#tikiwiki 2008-07-28,Mon

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Gnea	hi all, i'm trying to figure out where my problem is - i'm running 1.9.11 with apache2 on ubuntu server, but it won't work - what i mean by that, is that when i plug the virtual domain into a browser and press enter, it takes me to the root directory of the main domain... ie. if i put in: http://www.garson.org, it gets forwarded to http://garson.org and nothing shows up.	[00:06]
franck	fane: you here?	[00:08]
fane	yes	[00:08]
franck	marclaporte: no alert on dev.tikiwiki.org fane: did you see anything special on dev?	[00:08]
TimK	i am able to access the site	[00:08]
franck	marclaporte: meet fane	[00:08]
TimK	no criticals franck	[00:08]
franck	fane: meet marclaporte marclaporte: meet TimK too ;)	[00:08]
TimK	Hi guys	[00:09]
marclaporte	hi TimK! hi fane!	[00:10]
fane	hi:)	[00:10]
Gnea	thanks for the ignorance?	[00:10]
franck	Gnea: you did not set a redirection under tikiwiki ? or use the wrong domain in admin->general	[00:11]
Gnea	franck: i don't think you understand... admin->general does not exist... what redirection are you referring to, exactly?	[00:12]
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Gnea	wow, talk about crap support or not franck: i don't think you understand... admin->general does not exist... what redirection are you referring to, exactly?	[00:12]
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franck	Gnea: I'm not answering your question, you are rude and insulting, come back when you are polite	[00:13]
amette	franck: +1	[00:13]
Gnea	franck: i'm sorry, i came in and was blatantly ignored - THAT was rude and insulting. But, I am past that, hopefully you are, too.	[00:14]
amette	Gnea: that is not rude and insulting - it is how open source works - we are all voluntarily in here!	[00:14]
franck	Gnea: well people are doing support for free here, if you want people to be at your whim, send us some $$$	[00:14]
amette	if you want support that you can call and get an answer - then buy it! And yes, that is possible even with open source software like TikiWiki (and especially with TikiWiki)!	[00:15]
Gnea	are you done?	[00:15]
amette	If you want a telephone hotline like with Microsoft where "someone got its rear end on the telephone line" (original cite from Ballmer) - then you are doubly wrong in an IRC chat channel!	[00:15]
franck	Gnea: now that all is clead dig www.garson.org fails, check your DNS settings	[00:16]
Gnea	apparently not.	[00:16]
amette	sorry to say it that directly - but it's just as things are!	[00:16]
Gnea	franck: okay. franck: they're fine.	[00:16]
franck	Gnea: give me the e-mail of your parents, so I can tell them to teach you good manners :D	[00:17]
Gnea	heh	[00:17]
amette	ok, enough bashing in here, I think... ;) let's get too "business" as usual :)	[00:17]
franck	Gnea: this seems to me a DNS problem or and apache config problem	[00:18]
dthacker	I get no return from www.garson.org	[00:18]
Gnea	franck: i already took care of DNS.	[00:18]
franck	Gnea: check it on www.dnsstuff.com	[00:18]
Gnea	okay. that doesn't really help.	[00:19]
dthacker	Gnea: at minimum, your DNS is not propagating correctly or has not propagated yet.	[00:23]
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Gnea	wtf... dthacker: yes, i sort of see the problem now	[00:27]
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amette	amette nods veeeery slowly and goes to bed	[00:33]
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Gnea	franck: thank you for your help so far. dthacker: and thank you, too.	[00:43]
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dthacker	np. just remember that a) the channel is frequently very slow b) everyone is a volunteer c) your answer may show up hours later	[00:45]
Gnea	I am cool with that. Again, I'm sorry for getting out of hand before.	[00:45]
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chibaguy	Firefox 3 has some irritating bugs. Since switching to ff3 from ff2 to check themes, I find I have to use min-width in places where width worked before. Also in divs with a background image tiling only one one side, the rest of the div isn't transparent as in other browsers, it's the body background color. So the color of the div's parent div doesn't show thorugh. Breaks themes. Well, doesn't break them, but doesn't display them right. I never thought I'd say to use IE7 to view the page as designed.	[06:03]
franck	chibaguy: is it a bug or is it how the css spec should work?	[06:07]
chibaguy	I'm searching that now. I'm finding other people with various background problems in FF3.	[06:10]
