seed_: :P q_a_z_steve: Who owns Tiki|Log2? Lacrocivious: q_a_z_steve: That's the logging marclaporte1 set up; I don't know the details q_a_z_steve: hello Lacrocivious: seed_: Nonsense. There's fresh trout you could have!
seed_: Well, slightly fresh
Maybe not really fresh
In fact, not so much fresh as ... ripe cc-daveloper: I'm working out the issues with eery.
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weird, I come back and all the windows are still open (of course, that's how irssi works) but not in a single room.
So where are we? I know erry is done for now...
cc-daveloper: ^^ cc-daveloper: hey…sorry…was making dinner
erry is working on authenticating me for who I am. It will probably take until tomorrow. Lacrocivious: cc-daveloper: Oh, thanks! -: Lacrocivious passes around bibs, napkins, and silverware to everyone Lacrocivious: I can see why he'd want to do that, as your nick contains a certain flight risk q_a_z_steve: Dave are you no longer registered as Nickname daveloper?
I think that may help...
cc-daveloper: ^^
Lacrocivious: flight risk as in "letters"? Lacrocivious: No no, as in 'eloper'
Though I hasten to add, *I'm* not eloping with him
...then again, he did make us dinner... -: Lacrocivious is conflicted q_a_z_steve: I've seen him, though not recently. He is a dapper young fellow. Lacrocivious: It's that very last part that is the problem q_a_z_steve: stigmas
I think we need to get in touch with laporte in order to possibly have every"one" leave the room, should we need it... Lacrocivious: q_a_z_steve: He has been here for part of most days q_a_z_steve: Much as I like the bot, it would have to bounce out and then back in...
Again, I'm not sure if that will be required though... Lacrocivious: q_a_z_steve: It doesn't have any rights that would prevent anything other than its own operation once the chanop invokes privileges, does it? q_a_z_steve: erry is sleeping by the way, did he pass the torch before that, or "I'll get with them tomorrow" sort of thing?
Lacrocivious: In order to establish clear OPS sometimes staff will have all but one user exit
So that ChanServ can recognize! Lacrocivious: Should I /part #clearos in anticipation of that happening? q_a_z_steve: No, I Founded that, and still have all I need as far as permissions. Lacrocivious: q_a_z_steve: Before I forget to ask, do you know what ircservices freenode uses? q_a_z_steve: I don't know what you mean. Lacrocivious: The application providing services q_a_z_steve: I don't know. You could probably read up on http://freenode.net I should think, assuming they disclose the technical data. Lacrocivious: I seem to recall doing that, but I will do it again
The network I run uses the no-longer-maintained eponymous ircservices, but I'm considering Anope instead q_a_z_steve: I would suggest a #freenode staffer. Can't think of one better than another atm, but they'll steer you in the right direction. Lacrocivious: An apt suggestion q_a_z_steve: Any chance we will be graced by the likes of Peter Baldwin in the course of this? Lacrocivious: One hopes
It was Peter who, in 2003, gave me the iptables rule I needed to isolate subnets off my gateway, and that as much as anything cemented my already high opinion of the product as a serious, supported, capable and comprehensive one q_a_z_steve: I'm also curious who he was contacting "in the office" back in the days before anyone got on freenode...
TimBurgess perhaps?
cc-daveloper: Where did erry leave off?
Where was I when this happened? How long had it been since daveloper had been on: http://irc.tiki.org/irclogger_log/clearfoundation?date=2013-10-03,Thu&sel=9#l5 Lacrocivious: q_a_z_steve: All I can tell you is that when I got here on 27 September 2013, there was no one else in-channel. marclaporte came in on 01 October
Oct 01 15:44:03 marclaporte1 It is logged here in case you need: http://irc.tiki.org/irclogger_log/clearfoundation q_a_z_steve: At least back when I was passing around the flask we filled out the paperwork, so that no one could take over directly... Lacrocivious: It's important q_a_z_steve: It's like the law of gravity, zero suggestions.
MarcelvanLeeuwen: Did I understand correctly? The channels I had created were no longer existing when you looked? Here: http://irc.tiki.org/irclogger_log/clearfoundation?date=2013-10-15,Tue&sel=116#l112
MarcelvanLeeuwen: /j #clearos just in case.
M_v_L: maybe?
