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[11:32] jonnyb POETS polom
[11:53] amette_ hi jonnyb :)
[11:53] jonnyb hi amette_
[11:53] amette_ What's up with POETS?!
[11:53] jonnyb did you get antywhere with getting doc onto elasticsearch? (will take a while to index i guess!)
[11:54] jonnyb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POETS_day
[11:55] amette_ Oh, sorry, I didn't get around to doing that yet... I am still catching up with all the work that was left undone over the last weeks/months
[11:55] jonnyb no probs, know the feeling
[11:55] amette_ POETS day, got you, nice one, gonna have to remember that! :)
[11:57] amette_ But hey... doc.t.o... isn't it just Tiki configuration?! Now that you discovered the ams-es1?!
[11:58] amette_ Maybe I need to open it up in ams-es1's firewall, but that should be about it, right?
[11:58] jonnyb and i think rebuild the index on the command line first, to check for errors etc
[11:58] amette_ yep, that's true, it might break during the run
[11:59] amette_ Well, let me see, if we can figure that out in half an hour or so...
[12:00] jonnyb thanks :)
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[12:11] xavi hi amette_ and jonnyb
[12:12] amette_ ola xavi :)
[12:12] xavi I'm wondering what the feature "transitions" is about (group and category)
[12:12] xavi :-)
[12:12] amette_ It replaces the Workflow system.
[12:13] amette_ And also staging and review.
[12:13] amette_ It's the Tiki way of doing things... give people a basic framework and allow them to build the real tools from it... ;)
[12:13] xavi yes, I got that generic marketing idea :-), and played with the group transitions, which is nice UI/diagram generated, etc. But in which way it affect the rest of tiki code?
[12:13] xavi I?ll have to look inside the code, (If I understand it)
[12:14] amette_ Hmmm... dunno what you mean about the code..?! In my thinking it more or less affects Tiki objects.
[12:14] amette_ I built a staging and review system with it once and all this system did was affect the categories objects were in...
[12:15] amette_ ... and I used modules in the side bar to allow users to interact with the transitions (which is afaik the only way).
[12:15] amette_ (never used group transitions so far, but seems to be exactly the same... so from the abstract concept I could imagine building a voting system for example..)
[12:17] xavi mmmm
[12:17] xavi so how do you trigger the change in transitions?
[12:18] amette_ Just to be nitpicky and make sure we are talking about the same thing: There is no such thing as a change in transition. Change in Categories/Group == Transition
[12:18] xavi I would expect to have some system to indicate: after X days, trigger this transition. Or Whenever this tracker item value equals (or higher/lower) than this other, trigger the transition. etc.
[12:18] amette_ Ah, nope, I don't think it is connected to cron in any way.
[12:19] xavi the concept of "trigger transition" is there: "Upon trigger, preserve the initial state"
[12:19] amette_ For the staging and review system it is way more straight forward: the transition module shows the possible transitions and users with the right permissions get to "vote" for which transition should be done...
[12:20] xavi for a membership renewal system, it would be useful to have it connected with group expiry, for instance
[12:20] amette_ ... once the "trigger" has been reached (e.g. three votes for moving this from staging to the live site), the transition will fire and move the object to the other category.
[12:20] xavi ah, ok. Module thing... Do you know any example of transition module?
[12:20] xavi maybe in a profile?
[12:20] xavi doc.t.o seem to be just a "stub"
[12:21] * xavi will keep searching
[12:21] amette_ hmm, no, not in the wild... I think I had to build it from scratch, too - not using a profile - but not sure
[12:21] xavi "trigger": is this associated to the "Guards" thing that is shown in the transitions UI?
[12:22] xavi it seems a bit criptic the whole thing
[12:22] amette_ Hmm, not so sure about the terminology any more
[12:24] amette_ But yeah, I think I get what you mean with "tie in to the code"...
[12:24] amette_ ... it really just is the module and yes, I can see how including other "triggers" would be an interesting thing...
[12:24] amette_ ... I can also see how adding them will make the whole thing break in unforeseen ways in the future. :P
[12:26] xavi :-D
[12:34] amette_ dev.t.o is configured to have default boolean operator "OR"?! o.O
[12:36] amette_ I set doc.t.o to be "AND", which makes craptons more sense imho (especially when searching text as on doc).