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chibaguy	What it boils down to is I can't figure out how to specify {background: transparent url(path_to_image) 100% 0 repeat-y} -- in other words a div with an image tiling down the right side but otherwise no background, allowing the background of the containing div to show through. This works in FF2 and all other browsers that I know of.	[06:21]
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chibaguy	I can specify a color, so can have the tiling image and a bg color in the div, but can't specify transparent or no color. FF3 puts a white background there if I don't specify a bg color.	[06:24]
franck	is there a transparent color? on many appli, they have a transparent color, rather than a property	[06:31]
chibaguy	yes, transparent can be set as a color property in css. The parent background color should be displayed.	[06:37]
franck	check bugzilla, must be there already	[06:38]
	chibaguy: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347438 ?	[06:44]
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chibaguy	I'm going through the list, too. Maybe that's it, or related.	[06:53]
	The only place this is a problem for me (that I noticed so far) is in the http://zukakakina.com/Candiiclouds theme. In FF3, the side margins are white. In other browsers and FF versions the margins are transparent and let the pink stripe background image show through. (The margins' bg image is the shadow tiling vertically.) Alternatively the margins bg could be shadow plus stripes, which I'll do if no bug fix is coming.	[07:02]
	(In this case, the selectors are tds.)	[07:10]
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franck	marclaporte: hi	[11:35]
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marclaporte	hi	[11:39]
nyloth	hi *	[11:41]
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tomb_	hi nyloth , i juste made a fresh install of tiki svn trunk this morning	[11:55]
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tomb_	it appears that you cannot use fck image feature if file gallery feature is not set	[11:56]
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sylvieg	hello	[11:59]
nyloth	hi sylvie :)	[12:00]
sylvieg	phplayers on by default - :-( we need to get rid of this monolithic dinosaur ...	[12:00]
nyloth	sylvieg: I know, but as I explained in my commit message, it's not to be used with menus. But for the moment, for js trees we don't have a better implementation	[12:00]
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sylvieg	for fck - I do not jknow what I did but it finished to work on a fresh install .... I have to retest again on a free install yes - it means that a funciton is missing in the css menu...	[12:01]
nyloth	sylvieg: yes, for fck I fixed it on trunk. By renaming _htaccess into .htaccess for lib/fckeditor yes	[12:01]
sylvieg	still not working on my working need to test on a fresh install again	[12:05]
nyloth	sylvieg: do you have a lib/fckeditor/.htaccess file ?	[12:06]
sylvieg	yes	[12:06]
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nyloth	sylvieg: and what is the error message you get ?	[12:13]
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sylvieg	no error - just no image ... (I am trying another fresh install)	[12:23]
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	img in fck works fine on a new install - but fgal needs to be activated now as tom said	[12:52]
nyloth	sylvieg: yes, sure, I changed the default pref for that	[12:59]
sylvieg	yes but it is not possible anymore to fck img broxser browser it was still possible last week	[13:00]
nyloth	sylvieg: I explained to tom that the goal is to have filegal internals available all the time (like wiki parsing) because it will become a central part of tiki. So, the feature will be there only to enabled or not the direct access to filegals sylvieg: it should be possible, nothing has been deleted, AFAIK, for fck img browser sylvieg: it's just a pref (filegal_manager) that is enabled by default, but it's still possible to change it. For updates, it should work as before, it should only affect new installs sylvieg: but yes, for 3.0, if possible, I'll try to make the old way completely obsolete since it's not really usable (no perms, no way to delete files, ...)	[13:00]
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nyloth	lph: around ?	[14:20]
lph	kind of	[14:20]
nyloth	lph: hi, why did you made a JOIN for this request in the installer : SELECT count(*) FROM users_users u INNER JOIN users_usergroups g ON u.userId = g.userId WHERE login = ? lph: I have a case where admin is in users_users, but no group	[14:22]
