#tikiwiki 2008-07-17,Thu

mlpvolt

blogs/articles - i have had similar thoughts

chiba_talking

hi mlpvolt

mlpvolt

i'm fighting the urge to "bliki" instead of blog

http://sourceforge.net/community/forum/topic.php?id=2902&page&replies=1

chiba_talking

When Tiki's blog design was done originally, maybe the label was needed because blobs were newer.
But now everyone knows the format.

[15:34]

mlpvolt

- to create a blog looking wiki template.

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[15:34]

mlpvolt

having fun testing 2.0 - hit a stumbling block - the install.php - can't seem to reactivate it.

[15:35]

zorp

you mean tiki-setup.php?

[15:36]

mlpvolt

i think i had a bad DB upgrade on this test so i wanted to go back and run it again - re-uploaded the tiki-install.php
this may be the problem - if there are changes i don't know about.
the problem is that running tiki-install.php keeps bouncing me back to the home page.

[15:36]

zorp

you sure you don't mean tiki-setup.php?

[15:38]

chibaguy

mlpvolt, is that a new install or an update?

[15:38]

mlpvolt

it was an upgrade from 1.10 rc1 to 2

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[15:39]

mlpvolt

i wiped the whole file tree, uploaded the 2.0 release and pointed to tiki-install.php
- the usual procedure

[15:40]

chibaguy

How far do you get through the install page?

[15:41]

mlpvolt

i selected the 1.9 to 2.0 upgrade and ran it.
however it was a little wierd - it skipped the step where it says "upgrade complete" then the choices to proceed to homepage and disable installer or not. - it took me straight to the homepage.
i would like to run the installer again but now pointing to tiki-install.php lands me on the home page.

[15:42]

chibaguy

The only 1.10b to 2.0 upgrade I've done, I just overwrote files and updated the db, so I didn't test the install page.

[15:45]

mlpvolt

i looked and the code for install.php and at the end there was (not claiming to be much of a coder) something that looked like a smarty variable for "installer disabled" and maybe that was "on" and i was being redirected.

[15:46]

chibaguy

Maybe ask on the dev mailing list.

[15:48]

mlpvolt

plus there is a whole new "installer" folder now that is new to me.
so i'm confused now. :)

[15:48]

mstef

svn switch is very slow for me, anyone else noticed this?

[15:49]

Caarrie

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mlpvolt

mstef: yeah sylvie said yesterday they were moving a server.

mstef

caralluna: thanks again

Caarrie

that is not my name :P

mlpvolt

chiba: thanks

mstef

s/caralluna/Caarrie/g

Caarrie

mstef

Caarrie: sorry

Caarrie

its ok

mstef

Caarrie: i read that on the sf.net forum, but didn't expect such a massive impact.

[15:51]

Caarrie

i cant even view the svn log on sf

[15:51]

mstef

well, what would happen if i ^c the switch?
hmm, nothing happens...
wow, after almost half a minute it caught the signal...

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chibaguy

time to sleep in the far east; cya later.

[15:56]

zorp

g'night

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Darkbee

I've come to pester people with questions again.
A quick question: Does the calender module provide an event recurrence feature? i.e. a event that happens with repeating frequency such as a birthday.

[17:10]

sylvieg

not yet

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Darkbee

thx

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Darkbee

What are considered the most stable/robust themes for 1.9.11? and will those be good for 2.0 or should I look to the new themes?
Darkbee ... always with the questions :o

[17:30]

caralluna

caralluna likes those ;-)

[17:31]

sylvieg

in 1.9 it was tikineat - but tikineat will not be anymore maintain in 2.0 as 2.0 is tableless layout

[17:31]

caralluna

caralluna learns a lot too ;-)

[17:31]

sylvieg

for 2.0 ask chibaguy - not sure which one will be the leader theme
sorry 3.0
we are in a transition

[17:32]

caralluna

caralluna is hoping darkroom ... it's beautiful ... of faulkner
of=or

[17:33]

Darkbee

well tableless is certainly the more standards compliant approach and one I'd probably advocate... I guess I'd better not get too fond of any particular theme... seems like things are a changin' (for the better I might add)
thanks again sylvieg

[17:36]

caralluna

yeah ... alot of the new themes are beautiful
...but too much white for my liking in many of them

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[17:37]

Darkbee

white can make it easier to read, but I know what you mean.
Too many shades of grey (if you include white as a shade of grey) ;)

[17:39]

caralluna

white has nothing to do with gray imho ... I think white is useless as background on computer screens ;-)

[17:40]

Darkbee

I feel so sad... I was really happy this morning because I figured out how to create a phplayers menu module...then realized that it is listed as predefined choice for custom modules.
caralluna: So what is the best background colour?

