i think Jyhem updated that instance as well manually, however now it's totally borked, no js files :(
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[11:27] nelsonko jonnyb: you mean that particular instance?
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[11:27] jonnyb yes, http://xavi-9794-5781.show.tikiwiki.org
[11:34] nelsonko probably composer failed
[11:34] nelsonko let me run that server side
[11:34] jonnyb not sure Jyhem did the composer part
[11:35] nelsonko ok done - looks good now
[11:35] jonnyb i was wondering why he didn't use sh doc/devtools/svnup.sh
[11:35] nelsonko let me try the svn update button
[11:35] jonnyb super, thanks
[11:36] jonnyb pleasingly, the tour now works on http://xavi-9794-5781.show.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Tour3 *(which is what i was wanting to double check ;) )
[11:36] jonnyb because i've asked the developers if they can tag a release of it for us (we're using their dev-master so far)
[11:40] nelsonko I see the gateway timed out too
[11:41] nelsonko let me try a different bug
[11:42] jonnyb Jyhem said that instance had files owned by root in it, which might have been a clue but he ran setup[f] but it's still not working
[11:43] nelsonko why is dev so slow?
[11:43] nelsonko server load does not look that bad...
[11:44] jonnyb it's been this slow for months
[11:45] nelsonko it's especially slow today
[11:45] jonnyb i was hoping 15.x would help, with the better conrol on the stats logging but no
[11:45] nelsonko it's going to take some serious profiling one of these days
[11:46] jonnyb the odd thing is that my tikis seems to run nicely these days, so i think there's something about doc and dev that's killing poerformance there
[11:48] nelsonko the other bug works
[11:48] nelsonko even though kind of slow (but comparable to loading new page)
[11:48] nelsonko some profiling will get to the bottom of it
[11:49] nelsonko last year we did some profiling and performance testing on one of our other sites, took the entire team pretty much the week to identify and attack
[11:49] nelsonko but the funny thing is that on a regular tracker page it should not be an issue
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[11:50] nelsonko most of the problems we found was search queries returning too much data related
[11:50] jonnyb for me it's mainly saving things that seems to take so long
[11:50] nelsonko I thought the saving was tracked down to the logging?
[11:50] jonnyb which is why i was suspecting the elasticsearch maybe, but amette moved that to be local at the last tikifest, didn't he?
[11:51] nelsonko it is a local elastic search now
[11:51] jonnyb it's still slow, and stats is now off (i believe)
[11:51] nelsonko I thought someone turned on stats again.
[11:51] jonnyb it might be an issue with the size of some of the tables, like the logs
[11:52] jonnyb that was action log, stats recodring is what had been hard-wired to be on until 15, so that should now be off
[11:52] nelsonko I remember an issue with log size table on one of the tiki.org sites years ago
[11:52] jonnyb but we should keep action log going to keep out spammers etc
[11:52] jonnyb we need an archive feature for them
[11:53] nelsonko actionlog is on...
[11:53] jonnyb (mainly just a big sql statement to output to a csv and delete old ones)
[11:53] nelsonko that's what I did the last time I remember
[11:53] nelsonko it wasn't even to a csv
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[12:02] nelsonko alright. fixed the gateway timed out
[12:02] nelsonko it was the file owner
[12:03] nelsonko Jyhem must have gone with the setup.sh default of www-data
[12:03] nelsonko but that's not right on show
[12:03] nelsonko (because that's the web server duh)
[12:03] nelsonko it should be the user connecting from dev
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[12:04] nelsonko But jonnyb, the user feedback is still annoying because it appears after such a long delay
[12:04] nelsonko (it's my crappy js code)
[12:05] jonnyb yes, i see in the js in the field tpl that there are supposed to be divs displayed telling the user what's going on, but these happen when the ajax call has completed, rather than starting
[12:05] jonnyb if i can get a test to run (even a bit) locally i'll look at it
[12:05] nelsonko do you have access to the server?
