[00:00] marclaporte There was no entry for https://www.ohloh.net/p/sabnzbd so I added one, and it's now checking the code to make stats
[00:02] MarcelvanLeeuwen are you some sort of admin of Ohloh.net?
[00:03] marclaporte I am an enthusiastic volunteer
[00:03] MarcelvanLeeuwen okay :)
[00:03] marclaporte It's like Wikipedia, anyone can help out, so I do
[00:03] marclaporte https://www.ohloh.net/p/compare?project_0=Transmission&project_1=qBittorrent  is an example of how to compare projects
[00:04] MarcelvanLeeuwen checking
[00:04] marclaporte Coming back to yout original goal: I suggest to try to find an app which is already in the ClearOS marketplace and try to figure out how it's done.
[00:05] marclaporte On October 22nd, we will be working to add Tiki, which is a PHP app so a bit different than subsonic or SABnzbd
[00:05] marclaporte If you have a PHP app you want to do, the recipe will be very similar to what we will add
[00:06] MarcelvanLeeuwen okay
[00:07] MarcelvanLeeuwen so i a have to figure out how Tim made Transmission
[00:07] MarcelvanLeeuwen I mean how transmission installs on ClearOS
[00:09] MarcelvanLeeuwen also i can checkout the developers section
[00:09] MarcelvanLeeuwen and i can contact Tim
[00:10] MarcelvanLeeuwen what do you sugested to do first?
[00:10] MarcelvanLeeuwen for example how can i see how transmission installs
[00:11] marclaporte Read the source code
[00:11] MarcelvanLeeuwen okay
[00:11] marclaporte Need to find where the recipe is
[00:12] MarcelvanLeeuwen the next dumb question
[00:12] MarcelvanLeeuwen how do you read the source code
[00:12] marclaporte need to find it first
[00:12] marclaporte http://www.clearfoundation.com/docs/developer/source_code/start
[00:12] MarcelvanLeeuwen ah
[00:14] MarcelvanLeeuwen i think i'm going to checkout the developers section
[00:14] marclaporte http://code.clearfoundation.com/svn/listing.php?repname=ClearOS&path=%2Fwebconfig%2Fapps%2Ftransmission%2Ftrunk%2F&#ab228eab2b1f5fbddfa6c21c88abb2026
[00:15] marclaporte http://code.clearfoundation.com/svn/filedetails.php?repname=ClearOS&path=%2Fwebconfig%2Fapps%2Ftransmission%2Ftrunk%2Fpackaging%2Fapp-transmission.spec
[00:16] MarcelvanLeeuwen oh yes the spec file
[00:18] MarcelvanLeeuwen this spec file installs transmission
[00:18] Lacrocivious Probably only installs transmission-daemon
[00:18] Lacrocivious The webui is built into that
[00:19] Lacrocivious To control remotely, you can use transmission-remote (cli), transmisison-qt gui, or third party front end
[00:19] Lacrocivious In addition to webui
[00:20] MarcelvanLeeuwen yes i know i somethimes use transmission-remote
[00:20] MarcelvanLeeuwen very cool
[00:20] Lacrocivious A bit cumbersome, especially for multiple torrents
[00:20] Lacrocivious I prefer transmission-qt
[00:21] MarcelvanLeeuwen transmission-gt never heard of it
[00:21] MarcelvanLeeuwen googling!
[00:21] Lacrocivious Qt
[00:21] MarcelvanLeeuwen ok
[00:21] Lacrocivious It's the gui client that can run either standalone, or to control a remote session of the daemon
[00:22] Lacrocivious The webui is not feature-complete, but it is close
[00:23] Lacrocivious There are also three command-line tools that are useful: transmiission-create, transmission-edit, transmission-show
[00:23] Lacrocivious For creating, editing, and showing contents of .torrent files
[00:28] MarcelvanLeeuwen okay installed
[00:28] MarcelvanLeeuwen looks okay
[00:28] Lacrocivious To control remote session, go to Edit/Change Session
[00:29] MarcelvanLeeuwen yes i already have a remote connection
[00:29] MarcelvanLeeuwen with the daemon on my server
[00:29] MarcelvanLeeuwen hmmm, i have to test this for a couple of days
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[00:39] MarcelvanLeeuwen okay interesting
[00:40] MarcelvanLeeuwen i'm going to checkout the developers section
[00:40] MarcelvanLeeuwen some stuff to read
[00:40] MarcelvanLeeuwen but that is for another day
[00:40] MarcelvanLeeuwen time to go to bed
[00:41] MarcelvanLeeuwen have a nice day..