[17:41]

caralluna

black

[17:41]

Darkbee

Darkbee thinks lime green.... in another universe

[17:41]

caralluna

or gray
dark gray that is ;-)

[17:42]

Darkbee

you should like the "trollparty" theme then! ;)
it's pretty .... pretty "in yer face!"
:D

[17:42]

caralluna

yah, and planetfall ... and underworld
but I think both darkroom and trollparty has too big fonts
at least on the mac, not that big on Windows it seems

[17:43]

Darkbee

one day when I'm feeling brave I'll pick a theme I like that need modifications and make them.
but I still feel like I'm getting to know my way around Tiki first
I still keep finding new features or things that I didn't know about and I've been using it for a couple of months! Never ceases to amaze me.

[17:46]

caralluna

i took a quick walkthrough of of the drakroom theme, made fonts a bit smaller and margins smaller ... with that I learnt a lot of how *not* to do it ;-)
btw: caralluna = Hansi_MP/Hansi_MBP :-P

[17:48]

zorp

hehe
like woody allen said - you are never alone with schizophrenia

[17:49]

caralluna

lol no ;-)
O though that it would be a nice thing to have the same name here as I have on the tw.o sites ;-)

[17:50]

Darkbee

Darkbee sees a lightbulb above his head

[17:51]

caralluna

lol
also, caralluna has been my main nick for 10-15 years or so ;-)

[17:51]

Darkbee

guess trollparty would be no good for the iphone then either if the fonts are too big :P

[17:51]

caralluna

it' not that bad there
..but I would like them a little smaller
...but phpmenulayers seems not to work in Opera mini :-(

[17:52]

Darkbee

bigger is better so I've been told

[17:53]

caralluna

caralluna disagrees ;-)

[17:53]

Darkbee

Darkbee has never used Opera... mini or otherwise

[17:54]

caralluna

<3 Opera :-P

[17:54]

Darkbee

I was resistant to Firefox for a long time but then I just got fed up with IE and other browsers using the IE engine.

[17:54]

caralluna

if you have a phone it works on it's simply marvellous
The only sensible use of Java I've seen ;-)
(it is in Java, right) ;-)

[17:55]

Darkbee

my phone can barely display pictures... never mind a browser

[17:55]

caralluna

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Darkbee

in fact, I'm lucky it even has any colour but it works quite nicely to make phone calls.
I assume Java yes... kinda be hard to write a browser in Javascript :)

[17:56]

caralluna

a lot of people are using phones to make calls ... what's with that? ;-)

[17:56]

Darkbee

what next? people using feet to walk to places! What is the world coming to!

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caralluna

caralluna shakes his head looking all surprised

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koko

hi All

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zorp

hey

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goramba

I know I'm going to feel dumb once I figure it out, but I'm wanting to have a series of wiki pages you can drill down through. So on the menu it has "Maryland" that they can click and get a list of cities, or if ones not listed they can create one, then drill-down as far as they want. That seems so easy but I'm missing the checkmark or something! :)

[18:51]

amette

goramba: check out structures

[18:59]

goramba

where would I find that?

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Darkbee

goramba: wiki pages can be put in sequence sort of like what you describe. When you do this, it's known as a structure.
look under the wiki options
wiki menu

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[19:08]

mstef

is it possible to have a summary in the blog rss feed, instead of the whole blogpost? ...page... doesn't seem to work

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[19:17]

caralluna

I get a weird problem with the RSS feeds
When I try to write a descriptoion for the Formu feeds, that description just disappears

[19:26]

also, the name I have set for calendars feed seems to be ignored
any ideas?

[19:35]

mstef

caralluna: what version are you using?