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nyloth	lph: so, it does not find the admin why not just looking in users_users ?	[14:22]
lph	that does not tell me if it's an admin	[14:22]
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nyloth	lph: well, the current join is not better	[14:23]
sylvieg	the user admin is always admin even if not in an admin group	[14:23]
nyloth	lph: you don't make a check on the group name and I agree with sylvie	[14:23]
lph	that must be an error then feel free to fix it	[14:23]
nyloth	could you just have a look to be sure, please ? :) well, I think it's buggy... if the user is admin, you don't have to test something else... but if it's another user, the function does not return what is expected	[14:24]
lph	query is wrong now	[14:25]
nyloth	right	[14:25]
lph	probably got disturbed in the middle of it	[14:25]
nyloth	lol	[14:25]
lph	could probably just do the check on username and ignore groups as well	[14:26]
nyloth	if user = admin, then no need to make a query.... but do we want something for other users ? I suppose no, but it was the initial idea of this function...	[14:26]
lph	I don't know, what about other admin users?	[14:27]
nyloth	well, those who are in an Admin group, or with tiki_p_admin ? I'm not convinced they may have the rights to update tiki I think it's correct to limit to the admin user So... I'll make a fix to test only on $name == 'admin' ... if noone is against this	[14:27]
lph	+1	[14:32]
nyloth	ok	[14:39]
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nyloth	lph: if possible, please wait again until tommorow afternoon / evening for RC3 ... I want to fix what you probably saw on security list to be sure it's tested in an RC before the final release. lph: but you can merge ;p nyloth need to go now... see you later or tommorow	[14:52]
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marclaporte	sylvieg: : ping	[15:30]
sylvieg	hello	[15:30]
marclaporte	sylvieg: : I was wondering about what you told me about muli-valued tracker fields	[15:31]
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marclaporte	marclaporte is pleased to see 40 people in IRC	[15:31]
GillesM	hello	[15:32]
sylvieg	not yet done - closer and closer as the multilingual field is done - but still job to do	[15:32]
marclaporte	polom GillesM	[15:32]
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GillesM	how are you marclaporte	[15:34]
kerrnel	Moo With the RC branch frozen, what are the current differences in functionality with the branch and the trunk versions of 2.0?	[15:34]
lph	no so much, it has been frozen for only two weeks but there are differences already svn diff https://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tikiwiki/branches/2.0 https://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tikiwiki/trunk	[15:38]
marclaporte	all good GillesM, you?	[15:43]
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kerrnel	I made a change to the tikifest page for the DC meeting...that date work or not work with anyone that was planning on going?	[16:01]
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kerrnel	thanks lph, going through the diff now	[16:03]
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GillesM	fine marc	[16:20]
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marclaporte	I have bug with calculated field (trackers) in 2.0rc2	[16:37]
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Darkbee	Is there any wiki syntax for specifying a background color, not just a foreground color?	[17:06]
sylvieg	{BOX} with a class?	[17:11]
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Darkbee	I guess that would work... no reason why I can't make the display inline is there?	[17:20]
kerrnel	Has anybody experienced problems with phplayers menus in 2.0? The menu shows up but it won't expand when I've got it set using the rolldowns.	[17:24]
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sylvieg	kerrnel: perhaps it depends of the theme?	[17:31]
kerrnel	I've tried a few different ones damian, mose, tikineat, moreneat, whitebluegrey I have menu 42 stipulated in the top box settings, and I've got phplayers turned on. Is there anything else I need to enable? Ahh...interesting. If you have CSS Menus turned on as well, they seem to conflict. Turning that off and only having phplayers enabled seems to work	[17:34]
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icltlfatppl	anyone here interested in integrating socialcalc with tikiwiki?	[18:08]
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SEWilco2	zzzz... Come on, dev tracker... update, so I can write another report...	[18:22]
Petjal2	marclaporte: Hi! What's your bug with calculated field (trackers) in 2.0rc2?	[18:24]
