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[12:43] chibaguy polom
[12:44] jonnyb hi chibaguy
[12:46] xavi_ hi jonnyb and chibaguy
[12:48] jonnyb hi xavi_
[12:51] chibaguy hi jonnyb and xavi_
[12:52] jonnyb Hi Xavi, also looking at https://dev.tiki.org/item5920...
[12:53] jonnyb Interesting idea it could be due to the zend engine - I seem to have "Zend Engine v3.0.0" locally (now on php7)
[12:54] jonnyb but sendmail works on all version of php for me
[12:54] xavi_ I switched back to php 5.6 on an upgraded Ubuntu 16.04
[12:54] jonnyb and it works now? (on ZE 2.6?)
[12:54] xavi_ and no sendmail nor smtp sending
[12:55] jonnyb by the way, when it doesn't work (testing using admin/general page) does it work ok in the test in the installer?
[12:55] xavi_ on that upgraded laptop. reproduced in another upgraded laptop to ubuntu 16.06
[12:55] xavi_ didn't try. I'll try right now
[12:55] jonnyb my client with this issue finds the installer one works ok, but not the admin/general or other notifications
[12:57] xavi_ nope, but at least the installer provides hints... check sendmail_path in php.ini, etc.
[12:57] xavi_ I'll check that
[12:57] jonnyb somewhat grasping at straws, this bug might be related https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=65590
[12:58] jonnyb it suggests disabling opcache.fast_shutdown in php.ini - might be worth trying?
[13:00] xavi_ mmmm, weird, in my case, it seems I didn't have sendmail
[13:00] xavi_ but using smtp seemed to fail also for me
[13:00] jonnyb well that would slow it down a bit :)
[13:03] luciash polom
[13:03] jonnyb polom luciash
[13:04] luciash jonnyb: I use md- because I saw sometimes the desktop layout did not fit even on some laptops with 1024px resolution, but maybe you are right that sm- is better... I will try from now on ;)
[13:05] luciash jonnyb: I agree that specifying sm or md would be more flexible in the plugin alias too
[13:06] jonnyb sometimes i've seen both used on the same layout to have different breakpoints / column layouts for different screens
[13:06] luciash yep
[13:07] luciash that would require some trickery
[13:11] chibaguy I don't know your context, but a while back I was thinking that maybe layouts should be using sm- more and md- not so much.
[13:11] luciash I guess adding them all and then having empty values for not needed ones could work too (should not hurt having xs- sm-3 md-6 lg- e.g.)
[13:12] luciash chibaguy: yep, that is what jonny suggested to me
[13:12] luciash chibaguy: I was using md- all the time
[13:12] luciash lunch time, bbl
[13:12] chibaguy But Bootstrap grid examples shows md- in the basic layout. I think that's the influence on me.
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[13:14] jonnyb for me i usually find sm is better for simple 2 or 3 column layouts as those work fine on my tablet, and using md means the tablet view looks all weird and fullwidth on everything
[13:15] chibaguy Yeah, IIRC that was my impression too. BTW, Bootstrap 4 adds another breakpoint, but I don't recall where exactly.
[13:15] jonnyb hmmm, interesting...
[13:16] chibaguy Extra small
[13:16] chibaguy <544px 	Small
[13:16] chibaguy ≥544px 	Medium
[13:16] chibaguy ≥768px 	Large
[13:16] chibaguy ≥992px 	Extra large
[13:16] chibaguy ≥1200px
[13:17] chibaguy (oops, ratchet each label up one px value)
[13:17] jonnyb thought it looked odd :) is this for BS 4?
[13:17] chibaguy yes
[13:18] chibaguy http://v4-alpha.getbootstrap.com/layout/grid/
[13:20] chibaguy Currently... Extra small devices Phones (<768px) 	Small devices Tablets (≥768px) 	Medium devices Desktops (≥992px) 	Large devices Desktops (≥1200px)
[13:23] chibaguy So the 544px breakpoint is new, looks like. "We’ve added a new grid tier to better target mobile devices"
[13:28] jonnyb i guess some phones are getting such high resolution that < 544px lets you target old phones (like mine ;) )
[13:29] chibaguy :)
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[13:35] jonnyb need to go for a while, bbl
[13:35] jonnyb hi and bye fabricius :)
[13:36] Jyhem polom
[13:36] fabricius wolod
[13:36] chibaguy Hi Jyhem and fabricius
[13:37] fabricius hi chibaguy
[13:37] fabricius and hi Jyhem
[13:39] Jyhem I saw this: [01/05/2016 22:13] <tikizorro> hi Everyone, quick question: what's the reasonable timeframe for the Tiki website admins to accept new user registration? I think mine was sent ~2 weeks ago, no response caught on my radar.