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caralluna

It says 2.0 RC2, but I thought we still were on RC1 ;-) Anyway, 2.0 SVN branch

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goramba

I'm losing it. What "wiki menu" do people keep referring to that contains the structures?? I click on Wiki under the standard menu and just get the home page of it, nothing else. In the Admin section the only thing abuot it is something to do with viewing pages as structures...what the huh

[19:47]

luciash

goramba, click the folder image of the Wiki item to expand it

[19:50]

goramba

I'm...a damn...idiot. wow. NOT used to having to click specifically on the folder. Thank you! hah..wooh

[19:51]

luciash

goramba: well, it's usability issue, not your fault ;)

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[19:52]

goramba

do you know of a theme or something that makes it more of clear a tree style? maybe fixes that a little.

[19:53]

caralluna

maybe planetfall puts it clearer

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luciash

i don't think so, maybe planetfall, yup

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SEWilco2

Some themes have plus signs instead of folder icons.

caralluna

...or one of those with +/-
yeah ;-)
dont remember any names though

SEWilco2

goramba: are you a tw.o editor? Say no if you don't know what that means.

luciash

LOL

goramba

mmm. no

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SEWilco2

goramba: OK. I'll try to add a table of theme characteristics to the theme documentation. It won't help you right now, but will help others later.

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caralluna_

good idea :-)

[19:56]

goramba

Oh yeah that would be awesome.

[19:57]

caralluna_

including the color base (dark/light) would be nice in such a table?

[19:57]

SEWilco2

Yeah. I just waded through the default themes, trying to pick something suitable. Guess I'll get to do it some more in the coming weeks.

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SEWilco2

#tikiwiki: now with more Carallunas than ever!

[19:59]

caralluna

lol yeah, sorry about that ;-)
caralluna=Hansi_MP/Hansi_MBP :-)
probably makes sense having the same nick here as I do on the tw.o sites

[19:59]

amette

oooooh, one of those schizophrenic guys... ;)

[20:00]

SEWilco2

No problem. I'm too far down the user list for most to notice I'm in twice also. Left my home machine in.

[20:00]

amette

amette nods with a vengeance about having one and the same nick.... :P

[20:00]

SEWilco2

caralluna: You're a Member of Parliament?

[20:01]

caralluna

in addition I'm testing out other IRC clients, so if I forget loggin out it could be pretty crowded of me ;-)
uhm ... no, what makes you say that? :-)

[20:01]

SEWilco2

"MP"

Darkbee

Darkbee is heading on out.

caralluna

lol lo ;-) just designates which machine I'm loggend in on ... MP=MacPro, MBP=MacBook Pro

SEWilco2

I get worse when I have the N800 on my hip in IRC, and it decides to hop between various Wifi and phone links as I move around.

caralluna

caralluna waves to Darkbee
lol

Darkbee

IP=iPhone ;)
bye

SEWilco2

Darkbee darkens our neighborhood with his departure.

caralluna

lol yeah ;-)
lol

Darkbee

I saw that! :P

caralluna

HEY! Where'd the lights go? :-P

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[20:04]

caralluna

Aybody have an idea about my RSS problem I posted earlier?
though I might have posted it as Hansi_MP :-P

[20:07]

SEWilco2

SEWilco2 scrolls up
A feed wasn't appearing, as well as a calendar with a specific name?
Do you have categories on any of those materials? (I've been reading about the new category permissions...)

[20:10]

mstef

yeah, sorry i was off, what version do you use?

[20:11]

caralluna

the feed appears OK, but the description I enter in the admin just disappears
2.0RC2 it says menaning RC1 SVN

[20:11]

SEWilco2

Any special characters in the description such as quote or apostrophe?

[20:12]

caralluna

The calendar ignores what I type in in the title (but the title I type in remains in the title field in admin)

[20:13]

SEWilco2

By "feed" do you mean outgoing feed (a URL in your site) or an RSS-fed module showing stuff from another source?

[20:13]

caralluna

nop, only a dot and normal letters
outgoing feed yes

[20:13]

SEWilco2

I haven't set up an outgoing feed yet, and I'm on 1.9.11. Anyone in the peanut gallery...?

[20:14]

caralluna

peanut gallery?

[20:15]

SEWilco2

The people sitting in those bleachers, off-camera.

[20:15]

caralluna

;-)

[20:16]

mstef

caralluna: i can confirm your problem.