[12:06] nelsonko or to dev at least
[12:06] jonnyb no, i'll work locally - safer that way ;)
[12:06] nelsonko ok - but d you have a show instance?
[12:06] jonnyb sorry, meetings now, more later i hope...
[12:06] nelsonko I mean you need a valid key to access
[12:06] jonnyb i think i can fake it eound locally to pretend
[12:06] nelsonko anyway - I need to go to, need to get to airport soon
[12:07] jonnyb ok, bon voyage and thanks :)
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[12:08] Jyhem_laptop back
[12:10] nelsonko Jyhem_laptop: I fixed that particular bug svn update issue - it's all in the irc log
[12:12] nelsonko gtg now - talk later. cheers
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[12:26] Tiki-KGB [bp/r57834][bp/r57682][FIX] search: Add basic field weighting for mysql search results.
[12:26] Tiki-KGB Seems to only work on title and contents fields, but is better than nothing hopefully?
[12:26] Tiki-KGB Should address wish5822 at least a bit (thanks BSfez)
[12:34] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r57888 10(5 files in 4 dirs)
[12:34] Tiki-KGB [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/15.x 57882 to 57886
[12:34] Tiki-KGB Conflict on composer.lock resolved by re-running "php temp/composer.phar update"
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[12:55] chibaguy polom
[12:55] jonnyb pompom chibaguy
[12:55] chibaguy hello jonnyb
[12:55] jonnyb we managed to get that show instance with the tour tests on updated, all working ok now :)
[12:56] chibaguy Oh, ok. Great.
[12:56] jonnyb even though i'm not 100% sure how or why ;)
[12:56] jonnyb http://xavi-9794-5781.show.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Tour3 when not logged in wasn't showing the tour, but is now
[12:57] chibaguy Well, results are all that matter ;-) .
[12:57] jonnyb hmmm
[12:58] chibaguy Yes, it works for me, not logged in.
[12:59] jonnyb so hopefully they will do a release bafore we need to release 15.0... (i did copy you on the email i sent yesterday, didn't i?)
[13:02] chibaguy yes, thanks.
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[13:14] GuilhermeBCM Hello from Brazil! (ok not that happy, we are trying to survive with this corrupt and expensive state. At least millions are fighting for it. :-) )
[13:15] GuilhermeBCM anyway, I am here for tiki, and I need some help after upgrading my blog and kennel site.
[13:15] jonnyb hi GuilhermeBCM, welcome!
[13:16] GuilhermeBCM After upgrading from 11 to 14, everything looks good except menus. The "drop-down" is not working and I guess this is related to my server setup. I have migrated it too.
[13:17] GuilhermeBCM hello jonnyb!
[13:17] jonnyb how did you install?
[13:18] GuilhermeBCM I use a NGINX reverse-proxy to a NGINX webserver with php--fpm. All on Debian Jessie, but the reverse-proxy was compiled from source, but I guess it is not playing a significant role here.
[13:19] jonnyb i mean from svn or ftp?
[13:20] GuilhermeBCM well, if you mean Tiki I have downloaded the official release. Nginx reverse-proxy also a release. Nothing from development channels, only regular releases.
[13:22] jonnyb ok, so you should have all the vendor files there (sometimes composer can have problem but that's only if you use svn to install, which we do quite often)
[13:22] jonnyb is it a public site? can you pm me the url and i'll have a look?
[13:24] GuilhermeBCM of course! My alread moved blog is "http://gbcm.me" and my not moved Kennel site is http://grosserbach.com.br
[13:25] jonnyb so which menu is the problem?
[13:25] GuilhermeBCM If you set grosserbach.com.br and www.grosserbach.com.br to 167.114.64.32 you will se my upgraded site.
[13:26] jonnyb i'm on http://gbcm.me
[13:26] jonnyb the little menus on the blog actions seem to work ok
[13:27] GuilhermeBCM sorry I forgot the menus are not set to anonymous. Can we move to grosserbach.com.br?