Marcel?
cc-daveloper: you around? cc-daveloper: hey q_a_z_steve: #freenode jayne is willing to continue, I don't know where erry left off...
Have you two connected up?
cc-daveloper: ^ cc-daveloper: eery and i did
but not jayne
i had provided erry one proof of identity and he wanted a second one
i need peter's help for that one q_a_z_steve: I suggest getting with jayne, to see if there are any other workarounds.
Peter, because he did the paperwork?
Where is Marcel located? NZ? cc-daveloper: no…erry wanted me to put some random string on www.clearfoundation.com…which I did q_a_z_steve: what? Like DNS? blarggg cc-daveloper: then he wanted me to put it on code.clearfoundation.com…which I can't do because peter is the release manager and it's his server q_a_z_steve: why would that have even come up? cc-daveloper: a dns entry would be easy for me q_a_z_steve: we don't have code posts here yet though, and none of that seems relevant cc-daveloper: he just wants to make sure that I'm part of ClearFoundation instead of just part of ClearCenter q_a_z_steve: if I were a CEO of a non-profit off-the-grid fruit stand do you think they would put me through those hoops? No, they'd find something else. cc-daveloper: I'm a patient man…I'm not that worried…we don't get hit by spammers yet so … it's all good. q_a_z_steve: what's another sub.domain we could supplant though, if that's required? What about *.poweredbyclear.com ? cc-daveloper: that is a clear center asset. q_a_z_steve: kk cc-daveloper: i'm not worried about it…Peter will get the code.clearfoundation.com thing done tomorrow most likely.
Marcel is in the Netherlands.
the best time to check for him is in the morning…which is his afternoon q_a_z_steve: Well I was working with jayne to see if *I* could do anything about this, sooner. And they were looking at only dealing with one person. We settled on you.
I wonder if I can pull his user over with an /invite or something.
probably not. cc-daveloper: he hasn't chatted me yet…so *shrug* q_a_z_steve: over to #clearos that is. cc-daveloper: is that where he is? q_a_z_steve: no, he's been camped in #freenode and here. Not sure how long since he's been active.
btw Tiki|Log2 is useful, but not very clean. I suggest other options, especially for other functions: code posts, greetings, !lastseen, stuff like that. Lacrocivious: He said he was going to bed, 7 hours 15 minutes ago q_a_z_steve: It's fairly useless to populate logs with a bunch of "idle 52 mins".
You're saying I just missed him? Lacrocivious: By about an hour and 15 minutes, yeah q_a_z_steve: oh, too right. Was thinking more like just 15 mins. Lacrocivious: He was M_v_L at the time but he has two instances running, as you can see q_a_z_steve: Yeah, not sure what's going on there. I have bots running sometimes, but otherwise consolidation... Lacrocivious: Some of us have multiple systems running in different places; I figured it was that q_a_z_steve: same IP though, and I don't actually know whether both are registered nicks Lacrocivious: Try a memoserv q_a_z_steve: you mean /memo to him about that? Lacrocivious: Yeah, and if one of them isn't registered, it will whine q_a_z_steve: ?? [21:39] -!- Irssi: Unknown command: memo
I PM'd, but not sure how else to manage atm
I have a LONG way to go before that happens. Lacrocivious: It's /msg memoserv send <nick> vitally important message
q_a_z_steve: What, before the free refrigerator magnet? q_a_z_steve: yeah, yours is #8 Lacrocivious: Well, if 'the cake is a lie' then so is the free refrigerator magnet
I just wanted to see whether your irssi was working for that q_a_z_steve: Also, you assume he'll see it, and know what to do from there...
Lacrocivious: yeah, I just barely turned on emailmemos Lacrocivious: No, I only pointed out that you could tell whether both nicks were registered. If a nick isn't registered, memoserv fails to send and says so q_a_z_steve: M_v_L isn't registered. As I suspected. And also, memoserv sent me a nice little note back saying "they're online, you can talk directly..." cc-daveloper: my name is registered
fwiw M_v_L: Morning! MAvL: /WHOIS MAvL
hmmm
okay that command is not available
ah it's 'WhoIs
how are you doing?
hmmm
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moved to HexChat cc-daveloper: hey
how goes it? q_a_z_steve: joined #clearfoundation
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So, MarcelvanLeeuwen are you learning all about your babysitter abilities?
