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seed_worst channel ever
:P 		[00:03]
q_a_z_steveWho owns Tiki|Log2? [00:13]
Lacrociviousq_a_z_steve: That's the logging marclaporte1 set up; I don't know the details [00:15]
q_a_z_stevehello [00:15]
Lacrociviousseed_: Nonsense. There's fresh trout you could have!
seed_: Well, slightly fresh
Maybe not really fresh
In fact, not so much fresh as ... ripe 		[00:17]
cc-daveloperI'm working out the issues with eery.
*erry 		[00:18]
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weird, I come back and all the windows are still open (of course, that's how irssi works) but not in a single room.
So where are we? I know erry is done for now...
cc-daveloper: ^^ 		[00:55]
cc-daveloperhey…sorry…was making dinner
erry is working on authenticating me for who I am. It will probably take until tomorrow. 		[01:02]
Lacrociviouscc-daveloper: Oh, thanks!
Lacrocivious passes around bibs, napkins, and silverware to everyone
I can see why he'd want to do that, as your nick contains a certain flight risk 		[01:03]
q_a_z_steveDave are you no longer registered as Nickname daveloper?
I think that may help...
cc-daveloper: ^^
Lacrocivious: flight risk as in "letters"? 		[01:08]
LacrociviousNo no, as in 'eloper'
Though I hasten to add, *I'm* not eloping with him
...then again, he did make us dinner...
Lacrocivious is conflicted 		[01:12]
q_a_z_steveI've seen him, though not recently. He is a dapper young fellow. [01:18]
LacrociviousIt's that very last part that is the problem [01:20]
q_a_z_stevestigmas [01:20]
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I think we need to get in touch with laporte in order to possibly have every"one" leave the room, should we need it... [01:36]
Lacrociviousq_a_z_steve: He has been here for part of most days [01:39]
q_a_z_steveMuch as I like the bot, it would have to bounce out and then back in...
Again, I'm not sure if that will be required though... 		[01:41]
Lacrociviousq_a_z_steve: It doesn't have any rights that would prevent anything other than its own operation once the chanop invokes privileges, does it? [01:42]
q_a_z_steveerry is sleeping by the way, did he pass the torch before that, or "I'll get with them tomorrow" sort of thing?
Lacrocivious: In order to establish clear OPS sometimes staff will have all but one user exit
So that ChanServ can recognize! 		[01:42]
LacrociviousShould I /part #clearos in anticipation of that happening? [01:43]
q_a_z_steveNo, I Founded that, and still have all I need as far as permissions. [01:51]
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Lacrociviousq_a_z_steve: Before I forget to ask, do you know what ircservices freenode uses? [02:10]
q_a_z_steveI don't know what you mean. [02:11]
LacrociviousThe application providing services [02:11]
q_a_z_steveI don't know. You could probably read up on http://freenode.net I should think, assuming they disclose the technical data. [02:12]
LacrociviousI seem to recall doing that, but I will do it again
The network I run uses the no-longer-maintained eponymous ircservices, but I'm considering Anope instead 		[02:12]
q_a_z_steveI would suggest a #freenode staffer. Can't think of one better than another atm, but they'll steer you in the right direction. [02:17]
LacrociviousAn apt suggestion [02:18]
q_a_z_steveAny chance we will be graced by the likes of Peter Baldwin in the course of this? [02:20]
LacrociviousOne hopes
It was Peter who, in 2003, gave me the iptables rule I needed to isolate subnets off my gateway, and that as much as anything cemented my already high opinion of the product as a serious, supported, capable and comprehensive one 		[02:21]
q_a_z_steveI'm also curious who he was contacting "in the office" back in the days before anyone got on freenode...
TimBurgess perhaps?
cc-daveloper: Where did erry leave off? 		[02:25]
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Where was I when this happened? How long had it been since daveloper had been on: http://irc.tiki.org/irclogger_log/clearfoundation?date=2013-10-03,Thu&sel=9#l5 [03:01]
Lacrociviousq_a_z_steve: All I can tell you is that when I got here on 27 September 2013, there was no one else in-channel. marclaporte came in on 01 October
Oct 01 15:44:03 marclaporte1 It is logged here in case you need: http://irc.tiki.org/irclogger_log/clearfoundation 		[03:15]
q_a_z_steveAt least back when I was passing around the flask we filled out the paperwork, so that no one could take over directly... [03:19]
LacrociviousIt's important [03:28]
q_a_z_steveIt's like the law of gravity, zero suggestions. [03:29]
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MarcelvanLeeuwen: Did I understand correctly? The channels I had created were no longer existing when you looked? Here: http://irc.tiki.org/irclogger_log/clearfoundation?date=2013-10-15,Tue&sel=116#l112 [03:49]
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MarcelvanLeeuwen: /j #clearos just in case. [04:04]
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M_v_L: maybe? [04:19]
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Marcel? [04:42]
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cc-daveloper: you around? [05:15]
cc-daveloperhey [05:15]
q_a_z_steve#freenode jayne is willing to continue, I don't know where erry left off... [05:16]
Have you two connected up?
cc-daveloper: ^ 		[05:21]
cc-davelopereery and i did
but not jayne
i had provided erry one proof of identity and he wanted a second one
i need peter's help for that one 		[05:24]
q_a_z_steveI suggest getting with jayne, to see if there are any other workarounds.