[13:28] jonnyb sorry, need to go, not hacking my hosts file just now
[13:29] GuilhermeBCM in the topbar you will see I have the menu set with Level0 and Level1
[13:29] jonnyb do you see any javascript errors in the colsole? (firebug etc)
[13:29] GuilhermeBCM I did not check it. I will try now.
[13:29] jonnyb i'm hoping you flushed all the tiki caches?
[13:30] GuilhermeBCM yes, all cache flushed
[13:31] GuilhermeBCM i have tried bootstrap theme also, setting other themes. I have discarded the browser because Tiki project sites loads perfectly
[13:33] GuilhermeBCM Well, console shows "unreachable code after return statement" on every page. On tiki.org this not happen.
[13:34] jonnyb can you get it to break on an exception and see what's causing it?
[13:36] jonnyb mind you  "unreachable code after return statement" just sounds like a warning not a bad error
[13:42] GuilhermeBCM Yes, I agree. I was trying to add a menu on my blog but it is not showing up. Also when I click on "enable css" checkbok when editing the menu it does nothing. I am almost sure this is something around my nginx config.
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[13:53] jonnyb GuilhermeBCM: i have to go soon, but if you can set up a test i can see (easily) i'll try and have a look later
[13:53] jonnyb repolom Jyhem_laptop
[13:57] Jyhem_laptop jonnyb: sorry for the failed upgrade. glad nelson fixed it
[13:58] jonnyb no worries
[13:58] GuilhermeBCM ok, I will try to setup something on my blog and then I will be back here. Thanks!
[13:58] jonnyb the svnup.sh script does it all in one
[13:59] Jyhem_laptop I doubt the svnup script guesses the correct user for the chown -R
[13:59] Jyhem_laptop that's how I got everything in www-data : by leaving the default value
[14:00] Jyhem_laptop at least I had a chance to put the correct value (if I had been more awake/less in a hurry)
[14:01] jonnyb it runs setup.sh in default mode i think
[14:01] Jyhem_laptop yes, it does.
[14:01] Jyhem_laptop and no prompting
[14:02] Jyhem_laptop that doesn't work on ISPConfig either, so I'm used to running them all one after the other
[14:03] jonnyb oh dear, right, i looked a ispconfig long ago and thought it was terrible (i use virtualmin, much better imho)
[14:05] Jyhem_laptop yes, the files belong to web19 and such :)
[14:06] jonnyb ik, nasty
[14:06] jonnyb food time here, back later...
[14:07] Jyhem_laptop you know how it is. "security".
[14:07] Jyhem_laptop bon app�tit
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[15:21] joeblue Hello everybody, I would appreciate if someone could help me with a little issue: I have been looking for hours now but I can't seem to find the entry that lets me create custom templates.
[15:21] joeblue I followed this guide: https://doc.tiki.org/Content+Templates
[15:21] joeblue There it says: To create or edit a content template, follow the "Content templates" link from the admin section of the application menu (called the Settings menu from Tiki14 onwards).
[15:22] joeblue but I cannot find any link like that
[15:23] jonnyb hi joeblue
[15:23] joeblue hi
[15:24] joeblue btw. of course, I am signed in as admin
[15:24] jonnyb you need to enable the feature/s first (it should say that)
[15:24] jonnyb should, but doesn't :(
[15:24] joeblue yes it does
[15:25] joeblue oh no, you're right, but I found that in another guide
[15:25] joeblue but also, I don't have that feature when I check the features for "wiki"
[15:25] jonnyb there's one on the wiki admin panel, and another on articles
[15:26] jonnyb i just searched for content templates and they both came up
[15:26] chibaguy On tiki-admin.php?page=wiki there's a checkbox: Wiki content templates
[15:26] jonnyb that's the one, hi chibaguy
[15:26] chibaguy To activate the feature (anyway, in branch 15 I'm looking at now)
[15:28] joeblue yeah, that's where it should be - in the "general settings" tab but it isn't there
[15:28] joeblue im on 14
[15:28] jonnyb or on text area maybe?
[15:29] joeblue sorry, I'm not sure, what you mean by that
[15:30] chibaguy Maybe you have to select "Advanced" under the filter icon at the page top.
