[03:06] IRCFrEAK joined #tikiwiki [03:06] IRCFrEAK left #tikiwiki [06:13] madgoat joined #tikiwiki [06:13] madgoat left #tikiwiki [07:03] mattmmiller joined #tikiwiki [09:00] Padlock joined #tikiwiki [09:01] Padlock Morning everyone ! I'm running my own tiki platform and trying to set things up (particularly trying to create several levels of access), but I can't seem to have access to categories, and be able to create and admin them. I can't even find a menu for that. Any idea ? [09:18] Padlock Found it ! The categories feature was not activated :-/ [09:19] Padlock Just so you know I've applied to contribute in the translation of tiki into french. I'm pending approval ;-) I don't have money to give to the project, but I can help anyway I can. [09:34] Padlock I have one question though related to managing access rights for different groups through categories : let's say category A only grants access to Group A. And category B only grants access to group B. If I assign two categories to an item, say A+B, will both groups have access with their pre-selected permissions on that item ? [09:46] luciash morning [09:47] luciash Padlock: I will check... where did you applied? Transifex? [09:48] Padlock yes :-) [09:48] Padlock I used the same nickname [09:50] luciash Padlock: assigning perms via categories will give perms to the groups you specify, so yes, it will give e.g. edit wiki page perms for both groups [09:52] Padlock Great ! thanks !! [09:56] luciash Padlock: hmm, I do not see your request on Transifex [09:57] luciash ah, now i see it :) strange it is not in notifications [09:58] luciash accepted [09:58] Padlock Ah good. So are you taking me in ? ;-) [10:05] luciash sure :) [10:05] luciash thanks for joining :) [10:40] Padlock can I run by you what I plan to do for our documentation, so you tell me whether it's a valid method ? [10:43] Padlock i'll receive several documentation in a .doc or .pdf format, and they have several chapters. They want me to transfer it in the tiki as wiki pages as well as store the original file. I was planning on creating a structure for each document, with each chapter being a daughter-page, and then applying categories depending on who is supposed to have ccess to that document (sometimes just one type of users, sometimes several types) [10:43] Padlock Is that valid or the use of structures + categories sound redundant to you ? [10:52] luciash Padlock: sorry, was afk... reading [10:53] luciash Padlock: nope, not redundant, categories are needed for the access control - structures cannot assign perms themselves [10:54] Padlock and does using a separate structure for each document sound good ? [10:58] Padlock I'm sorry I seem to be asking an awful lot of questions, I hope i'm not being a pain [10:58] luciash If the documents have several chapters (long), yes, why not... I am just not sure if they need to be in structures at all [10:59] luciash You could also create one wiki page for each document and separate the chapters using ...page... syntax [10:59] luciash Easier to maintain I would say [11:01] luciash Padlock: you're not that bad yet ;) Some people ask whole lotta more and then they are pissed off if nobody replies right away :-p [11:03] Padlock Ah good :-) The thing about structures is that I like them. I like how the documentation on tikiwiki.org uses them (At least I think it uses them) and how they display a small navigation bar with the location of the page you're on. Also, the people I'm doing this for insisted that they don't care if I understand the doc I'm uploading, they just want to have that "browsing through a doc" feel added to it [11:05] luciash yes, that is neat [11:06] Padlock I have another question that's completely unrelated and I'll try to leave you alone for the rest of the day, while I'm testing all this :-) I seem to understand that it could be possible for a user who self-registers to select what sort of profile they'd like to have once connected. How is that possible ? [11:08] Padlock Let's say we have documents that are very technical and some that are only user guides. We will have user that don't care about the technical stuff and only wish to view the userguides, so as not to get swamped in too much info. So I thought I'd give them a choice when they self register [11:08] luciash what you mean by "sort of profile"? [11:09] Padlock And they would be dispatched to one group or another. Both groups