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lphuberdeau	still one missing tarball test ... been around 3 hours ... http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/tikirel/	[00:05]
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PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 14159 /tags/2.0/: [REL] Tagging release	[00:29]
amette	lphuberdeau: do the same as me and go to bed - on monday there will be more people for testing...	[00:30]
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lphuberdeau	amette, barely 20:30 here	[00:31]
***	amette changes topic to: Welcome to TikiWiki! Please test the current release (ZIP still needed): http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/tikirel/ - Just ask, don't ask to ask !!! - Support only for stable 1.9.11 - TikiWiki 2.0rc4 is available for testing at http://tinyurl.com/56df5e - Don't paste code/errors here, use http://sh.nu/p - IRC-logging at http://irc.tikiwiki.org - Thanks and have fun! :)	[00:31]
amette	lphuberdeau: well, ok then - just thought because you fell asleep before already.. ;) ... ok, so good luck with the release and cu tomorrow then! :)	[00:31]
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NightWork	how do I add a catagory to a wiki page	[01:44]
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NightWork	are the categories you create in the directory page, the same as the ones on the categories page?	[02:22]
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mattbmc	should only be one category system across the whole system, tho I'm not 100% sure of the Directory page you mean.....the links directory?	[02:38]
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NightWork	I guess that must be it. I was trying to create a directory for the wiki pages	[02:54]
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pujib	hello there! so, i've upgraded from rc4 to (almost)2.0, but drawings still don't work. maybe i'm doing something wrong? i've enabled feature_drawings (hm, it moved to experimental section...), add to some wiki page as admin string {draw name=foo}, save, but when i click 'click here to create draw foo', small empty window appears in ff3 (actually, it's not completely empty, there is a gray rectangle with tab 'Block' in its bottom right corner). either drawing doesn't work in ie6 (in virtual box with winxp) any ideas? also, isn't 'click here to create draw_ing_ foo' more correct than 'click here to create draw_ foo' ?	[06:09]
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MatWho	I have set the Rating to appear in a Tracker List. It has an extra box on the left which has the rating selected but with a - in front. Is this a bug? Or some functionality I dont understand? Thanks.	[08:05]
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PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by sept_7 :: r 14161 /trunk/templates/tiki-admin-include-look.tpl: [FIX] strip around the template to avoid bad layout SVN: Commit by sept_7 :: r 14162 /trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): [ENH] : File galleries, upload files with progress indications first try	[09:49]
MatWho	Hi all. I have set the Rating to appear in a Tracker List. It has an extra box on the left which has the rating selected but with a - in front. Is this a bug? Or some functionality I dont understand? Thanks.	[09:55]
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ricks99_	hi all :)	[11:00]
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DavidHenry	how to enable top menu> ? in position is just showing left and right? anybody there?	[11:12]
ricks99_	which tiki version?	[11:15]
DavidHenry	1.9.11	[11:15]
ricks99_	on the admin: look & feel page, on the General Layout tab	[11:16]
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ricks99_	enable the site menu bar option	[11:16]
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DavidHenry	ok	[11:17]
ricks99_	(actual display may vary, depending on ur selected theme)	[11:17]
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PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 14163 /trunk/banner_image.php: [FIX] Attempt to use cache before loading everything	[14:25]
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mstef	hi, in 2.0, using the trackerlist plugin, and have max=5, if more than 5 items are available, some ui elements are provided to switch to other pages. when i do that i get "Template not registered" the funny thing is, in edit-page if i am previewing the same page, everything works. anyone any idea what's the problem?	[14:34]
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PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 14165 /trim/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] Fixperms was broken	[15:20]
ricks99_	in svn trunk, what is "only queries using fore than XX seconds" on the admin: general page?	[15:23]
lphuberdeau	logging related I think probably in the wrong menu	[15:24]
ricks99_	so "log queries that use more than xxx seconds" is the correct wording? (i'm going to attempt a slightly better ui for admin:general)	[15:26]
lphuberdeau	I think there is already some work in progress in there check with NefariousC	[15:29]
