[00:03] seed_ worst channel ever
[00:03] seed_ :P
[00:13] q_a_z_steve Who owns Tiki|Log2?
[00:15] Lacrocivious q_a_z_steve: That's the logging marclaporte1 set up; I don't know the details
[00:15] q_a_z_steve hello
[00:17] Lacrocivious seed_: Nonsense. There's fresh trout you could have!
[00:17] Lacrocivious seed_: Well, slightly fresh
[00:17] Lacrocivious Maybe not really fresh
[00:17] Lacrocivious In fact, not so much fresh as ... ripe
[00:18] cc-daveloper I'm working out the issues with eery.
[00:20] cc-daveloper *erry
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[00:56] q_a_z_steve weird, I come back and all the windows are still open (of course, that's how irssi works) but not in a single room.
[00:56] q_a_z_steve So where are we? I know erry is done for now...
[01:00] q_a_z_steve cc-daveloper: ^^
[01:02] cc-daveloper hey…sorry…was making dinner
[01:03] cc-daveloper erry is working on authenticating me for who I am. It will probably take until tomorrow.
[01:03] Lacrocivious cc-daveloper: Oh, thanks!
[01:03] * Lacrocivious passes around bibs, napkins, and silverware to everyone
[01:04] Lacrocivious I can see why he'd want to do that, as your nick contains a certain flight risk
[01:08] q_a_z_steve Dave are you no longer registered as Nickname daveloper?
[01:11] q_a_z_steve I think that may help...
[01:11] q_a_z_steve cc-daveloper: ^^
[01:12] q_a_z_steve Lacrocivious: flight risk as in "letters"?
[01:12] Lacrocivious No no, as in 'eloper'
[01:13] Lacrocivious Though I hasten to add, *I'm* not eloping with him
[01:13] Lacrocivious ...then again, he did make us dinner...
[01:13] * Lacrocivious is conflicted
[01:18] q_a_z_steve I've seen him, though not recently. He is a dapper young fellow.
[01:20] Lacrocivious It's that very last part that is the problem
[01:20] q_a_z_steve stigmas
[01:36] q_a_z_steve I think we need to get in touch with laporte in order to possibly have every"one" leave the room, should we need it...
[01:39] Lacrocivious q_a_z_steve: He has been here for part of most days
[01:41] q_a_z_steve Much as I like the bot, it would have to bounce out and then back in...
[01:41] q_a_z_steve Again, I'm not sure if that will be required though...
[01:42] Lacrocivious q_a_z_steve: It doesn't have any rights that would prevent anything other than its own operation once the chanop invokes privileges, does it?
[01:42] q_a_z_steve erry is sleeping by the way, did he pass the torch before that, or "I'll get with them tomorrow" sort of thing?
[01:43] q_a_z_steve Lacrocivious: In order to establish clear OPS sometimes staff will have all but one user exit
[01:43] q_a_z_steve So that ChanServ can recognize!
[01:43] Lacrocivious Should I /part #clearos in anticipation of that happening?
[01:51] q_a_z_steve No, I Founded that, and still have all I need as far as permissions.
[02:10] Lacrocivious q_a_z_steve: Before I forget to ask, do you know what ircservices freenode uses?
[02:11] q_a_z_steve I don't know what you mean.
[02:11] Lacrocivious The application providing services
[02:12] q_a_z_steve I don't know. You could probably read up on http://freenode.net I should think, assuming they disclose the technical data.
[02:12] Lacrocivious I seem to recall doing that, but I will do it again
[02:13] Lacrocivious The network I run uses the no-longer-maintained eponymous ircservices, but I'm considering Anope instead
[02:17] q_a_z_steve I would suggest a #freenode staffer. Can't think of one better than another atm, but they'll steer you in the right direction.
[02:18] Lacrocivious An apt suggestion
[02:20] q_a_z_steve Any chance we will be graced by the likes of Peter Baldwin in the course of this?
[02:21] Lacrocivious One hopes
[02:22] Lacrocivious It was Peter who, in 2003, gave me the iptables rule I needed to isolate subnets off my gateway, and that as much as anything cemented my already high opinion of the product as a serious, supported, capable and comprehensive one
[02:25] q_a_z_steve I'm also curious who he was contacting "in the office" back in the days before anyone got on freenode...