[00:41] MarcelvanLeeuwen :)
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[00:45] Lacrocivious [18:39] MarcelvanLeeuwen okay interesting
[00:45] Lacrocivious [18:40] MarcelvanLeeuwen i'm going to checkout the developers section
[00:45] Lacrocivious [18:40] MarcelvanLeeuwen some stuff to read
[00:45] Lacrocivious [18:40] MarcelvanLeeuwen but that is for another day
[00:45] Lacrocivious [18:40] MarcelvanLeeuwen time to go to bed
[00:45] Lacrocivious [18:41] MarcelvanLeeuwen have a nice day..
[00:45] Lacrocivious [18:41] MarcelvanLeeuwen :)
[00:46] marclaporte1 Super. Take care!
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[04:19] harlan where can I find the specs on the amount of disk needed by clearos?
[04:19] harlan I have a small install and the 6.4 iso will not auto-install on either a 4G or 8G CFdisk.
[04:19] harlan That's actually way more space than I need...
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[08:33] MarcelvanLeeuwen mornig guys!
[08:33] MarcelvanLeeuwen at least in this part of the world it's morning
[08:35] MarcelvanLeeuwen *morning
[08:39] MarcelvanLeeuwen harlan: Have you checked the Clearcenter site?
[08:39] MarcelvanLeeuwen Lets see...
[08:40] MarcelvanLeeuwen http://www.clearcenter.com/support/documentation/clearos_install_guide/system_requirements
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[23:25] timb Hi everyone, just popping by to say hello. I hope to drop by the IRC channel more often in future :-)
[23:26] Lacrocivious Heya timb
[23:26] timb hey lacrocivious - how are you?
[23:27] Lacrocivious timb: Your nick suggests a gloriously revered ClearFoundation personage ;-)
[23:27] Lacrocivious I am, as always, twice as crazy as I would be if I was half as crazy as I am ;-)
[23:28] timb haha...not sure I deserve the title but yup from the CF forums :-)
[23:28] Lacrocivious I used to be a quasi-regular back in the days of Buddha, etc
[23:28] Lacrocivious That was Pointe Clark/ClarkConnect erea
[23:28] Lacrocivious era even
[23:28] timb ah cool - way back then
[23:29] Lacrocivious Been using CC since Office 3.0
[23:29] timb I started using Clarkconnect around 3.x
[23:29] timb 3.2 maybe?
[23:29] Lacrocivious Put a fair number of those into small businesses locally, in front of their WinOS boxen... solved almost all their problems in one swell foop
[23:30] timb yep! my first install was for my uni housemates, to share the limited bandwidth...
[23:30] timb do you still deploy ClearOS?
[23:30] Lacrocivious Absolutely
[23:31] Lacrocivious Using 5.2; too damn bad there isn't an upgrade path to 6.x ... it will be ... messy ... for me when the time comes I have to tear that down and start anew with 6.x
[23:31] timb Great
[23:32] timb yeah, that sucks - I bit the bullet a while back
[23:32] Lacrocivious As for deploying for clients, I still do, when I can. The local economy is execrable and has been for years, and doesn't look to be getting better
[23:32] Lacrocivious I provide what amounts to 'soup-to-nuts' outsourced IT for local (very) small businesses
[23:33] Lacrocivious I'm ex-corporate; want nothing to do with enterprise
[23:33] timb I tend to go through spells of deliberately breaking my boxes so I can fix them again ;-)
[23:33] Lacrocivious Heh. <cough>KDE 4.0<cough> <cough>systemd<cough>
[23:34] timb lol
[23:34] timb i'm always open to ideas for new and interesting ways to extend ClearOS
[23:34] Lacrocivious Any chance Dave Loper or someone will be able to unearth the original dialogs with freenode network to setup up #clearfoundation channel, so we can assign an op here?
[23:35] timb hmm possibly - i'm in the dark as to how the channel was originally setup, but I can ask
[23:35] Lacrocivious In my experienced and therefore somewhat cynically jaded experience, it is dangerous to have an opless channel active, due to spambots
[23:36] timb if I recall it was a community effort
[23:36] Lacrocivious There are, unfortunately, some indications -- complete hearsay and I am only reading occult waves of meaning between the lines -- that the channel was never 'properly' set up with a formal freenode primary contact etc
[23:36] timb yes true
[23:37] Lacrocivious ...and now the parent company of freenode has gone tits up, and they are ... in transition ... vis-a-vis registrations and such
[23:37] timb I see
[23:38] Lacrocivious MarcelvanLeeuwen has been in contact with Dave Loper about this, but we are awaiting a further reply beyond his initial ones
[23:38] timb I can ping the dev team to see if it rings any bells with them
[23:39] Lacrocivious It is MarcelvanLeeuwen's account of his communications with Loper that provide me with the wisps of suspicion that the channel was never 'properly' nailed down, as it were
[23:40] timb Ok - well at one stage there were several channels spawned, and i'm not sure by whom
[23:40] timb we are talking a couple of years ago
[23:40] Lacrocivious Anything you could do in that regard would be appreciated. I am of the opinion that IRC offers a parallel and viable support stream in addition to forums
[23:40] Lacrocivious http://www.clearfoundation.com/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,232/catid,31/func,view/id,45705/ <--this?
