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mose: heya! long time no see! :)
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jonnyb: hi chibaguy
chibaguy: hi jonnyb
jonnyb: just upgrading a 1.2GB tiki database to 18.x - quite exciting! (also slow ;) )
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mose: just had to install a new tiki from peer pressure
that's a long time :)
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jonnyb: hi mose, how did i go?
i/it
(i went fine ;) )
actually i have to go, hope your tiki is happy, catch you another time...
mose: :)
I just have to lurk around see what the hell happened in the past 10 years now
as I got a new job at bitnami, I tried their installer, that went smooth
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fabricius: hi mose
mose: heya
now maybe I will migrate my v0.9/0.10 tikis
hrum
fabricius: I think I came to Tiki when you left the scene, so we never met; but heard a lot. Your name is still visible at a lot of places
huuu
mose: yeah I had dirty fingers put them in many places
nice to meet you
and .. don't believe what people said of me it's all false
fabricius: I just wrote an email to the devlist where I pointed out that with Tiki you can upgrade across a lot of versions and that the community likely will not change the policy behind that.
I heard only good things, respectively that people remember you with respect
mose: yeah exactly
people always exagerate
memory creates embellished images
fabricius: so you tell me not to believe you would be one of the good guys
or at least a nice guy
:)
mose: I was just one guy
fabricius: we all are just one guy or girl ... and still a community together
mose: it survived the years, amazingly
and you still didn't migrate to git haha
fabricius: survived without Tiki. hard to believe :)
mose: that was already a topic 10 years ago
fabricius: hehe
and it is still
mose: that's crazy
fabricius: I am happy that I learned to use svn after a while and now I have to learn a new thing ... errr since ... in ... anyway
mose: the thing is the collaboration model. Tiki is built on access and trust, git/github is building on openess and lower trust
fabricius: this belongs to Tiki aswell. in some aspects we are kind of reluctant
what is the difference between access and openess?
mose: acess gives you power, openess only gives you opportunity
fabricius: ah, I guess I understand what you mean
mose: ie. diff between write right to commit on trunk vs anybody can do PR
fabricius: apply to the three rules and get full commit access to the full repository based on trust
mose: the commitment is higher
fabricius: with access!?
mose: yes
because there is more power, so there is a process to acquire it
there is no process to submit a PR
fabricius: many devs argue about the committment of sourceforge. I think that is more of a reason than preferring one version system over another
mose: yeah sourceforge kinda sucks
it does since 2001
so that's not new
when they close-sourced
that made savanah and gna appear
fabricius: sometimes changes are due to the amount of pain, sometime due to the timespan, when it never stops
mose: change in open source always happen because indiviuals
talking is cheap
let's do or not do, the one that does win haha
migratign the scm is just a lot of work
I'm sure tiki would survive with a new paradigm of collaobration
it's just a different community activity
more time sorting out contributions
smaller core team
but there are various projects that still are cohesive after migrating to github
by enforcing some cluture
but hey
I know nothing
from the years that passed
from how the community evolved
I left php 10 years ago
went to java, puked, ended up to ruby
and node
fabricius: I mean, I am not a coder, thus I trust the coders I know in person or collaborate with since long time. I enjoy to have commit access and ever so often be able to commit a small thing I see (and understand) and otherwise do different tasks. wether the (trusted and longknown) coders finally decide for git or svn - I do both.
mose: seems there is much less people than long time ago
but they may be much more skilled, as time passed
fabricius: I am not sure. I see that there are some coming and going and others staying since years. sadly we are kind of a niche product and not as renown as the big 3 (Woprdpress, Joomla, Drupal).
mose: yeah
but it would have died if it had not its unique value
anyways, now that I have to maintain a tiki again, I will stay around
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fabricius: great to hear
and mose: you'll make it nice and responsive finally
mose: hahaha
fabricius: yeah, I assume you'll upgrade to 18 anyway and from 14 you are fully bootstrapped ;-)
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