[13:40] Jyhem but I find no "zorro" in tiki.org's user base
[13:44] chibaguy No idea. I wonder if he registered with a different name.
[13:45] chibaguy But I don't really know how the registration process works except that I thought fabricius was manually OKing people.
[13:45] luciash re
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[15:06] jonnyb rere
[15:10] Jyhem hi jonnyb
[15:11] jonnyb hi Jyhem - how are you?
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[15:11] jonnyb ...and polom nelsonko
[15:12] Jyhem chibaguy, luciash: I'm looking at layout options for a customer of mine. It seems the have an option for fixed-width with a fixed value, but no bootstrap-style fixed-width
[15:12] Jyhem jonnyb: having fun making tiki sites nice :)
[15:13] Jyhem s/nice/look nice/
[15:15] jonnyb yes, i was seeing even tiki.org is looking quite handsome now - pages like https://tiki.org/Demo are really quite impressive these days (thanks to chibaguy and gezza)
[15:15] Jyhem http://getbootstrap.com/css/#grid-intro says « Rows must be placed within a .container (fixed-width) or .container-fluid (full-width) for proper alignment and padding. » but we kill this with our tiki_base.css:
[15:15] Jyhem body:not(.fixed_width) .container {
[15:15] Jyhem padding-left: 15px;
[15:15] Jyhem padding-right: 15px;
[15:15] Jyhem width: auto;
[15:15] Jyhem }
[15:16] Jyhem jonnyb: yes, I really enjoy it and I get nice feedback :-D
[15:16] jonnyb tiki-pagehistory.php is so broken though, how can it have got into such a state in 15.x? totally unusable imho
[15:19] Jyhem tiki-pagehistory.php works fine for me
[15:20] chibaguy Jyhem, if you turn off fixed-width, then you get the full-width page. The body:not(.fixed_width) .container is to provide 15px side padding, essentially the same as using a .container-fluid class in place of .container.
[15:21] chibaguy So content doesn't hit the side margins.
[15:21] chibaguy (If I understand your comment.)
[15:22] Jyhem You do understand my comment.
[15:23] chibaguy I'm not sure what the problem is, then.
[15:23] Jyhem My point is, I'd like to reproduce the advertised behaviour of .container without emulating the behaviour of .container-fluid
[15:24] chibaguy Ah, sorry, I have to eat while the noodles are hot. Will be back shortly.
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[15:26] Jyhem Right now, they use centered width: 80% as they did before bootstrap. So obviously when screens become all small, this is a horrible waste of space. I suggested they just center #middle and let bootstrap control the white space in margins
[15:26] Jyhem chibaguy: no hurry. Enjoy your hot noodles :)
[15:27] Jyhem (so japanese :-D )
[15:43] Jyhem chibaguy: I got to reproduce the expected behaviour by setting "fixed width" with an empty "Layout width" value
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[15:45] chibaguy Back. Yep, the noodles get soggy/wet if they sit too long. ;-)
[15:47] chibaguy Jyhem, there are media queries to specify the container width depending on the display size.
[15:48] chibaguy Hmm, I'm not sure I'm understanding or replying appropriately.
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[15:58] Jyhem I guess I'm just wondering why we don't have a choice between .container and .container-fluid instead of twisting .container to behave like .container-fluid
[15:59] Jyhem The more people understand bootstrap, the more people will find our way confusing
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[17:53] chibaguy Jyhem, I think we didn't consider the need to use .container-fluid, at first. Then later we realized we needed the side padding. Then it was easier to make a CSS rule than to add switches in the .tpl files.
[17:54] chibaguy But you have a good point. It's something to re-consider.
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[19:14] Tiki-KGB Revert r49450: [ENH] Unwanted parameters are removed from tiki-pagehistory.php URL($_GET) to avoid long & ugly url  Ref:http://dev.tiki.org/item4943
[19:14] Tiki-KGB While this commit did make the urls shorter it was by using a POST method (sometimes) which means you couldn't share the diff url as requested in the wish item.
[19:14] Tiki-KGB I will find another way to shorten the urls once other bugs are fixed... (thanks marclaporte)
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[19:42] Tiki-KGB [FIX] php7: It seems the $_GET and $_POST arrays get assigned by reference rather than copied now, so make an explicit copy in a new array to prevent the original request vars being modified here (for instance, this was causing tiki-pagehistory.php pagination to fail badly)
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