#tikiwiki 2017-05-08,Mon

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Tiki-KGB	03lindonb r62494 10trunk/messu-broadcast.php [REF] Arrange code more logically to better place feedback; use Feedback class for errors; sort users for feedback.	[03:56]
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Tiki-KGB	03chibaguy r62495 10branches/17.x/themes/base_files/less/tiki-modules.less [FIX] Add right top and bottom border radius to "Find" input when input group wraps in side columns (previous fix wasn't right).	[06:00]
rim_	When using the BOX plugin, how do I change the size of the border? The default size is 1px. I would like to changee it to 0px	[06:00]
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Bsfez	pompom	[10:48]
jonnyb	hi Bsfez looks like the spammers are back today :(	[10:49]
Bsfez	... look like I was disconnected without knowing it on Doc... :(	[10:50]
jonnyb	Could be Monday then?	[10:51]
Bsfez	well not for me :D :D :D Find another good one : https://doc.tiki.org/LIST+-+FORMAT+command?no_bl=y#Display_an_Item_Link_tracker_item_linked_to_another_item_within_a_template_page	[10:51]
jonnyb	nice :) have you used the list gui yet Bsfez ?	[10:55]
Bsfez	not yet I worked only in 16 so far I should move very soon most of my own to 17 (time...) I found something very annoying... when a page is used as template/alias it always show the page name (title) even if it is set to OFF on the page: http://addresssuccess.com/record-9-Marie%20Curie I was on my way to fill a bug report :)	[10:55]
Tiki-KGB	03chibaguy r62496 10branches/17.x/ 10(56 files in 56 dirs) [FIX] Correct spelling and grammar errors in interface text and comments; no code changes.	[11:04]
jonnyb	you know you can user pagetitle=y on a display plug and so have the page title be a tracker field?	[11:04]
Jyhem	polom	[11:05]
jonnyb	moqmoq Jyhem	[11:11]
Bsfez	ha ha ! :) Salut Jyhem now I know, but still, I consider this is a bug worth to be fixed.	[11:11]
jonnyb	glad the election sort of worked out ok in the end, i had a really nasty feeling (3rd in a row etc)	[11:11]
Tiki-KGB	03chibaguy r62497 10(57 files in 57 dirs) [MRG][FIX] Correct spelling and grammar errors in interface text and comments; no code changes. [from revision 62496, branch 17]	[11:12]
Jyhem	I came back too late. Only saw the "Release test failed here on PHP 7.1" messages and assumed the release was postponed. Congrats and thanks	[11:12]
jonnyb	no, i thought i'd keep going :)	[11:13]
Jyhem	bad news: the demo error message is not the HSTS thing I was thinking about. It's something totaly new and unknows about which I have no clue :-( This failed for me: http://techworldzone.com/2017/01/24/fix-chromes-err_spdy_protocol_error/	[11:14]
Bsfez	jonny this parameter (pagetitle) should be in the format right : {FORMAT(name="title")}{display name="tracker_field_successfulName" default="" pagetitle="y"}{FORMAT} ?	[11:15]
Jyhem	I have to leave for a long-planned barbecue (it's a holiday today here), planned before one knew it would be rainy :-/	[11:16]
jonnyb	yup, actually inside a display, which can be in a format	[11:16]
Jyhem	will test later, after meeting	[11:16]
Bsfez	well it doesn't work on a tiki15...	[11:16]
jonnyb	it always rains here if it's a holiday monday and some one says barbeque Bsfez: should be in 15 i thought if the page title position and stuff are set to "normal" settings	[11:16]
Bsfez	yes I think also... In fact my code was already set like this... oh... let's try something by default (admin->wiki) "Display page name as page title" is enable. on the page I tried properties -> Show page title default (with pagetitle="y") = real page name displayed I also tried with properties -> Show page title off = same	[11:18]
jonnyb	hmmm, odd Bsfez - let me check	[11:23]
Tiki-KGB	03jonnybradley r62498 10branches/17.x/tiki-user_preferences.php * [FIX] users prefs: Fix test for viewing other users	[11:24]
Bsfez	The browser title page name changed for the tracker item title (good) but the page name at the top of the page still stay the real name http://addresssuccess.com/record-9-Marie%20Curie odd	[11:24]
jonnyb	http://addresssuccess.com/record-9-Marie%20Curie looks like it works to me now	[11:25]
Bsfez	at the top of the page, it shows "Record" or "Marie Curie) (check the first text not the ! below)	[11:26]
jonnyb	oh, you mean the page title h1, not the browser title - it never did that one	[11:26]
Bsfez	yes	[11:26]
jonnyb	i would turn it off and put it in the template	[11:27]
Bsfez	off doesn't work... I re re check properties -> Show page title off but it is still displayed...	[11:27]
jonnyb	seems to work on 17	[11:28]
Bsfez	ok I tweak that if customer ask for it :)	[11:28]
jonnyb	do you mean where it say "Record"?	[11:29]
Bsfez	yes	[11:29]
jonnyb	and it links to the tracker item - which is odd...	[11:29]
Bsfez	yes ha ha ha so something was corrected on the way it is displayed between 15 and 17	[11:29]
jonnyb	how bizarre	[11:30]
Bsfez	(I like this song :) )	[11:30]
jonnyb	must be a prefix alias thing i think just switch it off? (globally)	[11:30]
Bsfez	Mmm	[11:30]