[20:17]

SEWilco2

Try taking out the dot and using, oh.. a six-character name, for testing. Just in case that matters.

[20:18]

caralluna

thanks, that's a start ;-)

[20:18]

mstef

it looks like title_rss_calendars is not set in tiki-calendars_rss

[20:18]

SEWilco2

mstef: Ah, so there's no code to display the title? That would explain the symptom.

[20:19]

mstef

no the code is there, but there is no value to display.

[20:19]

caralluna

though the title i keyed in on the blogs feed and wiki feed works fine, title and all

mstef

whoops

sylvieg

I found the bug on calendar rss - 2 secs

SEWilco2

Oh, so the title is not being retrieved, so the code displays the nothing which it knows?
English tends to get contorted when talking about nothings.

mstef

exactly
:)

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caralluna

hmmm... blogs and wiki feeds are the only ones with data ... could that be something
the other ones are enabled and active, but have no data yet

[20:22]

SEWilco2

caralluna: Sounds like they found a bug, which will probably be fixed in short order.

[20:24]

caralluna

good :-)

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sylvieg

thre are a messing confusuion in the rss betwwen rss_calendar and rss_calendarS

[20:25]

caralluna

is that also the case regarding the forums feed?
though it's not the same kind of problem there, so I guess not

[20:26]

SEWilco2

I think they're not responding because their eyes are busy in editor screens, as mine are with a different problem.

[20:30]

caralluna

Yeah, guess so ;-)

[20:30]

sylvieg

dammit - sourceforge is dead again

[20:30]

SEWilco2

caralluna: If you have to leave.. well, you're on 2.0 so you expected to have to fetch new versions. Test for a fix in several days before filing a formal bug report.

[20:31]

caralluna

I'm updating all the time ;-)
...and I usually stay logged on, so I can read any fixes that comes up :-)

[20:32]

goramba

I noticed when I added a page that the structure didn't change. It says (cached) at the top and I'm wondering if that's why....or is it?

[20:32]

sylvieg

can somebody else do a svn update . I have svn: PROPFIND of '/svnroot/tikiwiki/trunk': Could not read status line: Connection reset by peer (https://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net)

[20:33]

SEWilco2

goramba: Yes, you're probably seeing a cached (old) version. There's a refresh method someplace.

[20:34]

goramba

hmm
awful annoying :)

[20:36]

caralluna

You can disable the caching I think
though I don't remember exactly where at the moment

[20:36]

goramba

http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Cache - "RFE - It would be very nice if there was a way of purging the cache via the tiki interface."

[20:37]

sylvieg

I can not commit - but the fix is $feed="calendar"; in tiki-calendars_rss.php
and what is the other feed that is not working?

[20:37]

caralluna

Forums - when I input a title for the feed in the RSS admin, the titleI inout just disappears when I press apply

[20:38]

SEWilco2

goramba: I found mention of adding at the end of the url: &refresh=1

[20:40]

caralluna

and there are others that doesn't retain the title ... It seems OK in the admin, but when I subscribe to the feeds it hasn't got the title I gave it

[20:40]

goramba

SEWilco awesome that worked. Any idea how to keep cache off? When people make modifications it's kind of strange that they don't show up automatically. Might confuse people into doing it over and over.

[20:41]

caralluna

I think default chache time is 5 minutes or so?

[20:41]

goramba

I managed to create two pages that showed up in the structure twice under the same name because of it.
Ahh found it
Admin-Wiki-"Cache wiki pages(global) - set to 0 (no cache)

[20:41]

koko

I made a file galley but I can't edit the name of I can't replace it
can anyone confirm this issue?
I didn't put it in the buglist yet, because i first want to have it confirmed

[20:44]

SEWilco2

goramba: There are cache options someplace in admin options.
koko: The name of the file gallery is "I can't replace it"?

[20:46]

koko

of = or
sorry, a dutch word slipped through

[20:47]

SEWilco2

koko: What name did you use? Any special characters?

[20:48]

koko

no, the name was: avondactiviteit (not even a capital)
I also can't get it deleted

[20:49]

SEWilco2

koko: Which TW version? Is the file gallery stored in database or in a directory? (I don't remember if that is even a configuration option)

[20:50]

koko

1.9
and stored in DB

[20:50]

caralluna

SEWilco2: Yeah, you can configure it, at least in 2.0

[20:51]

SEWilco2

I don't have any suggestions. Anyone else?