[15:30] joeblue i'll, check
[15:30] jonnyb those preferences should also appear on the textarea admin panel i think (because it's about text editing) - don't worry about it, just thinking out loud
[15:32] joeblue so i go to: settings -> control panels -> wiki -> tab "general preferences" ... that's where you guys have it, right?
[15:33] joeblue omg, thank you
[15:34] joeblue that was it ... it only pops up if you add the advanced options ... i didn't even know these existed
[15:34] jonnyb you can always use the search at the top of the admin pages
[15:34] chibaguy Yeah, that throws me off, too, if it's a new site, etc.
[15:34] chibaguy Or if somebody says they don't see the item.
[15:34] jonnyb yes, it was decided therte were too many options for most people, so we wid most of them :)
[15:34] jonnyb but i think if you search everything shows up
[15:35] joeblue see, that's part of the problem. it doesnt show up in the search results either, if you do not have the advanced options checked
[15:37] jonnyb ah, maybe not - sorry
[15:37] joeblue ok, guys ... thank you many times. i tend to spend hours clicking through everything before i dare to waste someones time. should have asked earlier :)
[15:38] joeblue have a great day!
[15:38] jonnyb thanks, you too :)
[15:38] joeblue i'll spend the rest discovering advanced options, hehehe
[15:39] chibaguy :)
[15:40] chibaguy hey, live dangerously - click "experimental" too. ;-)
[15:40] chibaguy (I'm not sure now what turns up there.)
[15:41] Jyhem_laptop not sure either :)
[15:42] jonnyb i think elFinder is still experimental, probably shouldn't be by now
[15:42] Jyhem_laptop Now that I eventually got this registration template issue documented and in show, I get back to this unfinished blog stuff
[15:43] * Jyhem_laptop is amazed at the number of obscure wysiwyg options
[15:49] Jyhem_laptop So, �Use Wiki syntax in WYSIWYG� actually means �Use WYSIWYG and we store in Wiki syntax�, I realise
[15:51] jonnyb yup
[16:02] Tiki-KGB 03chibaguy r57889 10branches/15.x/templates/ 10(8 files) * [FIX] Use link styling for navigation; Bootstrapifying a form, etc.
[16:04] Tiki-KGB 03chibaguy r57890 10branches/15.x/templates/admin/include_wiki.tpl * [FIX] Use link styling for navigation.
[16:04] fabricius polom
[16:04] chibaguy {button needs a _type="link" . btn-link isn't enough, it seems.
[16:04] fabricius ah nice! chat about WYSIWYG in Tiki
[16:05] jonnyb yes, i found that yesterday chibaguy - someone's been fiddling ;)
[16:05] jonnyb polom fabricius
[16:05] chibaguy Should I change the text "Use Wiki syntax in WYSIWYG" as Jyhem_laptop said?
[16:06] chibaguy Or is it correct as is?
[16:06] chibaguy (I have some text string changes to commit soon.)
[16:07] jonnyb if you can make it read ok in English :P
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[16:07] fabricius hmmmm. Maybe we could make it a bit more descriptive, yes ... thinking how
[16:07] jonnyb something like "pages are stored in wiki syntax" maybe?
[16:07] chibaguy Use Wiki syntax in WYSIWYG sounds like a user input option, not a storage option.
[16:07] fabricius sure, yes indeed
[16:08] chibaguy So the WYSIWYG input is changed to wiki syntax, not HTML, and stored that way? So the page could be edited with the standard wiki editor?
[16:09] chibaguy (later on)
[16:10] fabricius "WYSIWIKI: The WYSIWYG editor (CKE) will store the age data in WIkiSyntax instead of HTML and thus becomes more compatible with the standard WikiSyntax editor, providing the possibility to switch between the editors without parsing errors"
[16:10] fabricius something like that ?
[16:11] fabricius and the page data, not the age data, sorry
[16:11] jonnyb :O
[16:11] jonnyb for the doc page maybe
[16:11] fabricius what do you guys think about the term "WYSIWIKI" ?