[02:25] q_a_z_steve TimBurgess perhaps?
[02:27] q_a_z_steve cc-daveloper: Where did erry leave off?
[03:01] q_a_z_steve Where was I when this happened? How long had it been since daveloper had been on: http://irc.tiki.org/irclogger_log/clearfoundation?date=2013-10-03,Thu&sel=9#l5
[03:15] Lacrocivious q_a_z_steve: All I can tell you is that when I got here on 27 September 2013, there was no one else in-channel. marclaporte came in on 01 October
[03:15] Lacrocivious Oct 01 15:44:03 marclaporte1	It is logged here in case you need: http://irc.tiki.org/irclogger_log/clearfoundation
[03:19] q_a_z_steve At least back when I was passing around the flask we filled out the paperwork, so that no one could take over directly...
[03:28] Lacrocivious It's important
[03:29] q_a_z_steve It's like the law of gravity, zero suggestions.
[03:49] q_a_z_steve MarcelvanLeeuwen: Did I understand correctly? The channels I had created were no longer existing when you looked? Here: http://irc.tiki.org/irclogger_log/clearfoundation?date=2013-10-15,Tue&sel=116#l112
[04:04] q_a_z_steve MarcelvanLeeuwen: /j #clearos just in case.
[04:19] q_a_z_steve M_v_L: maybe?
[04:42] q_a_z_steve Marcel?
[05:15] q_a_z_steve cc-daveloper: you around?
[05:15] cc-daveloper hey
[05:16] q_a_z_steve #freenode jayne is willing to continue, I don't know where erry left off...
[05:21] q_a_z_steve Have you two connected up?
[05:22] q_a_z_steve cc-daveloper: ^
[05:24] cc-daveloper eery and i did
[05:24] cc-daveloper but not jayne
[05:24] cc-daveloper i had provided erry one proof of identity and he wanted a second one
[05:25] cc-daveloper i need peter's help for that one
[05:25] q_a_z_steve I suggest getting with jayne, to see if there are any other workarounds.
[05:25] q_a_z_steve Peter, because he did the paperwork?
[05:26] q_a_z_steve Where is Marcel located? NZ?
[05:26] cc-daveloper no…erry wanted me to put some random string on www.clearfoundation.com…which I did
[05:26] q_a_z_steve what? Like DNS? blarggg
[05:26] cc-daveloper then he wanted me to put it on code.clearfoundation.com…which I can't do because peter is the release manager and it's his server
[05:27] q_a_z_steve why would that have even come up?
[05:27] cc-daveloper a dns entry would be easy for me
[05:27] q_a_z_steve we don't have code posts here yet though, and none of that seems relevant
[05:28] cc-daveloper he just wants to make sure that I'm part of ClearFoundation instead of just part of ClearCenter
[05:28] q_a_z_steve if I were a CEO of a non-profit off-the-grid fruit stand do you think they would put me through those hoops? No, they'd find something else.
[05:28] cc-daveloper I'm a patient man…I'm not that worried…we don't get hit by spammers yet so … it's all good.
[05:29] q_a_z_steve what's another sub.domain we could supplant though, if that's required? What about *.poweredbyclear.com ?
[05:29] cc-daveloper that is a clear center asset.
[05:30] q_a_z_steve kk
[05:30] cc-daveloper i'm not worried about it…Peter will get the code.clearfoundation.com thing done tomorrow most likely.
[05:30] cc-daveloper Marcel is in the Netherlands.
[05:31] cc-daveloper the best time to check for him is in the morning…which is his afternoon
[05:31] q_a_z_steve Well I was working with jayne to see if *I* could do anything about this, sooner. And they were looking at only dealing with one person. We settled on you.
[05:31] q_a_z_steve I wonder if I can pull his user over with an /invite or something.
[05:31] q_a_z_steve probably not.
[05:32] cc-daveloper he hasn't chatted me yet…so *shrug*
[05:32] q_a_z_steve over to #clearos that is.
[05:32] cc-daveloper is that where he is?
[05:33] q_a_z_steve no, he's been camped in #freenode and here. Not sure how long since he's been active.