have the same permissions, but each points to a different homepage [11:09] luciash ok, that can be done using groups and setting up group homepage for each group iirc [11:10] luciash search for "group homepage" [11:10] luciash to learn more [11:10] Padlock that part I managed. I created two groups with similar permissions, but they have different homepages. One homepage is simplified and will only have links to documents categorized as "userguides" , the other group will get a more complet homepage. [11:12] Padlock What I'm trying to find is how one person who self-registers can get to *choose* to what group they will belong, as I've noticed that when creating a group, there's an option "user can assign himself to the group" [11:14] Padlock Oh, found it. It seems to be a tracker thing. I'll have to read that, because i seem to not quite get a grasp on Trackers (although they seem to be massively used in tiki) [11:16] luciash ah, yep, that is possible you need to use tracker to display additional fields on the registration form for that [11:18] Padlock Oh even simpler ! In the admin panl>login section, you can select which groups can be offered to a user on the self registration page :-) I just tried and it worked :-) [11:18] Padlock luciash, you're a genie :-D [11:20] luciash Padlock: heh, thanks, but you found out yourself! lol [11:25] Padlock Ok, I'm going to try all this now :-) [11:25] Padlock thanks for your great help and have a nice day ! [11:37] Padlock joined #tikiwiki [11:37] Padlock Me again.... I forgot to ask one last thing :-/ [11:38] Padlock where exactly do I set my email server information ? I would really like to demonstrate how one can self register to my colleagues, but I need to have my email server info entered somewhere for the platform to be able to send emails, right ? [11:51] luciash Padlock: general admin panel iirc [11:51] luciash you can use sendmail (PHP mail function) or setup SMTP server info there [11:52] Padlock I need to set SMTP (I don't know how to use PHP), but I can't seem to find it here, in "general". [11:54] luciash you need to change "Mail Sender" [11:55] luciash to "SMTP" [11:55] luciash under the "Mail" section [12:04] Padlock Is the mail section in "general" [12:04] Padlock ? [12:06] Padlock Oh. I needed to toggle the basic display to "advanced" [12:06] Padlock sorry about that [12:06] jonnyb joined #tikiwiki [12:08] jonnyb polomonday [12:10] luciash hi jonnyb [12:10] luciash Padlock: ah, yep [12:10] jonnyb Hi luciash [12:11] luciash jonnyb: all good? [12:11] Padlock I'll look into that. Thank you again luciash !! [12:11] jonnyb not bad ta, but went out last night, so a bit of a slow start today... :P [12:12] jonnyb sf.net svn still seems to be down - do you think they want us to move? ;) [12:14] luciash darn, hard to say :( [12:15] luciash jonnyb: what is ta? (i know you mean thanks but cannot associate the "a" with anything) [12:15] luciash :) [12:16] jonnyb hmmm, just english slang i guess, never really thought about it [12:19] jonnyb possibly Scandinavian influence, seems a bit unlikely (tak -> ta), or just "infantile shortening and alteration" according to dictionary.com, seems more likely [12:19] luciash :D [12:19] luciash ok, makes lot of sense :) [12:19] luciash hmm, no issues on https://twitter.com/sfnet_ops [12:20] luciash should we fill another ticket with sf.net? [12:20] jonnyb ew, so just us i guess? [12:20] jonnyb maybe connected to the csv list problem i wonder? [12:23] luciash jonnyb: i think it must be something else - it started later than the commit notifications [12:24] jonnyb I was wondering if it was connected maybe with chealer's changes to the svn hook thingy (i wasn't really following i'm afraid) [12:26] luciash i will fill a ticket with sf.net [12:26] jonnyb Thanks luciash [12:28] luciash hmm, it seems it is a general issue in the end: https://sourceforge.net/p/forge/site-support/search/?q=%21status%3Afixed+%26%26+%21status%3Awont-fix+%26%26+%21status%3Aclosed+%26%26+%21status%3Aself-service+%26%26+%21status%3Apending+%26%26+%21status%3Ainvalid [12:28] montefuscolo joined #tikiwiki [12:29] luciash lot of tickeds already submitted by others [12:29] jonnyb seemed unlikely that it would be just us, i thought so [12:29] jonnyb polom montefuscolo [12:30] luciash seems nobody reads them :( [12:30] luciash unread unread everywhere [12:30] jonnyb yes, noticed that [12:30] luciash montefuscolo: hi fabio [12:30] jonnyb could you try some twitter magic maybe? That's public so they might take notice [12:32] jonnyb this is a nice one: https://sourceforge.net/p/forge/site-support/14435/ [12:32] luciash good news is at least this one is already assigned: https://sourceforge.net/p/forge/site-support/14412/ [12:34] jonnyb yes, i saw that one - shame it's irrelevant now we can't actually commit any more! ;) [12:35] luciash seems they tried to fix this for us and broke the whole system [12:35] luciash (hope not) [12:36] * luciash praying [12:36] luciash #prayforsfnet [12:36] jonnyb :D [12:38] luciash btw, today I noticed we have no multilingual settings for blogs, is that possible? :-o [12:39] jonnyb coo, seems odd indeed [12:39] luciash this was in latest 14.x ... maybe in 15 or 16? [12:40] jonnyb i think https://svn.code.sf.net is just off - totally [12:40] luciash yep [12:42] luciash interestingly it is still browseable on https://sourceforge.net/p/tikiwiki/code/HEAD/tree/ [12:43] jonnyb think that's just a read-only mirror [12:50] montefuscolo hello!! [12:50] montefuscolo jonnyb, luciash, hello [12:50] jonnyb hi montefuscolo [12:51] montefuscolo :) [13:51] montefuscolo I'm getting connection refused for svn.code.sf.net [13:52] montefuscolo Anyone else with this trouble? [13:56] amette_ polom [13:56] montefuscolo pom pom [13:56] amette_ hi montefuscolo [13:56] montefuscolo hello amette_ ! [13:57] amette_ and regarding svn: see the backlog --^ [13:57] jonnyb moloq amette_ [13:57] amette_ heya jonnyb [13:57] RadoS jonnyb, "thanks anyway". [13:57] jonnyb yes, sf svn is generally broken still (since last week) [13:57] jonnyb RadoS: :) [13:58] amette_ sf.net, fresh and non-stinky as on day one [14:00] amette_ Luckily git wouldn't change anything, because it would also need the central repositoriy to be up for us to work... no, wait...!? [14:01] * amette_ stops being obnoxious now and goes back to debugging the backups [14:05] RadoS luciash, jonnyb didn't deny my variant, so you can take it until a better choice. [14:12] Jyhem polom [14:12] jonnyb hi Jyhem [14:12] Jyhem hi jonnyb [14:13] amette hi Jyhem [14:13] Jyhem_laptop joined #tikiwiki [14:13] Jyhem hi amette [14:13] amette jonnyb: the weird database error message happens on line 154 in Application.php, which says "exit($exitCode);" - wtf!? [14:14] jonnyb RadoS: i'd never heard that "ta" stands for any initials, i think it's just short for thanks :) [14:15] jonnyb still on the backup mysql gone away thing, amette? as i think we found in brussels it's happening on the shutdown event somewhere, which is triggered by an exit call i think [14:16] amette yep, that one... right now the sun winds cause the backup to fail again... so I fired up the debugger to see where exactly... but the last thing is the exit... I don't seem to go into the shutdown functionality at all... or do I have to set some additional breakpoints for that!? [14:17] jonnyb yes, you'd need to add breakpoints in all the code the shutdown event calls [14:18] jonnyb i think it runs as a new process of some sort... [14:18] amette right, ok, that makes sense.. I remember us setting break-points somewhere else... they didn't get saved though, it seems... [14:18] amette events.php, I guess!? [14:19] amette looks familiar, yup [14:24] jonnyb joined #tikiwiki [14:27] Padlock joined #tikiwiki [14:27] luciash amette: hei! [14:27] Padlock Hey...me again.... Do you know how to embed an image in a wiki page so it appears in its original size and not just a clickable miniature ? [14:28] amette luciash: ahoj! :) [14:28] luciash RadoS: what variant? (confused) [14:28] jonnyb joined #tikiwiki [14:29] luciash hi Jyhem and RadoS btw [14:30] Jyhem hi luciash [14:30] luciash RadoS: ah, that thanks anyway :) [14:31] Jyhem Hi Padlock: you should select "edit icons" on the top-right caret menu of the page [14:32] Jyhem then you can click on the little icon besides your image and configure more [14:32] luciash Padlock: remove the thumb="y" param [14:33] luciash from the {img ...