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SEWilco2_	Oops. My bug 1903 got duplicated as 1904 when I resubmitted after DSL link failure (1903 didn't show as having been accepted before resubmit).	[18:42]
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mstef	hi all, does anyone know whether it is normal to get a blank page when posting a blogitem and finishing it off with the save&exit button? i checked the code, it get's till a header("location.... invocation, which is terminated by a die; but i am not redirected to the page indicated in the location header. why's that?	[19:04]
Petjal2	Hi all. I have a 30 page Microsoft Word .doc file that I'd like to turn into a wiki page (for applying TRACKERITEMFIELD ELSE statements to it). I know I'll have to hand-edit it afterwards, but what process should I use to import it into tw? Thanks! Wouldn't it be neat if OpenOffice.org had an Export to Wiki filter? The various tools at the bottom of tiki-editpage.php are a little confusing to me. tw 2.0rc2 btw	[19:05]
mstef	petjal, you should try to paste the document into the wysiwyg editor, it should handle formating quite well. s/petjal/Petjal2/	[19:19]
Petjal2	Ooh, thanks, I never would've thought to try that!	[19:28]
mstef	Petjal2: np	[19:29]
Petjal2	Hmm, maybe I don't have that installed...	[19:29]
mstef	Petjal2: most wysiwyg editors are capable of that stunt. the wysiwyg editor is part of newer tiki installs, what version do you have? do you have wysiwyg enabled under features?	[19:29]
Petjal2	Ah, good, thanks, that helped. Under Admin, Features, Experimental. Turned it on now.... I was looking under mods. So, just open the .doc in OpenOffice, Select All, Copy, go to tw, turn on wysiwyg, and paste it in the box/	[19:32]
SEWilco2	In 1.9.11 Admin>Wiki I'm only seeing WYSIWYG as being available when HTML pages are allowed.	[19:34]
Petjal2	Do I need to do anything with the couple of html option things at the bottom of that page?	[19:34]
SEWilco2	Hmm.. no, I'm not able to turn on WYSIWYG. The pulldown remains at "no".	[19:35]
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Petjal2	Nevermind, html not involved, sorry. I did right click in the big text box, paste, it said I had to do Ctrl-V cuz of my browser, hit OK. At 30+ pages, it's taking a while... I notice the "Paste from Word" button hidden among those at the top. It'd be nice if it had an upload from file button...	[19:40]
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Petjal2	still saving... I'm sure the .doc is too big. Any command line converters? What's the best way to bring in a large doc from html (again, the options at the bottom confuse simple me).	[19:57]
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sylvieg	Petjal2: What do you mean?	[20:12]
Petjal2	Sorry to be confusing. At the moment, I'm trying to break up the big .doc into little pieces to paste them individually into the wysiwyg editor...	[20:14]
sylvieg	do you paste a .doc into a wiki page?	[20:15]
Petjal2	But if that doesn't work, then I'll try exporting from .doc to .html and then trying to get that into wiki... Gimme a few minutes... I opened the .doc in OpenOffice (on ubuntu) and then I'm selecting several pages of that .doc and using the Paste From MS Word button in tw wysiwyg editor....	[20:15]
sylvieg	it should work...	[20:20]
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harold	Hi, I am trying to add some style classes to a style sheet in tiki wiki; what is the best way to do this? I have tried editing default2.css, but no dice	[20:47]
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mstef	harold: you should check which theme you're running and edit it in themes/<theme>.css harold: maybe there are better ways to do that. dunno.	[20:49]
harold	ok - is there anyway to do it from the user interface? unfortunately, I do not have access to the source files...	[20:50]
mstef	harold: better=cleaner harold: i remember seeing an edit css under features, but i might be wrong.	[20:50]
harold	correct, mstef, it is there; unfortunately my edits there do not seem to publish anywhere	[20:51]
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kerrnel	2.0 branch is closed for new features, correct? So bug fixes or feature omissions can be committed to branch, and anything new goes into trunk right? So there is no "2.0 new features" it's all grouped together as "trunk" ? Reason I ask is there is an oddity with Articles. When you create one, it lets you specify an expiration date, however if you edit it or if you preview it, you no longer have the option of changing the expiration date. I'm not even sure if it looks at that date. When I say looks at that date, I'm referring to the plugins. Would fixes to the Article edit screen and the plugins go into trunk, or into branch?	[21:12]