[05:33] q_a_z_steve btw Tiki|Log2 is useful, but not very clean. I suggest other options, especially for other functions: code posts, greetings, !lastseen, stuff like that.
[05:34] Lacrocivious He said he was going to bed, 7 hours 15 minutes ago
[05:34] q_a_z_steve It's fairly useless to populate logs with a bunch of "idle 52 mins".
[05:35] q_a_z_steve You're saying I just missed him?
[05:35] Lacrocivious By about an hour and 15 minutes, yeah
[05:36] q_a_z_steve oh, too right. Was thinking more like just 15 mins.
[05:36] Lacrocivious He was M_v_L at the time but he has two instances running, as you can see
[05:36] q_a_z_steve Yeah, not sure what's going on there. I have bots running sometimes, but otherwise consolidation...
[05:37] Lacrocivious Some of us have multiple systems running in different places; I figured it was that
[05:38] q_a_z_steve same IP though, and I don't actually know whether both are registered nicks
[05:38] Lacrocivious Try a memoserv
[05:38] q_a_z_steve you mean /memo to him about that?
[05:39] Lacrocivious Yeah, and if one of them isn't registered, it will whine
[05:40] q_a_z_steve ?? [21:39] -!- Irssi: Unknown command: memo
[05:41] q_a_z_steve I PM'd, but not sure how else to manage atm
[05:43] q_a_z_steve I have a LONG way to go before that happens.
[05:43] Lacrocivious It's /msg memoserv send <nick> vitally important message
[05:43] Lacrocivious q_a_z_steve: What, before the free refrigerator magnet?
[05:44] q_a_z_steve yeah, yours is #8
[05:45] Lacrocivious Well, if 'the cake is a lie' then so is the free refrigerator magnet
[05:45] Lacrocivious I just wanted to see whether your irssi was working for that
[05:45] q_a_z_steve Also, you assume he'll see it, and know what to do from there...
[05:46] q_a_z_steve Lacrocivious: yeah, I just barely turned on emailmemos
[05:46] Lacrocivious No, I only pointed out that you could tell whether both nicks were registered. If a nick isn't registered, memoserv fails to send and says so
[05:53] q_a_z_steve M_v_L isn't registered. As I suspected. And also, memoserv sent me a nice little note back saying "they're online, you can talk directly..."
[06:57] cc-daveloper my name is registered
[06:57] cc-daveloper fwiw
[08:03] M_v_L Morning!
[10:48] MAvL /WHOIS MAvL
[10:49] MAvL hmmm
[10:55] MAvL okay that command is not available
[10:57] MAvL ah it's 'WhoIs
[11:00] MAvL how are you doing?
[11:02] MAvL hmmm
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[16:04] cc-daveloper hey
[16:04] cc-daveloper how goes it?
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[17:51] q_a_z_steve So, MarcelvanLeeuwen are you learning all about your babysitter abilities?
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[17:53] cc-daveloper i don't think Marcel is here.
[17:53] cc-daveloper ??
[17:54] q_a_z_steve Ok, wasn't sure. This is as early as I could manage to jump in after working with him last night.
[17:55] q_a_z_steve He is OPS in #clearos , so if we want to, we can resort to that.
[17:57] q_a_z_steve cc-daveloper, What's the status with you and Peter and erry... This channel?
[17:58] q_a_z_steve or jayne. Just throwing that out again.
[17:58] cc-daveloper nothing to report yet
[18:10] q_a_z_steve Im hearing erry could be away for the weekend. It could be possible to have someone else pick up where they left off.
[18:11] cc-daveloper yeah…but I don't want to cause them too much work…I'd hate to be the drama group on freenode
[18:13] q_a_z_steve drama fades. truth is everlasting. Ask in freenode like this: should I wait for erry, or can a staffer assist me now; my question is this...
[18:13] cc-daveloper patience is a virtue
[18:17] q_a_z_steve Doesn't hurt to ask, especially as everyone collectively wants to get this resolved. I know how valuable YOUR time is!
[18:20] q_a_z_steve brb
[18:29] q_a_z_steve hmm, this ios client is viable, perhaps.
[18:37] q_a_z_steve Off to work, will trade clients there.