jonnyb	by the way, on your mac does mysql keep failing? Mine does and it's quite annoying...	[11:31]
Bsfez	no ok here (but I removed mac port after last episode :)) Is there an alias switch off globally ?	[11:32]
jonnyb	apparently it'll be fixed in the next release which they're calling 8 instead of 5.8... but was wondering about trying mariadb yes, i always switch off page title in wiki admin	[11:33]
Bsfez	(those issues sucks) turning it off solve this page problem, but then... It is off where I need it :) (I mean no title is displayed)	[11:33]
jonnyb	does the per page thing work ok on a normal page? (it's ok in 17) cos it must be a prefix alias effect i think	[11:41]
Bsfez	yes it work for regular page	[11:42]
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Bsfez	jonnnnyyyyyy... We need a real random mode for the plugin list !!!	[12:08]
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jonnyb	looks like it's in elastic search... http://stackoverflow.com/a/20791296 Bsfez https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/2.4/query-dsl-function-score-query.html#function-random	[12:25]
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jonnyb	pompom polom amette__	[12:29]
Bsfez	heeee.... this is too technical for me :D Hi Amette	[12:29]
amette__	heya jonnyb and Bsfez	[12:30]
jonnyb	Bsfez: just saying it looks possible in elastic, but would need a bit of development time	[12:30]
Bsfez	Mmm... It will be nice to have a solution for any engine. But ES is good for me... The "bit of development time" is the issue.	[12:33]
jonnyb	might not be much actually - i'll try and take a look later	[12:35]
Bsfez	You got all my support on this ! (and it is a community project => Consultants page) :D	[12:36]
jonnyb	:P	[12:36]
Bsfez	hi hi hi :D	[12:36]
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Andrain	Hey there short question about the search function: I run a multilingual site and when I search using the search module it keeps highlighting not only the searched word but the languagecode as well. for example if I search for test and have the page set to English it also highlights "EN" in my search results. (Tiki Version 16.2, search query: /cms/tiki-searchindex.php?filter%7Econtent=portal&sort_mode=score_ndesc&filter%7Etype%5B%5D Here is a screenshot for visualization: http://imgur.com/a/Gckqe	[13:25]
Tiki-KGB	03jonnybradley r62499 10branches/17.x/lib/jquery_tiki/pluginedit_list.js * [FIX] list gui: Initialise fields array if empty	[13:36]
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jonnyb	hi Andrain - sorry, missed you r question (oops) i suppose that's a bug, or at least a "feature disappointment" - i guess we need to tweak the highlighter to ignore hits on language - sometimes it highlights 'y' or 'n' too which isn't very useful... do you code? :) need to feed now, but will be back later - meanwhile, welcome to Tiki!	[13:53]
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Andrain	Hello jonnyb thanks for the warm welcome, yeah I do some coding. But mostly on web stuff (JavaScript and some PHP). Would you recommend opening a Bug report for the search issue?	[14:52]
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amette__	heya chibaguy	[14:56]
chibaguy	hi amette__	[14:57]
jonnyb	re-hi all	[14:57]
Andrain	Hello jonnyb thanks for the warm welcome, yeah I do some coding. But mostly on web stuff (JavaScript and some PHP). Would you recommend opening a Bug report for the search issue?	[15:00]
jonnyb	hi Andrain - there might be an easy fix but i can't look at it now, so yes, file a bug report and i'll see what i can do	[15:01]
amette__	sorry, dev/doc down for a while	[15:02]
jonnyb	thanks amette__ (hadn't noticed, it was ok this morning)	[15:06]
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amette	yeah, I was doing some bigger maintenance on the hypervisor, basically all ok	[15:18]
jonnyb	thanks amette and amette__	[15:26]
Bsfez	Amette ?	[15:32]
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amette__	heya Bsfez	[15:46]
Tiki-KGB	03jonnybradley r62500 10branches/17.x/ 10themes/base_files/less/tiki-modules.less 10themes/base_files/css/tiki_base.css [FIX] search: Improvement on r62454 - make compact mode search box input the same height as the button next to it for all themes (was wrong on https://next.tiki.org) p.s. Not sure why a couple of [name="find"] were removed but that's how the less file is, chibaguy?	[15:56]
chibaguy	hi jonnyb, I removed them because they seemed to be unnecessary. That is the state of the latest less file, yes.	[16:04]
jonnyb	did i not svn up properly then? or did the css file not get committed?	[16:04]
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JMJimmy	hey all, I'm looking around at wikis to do some fantasy world building but one thing I'm having trouble finding is one that does both mind maps and timelines - does tiki have these as plugins?	[16:13]
jonnyb	Hi JMJimmy sort of, i think is the answer	[16:13]
JMJimmy	sort of might work at this point ;)	[16:14]
