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[04:05] fabricius luciash: a username works ... since Tiki17 createdBy is implemented, which is awesome.
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[08:11] Padlock Enter me ! Polom ^^
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[08:59] Padlock Hi Bsfez !
[08:59] Bsfez Good morning !
[09:20] Padlock Hi fabricius !
[09:21] Padlock Hi luciash ;)
[10:07] luciash polom everyone
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[10:47] Padlock luciash: i need some advice on something
[10:48] Padlock people in the project I'm setting up tiki for would like to have some kind of "project roadmap" in tiki. Some kind of calendar view where several tasks of a project are displayed as bars, showing start and end date in one global view
[10:49] Padlock a bit like a project viewer, in short
[10:49] amette__ polom
[10:49] Padlock Can you think of something that could kind of match that ?
[10:49] Padlock polom amette__
[10:49] amette__ hi Padlock
[10:50] amette__ And I'm no expert on this, but this sounds like some kind of tracker with something like trackercalendar.
[10:54] Padlock Actually i just came across something called plugintrackertimeline... I will look into this
[10:56] amette__ Sounds good! *thumbsup*
[10:56] Padlock trouble is, my tracker knowledge is extremely basic.... I guess now's the time to learn more
[10:57] amette__ Yeah, just dive in. Like everything in Tiki it's a bit messy, but once you get the hang of it, you'll suddenly build amazing things you didn't deem possible!
[11:02] amette__ Since you say "extremely basic": A good starting point for getting to know trackers (and something you can reuse for most Tikis you'll create in the future) is creating a Contact form with Trackers. That's extremely basic, but touches on everything you need for trackers and you'll see the possibilities. Make sure to use wiki plugins to embed your contact form into a page.
[11:05] Padlock Thank you so much for your previous piece of advice !
[11:06] amette__ You're welcome. Have fun! :)
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[11:41] Padlock Has anyone ever used the Simile timeline widget ?
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[12:11] jonnyb pom pom polom
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[12:26] Jyhem polom
[12:35] jonnyb polom Jyhem
[12:39] fabricius Padlock|Away Padlock - I have fiddled with it. out dated. we get H5P to Tiki 17 ... there is a timeline included
[12:40] fabricius Padlock|Away Padlock https://h5p.org/
[12:42] Jyhem hi jonnyb
[12:43] * Jyhem finally set the date for moving.
[12:44] Jyhem anyone in the Strasbourg area on saturday morning is invited to come and help carry and roll my stuff to and from my appartments and the lift ! :-D
[12:44] * Jyhem had to try :-)
[12:45] Jyhem moving in the same building with a lift is the best kind :)
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[12:59] jonnyb sorry Jyhem - too far away to help, but as you say, you couldn't have made it any easier for yourself! :)
[13:12] Padlock H5P sounds fun however I'm using Tiki 15 and I have absolutely no understanding of how Simile timeline works lol
[13:13] Padlock I guess I'll just use the plugintrackertimeline but I don't manage to make it look nice enough, it shows information that I have no idea where they came from
[13:19] Jyhem jonnyb: I forgot. Was "before branching" (now) the right time for inentation fixes?
[13:19] Jyhem The lib/prefs description fileds make it hard to review anything :-(
[13:20] jonnyb Jyhem: yes, now when we're not auto-merging is good for indentaion etc
[13:21] jonnyb Padlock: sadly the simile timeline used in trackertimeline as very old and unsupported now, h5p to the rescue (eventually) ;)
[13:21] Jyhem Fine. I'll have some easy boring stuff to do while resting between dismantling furniture :)
[13:25] Padlock jonnyb: fair enough. I can cope with the simple trackertimeline but I'm having trouble tweaking it
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[13:28] Padlock Hi fabricius thanks for your reply earlier
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[13:41] Padlock Can I show you guys something ? It's how trackertimeline looks on my tiki, I think something's off, maybe you have some pointers ?