[20:52]

koko

also the Javescript options (when you click on the tool-icon) don't work

[20:53]

caralluna

When I get those kind of problems I go directly into the database usually, but that is probably not the recommended thing to do

[20:53]

koko

the page reloads, but it seems to do nothing
I also got into DB
but I prefer TikiWiki

[20:54]

caralluna

be very careful when you go the DB way, I have screwed up many times ;-)
yea me too

[20:55]

koko

hhmm ... best to file a bug?

[20:55]

zorp

koko - if you have time
just hang out a while

koko

I have time

zorp

there have been discussions

SEWilco2

So far I've only had to go in the DB when I made the admin pages stop displaying. I configured one thing the wrong way and the PHP blew up before emitting HTML.

zorp

about that issue

koko

ah?

zorp

well - file gallery in general

koko

ok
has there anything been decided allready?

zorp

what do you mean?

koko

in the discussions

zorp

nope
the file galery just comes up
bugs and all
so some of the dev people may have encountered it
lemme know what you did and I will try to verify
or you can try to verify it on http://www.opensourcecms.com/cms/tiki/admin.html
but I noticed some one has seriously messed with the settings there :)

[20:58]

caralluna

give it

[21:00]

koko

I made a file gallery and saved it (so it was created), netxt I selected the file gallery I wanted to move and I hit the edit icon (under the list)

[21:00]

caralluna

give it max two hours, and the messed settings will disappear (opensourcecms.com) ;-)

[21:01]

koko

opensourceCMS got reset :-D

[21:03]

caralluna

:-) They do every two hours :-)
omg I spent many hours there :-)

[21:03]

zorp

ok - I can edit the name of a gallery
are you trying to move an individual file?

[21:04]

koko

hhmm ... I can also there

[21:04]

zorp

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caralluna

what version are you using koko?
where you have the problem

[21:05]

koko

I'm checking right now

[21:05]

zorp

have you checked the admin configurations for file galleries
it may be something with the file stored in the database vs. file stored in folder

[21:05]

koko

1.10.0b1

[21:06]

SEWilco2

koko: were you doing this as an admin or a user? Maybe user doesn't have a gallery permission in his group?

[21:06]

koko

admin

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caralluna

I've got that on my test server, so I can test it ...
zorp, what version did you test it on?

[21:07]

zorp

I thought koko said 1.9 before so I checked it on 1.9
but 1.10 has had issues with the galeries

[21:08]

koko

I also thought I used 1.9

zorp

and if it works on 2.0 then there really is no point in reporting it...

caralluna

koko

no, that's a fact
I'll try to update my wiki

zorp

make sure you backup your db!
:)

koko

caralluna

...an filedir :-)

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koko

ok, I'll follow the instructions on updating

zorp

koko
hang on
lemme try it on my 1.10

koko

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zorp

then we can see if it is your settings
or a bug

[21:11]

koko

Is there anyone here using the contact manager? I'm writing a text about TikiWiki and CRM, but I'd like to check my opnion with some other TW'ers

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[21:12]

zorp

ok - I enabled the file galeries, created one, renamed it and deleted it without problems

[21:15]

koko

hhmm ... I'll have to check my settings
Will come back to that again later

[21:15]

zorp

i would check
if in your general settings
if you store to the database
or in a seperate folder
and if you store to a folder if that folder is set up properly

[21:16]

caralluna

I can't even find the rename option

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zorp

and if the feature php-layers dynamic menu is enabled

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koko

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zorp

hey

a13x

i moved my wiki to a different server and now i get an error

caralluna

good luck koko :-)

koko

a13x

PHP Warning: session_start() [<a href='function.session-start'>function.session-start</a>]: open(/var/lib/php/session/sess_q35ff5okth6rqlj269b6akag75, O_RDWR) failed: Permission denied (13)
i can't log in

zorp

eek

caralluna

I gotta go to bed ... see you 2morrow folks! Thanks for great help tonight! :-)

zorp

c'ya caralluna

koko

see you tomorrow

zorp

a13x didn't you have login problems yesterday too?

a13x

not yesterday
i didn't solve it

zorp

a13x

the problem is session files are owned by apache