sylvieg	it can go in 2.0 and not trunk - onl;y if it is a regression - so you need to compare to 1.9 to decide	[21:14]
kerrnel	It's broken in 1.9 as well	[21:14]
sylvieg	so it will go in trunk	[21:14]
kerrnel	Even though the option is there?	[21:14]
sylvieg	yes	[21:15]
kerrnel	ok just wanted to clarify that before I started committing stuff to the wrong tree thanks	[21:15]
sylvieg	and if the release manager sees that it is very important he will backport - but only him will do it	[21:15]
kerrnel	ok	[21:15]
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mattbmc	is the date of Tikifest DC a secret? I'm finding pages on tw.o for others, but not DC... Link?	[21:42]
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mattbmc	found it: http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestWashingtonDC	[21:45]
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player3	we are trying to validate users by admin, but we are unable to authorize accounts. Anybody know how to do this?	[22:00]
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kerrnel	Sorry mattbmc, I updated the TikiFest page, not the WashingtonDC one player3: Not that I am aware...I've wrestled with that in the past and it'd be nice if we could identify users as "pending authorization" and we can just click a button and poof, authorized. I have a stupid DIV question... Is there a way to have two different DIV blocks appear on the same line?	[22:01]
player3	we can setup to get notification, but we can not actually enable the account, how do you do that? what do I click on to enable an account?	[22:03]
kerrnel	To enable the account, at the moment, you need to click on the link provided in the email If that doesn't work, I'm not sure what the problem is.	[22:04]
player3	in Login preferences, "Validate users by email:" works fine... email gets sent to the user, we can click and enable (from the users point of view) "... but need admin validation:" feature we cant figure out how do we"validate" an account?	[22:05]
kerrnel	hmm...that's a good queston	[22:08]
player3	lol	[22:08]
kerrnel	where is that option located?	[22:08]
player3	Admin > Login > Right under "Users can register:" "... but need admin validation:"	[22:08]
kerrnel	That's the same thing	[22:10]
player3	? that same thing as what?	[22:10]
kerrnel	Validate users by email = User gets an email to confirm they are who they say they are	[22:10]
player3	Why are there 2 different check boxes...	[22:11]
kerrnel	Users can register = Users can click Register and submit their info.	[22:11]
player3	right it reads like this...	[22:11]
kerrnel	...Need Admin = admin gets an email that says "please click on this URL to validate this user". which activates their account	[22:11]
player3	That email never comes then other emails send fine	[22:12]
kerrnel	if ...need admin is not selected, then the user can register themselves and are immediately active There are a couple of fields that need to be populated for it to work.	[22:12]
player3	the we are not getting the email to the admin then... it has been confirmed that the tiki does send email... ok	[22:12]
kerrnel	You're running 2.0 I take it?	[22:12]
player3	1.9.11	[22:13]
kerrnel	even better	[22:13]
player3	sorry I could have said that before	[22:13]
kerrnel	ok, that one I use :)	[22:13]
player3	:)	[22:13]
kerrnel	ok, first you need to have a valid "sender email" in your General tab	[22:14]
player3	ok let me check , I think we do	[22:14]
SEWilco2	tw.o "Since your last visit" says new tracker items: 21... 16. on, 17. n, 18. on.. "n"?	[22:15]
player3	the sender address is set	[22:15]
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SEWilco2	In case someone cares, the "n" item is linked to http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=186	[22:16]
kerrnel	far as I can tell that should work	[22:17]
player3	is the "Sender Address" the email address that the "Validatiaon" is sent to or just from? Where do we set the "Admin" to email address?	[22:18]
kerrnel	I have sender email set, with users can register, with admin validation, and validate by email Ah!!! I knew there was something. LOL admin by default doesn't have an email address	[22:18]
player3	right we set that also,	[22:19]
kerrnel	Login as your admin user and go to My Tiki -> Preferences if that's also set then I'm not sure what's wrong. I have the exact same settings and it works for me Took me a while to get the right combination	[22:19]