[13:47] fabricius np Padlock
[13:47] fabricius show us
[13:48] fabricius But I would not any start with simile anymore ... try h5p first
[13:48] Padlock I gave up simile. And if h5p is anything similar requiring JS knowledge, i guess I'll pass on that one too :(
[13:49] Padlock No, I'm just trying to use the trackertimeline plugin as it is, but the display is strange
[13:49] Padlock I'll show you
[13:49] fabricius simile was great, but is not devellopped further (the original project) ... only perhabs makes sense, if you desperately need a quick solution for a timeline now, the tracker+simile would be likely the easiest way to setup
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[13:49] fabricius trackertimeline imho builds upon simile, if I am not fully wrong
[13:49] amette__ repolom
[13:50] fabricius wolod amette__
[13:50] amette heya fabricius
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[13:52] Padlock https://1drv.ms/i/s!Ag9t8bFP-Y0flyccfi_3o2MT7NBL
[13:52] Padlock that's how trackertimeline looks in my tiki. There seems to be something wrong with the size of the bands, text is cut off
[13:54] Padlock Same with the blue band along the dates, it looks a little too narrow
[13:54] fabricius Looks surprisingly nice nd plain (Flat design) - the problem seems (to me) a CSS prblem, where you need to find the correct CSS selector and give it a bit more padding - aybe not the only way to do
[13:55] amette yes, I agree, looks excellent.
[13:55] fabricius Suggestion: get one of your coders to your desk / screen and ask him/her to find the most possibly relevant selectors for you.
[13:55] amette (functionally excellent, aesthetically not yet, but seriously: it's just a bit of CSS adaptation to your use case)
[13:56] fabricius Then ask him/her to add those to the custom css field of your tiki in /tiki-admin.php?page=look
[13:57] fabricius The he/she plays around and finally we can teaĺ you where to put the code
[13:57] fabricius /s/teal/tell
[13:58] fabricius But in custom CSS it will work, cause this is the ast spot in the cascade apart from inline css code or css code directl on pages or elements
[14:01] Padlock Do I have to change the css of the doxygen theme you gave me ?
[14:02] Padlock Oh, you said to add custom css...
[14:06] Padlock Well we don't any "coders", so there.
[14:07] Padlock I thought I would have to change something in the general .css.... I honestly don't know what sort of thing to add to the custom CSS field that will apply to *that* page, I barely know how to use classes
[14:07] Padlock I'll just leave it look weird
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[14:08] fabricius yes start with custom CSS ... in case we get to fix general problems with the trackertimeline css we have the perspective to later coit it to the code, but then we sahould first discuss the best place for it with Gary (chibaguy) and few other collegues like luciash, bs
[14:08] fabricius Somebody in you comany will be capable to use right click "inspect element" and find the selectors - you are an IT company
[14:09] Padlock Yes, that I can do myself. And I've even tested what size would be best. What I don't know how to do is how to make it change in the tiki
[14:10] fabricius add it to the custo css field
[14:10] fabricius /s/custo/custom
[14:10] fabricius clear cache and dunno
[14:11] Padlock Well it's an IT company that lets a secretary (me) implement a tiki platform on his own. I guess if they wanted to pay a coding guy to do it, they'd have done it first hand
[14:11] fabricius But we are at your side Padlock
[14:11] Padlock I have no idea what to add to the custo css field. I don't know how to bypass the attributes of an element in a page by adding stuff to the custo css field
[14:12] fabricius selector { parameter: value; }
[14:12] fabricius CSS
[14:12] Padlock I'm already swamped trying to remove chucnks of code from the doxygen HTML pages because the integrators won't interpret them
[14:13] fabricius into the custom CSS field you basically copy paste the css rule you found and altered in "inspect element"
[14:13] fabricius then adapt values, clear cache and see the effect immediately
[14:13] fabricius oh .. do not forget to save first ;-)
[14:14] fabricius you found the css rule, you played with the values, so just take it and paste it into the custom filed - that is for overwriting the theme's css
[14:16] Padlock so whatever I write in custom css overrides what's in the original css ?
[14:20] fabricius yes! That easy it is.