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[19:45] q_a_z_steve marclaporte: How hard is it to set up a Tiki ? We may (if worse comes to worse) want to mirror your setup over to #clearos.
[19:45] q_a_z_steve Although I did just hear from erry, and I have nothing to fear atm.
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[20:17] marclaporte q_a_z_steve: Tiki is vey easy to set up and Tuesday, we'll start working on a package for the marketplace
[20:18] MAvL Hi!
[20:18] MAvL marclaporte, Nice!
[20:18] marclaporte hi MAvL!
[20:19] q_a_z_steve I was reading about it as I worked backwards on the breadcrumb, it looks quite nice. Is it very customizable?
[20:20] marclaporte q_a_z_steve: Tiki has tons of features, it's paradise for power users
[20:20] marclaporte https://tiki.org/FOSS+Web+Application+with+the+most+built-in+features
[20:23] q_a_z_steve What about making the logs password protected or only available via email, or something?
[20:23] MAvL not tried tiki yet
[20:25] MAvL but it looks really interesting
[20:26] marclaporte q_a_z_steve: I see this like the forum. If you want private chat, you can start a temporary other room, or send private messages. There is also a command to avoid logging of a few lines
[20:27] marclaporte eventually, the search engine on the clearfoundation site should search these logs
[20:27] marclaporte This is what we are working on Tuesday: https://tiki.org/TikiFestClearOS
[20:28] * MAvL checking tiki.org
[20:32] marclaporte are you folks on ClearOS 5 or 6 ?
[20:32] q_a_z_steve That all seems very cool. The only reason I would think of the option for non-public instances (maybe that's just through installing the software on my ClearBOX) is for internal company chat sessions… I for instance have registered a room for my family to jump into on freenode, when they need to get together and talk about issues with aging parents and things. Not common, but the backlogs become worth their weight in p
[20:33] * MAvL ClearOS 6.x
[20:36] Lacrocivious q_a_z_steve: I think you got cut off after 'weight in pa'
[20:37] Lacrocivious marclaporte: I'm still on 5.2, largely on account of it not being broken, having >300-day uptimes, and me being a lazy sod
[20:37] MAvL :)
[20:37] q_a_z_steve Palladium. So I would simply ask whether a logger bot could join my channel and then email me daily, or some other more private option.
[20:38] MAvL 300 days uptime is great!
[20:39] Lacrocivious I think the record is 408 days; it is generally the span between power outages that exceed the UPS batteries capacity
[20:39] marclaporte http://colas.nahaboo.net/Software/IrcLogger is what is used for the logs
[20:40] Lacrocivious ... or you could simply become /oper and turn on logging in your client
[20:40] marclaporte q_a_z_steve: for private chats, I am planning to experiment with Jitsi and sipXecs. This would provide desktop sharing, audio, video, etc. as well
[20:44] * MAvL going upstairs to grab a mug of coffee
[20:45] q_a_z_steve Bring me back a toy!
[20:47] q_a_z_steve marclaporte: If I don't need any of that, would be why I aimed for irc as another global resource, but I'll check into those.
[20:50] Lacrocivious What is all this talk about desktop sharing and audio and video??! Why, when I was a youth, cave painting was good enough for *us*! ;-)
[20:51] marclaporte haha
[20:51] Lacrocivious ...and before that, why, we simply peed on trees!
[20:54] MAvL lol
[20:59] MAvL anyone tried the latest beta of ClearOS 6.5?
[21:00] marclaporte MAvL: yes, beta and beta2
[21:01] marclaporte It's very nice
[21:01] MAvL okay
[21:01] MAvL I have to try it also
[21:01] marclaporte And there is even some groundwork done for 7
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[21:02] MAvL Nice...
[21:03] MAvL Peter said that we maybe see a beta of 7 this year
[21:04] MAvL if Red Hat releases of course
[21:07] MAvL in my opinion it's a bit soon after the release of 6.5
[21:09] marclaporte Release early and often!
[21:10] MAvL of course i do not mind
[21:10] MAvL i like all those new features
[21:11] MAvL i think the marketplace is also a great project
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[21:28] q_a_z_steve Lacrocivious: that requires me to email it out afterward then...
[21:41] marclaporte have to go