player3	ah ok let me test it out... we tried to set the email address from another admin account.... and we got the password error message.. but it did show the email address...	[22:20]
kerrnel	If you have access to the database directly, you can also kludge it there	[22:21]
player3	not an option	[22:22]
SEWilco2	On Admin>Wiki, what does the checkbox "Individual cache" do?	[22:22]
player3	we do have access, but not the user that will be administering the wiki ok we get an email, but it does not contain a link	[22:22]
kerrnel	what does it say	[22:23]
player3	it says a new user registerd, the name and time of the user and thats it The user JoeTest registered at your site xxx.xxx.caltech.edu at: Mon 28 of Jul, 2008 [15:21] nothing is linkable... however we do not have the "validate by email checkbox checked"	[22:23]
kerrnel	check that then make sure ... requires admin is also checked	[22:26]
player3	same deal, we get an email, but no link Also we would not be getting any email if we did not setup a Mail Notifiation. user_registers * xxx@xxx.caltech.edu ok we figured it out... The "Send To" address is the address that gets the validation email not the admin account email	[22:27]
sylvieg	sylvieg confirms	[22:30]
player3	Which is miss leading when your just reading the text labels Sending Account	[22:30]
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player3	thanks all... I thnk it may have been the check box combiation, via email, ... and admin, and having the Sent Address set	[22:33]
sylvieg	we need to change this checkbox with an email	[22:33]
player3	thanks Yeah maybe add a text input box for "... and requires admin validation" for the email address of the person doing the validation	[22:34]
kerrnel	Yes, it should be one box, clearly stated. But, you got it working, which is the important thing at the moment!	[22:36]
SEWilco2	Someone feed the dev.tw.o gerbils. They're not spinning the wheels fast enough.	[22:36]
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Alumin	which permission corresponds to the "source" (view source) button in the wiki?	[22:37]
sylvieg	http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Login%20Config&structure=Documentation#_but_need_Admin_validation it is not a perm it is a feature ... I think admin->wiki	[22:37]
SEWilco2	Alumin: I suspect "source" means someone has editor permission but that specific item has editing blocked. Asking someone other than Alumin: Can Category permissions block editing in that way?	[22:38]
player3	cool thanks.	[22:40]
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SEWilco2	SEWilco2 waits for his 3 tracker tabs on dev.tw.o to stop saying "Loading"... SEWilco2 sees his dev.two.o pages go blank. Not quite the desired response.	[22:40]
Alumin	sylvieg: don't see it on the admin/wiki page	[22:45]
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sylvieg	admin->wiki->View source: and after I se it it is tiki_p_view	[22:46]
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marclaporte	Petjal2: : ping my bug is : calculated field in trackerlist plugin shows many times the same value It's behind firewall, I can I can't show you	[22:47]
Petjal2	"many times the same value"?	[22:50]
Alumin	wait, the tiki_p_view permission gives the "view source" button as well?	[22:51]
marclaporte	say I am using trackerlist plugin	[22:51]
Alumin	isn't that the permission that's used to view the rendered page?	[22:52]
marclaporte	It lists 5 tracker items one of the fields is a calculated field	[22:52]
Alumin	(btw I don't have the word "source" anywhere on this admin->wiki page, this is 1.9.7)	[22:52]
marclaporte	each of the 5 trackers items should have a different value, depending on calculation ex.: 4*5	[22:52]
Petjal2	ok, I think I see	[22:53]
marclaporte	yet, in my instance, the calculated field was giving an ok result for the first valie but was wrong for the others	[22:53]
Petjal2	I'll be playing in that area shortly (days) I think, so I'll keep my eye out for that...	[22:54]
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SEWilco2	dev.tw.o tracker keeps timing out. Or has someone woken it up in the last few minutes? I can view tracker entries but not update.	[23:31]
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Petjal2	i'm a better linux sysadmin that tw guy. If you guys want to give me ssh access to the dev.tw.o server, I'd be glad to take a look at it.	[23:34]
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kerrnel	hmm... is it me or does the new timing (which is awesome by the way) in 2.0 not take into account daylight savings?	[23:43]
SEWilco2	dev.tw.o accepted my update quickly, so it's now working....better.	[23:43]
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