jonnyb	someone did integrate a 3rd party mind map of some sort, and we have simile timeline that just about still works, but is very old https://doc.tiki.org/MindMap and https://tiki.org/TikiFest+Timeline https://doc.tiki.org/PluginTrackerTimeline	[16:14]
JMJimmy	awesome thanks I'll check them out	[16:16]
jonnyb	but we also now (soon) have an intergration with h5p, that does everything! :) https://h5p.org/content-types-and-applications	[16:16]
JMJimmy	it's actually really surprising there isn't a niche wiki for writers... seems a natural fit	[16:17]
jonnyb	indeed, but neither are trivial to do well, so not an easy add-on also i think most existing mind map apps aren't compatible with tiki's license	[16:18]
JMJimmy	ahh	[16:19]
Bsfez	miaou	[16:26]
jonnyb	woof	[16:26]
Bsfez	Interesting idea about the calculation field "How about a maths calc field outputs a word if the item is new and you use that as a class on a div"	[16:26]
chibaguy	jonnyb, sorry, was away. I'll check on the less files again.	[16:33]
jonnyb	:)	[16:33]
Bsfez	Chibaguy, I feedbacked the new group/permission interface. I you have questions... :)	[16:34]
chibaguy	Ok, Bsfez, thanks. I see your feedback and will work on those issues.	[16:34]
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Jyhem	repolom anyone has experience into creating an offline version of a Tiki site and keeping it up to date? Tricky part (I'm told) being to keep track of wiki pages attachments	[17:31]
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JMJimmy	jonnyb I spent some time investigating what you mentioned and H5P is... yikes. What isn't gimmicky is reinventing the wheel rather poorly. I'll likely still use tiki but develop my own tools if I can't find anything better	[19:23]
jonnyb	sounds good JMJimmy - look forward to seeing what you develop, and answering a few questions along the way :) welcome to tiki! :) not sure what you mean about h5p reinventing the wheel poorly, i'm not aware of anything else like it, apart from flash which is unusable these days (surely) anyway, there's plenty of other stuff in tiki that may help, you should almost certainly look into Trackers and PluginList - in fact you can probably use them as a basis for a "native" tiki mind map...	[19:25]
JMJimmy	some of the code uses jQuery while other parts duplicate's jQuery's functionality, timelines only does gregorian calendar, acordion menus that don't submenu easily (or at all?), that sort of thing	[19:28]
jonnyb	fair enough points i guess - i think they're fairly open to suggestions and feedback...	[19:30]
fabricius	hi JMJimmy: with Tiki it is quite easy to upstream enhancements or new features ... once they are made good nd maintainable. Our development culture is rather enhance features, add missing functionality and add new features when missing, than external extensions or plugins like other systems work. polm everybody by the way ahhhrgs polom my keybord and I ... PEBCAK	[19:41]
jonnyb	pompom fabricius	[19:42]
fabricius	wodwod jonnyb	[19:42]
JMJimmy	good to know	[19:42]
Bsfez	Bsfez pissed off because school literally force me to setup a windows machine for my 10 year old daughter :(	[19:43]
fabricius	the Tiki community is different. Kind of an anarchic group of friends and family where everybody works together on one eye level, independant wether you are translator, documentator, coder, community manager ... a team where everybody can particiate the monthly round table meeting and live meet the guys at the frequent TikiFests at different plces in the world Bsfez: set her up a Linux mashine with a VM or so for those apps which only run on Windows and they would not accept alternatives.	[19:45]
Bsfez	if I could !	[19:46]
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fabricius	you cannot? why a school insists on Windows?	[19:46]
Bsfez	all education is done on win/word/excel (hebrew)	[19:47]
fabricius	Sad Why not LibreOffice or OpenOffice? does the school pay the licences?	[19:47]
Bsfez	If I install something else she will suffer... and they even didn't understand why I ask questions about giving internet access to a 10 y old girl.	[19:48]
fabricius	if not sue them at court younger kids should firt learn handwriting to near perfection and reading physical books	[19:48]
Bsfez	I can do what I want... it won't change that they will learn the kid that way and I don't want my daughter to be aside	[19:49]
fabricius	sure, I understand ... the masseffect anyway this will make our societies dumber ... similar problems in Germany	[19:49]
Bsfez	clearly... so I'm setting a win and closing access... so she can get only the school websote and wikipedia	[19:49]
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JMJimmy	is CSS the only way to get rid of the header?	[22:18]
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Jyhem	JMJimmy: which header?	[22:46]
JMJimmy	the main header I did what the doc said but that just generates a module error on every page	[22:47]
Jyhem	The layout is mostly all in smarty templates. You can fork any of them in your chosen theme and edit them Or edit modules and make them invisible, that also works	[22:48]
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