Peter, because he did the paperwork?
Where is Marcel located? NZ? 		[05:25]
cc-daveloperno…erry wanted me to put some random string on www.clearfoundation.com…which I did [05:26]
q_a_z_stevewhat? Like DNS? blarggg [05:26]
cc-daveloperthen he wanted me to put it on code.clearfoundation.com…which I can't do because peter is the release manager and it's his server [05:26]
q_a_z_stevewhy would that have even come up? [05:27]
cc-davelopera dns entry would be easy for me [05:27]
q_a_z_stevewe don't have code posts here yet though, and none of that seems relevant [05:27]
cc-daveloperhe just wants to make sure that I'm part of ClearFoundation instead of just part of ClearCenter [05:28]
q_a_z_steveif I were a CEO of a non-profit off-the-grid fruit stand do you think they would put me through those hoops? No, they'd find something else. [05:28]
cc-daveloperI'm a patient man…I'm not that worried…we don't get hit by spammers yet so … it's all good. [05:28]
q_a_z_stevewhat's another sub.domain we could supplant though, if that's required? What about *.poweredbyclear.com ? [05:29]
cc-daveloperthat is a clear center asset. [05:29]
q_a_z_stevekk [05:30]
cc-daveloperi'm not worried about it…Peter will get the code.clearfoundation.com thing done tomorrow most likely.
Marcel is in the Netherlands.
the best time to check for him is in the morning…which is his afternoon 		[05:30]
q_a_z_steveWell I was working with jayne to see if *I* could do anything about this, sooner. And they were looking at only dealing with one person. We settled on you.
I wonder if I can pull his user over with an /invite or something.
probably not. 		[05:31]
cc-daveloperhe hasn't chatted me yet…so *shrug* [05:32]
q_a_z_steveover to #clearos that is. [05:32]
cc-daveloperis that where he is? [05:32]
q_a_z_steveno, he's been camped in #freenode and here. Not sure how long since he's been active.
btw Tiki|Log2 is useful, but not very clean. I suggest other options, especially for other functions: code posts, greetings, !lastseen, stuff like that. 		[05:33]
LacrociviousHe said he was going to bed, 7 hours 15 minutes ago [05:34]
q_a_z_steveIt's fairly useless to populate logs with a bunch of "idle 52 mins".
You're saying I just missed him? 		[05:34]
LacrociviousBy about an hour and 15 minutes, yeah [05:35]
q_a_z_steveoh, too right. Was thinking more like just 15 mins. [05:36]
LacrociviousHe was M_v_L at the time but he has two instances running, as you can see [05:36]
q_a_z_steveYeah, not sure what's going on there. I have bots running sometimes, but otherwise consolidation... [05:36]
LacrociviousSome of us have multiple systems running in different places; I figured it was that [05:37]
q_a_z_stevesame IP though, and I don't actually know whether both are registered nicks [05:38]
LacrociviousTry a memoserv [05:38]
q_a_z_steveyou mean /memo to him about that? [05:38]
LacrociviousYeah, and if one of them isn't registered, it will whine [05:39]
q_a_z_steve?? [21:39] -!- Irssi: Unknown command: memo
I PM'd, but not sure how else to manage atm
I have a LONG way to go before that happens. 		[05:40]
LacrociviousIt's /msg memoserv send <nick> vitally important message
q_a_z_steve: What, before the free refrigerator magnet? 		[05:43]
q_a_z_steveyeah, yours is #8 [05:44]
LacrociviousWell, if 'the cake is a lie' then so is the free refrigerator magnet
I just wanted to see whether your irssi was working for that 		[05:45]
q_a_z_steveAlso, you assume he'll see it, and know what to do from there...
Lacrocivious: yeah, I just barely turned on emailmemos 		[05:45]
LacrociviousNo, I only pointed out that you could tell whether both nicks were registered. If a nick isn't registered, memoserv fails to send and says so [05:46]
q_a_z_steveM_v_L isn't registered. As I suspected. And also, memoserv sent me a nice little note back saying "they're online, you can talk directly..." [05:53]
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cc-davelopermy name is registered
fwiw 		[06:57]
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M_v_LMorning! [08:03]
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MAvL/WHOIS MAvL
hmmm 		[10:48]
okay that command is not available
ah it's 'WhoIs
how are you doing?
hmmm 		[10:55]
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cc-daveloperhey
how goes it? 		[16:04]
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So, MarcelvanLeeuwen are you learning all about your babysitter abilities?
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cc-daveloperi don't think Marcel is here.