[16:11] * jonnyb hates the way tiki is getting buried in help text so you can't make out what the actual controls are
[16:12] fabricius it could be behind a help icon and pop up when click on it on purpose, only when you want to know what it is
[16:13] chibaguy fabricius, I get lost when rendering that acronym in words: What you see is what ...?
[16:13] fabricius should not be burying
[16:13] Jyhem_laptop back
[16:14] chibaguy Seems like there are two schools of thought - one says no need for separate docs - put all info in the ui.
[16:14] fabricius hehe chibaguy sadly it would not really be an akronym - more a shortening of WYSIWYG-WIKI
[16:14] chibaguy That could be confusing :-)
[16:15] jonnyb let's not make up new terms for thing please? makes it harder for everyone to understand
[16:15] Jyhem_laptop Yes, I think the message is coder-centric yet it is displayed to the users...
[16:15] fabricius yes ... I like it, but not everything I liken necessarily makes sense or should be done that way
[16:16] Jyhem_laptop �WYSIWYG editor stores pages in wiki syntax�?
[16:16] fabricius main question I think is, if an explanation, what a preference actually does belongs to the UI or not.
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[16:17] Jyhem_laptop I was about to improve on the blog upgrade script which was reverted, but now I feel it's worth taking some time to check how well it worked before (I feel suspicious)
[16:17] fabricius I can only tell my experience: It saves me time and hussle, when there is a descriptive note modal behind an info or help icon, why not optionally with a link to the docs for more indepth information.
[16:18] Jyhem_laptop If you are provided with a checkbox, you need enough info to understand what the checkbox is about.
[16:19] Jyhem_laptop This particular text indicates the reverse of what the option does
[16:19] fabricius when I go through the assive number of options and have to handle stuff I would no do every day, I am missing awol descriptions ver much, as then I am forced to either test like trial and error what the preference actually does or I have to research the docs, sometimes finding out that they are either outdated or missing aswell
[16:20] fabricius Jyhem_laptop: but isn't that why we discuss a better text?
[16:21] Jyhem_laptop Yes, sorry, I got the feeling we were mixing "fix the text" and "provide more explanation"
[16:22] chibaguy I have to take my dog out now; bbl.
[16:23] fabricius WYSIWYG (CKE) by default stores it's page data in some sort of cluttering HTML. In Tiki you have the option to alternatively let CKE store in clear WikiSyntax, which keeps the page source clean over times, when the page is edited often and by many people. Additionally it makes it possible to switch editor forth and back at any time without braking the content.
[16:23] fabricius happy walk chibaguy
[16:25] Jyhem_laptop fabricius: is that for the doc page or the admin page?
[16:26] fabricius Text:
[16:26] fabricius "WYSIWYG (CKE) by default stores the page source in HTML. With this preference WYSIWYG (CKE) stores the page source in WikiSyntax, thus the page source stays clean over times and it will be possible to switch editor forth and back at any time without braking the content."
[16:27] fabricius this for the tool box modal hint  behind the info icon
[16:28] fabricius and the help icon should get a more-info link to the doc page on doc.t.o, where I am prepared to add an a bit more descritive explanation.
[16:29] Jyhem_laptop ok, understood. +1
[16:29] fabricius I mean, switching the editor between WYSIWYG and WikiSyntax when this option is off should be prohibited for non-admins.
[16:29] jonnyb fabricius: i think there's a pref for that already
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[16:33] fabricius Since this preference offers a robust WYSIWYG storage fully compatible to WikiSyntax (maybe minus extesive nesting of wiki plugins) I more and more love it and dare to offer it by default to users of productive sites.
[16:35] fabricius But NEVER EVER WYSIWYG with HTML storage - too much hussles with over times braking content, sticked together tables etc, which can only fixed in the source of the page and what only advaned users do -- I do not give users WYSIWYG only to force them to fix edits in pure but cluttered HTML
[16:36] fabricius just my experience
[16:38] fabricius who made the WIKI storage working so nicely? I gusee ainly Jonny? So 3 hurrays to Jonny: hurray hurray hurray .. really a great thing now.