[12:38] amette_ btw - all major Tiki sites were already opened up in amse-es1's firewall... so, if anyone wants to add any site to that elasticsearch - please go ahead!
[12:43] amette_ Ok, that seemed to work... couple of notices, but nothing dangerous, I think?!
[12:43] amette_ https://zerobin.amette.eu/?be0e1189d2c7fca7#/5wGSF6TqbovWIKaXaY6H3DTseKcelCIoJD/H3QhINU=
[12:43] amette_ jonnyb --^
[12:45] jonnyb re
[12:45] amette_ wb
[12:45] jonnyb nice one, thanks
[12:46] * jonnyb goes to doc to test...
[12:47] jonnyb bit of an odd error message on admin/search: "IndexMissingException[[docto_pref_en] missing] for index /docto_pref_en"
[12:47] jonnyb ah right, that's the admin search index, i'll rebuild that from the gui
[12:47] amette_ Yeah, been wondering that too, just reloaded, but it perseveres even after the rebuild.
[12:48] amette_ oh, k, I see
[12:48] jonnyb yup, that did it, happy now
[12:48] amette_ cool, that makes me happy, too :)
[12:49] jonnyb you set it to use "AND" i see? odd, as "best practice" apparently is to use OR
[12:49] amette_ Why is that?
[12:49] amette_ Feels counterintuitive to me..?!
[12:50] jonnyb i've never really been sure, as for me when i add more search terms it means i want fewer results (so AND is better imho)
[12:50] * amette_ nods
[12:52] amette_ But we should probably have it consistent over tiki.org sites at least... so what should we do?
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[12:53] amette_ Was there any discussion about setting dev.t.o to OR?
[13:07] jonnyb consistnecy would be good imho, on this and on the rememberme setting
[13:15] * amette_ nods
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[20:42] wynkoop So I can not seem to get the php installer to run correctly on freebsd 10.1 from tikiwiki 15.  It always gives me a bunch of debug output and in addition when I input my database credentials it just brings me back to the same page
[20:42] wynkoop Ideas?
[20:42] wynkoop I have verified the database creds from the command line
[20:44] wynkoop php is 5.6 and there are no errors reported and no output if I run the installer from the command line
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[21:04] wynkoop also getting this message: As a security precaution, the Tiki Installer has been disabled. To re-enable the installer:
[21:04] wynkoop but there is no lock in the db dir
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[21:15] NoteOn hi
[21:19] fabricius hello wynkoop and NoteOn - whazup?
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[22:04] wynkoop_ So any ideas on my earlier post?
[22:26] nelsonko wynkoop_ no idea sorry. Normally installer disabled means there is a lock file in the db directory. This is a brand new installation though, right?
[22:26] nelsonko wynkoop_ can you try tiki-check.php from a browser?
[22:28] nelsonko it might also be worth trying https://doc.tiki.org/Manual+Installation
[22:28] nelsonko Sorry, I do not have a freebsd convenient
[22:29] nelsonko once you've manually created your db/local.php file you can just run php console.php database:install
[22:30] nelsonko also, have you run setup.sh to set the file permissions? (but probably you already did)
[22:31] nelsonko Another possibility - maybe there is some "echo" or some other output that is left behind from some debugging...
[22:37] nelsonko wynkoop ^
[22:48] wynkoop_ yes I ran setup.sh  I had to hand create the db/local.php based on info I found on the web
[22:50] wynkoop_ output of tiki-check.php
[22:50] wynkoop_ Not Found  The requested URL /tiki/{$_SERVER['REQUEST_URI']} was not found on this server.
[22:50] wynkoop_ looked at the docs already
[22:50] wynkoop_ BTW both the install page and the check page are dumping tons of php debug output to the browser
[22:53] wynkoop_ just ran php console.php database:install on the command line as www and it returned no output.  Will check site with browser now
[22:55] wynkoop_ no joy..../tiki still displays a blank page and the web based installer still just asks for db creds and goes nowhere
[22:58] wynkoop_ web based installer also is telling me to remove a lock file, but there is none in the db dir
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[23:26] wynkoop_ interesting now chrome is showing me the php sources instead of the server parsing it but firefox shows no change.....very odd
[23:37] wynkoop_ something seems to have stomped on my mod_php.....very odd
[23:52] wynkoop_ Well reinstalled mod_php restarted apache and still no joy