[14:20] fabricius that is why we call it custom css
[14:20] fabricius :D
[14:20] Padlock I still have no idea what this bit is called
[14:21] fabricius Tiki is a beat, but not a monster ;-)
[14:21] fabricius /=>/Tiki is a beast, but not a monster ;-)
[14:21] fabricius That is a problem, that only one can see on the screen
[14:22] luciash re, Padlock, yep, if there is same CSS selector, it will usually override it
[14:23] fabricius But you could open a ticket in the bugtracker, distinguish it as a community project (not bug or wish), open a show instance and implement a simple trackertimeline there => then we can have a loock at it and help you finding the necessary selector and values
[14:24] Padlock trouble is I'm incapable of determining what is the css selector here, as I have no knowledge, as you know. Here's what inspector tells me. I know what line, I know what attribute, I know what value is best, but don't know what to crite in custom css
[14:24] Padlock https://1drv.ms/i/s!Ag9t8bFP-Y0flyiAKkADqURb96II
[14:25] luciash sorry I cannot see anything at the link
[14:25] luciash "Our server is having a problem. We're working to fix it as soon as we can, so try again in a few minutes."
[14:26] luciash that is what displayed to me :-p
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[14:29] Padlock oh. It's working for me :/
[14:32] Padlock Oh dear Lord I just asked one of my colleagues, who is an engineer.... he says "it's a span thing". I'm doomed.
[14:38] Padlock Oh and he added it's complete nonsense the way all of this is built, that there should be a class that I can reuse in custom CSS.... see, that's the kind of help I get.
[14:42] amette lol, adding a class for absolutely everything in the DOM - proper engineer :P
[14:43] amette Padlock: just breathe, all is good, you're making the best of the circumstances and that's all that can be asked of you - and so far: you're doing a great job, you'll get there! :)
[14:44] amette luciash: https://dl.amette.eu/padlock.png
[14:44] luciash amette: thanks!
[14:46] Padlock they have no problem addind classes. They just say that from what they see in the inspector, there's no unique identifier for that sort of green span block that they can use to define a style in custom css
[14:46] luciash Padlock: actually he is right it would be easier if the span element had a class
[14:47] Padlock they say if you want to change the attribute of a thing, you have to know what the thing is called
[14:47] luciash Padlock: so you need to define height: 41px for that span?
[14:47] amette It would be "easier", yes. But it's not absolutely necessary. So he is telling a "dangerous half-truth".
[14:48] Padlock Where do the current attributes used by tiki actually come from ? The fact that it is green, that height and so on ? Can't we just change that origin ?
[14:48] Padlock 41px looks pretty good yes
[14:48] luciash Padlock: sadly it is hardcoded in the inline style
[14:48] luciash Padlock: I guess it is in the code of the plugin
[14:48] Padlock but I don't know how the interline between all those green bands. If I managed somehow to make em bigger, they might overlap
[14:49] luciash Padlock: lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_trackertimeline.php
[14:49] Padlock why would the pulgin be coded with a height that cannot display all it's supposed to ? :-D lol
[14:50] luciash Padlock: bad coding habits? ;)
[14:51] Padlock that sounds legit to me, we all have bad habits
[14:52] Padlock now is it actually really possible to override this ? without having to ask for "help" from my colleagues ?
[14:52] Padlock lol
[14:53] luciash Padlock: you can force it with custom CSS using .wikitext td > span[style] {height: 41px !important;} but adding a class would be more clean (as this might affect other spans in td on that page)
[14:54] luciash Padlock: or wrap the plugin inside {DIV(class=myclass)}...{DIV}
[14:54] Padlock Oh I see the thing about a class
[14:54] luciash Padlock: then you can use .myclass td > span... as your CSS selector
[14:54] Padlock i'll try that
[14:55] luciash still it will not be on the span directly but at least something lessening the scope to match that span
[14:56] Padlock besides, if I only added a non-class CSS thing, it would apply to any spans in any tds anywhere, right ?
[14:57] Padlock or in that bit of css you gave me, there is something that points to my timeline ?
[14:58] luciash Padlock: anywhere in the .wikitext div (which is the wiki page content)
[14:59] * amette agrees btw - in this case a class would be good (still not seeing it as horribly misguided to not have any there... I like it more to do the simplest thing that possibly works and add on stuff afterwards, instead of flooding things with classes nobody needs). Form follows funcion.
[14:59] amette s/funcion/function
[14:59] Padlock ....
[15:00] Padlock I'll probably be ok if I don't  quite understanding everything
[15:00] Padlock :-D
[15:00] luciash :D
[15:00] amette :)
[15:01] Padlock I can cook pretty nicely :D
[15:01] amette :D
[15:01] amette__ Ok, we keep you around then. ;)
[15:01] luciash +1
[15:01] amette__ But, no, no worries. Life is constant learning for everyone.
