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   fabricius: <u>luis_asa</u>: I think the majority voted for spaces, but I am not sure. You should ask the coders.
   luis_asa: ok, will do. for now I'm trying to preserve the immediate environment around the code I'm doing while avoiding reconfiguring too much my editor :-)
   fabricius: ;-)
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   Jyhem: <u>luis_asa</u>: In Tiki it's TABS !
   <br> I wonder where you found spaces?
   <br> Anyway, the worst is mixing both :-(
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   luciash: <u>fabricius</u>: hi, it's tabs :)
   <br> <u>fabricius</u>: https://dev.tiki.org/DevTips#PHP_coding_habits
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   luciash: bolow
   <br> <u>chibaguy</u>: hi :) I agree that the offcanvas menus should wait for the BS4 revamp
   chibaguy: hi luciash. yeah, that makes sense, I think.
   luciash: yep
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   fabricius: Hi luciash and chibaguy: I agree aswell. Just was to write a new email with quoted email from the other thread to seperate issues and a wish on dev.t.o.
   <br> Or uciash and chibaguy: should I better create a devpage on dev.t.o ?
   <br> uciash -&gt; luciash
   <br> sry
   chibaguy: hi fabricius, I suppose a wish and a dev page both would be good.
   fabricius: ok chibaguy
   luciash: yup
   fabricius: luciash and chibaguy: But you both like the idea of a standard implemented left &amp; right off canvas sidebar? I'd prefer including a module zone for each from start.
   <br> is the roundtable today or next week?
   luciash: i do not have preference how to implement
   <br> <u>fabricius</u>: yes
   chibaguy: I'm not sure. I think it would be useful to (as an option) implement offcanvas for #col2 and #col3 also.
   fabricius: yes I like or yes Roundtable today or yes Roundtable next week luciash?
   <br> :D
   chibaguy: (so people don't have to bother with more module zones.)
   <br> but I guess if a site is already using #col2 and/or #col3 on-screen, and still want an offcanvas module zone, then that would have to be added.
   luciash: yes next week fabricius
   fabricius: thx luciash
   <br> I did implement the off canvas sidebar on a website which I am just upgrading. And I like that I have the opportunity to have a static #col2 #col3 on wide screen which then disappears on narrower screens replaced by off canvas
   <br> same I do with the topbar main navigation
   luciash: URL?
   fabricius: so topbar menu goes at the top of the off-canvas (right) and #col3 below in the same off canvas
   chibaguy: It would be good if the custom module zone idea that jonny worked out could be used, so .tpls don't need to be modified.
   fabricius: the problem is chibaguy, that when I use the custom module zone, I have to introduce it in the template {modulezone=zonename} in the div where I want to have it.
   <br> in my case it works with two simple divs in the layout_view.tpl including one module zone in each of both
   chibaguy: Well, it could be put in a module and then moved in the DOM with jquery.
   luciash: <u>fabricius</u>: why? you can put it in custom module
   fabricius: <u>luciash</u>: http://next.twohomes.org/ ... not finished, just at the state of proof of concept or technical base. I still have to move contents (modules/menus) around and do some CSS
   luciash: <u>fabricius</u>: you can place smarty syntax in textareas like shadow layers etc.
   <br> too
   <br> thanks!
   fabricius: UX is not yet as I want, but narrowing the screen shows a cog top left and three bars top right. the modules inside are added in the custom module zones
   luciash: will check it out!
   fabricius: =&gt; ou can place smarty syntax in textareas like shadow layers etc.
   <br> Then I would be limited to the classic template
   chibaguy: nice site :)
   fabricius: I'd like a general solution, but the option to make #col2 and #col3 offcanvas would be interesting aswell
   <br> thx chibaguy. I find the fonts - headings -  a bit heavily built and want to make them a bit smaller.
   chibaguy: https://www.elated.com/articles/jquery-removing-replacing-moving-elements/
   fabricius: by the way: how I get doubleclick.net, googleads.g.doubleclick.net, static.doubleclick.net on this side whilst I never installed that by my self? some automatic magc from google fonts?
   luciash: maybe
   chibaguy: I don't think google fonts should add anything else to your site.
   luciash: or some browser add-on/extension if you have it
   chibaguy: at least I've never seen that.
   fabricius: uBlock and uMatrix
   luciash: can be
   fabricius: but they are for blocking, not for adding ads
   luciash: heheh
   <br> nice demo of the offcanvas at your site fabricius
   fabricius: thx
   <br> and only few lines of code
   <br> apart from the initial two divs / module zones only few lines each in custom css and custom js
   <br> or custom header
   chibaguy: With a method from that elated.com URL, I got an effect like this: https://isoc.nl/ . (This is a WP site by somebody else but I worked out a Tiki equivalent.) The page-top image is in the page's wikitext in my version.
   <br> I don't have the theme or docs or demo ready yet but will later.
   <br> (the jquery script moves the image from wikitext to just inside #header_outer.)
   fabricius: very nice. possibly an idea for our conference site (https://conference.twohomes.org) anyway a bt different issue than off canvas sidebar. Thank you for mentioning anyway chibaguy. Should be in Tiki somehow.
   chibaguy: Probably as a profile.
   fabricius: good idea!
   chibaguy: Or just documentation.
   fabricius: if that works out - cool.
   <br> also good. especially if the implementation does not need too much time
   <br> profile maybe better, but more one-off work
   <br> By the way luciash and chibaguy: would you today recommend the use of .SVG logos over .PNG or still stay with .PNG due to browser compaibility or other resons?
   <br> s/compaibility/compatibility
   chibaguy: I guess .png is fine.
   <br> For one small image, I don't know if .svg has an advantage.
   luciash: svg is fine but cannot be shared on social media websites so you still need png/jpg alternative anyway - but maybe for logo is good (if you do not need to display it on old obscure browsers or something)
   chibaguy: bbl
   luciash: cya
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   <br> hello luciash. I got disconnected. Hopefully I did not miss parts of your answer.
   luciash: <u>fabricius</u>: irc.tiki.org
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   Jyhem: pop
   <br> Do we have a limit on autocomplete on trackers which have a lot of items?
   <br> It looks like some answers are missing, and they seem to be on the upper letters of the alphabet
   <br> Meaning on putting this in a trackerfilter page: {JQ()}$('input[name="f_(164:165)"]').tiki("autocomplete", "trackervalue", {trackerId:10,fieldId:"164:165"}){JQ}
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   luciash: there was limit on autocomplete for usernames iirc somewhere settable
   <br> dunno about other fields
   Jyhem: Hmmm, right now they just told me to remove autocomplete for now, "as it's unreliable". Maybe there'll be  budget later :-/
   -: Jyhem feels this limit should be settable per field in the autocomplete syntax, like tiki("autocomplete", "trackervalue", {trackerId:10,fieldId:"164:165"},limit)
   luciash: yep, that could be helpful
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   Jyhem: login on https://demo.tiki.org/trunk seems broken :-( anyone has time for investigating?
   luciash: <u>Jyhem</u>: sorry, I don't. it is just a demo which will be refreshed anyway... could be daily rather than weekly imho
   <br> bbl
   Jyhem: True. demo is agreat tool, but maybe not for the general public?
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   <br> Jyhem, luciash: agree. demo is agreat tool, but why not for the general public? I think demo is especially for general public.
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