[16:38] Jyhem_laptop Welll, I just wanted to make sure and I rolled back to r 57712 (before any blog fixing). The WYSIWYG was already quite broken then :-(
[16:39] jonnyb thanks fabricius - glad you like it, i just helped out :)
[16:39] Jyhem_laptop \o/
[16:42] fabricius no really Jonny, do not underestimate it. I see this an absolute important crucial part of Tiki and maybe one of the needed unique selling points. I was supporting wikiLingo, because CKE/HTL was so disappointing. Sadly wikiLingo turned out to be a no-runner, but the WYSIWYG Wiki storage turned out to be a robust "decendant" that solved the problems we had previously
[16:43] fabricius CKE/HTML
[16:43] fabricius ohh I think I must learn to push my keyboard a bit harder, to not lose character so often when I type
[16:44] fabricius Jyhem_laptop: WYSIWYG is broken on your side?
[16:44] fabricius or with blogs? What's da problem?
[16:45] Jyhem_laptop It's a blog issue
[16:45] fabricius a blog issue?
[16:46] fabricius or an issue related to the WYSIWYG imleentation in blogs?
[16:46] fabricius implementation
[16:46] Jyhem_laptop hmmm, trying to find the bug report
[16:46] Jyhem_laptop https://dev.tiki.org/item5837
[16:47] Jyhem_laptop It's not really a WYSIWYG issue. It's a storage issue and gezza and I found a solution
[16:48] fabricius ok, just read that in the item comments - thx!
[16:49] Jyhem_laptop Then jonny asked if that solution was also good for people using WYSIWYG. So I rolled back some part, pending more investigation
[16:49] fabricius ok
[16:50] fabricius by the way, did anybody realise the increased font-size on t.o and doc.t.o ?
[16:50] Jyhem_laptop Now I have finished finding why I could not set the registration thing, I get back to trying to understand how the WYSIWYG works (I don't use it)
[16:50] jonnyb was this when you have some blog posts made (using wysiwyg) in html and then others made in wiki mode? Any it can't tell the difference?
[16:50] jonnyb yes, i commented on your post fabricius - i think it's too big on the desktop, but just my 2�
[16:51] Jyhem_laptop that issue was without WYSIWYG even active on the website
[16:51] Jyhem_laptop It's my projects site. No wysiwyg
[16:51] jonnyb oh right - weird
[16:51] jonnyb did oyu manage to set up a show instance to show it?
[16:52] Jyhem_laptop jonnyb: talking to me? about blog or about registration?
[16:52] jonnyb no, but yes, the blog html thing :)
[16:54] jonnyb my blog posts look fine on my local, both in wiki page plugin and blog posts list
[16:54] Jyhem_laptop I did, at the time. And Gezza found a fix, which I completed. But that's a fix for new Tikis.
[16:55] Jyhem_laptop there is still the important matter of people ugrading to Tiki15. I want an upgrade script so it's smooth
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[16:56] Jyhem_laptop jonnyb: what's your config? pre r57752? wysiwyg?
[16:57] jonnyb i switch back and forth (you mean wiki vs html modes?)
[16:58] jonnyb probably been on wiki mode for a while
[16:58] Jyhem_laptop and do you actually display characters such as  < > & ?
[16:58] fabricius no jonnyb, forth and back between WYSIWYG-Wiki and WiKI editor
[16:59] Jyhem_laptop you use wiki storage, I assume :)
[16:59] jonnyb it depends what i'm testing
[16:59] jonnyb i use both storages
[16:59] jonnyb but only wiki pages remember properly
[17:00] fabricius jonnyb: I commented back on the blog ... in short: maybe distinguishing between 1.5 to 1.8 depending on media queried viewports)
[17:00] chibaguy back
[17:00] fabricius rehi chibaguy
[17:01] fabricius your dog seems to be quite fast .. or is t a small dog?