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joined #clearfoundation cc-daveloper: i don't think Marcel is here.
?? q_a_z_steve: Ok, wasn't sure. This is as early as I could manage to jump in after working with him last night.
He is OPS in #clearos , so if we want to, we can resort to that.
cc-daveloper, What's the status with you and Peter and erry... This channel?
or jayne. Just throwing that out again. cc-daveloper: nothing to report yet q_a_z_steve: Im hearing erry could be away for the weekend. It could be possible to have someone else pick up where they left off. cc-daveloper: yeah…but I don't want to cause them too much work…I'd hate to be the drama group on freenode q_a_z_steve: drama fades. truth is everlasting. Ask in freenode like this: should I wait for erry, or can a staffer assist me now; my question is this... cc-daveloper: patience is a virtue q_a_z_steve: Doesn't hurt to ask, especially as everyone collectively wants to get this resolved. I know how valuable YOUR time is!
brb
hmm, this ios client is viable, perhaps.
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Although I did just hear from erry, and I have nothing to fear atm. MAvL: joined #clearfoundation marclaporte: joined #clearfoundation
q_a_z_steve: Tiki is vey easy to set up and Tuesday, we'll start working on a package for the marketplace MAvL: Hi!
marclaporte, Nice! marclaporte: hi MAvL! q_a_z_steve: I was reading about it as I worked backwards on the breadcrumb, it looks quite nice. Is it very customizable? marclaporte: q_a_z_steve: Tiki has tons of features, it's paradise for power users
https://tiki.org/FOSS+Web+Application+with+the+most+built-in+features q_a_z_steve: What about making the logs password protected or only available via email, or something? MAvL: not tried tiki yet
but it looks really interesting marclaporte: q_a_z_steve: I see this like the forum. If you want private chat, you can start a temporary other room, or send private messages. There is also a command to avoid logging of a few lines
eventually, the search engine on the clearfoundation site should search these logs
This is what we are working on Tuesday: https://tiki.org/TikiFestClearOS -: MAvL checking tiki.org marclaporte: are you folks on ClearOS 5 or 6 ? q_a_z_steve: That all seems very cool. The only reason I would think of the option for non-public instances (maybe that's just through installing the software on my ClearBOX) is for internal company chat sessions… I for instance have registered a room for my family to jump into on freenode, when they need to get together and talk about issues with aging parents and things. Not common, but the backlogs become worth their weight in p -: MAvL ClearOS 6.x Lacrocivious: q_a_z_steve: I think you got cut off after 'weight in pa'
marclaporte: I'm still on 5.2, largely on account of it not being broken, having >300-day uptimes, and me being a lazy sod MAvL: :) q_a_z_steve: Palladium. So I would simply ask whether a logger bot could join my channel and then email me daily, or some other more private option. MAvL: 300 days uptime is great! Lacrocivious: I think the record is 408 days; it is generally the span between power outages that exceed the UPS batteries capacity marclaporte: http://colas.nahaboo.net/Software/IrcLogger is what is used for the logs Lacrocivious: ... or you could simply become /oper and turn on logging in your client marclaporte: q_a_z_steve: for private chats, I am planning to experiment with Jitsi and sipXecs. This would provide desktop sharing, audio, video, etc. as well -: MAvL going upstairs to grab a mug of coffee q_a_z_steve: Bring me back a toy!
marclaporte: If I don't need any of that, would be why I aimed for irc as another global resource, but I'll check into those. Lacrocivious: What is all this talk about desktop sharing and audio and video??! Why, when I was a youth, cave painting was good enough for *us*! ;-) marclaporte: haha Lacrocivious: ...and before that, why, we simply peed on trees! MAvL: lol
anyone tried the latest beta of ClearOS 6.5? marclaporte: MAvL: yes, beta and beta2
It's very nice MAvL: okay
I have to try it also marclaporte: And there is even some groundwork done for 7 q_a_z_steve: joined #clearfoundation MAvL: Nice...
Peter said that we maybe see a beta of 7 this year
if Red Hat releases of course
in my opinion it's a bit soon after the release of 6.5 marclaporte: Release early and often! MAvL: of course i do not mind
i like all those new features
i think the marketplace is also a great project q_a_z_steve: joined #clearfoundation
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Lacrocivious: that requires me to email it out afterward then... marclaporte: have to go