[23:41] timb Definitely if it can attract some traction with users :-)
[23:42] timb http://www.clearfoundation.com/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,232/catid,31/func,view/id,5565/limit,10/limitstart,10/#20263 < this one perhaps?
[23:42] Lacrocivious What I figure is, there are likely a fair number of people who are attracted to and/or experienced with ClearOS on its merits, who are also old IRC propeller-heads
[23:43] timb It tends to go quiet when the user count drops, and then people are less inclined to visit
[23:43] Lacrocivious True
[23:43] Lacrocivious I provide support on a couple of other freenode channels, though I'm not a dev
[23:43] timb The logs will help too :) partly my reason for dropping by
[23:44] timb Ah great
[23:44] Lacrocivious #transmission and #pan ... the latter of which is mostly only ever active when the current dev wants some experimental laboratory animals to torture in real time
[23:44] * Lacrocivious squeaks a bit and runs in his wheel
[23:45] Lacrocivious Your forum link is much more informative than the one I had, thanks ;-)
[23:45] timb transmission is great! real time dev feedback is incredibly valuable when testing
[23:46] timb there are a few more clues, but Dave L is possibly the best starting point
[23:46] Lacrocivious Are you the guy who packaged transmission for ClearOS?
[23:47] timb Pete knocked out v1.92 a long time ago, and I bumped it to 2.82 with the webconfig front end
[23:48] Lacrocivious Yeah, there have been *major* improvements between those versions
[23:48] timb I think it was based on the original EPEL rpm packaging
[23:48] Lacrocivious I imagine you had a few deps to deal with, given CentOS lags a bit
[23:48] Lacrocivious I've been involved with Transmission project since February 2006
[23:49] timb yeah - although having EPEL as a starting point really helps
[23:49] Lacrocivious And you are correct, jordan is as responsive as he can be
[23:49] Lacrocivious The ClearOS package is probably just transmission-daemon, yes?
[23:50] Lacrocivious Did you include the trio of cli tools, transmission-create, transmission-edit, and transmission-show ?
[23:50] Lacrocivious For manipulating .torrent files
[23:50] timb transmission-cli, transmission-daemon and transmission-common
[23:50] timb yes includes the cli tools
[23:51] Lacrocivious You should probably remove transmission-cli. It is single-shot, deprecated, and only still exists because some older embedded devices require it
[23:51] Lacrocivious transmission-daemon and transmission-remote fully replace transmission-cli
[23:51] timb ah ok - thanks for the heads up
[23:52] timb so the transmission-remote front end handles all the cli based stuff? I've not tried it yet!
[23:52] Lacrocivious You *might* also consider transmission-qt, which is the Qt gui client, feature-complete with the (many distro default) transmission-gtk, but transmission-qt has the ability to run both standalone and to control a remote instance of transmission-daemon
[23:53] Lacrocivious Transmission-qt would not be something to run on ClearOS per se, but users might like to know it exists for their remote stations. The webui, alas, is not fully feature-complete
[23:54] Lacrocivious Yes, transmission-daemon may be controlled via webui, transmission-remote, transmission-qt, or any of the third party front ends that speak RPC to transmission-daemon
[23:54] Lacrocivious http://www.transmissionbt.com/resources/ <--front ends
[23:55] Lacrocivious ^ third party
[23:55] timb If I recall the build disables the gtk client due to dependancy issues, and not having a local GUI... but its been a while since I looked at it
[23:56] Lacrocivious Yes, plus transmission-gtk is useless for controlling transmission-daemon
[23:56] Lacrocivious That has to do with history
[23:57] timb ah ok
[23:57] Lacrocivious titer created the project, with a gui for OS X and BeOS; the GTK+ client came later, and the daemon later still, followed eventually by transmission-qt, a webui overhaul, and the three cli tools
[23:58] Lacrocivious Transmisison-gtk will require a pretty major rewrite to gain RPC capability
[23:58] Lacrocivious ...and given Qt is becoming so popular, that may never happen
[23:58] timb I see