[17:01] fabricius it
[17:01] fabricius he / she
[17:01] fabricius (no discrimination of dogs ... a dog is a he or a she aswell)
[17:01] * Jyhem_laptop experimenting with html storage now
[17:03] chibaguy medium-size dog, but quick
[17:03] chibaguy :)
[17:03] chibaguy She
[17:04] fabricius chibaguy: I send you a quick reread in query, what I suggested above and Jyhem +1 ed ...
[17:05] chibaguy Ok, thanks.
[17:05] chibaguy BTW, did you increase the font size on doc.t.o? I didn't see any discussion of that.
[17:06] fabricius maybe it could be pointed out better whitch "switch forth and back" is meant
[17:07] fabricius I just tried out yesterday night and posted to the blog which Jonny already commented - was asking a few minutes here if s.b. realised
[17:08] fabricius what do you think about rising the size?
[17:08] fabricius https://tiki.org/tiki-view_blog_post.php?postId=644
[17:09] chibaguy I didn't really think it was too small before, actually. Even on my phone it seemed fine, to tell the truth.
[17:10] chibaguy Although the range between heading size and text size seemed too large, as discussed with Jyhem_laptop.
[17:10] fabricius I agree to the latter.
[17:10] chibaguy Now in firefox I feel the need to adjust the zoom down from 150%. :-) only to find my browser is only at 100% already.
[17:12] chibaguy Text size is a tricky thing. In MS Edge, the default size is quite small compared to Firefox, for example.
[17:13] chibaguy Without adjustment, themes.t.o's font size is close to the size of other popular websites, on my phone, it seems.
[17:19] chibaguy I don't think it's a good idea to change the font size based only on experience with just one device.
[17:21] fabricius Maybe we could increase only a little bit and lower down the  range between heading size and text size - I agree that this seems a too big range
[17:22] fabricius and likely then only a little rise of font-size would have a much bigger effect regarding readablity than  would exect from a little rise ... yes the range between heading and text is massive
[17:24] fabricius and you are right, I agree that (especially permanently or committing) changing the font-size based on only one device / browser / OS is a bad idea ... testing as many as possible is a better idea.
[17:24] chibaguy Torsten, let's please have a discussion of this kind of project site change in advance.
[17:24] fabricius ok
[17:25] chibaguy Let other people check on their phones and so on, etc.
[17:26] chibaguy If the theme needs a font size change for our sites, then it probably would for other sites as well. Then what about the other themes that have a similar size font?
[17:26] fabricius I reverted for now and will setup a wiki page for it ..
[17:26] chibaguy Many questions follow :-)
[17:26] chibaguy Anyway, I have to sleep now, so talk with you later.
[17:27] fabricius but the feedback of you and Jonny was interesting for me anyway
[17:27] jonnyb nite nite chibaguy
[17:27] chibaguy Sure, it's a valid issue that you brought up.
[17:27] chibaguy g'nite all.
[17:33] Jyhem_laptop Tests conclusion: the storage type (wysiwyg_htmltowiki) is global and this info is not stored with blog posts. What is stored is the "wysiwyg" field which is 'y' when the post was last saved in wysiwyg editor
[17:33] jonnyb wasn't that what i said? (a while ago) - same for articles
[17:34] Jyhem_laptop so, switching wysiwyg_htmltowiki never was a good idea wrt existing blog posts
[17:35] jonnyb at one point we had a very hacky pref that let you leave blog posts and articles in html always, or something (but it got removed and it was a very naughty hack - around tiki 9 time i think)
[17:35] Jyhem_laptop I like to understand exactly what is already broken. So afterwards, I know I did not make things worse by making others better :)
[17:36] Jyhem_laptop anyway, the real conclusion is, my new correct upgrade script should ignore the "wysiwyg" post field. It should test for the wysiwyg_htmltowiki feature and do nothing if it's on
[17:39] Jyhem_laptop and yes, my findings don't contradict what you said, which I like :)
[17:40] jonnyb sounds about right Jyhem_laptop - good luck :)
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