} syntax [14:33] luciash Padlock: you can configure that per a file gallery setting [14:33] luciash Padlock: what is inserted on the img icon click [14:34] Jyhem you can also get on the file gallery and configure «Wiki markup to enter when image selected from "file gallery manager"» to something without thumbs=xxx [14:35] Jyhem as luci just said :-) [14:35] luciash yep, that is what i just said (in other words) [14:35] luciash :) [14:35] Jyhem you type too fast :) [14:35] luciash lol [14:36] luciash when sf.net is down suddenly everyone has time to help on irc ;) [14:36] Jyhem lol [14:54] amette ha, "beautiful"... I found my way into the shutdown part and now the bug doesn't appear any more. *gg* [14:55] luciash is it about trim? [14:56] amette no, console.php since Tiki 16 [14:57] amette well, scratch the last part... not sure, if it is Tiki 16 [14:57] luciash hmm, never heard about a shutdown part in console.php [14:57] luciash nevermind :) [14:57] luciash meeting here in 3 [15:06] amette luciash : the shtudown part is in tiki, so console.php uses it, too [15:30] RadoS Hmm, so jonnyb is right here http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TA, but ... other forms exist, too, like "thanks again" (or _think_ again ;). [15:37] Padlock Jyhem and luciash thank you very much :! I'm not sure I understand, but I will try to check that [15:41] jonnyb I added a comment here https://sourceforge.net/blog/small-but-significant-changes-to-project-pages/#comment-70869 asking if this might have casued the svn outage... it's awaiting moderation apparently ;) [15:47] Padlock What shall I put for "wiki markup when image selected from "file gallery manager", instead of : "thumb="box" ? [15:48] Padlock (sorry, I'm continuing with the same conversation although I was gone for awhile, getting screamed at by my boss..) [15:57] Bsfez joined #tikiwiki [16:01] jonnyb Padlock: soundslike a fun afternoon for you! :) If you don't want the image to be shown as a thumbnail just leave that bit out, so something like {img fileId=42} will work [16:01] luciash Padlock: there is prefilled something like {img fileId=%fileId% thumb=...} so just delete the thumb part [16:02] luciash :) [16:02] jonnyb :P [16:16] amette hmm, ok... sooooo.... dev/doc are down with the following error message: "PHP Fatal error: Class 'TikiCachedContainer' not found in /var/local/doc.tiki.org/www/lib/init/initlib.php on line 61" - any ideas!? [16:17] amette actually any site on that server is down with that error message... wtf!? [16:17] amette disk was full in between, and it didn't recover from that [16:17] amette can't even clear caches with console.php, because it gives the same error [16:18] jonnyb you cleared the caches i expect amette? [16:18] luciash wth? [16:19] amette jonnyb: nope, not possible [16:19] amette should I try that manually... with rm !? [16:19] jonnyb hmm, actiually sounds like composer didn't finish, so maybe setup.sh will do it? [16:20] amette ran composer, no change [16:21] jonnyb try and empty temp/cache then? [16:22] amette ok, I deleted temp/cache/container.php and now it works again [16:22] jonnyb phew! :) [16:23] amette yes and no... it quite sucks that Tiki shuts itself down completely just because the disk was full once [16:24] amette would it be possible to check if that file was created correctly and try to redo it in that case, instead of trying to use a broken file!? [16:25] jonnyb i thought we did add that a while back, but obviously not for this case [16:27] jonnyb ok, i think i see it... [16:29] amette where? [16:30] jonnyb initlib.php on line 61 [16:30] jonnyb have a fix but no svn still... :( [16:33] amette hmm, ok, yep, I'd be interested to see that fix... I see many things that could go wrong there, but probably I'm just not understanding, what's happening there... especially since I don't see, why Tiki tried to redo it, when the disk was full [16:43] jonnyb i was just going to check for class_exists('TikiCachedContainer') before using it, and rebuild the container cache if it's not there [16:44] amette ah, sounds good, yep - and only if rebuild fails then die [16:44] amette this also catches all kinds of other potential errors [17:28] Bsfez joined #tikiwiki [17:38] fabricius joined #tikiwiki [17:50] luciash jonnyb and amette: good you found out! good work :) [17:52] jonnyb :) [18:00] amette :) [18:22] Bsfez joined #tikiwiki [18:54] Telesight joined #tikiwiki [18:57] mattmiler joined #tikiwiki [19:00] nelsonko joined #tikiwiki [19:16] Bsfez joined #tikiwiki [20:11] Bsfez joined #tikiwiki [21:05] Bsfez joined #tikiwiki [21:59] Bsfez joined #tikiwiki [22:00] nelsonko joined #tikiwiki [22:08] nelsonko joined #tikiwiki [22:11] jonnyb joined #tikiwiki [22:53] Bsfez joined #tikiwiki [23:19] Smartwebs joined #tikiwiki [23:47] Bsfez joined #tikiwiki