?? 		[17:53]
q_a_z_steveOk, wasn't sure. This is as early as I could manage to jump in after working with him last night.
He is OPS in #clearos , so if we want to, we can resort to that.
cc-daveloper, What's the status with you and Peter and erry... This channel?
or jayne. Just throwing that out again. 		[17:54]
cc-davelopernothing to report yet [17:58]
q_a_z_steveIm hearing erry could be away for the weekend. It could be possible to have someone else pick up where they left off. [18:10]
cc-daveloperyeah…but I don't want to cause them too much work…I'd hate to be the drama group on freenode [18:11]
q_a_z_stevedrama fades. truth is everlasting. Ask in freenode like this: should I wait for erry, or can a staffer assist me now; my question is this... [18:13]
cc-daveloperpatience is a virtue [18:13]
q_a_z_steveDoesn't hurt to ask, especially as everyone collectively wants to get this resolved. I know how valuable YOUR time is!
brb 		[18:17]
hmm, this ios client is viable, perhaps. [18:29]
Off to work, will trade clients there. [18:37]
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q_a_z_stevemarclaporte: How hard is it to set up a Tiki ? We may (if worse comes to worse) want to mirror your setup over to #clearos.
Although I did just hear from erry, and I have nothing to fear atm. 		[19:45]
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q_a_z_steve: Tiki is vey easy to set up and Tuesday, we'll start working on a package for the marketplace 		[20:14]
MAvLHi!
marclaporte, Nice! 		[20:18]
marclaportehi MAvL! [20:18]
q_a_z_steveI was reading about it as I worked backwards on the breadcrumb, it looks quite nice. Is it very customizable? [20:19]
marclaporteq_a_z_steve: Tiki has tons of features, it's paradise for power users
https://tiki.org/FOSS+Web+Application+with+the+most+built-in+features 		[20:20]
q_a_z_steveWhat about making the logs password protected or only available via email, or something? [20:23]
MAvLnot tried tiki yet
but it looks really interesting 		[20:23]
marclaporteq_a_z_steve: I see this like the forum. If you want private chat, you can start a temporary other room, or send private messages. There is also a command to avoid logging of a few lines
eventually, the search engine on the clearfoundation site should search these logs
This is what we are working on Tuesday: https://tiki.org/TikiFestClearOS 		[20:26]
MAvLMAvL checking tiki.org [20:28]
marclaporteare you folks on ClearOS 5 or 6 ? [20:32]
q_a_z_steveThat all seems very cool. The only reason I would think of the option for non-public instances (maybe that's just through installing the software on my ClearBOX) is for internal company chat sessions… I for instance have registered a room for my family to jump into on freenode, when they need to get together and talk about issues with aging parents and things. Not common, but the backlogs become worth their weight in p [20:32]
MAvLMAvL ClearOS 6.x [20:33]
Lacrociviousq_a_z_steve: I think you got cut off after 'weight in pa'
marclaporte: I'm still on 5.2, largely on account of it not being broken, having >300-day uptimes, and me being a lazy sod 		[20:36]
MAvL:) [20:37]
q_a_z_stevePalladium. So I would simply ask whether a logger bot could join my channel and then email me daily, or some other more private option. [20:37]
MAvL300 days uptime is great! [20:38]
LacrociviousI think the record is 408 days; it is generally the span between power outages that exceed the UPS batteries capacity [20:39]
marclaportehttp://colas.nahaboo.net/Software/IrcLogger is what is used for the logs [20:39]
Lacrocivious... or you could simply become /oper and turn on logging in your client [20:40]
marclaporteq_a_z_steve: for private chats, I am planning to experiment with Jitsi and sipXecs. This would provide desktop sharing, audio, video, etc. as well [20:40]
MAvLMAvL going upstairs to grab a mug of coffee [20:44]
q_a_z_steveBring me back a toy!
marclaporte: If I don't need any of that, would be why I aimed for irc as another global resource, but I'll check into those. 		[20:45]
LacrociviousWhat is all this talk about desktop sharing and audio and video??! Why, when I was a youth, cave painting was good enough for *us*! ;-) [20:50]
marclaportehaha [20:51]
Lacrocivious...and before that, why, we simply peed on trees! [20:51]
MAvLlol [20:54]
anyone tried the latest beta of ClearOS 6.5? [20:59]
marclaporteMAvL: yes, beta and beta2
It's very nice 		[21:00]
MAvLokay
I have to try it also 		[21:01]
marclaporteAnd there is even some groundwork done for 7 [21:01]
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MAvLNice...
Peter said that we maybe see a beta of 7 this year
if Red Hat releases of course
in my opinion it's a bit soon after the release of 6.5 		[21:02]
marclaporteRelease early and often! [21:09]
MAvLof course i do not mind
i like all those new features
i think the marketplace is also a great project 		[21:10]
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Lacrocivious: that requires me to email it out afterward then... 		[21:24]
marclaportehave to go [21:41]
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