[15:02] amette__ (I only have issues with people that don't want to understand that.)
[15:03] luciash btw, it would be really better to fix the plugin though to behave properly out-of-the-box than working around using custom CSS ;)
[15:03] amette *nod*
[15:03] * amette nods
[15:03] * amette hasn't been using IRC in a long time
[15:04] luciash *g*
[15:04] Padlock it's not working ^^'
[15:04] Padlock lol
[15:05] luciash no way! ah! sorry I missed that div
[15:05] luciash Padlock: .myclass td > div > span...
[15:06] Padlock Some people, really.....
[15:06] Padlock lol
[15:06] luciash what? :D
[15:06] luciash some people what?
[15:08] Padlock some people, they just forget the simplest things ! I am kidding of course
[15:08] luciash Padlock: btw, browser upgraded - can see your ms onedrive screenshots now ;)
[15:08] Padlock it's working ! Hurray !!
[15:08] Padlock Ah good, you're gonna need that lol
[15:08] luciash lol
[15:09] Padlock So, yes, with that pretty customized class, it's working just fine
[15:09] * luciash thinks should have keep that broken now
[15:09] Padlock And now I even know how to change the color of the bands :D
[15:09] luciash Padlock: clever!
[15:09] Padlock Yes, you should lol
[15:10] Padlock Ah luciash my savior (well at least of them this week)
[15:10] luciash Padlock: you are learning fast! In no time you will be Tiki expert/developer! ;)
[15:10] Padlock Now I'll go back to erasing chunks of html from my integrated doxygen documents, if I want to be ready for the show and tell
[15:11] Padlock in no time I will have resigned from this job. Seriously.
[15:11] luciash Padlock: maybe if you find a class in the doxygen stuff you can hide them using display: none (OK, that sounds like cheating! ;))
[15:12] Padlock I mean, all fun aside, it is so disrepectful to me and to the whole tiki community to make me bear the responsibility of implementing something like wiki, knowing how absolutely minimal my IT knowledge is
[15:13] Padlock cheating is fine with me, regarding doxygen, luciash ! It's better than selecting/deleting whole chunks of code !
[15:13] luciash Padlock: you are actually brave you took it... some people would give up right away or not even try!
[15:14] Padlock I didn't really have a choice...
[15:14] Padlock there aren't classes in the chunks of code I need hidden, but there are several "id=something"
[15:15] luciash Padlock: try #MSearchBox {display: none;}
[15:15] Padlock Oh actually there is a class. ironically, it's called "MSearchBoxInactive". (what i want to do is to hide that searchbox)
[15:16] Padlock # means everything containing that word ?
[15:16] luciash # means id
[15:16] luciash . means class
[15:17] luciash but from the other day I saw there is id="MySearchBox" so I suggest that
[15:17] luciash *MSearchBox
[15:18] luciash out of time for now, gotta go
[15:18] luciash bbl
[15:18] Padlock thanks again !!
[15:18] Padlock bye bye !
[15:18] luciash byez
[15:19] amette__ cya
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[15:42] fabricius Padlock, luciash, amette, just reread the chat. cool to have that solved, but one thing. This:
[15:42] fabricius "... t is so disrepectful to me and to the whole tiki community to make me bear the responsibility of implementing something like wiki, knowing how absolutely minimal my IT knowledge is ..."
[15:42] fabricius I would see differently: They *challenge* you and you are doing a great job, soon qualifying for tasks you did not dare to expect just recently ... besides all fun
[15:45] fabricius I learned most, if not everything about IT since I started to be a Tiki community member. Much stuff I learned by myself, but ongoingly I benefit from the mutual help and solidarity in the Tiki community
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[21:50] fabricius Hi, anybody aware about adodb problems with/in vendor_bundled when svn checkout or up?
[21:52] fabricius upgraded a site to trunk and got messy, yet successful installer ... no utf-8 in installer, even after forcing utf-8 for database upgrade
[21:52] fabricius any news with h5p?
[21:53] fabricius (not related, just curious and impatient
[21:55] fabricius )
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