ricks99_	o... is stuff posted anywhere? i've been posting stuff to the dev page: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Regrouping%20the%20General%20Admin%20page hadn't seen anything by anyone else...	[15:31]
lphuberdeau	new to the community... still need to learn about commit early, commit often ;)	[15:34]
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SEWilco2	File search not working in 2.0RC4 from tar. tiki_files "search data" is empty. I clicked on "Reindex all files for search" in Admin>File Galleries.	[16:07]
lphuberdeau	might want to log the problems you find on dev.tw.o	[16:09]
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lphuberdeau	if they are not already known	[16:09]
SEWilco2	OK	[16:10]
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lphuberdeau	anyone got to try the tarballs for the 2.0 release before I make them available live? http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/tikirel/	[16:23]
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nikhilodeon	Hi is there any way to suppress / remove the indent that is automatically applied to the {maketoc} plugin? It is inserting superfluous whitespace or, alternately, does anyone know where the maketoc plugin is defined? i could not find it in libwikiplugins directory	[17:11]
ricks99_	maybe edit the css?	[17:14]
nikhilodeon	ricks99 - ah, good call...i shall try that- thanks!	[17:16]
	i think the input filtering that inserts <x> into tags should not apply to the Edit CSS screen....it has converted all the 'link' tags to 'li<x>nk'....	[17:21]
lphuberdeau	which version?	[17:21]
nikhilodeon	2.0	[17:23]
lphuberdeau	final tarballs?	[17:23]
nikhilodeon	i am not sure - it was the latest from svn last wednesday	[17:23]
lphuberdeau	update and try it..	[17:24]
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mfranzen	I am new at this and I am trying to install the mod aulawiki from the admin panel of tiki under a user account I created for myself to manage the tiki, and of course it will not let me, as install is crossed out and the above box is in red telling me to use "./fixperms.sh open" to allow the apache user the right to write files in my web tree and then use "./fixperms.sh fix" to put back to normal after mod insta I reviewed the doc http://tikiwiki.org/TikiMods (external link) (under requirements section) which have not helped and tried to find some more help on this but no luck. Can someone give me an actual example of what I am actually suppose to do with "./fixperms.sh open" so that it actually works as I have tried a few things with no success. I have tried to find some solid examples, of how this is actually done. I am sure it is easy, but I think I am missing something that most of you programmers already take for granted. So if anyone has some practical examples that would be great.	[17:53]
ricks99_	@mfranzen: basically, it sets the perms for the tiki folders u can do this manually, if u do not have command-line access	[17:54]
mfranzen	yes, I know, but how do I use that command?	[17:54]
ricks99_	simply run it from the install dir	[17:54]
mfranzen	on the server itself?	[17:55]
ricks99_	y	[17:55]
mfranzen	ok,	[17:55]
ricks99_	if u have commandline access, just run it :)	[17:55]
mfranzen	if it does not work, which it hasn't in my case I have to do it manually well at least I tried it through the browser?	[17:55]
ricks99_	i dont think u can execute it via a browser. u need command line access	[17:56]
mfranzen	commandline access - ok this is new?	[17:56]
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mfranzen	what do I do I know how to open a command line on the operating system, is it the same?	[17:56]
ricks99_	depends on ur host	[17:57]
mfranzen	ok, so I have to talk to my host provider and find out from them right?	[17:58]
ricks99_	sounds like u may not have command line access. u can simply cmod the directories manually	[17:58]
mfranzen	ok,	[17:59]
ricks99_	for example, see http://twbasics.keycontent.org/tiki-index.php?page=FTPing%20Files%20to%20Host&structure=TikiWiki%20for%20Smarties#Set_Directory_Permissions	[17:59]
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mfranzen	Thanks ricks99, so I will have to set all the folders and the files inside all the directories in tiki to 7-7-5 or just the mods directory?	[18:02]
ricks99_	all the ones listed (including mods)	[18:03]
mfranzen	ok... when I change back the folder to the fix, what actuall number set should they be set back to when finished installing the mod	[18:04]
ricks99_	not sure. i think u can remove the public-execute permission, but i believe the others need to stay	[18:07]
mfranzen	Ok, I'm going to try to do this thanks Ok, I just checked using dreamweaver, as I was having problems with the initial install.... As it turned out, the host had my permissions messed up on their end prior to my trying to install tki the first time. I had set all the permssions to 7-7-7 which they are set at the moment. That is there setting right now, so should the mod not be able to install?	[18:07]
ricks99_	with 777, u should b able to install the mods.	[18:14]
mfranzen	I just checked some of the individual files and they are 7-7-5 also, but that should work also then.	[18:14]
ricks99_	should be	[18:15]
mfranzen	Could it be that I have to create a "mods" folder also, before the mod install?	[18:15]
ricks99_	thre should be a mods folder already at your tiki root (otherwise tikiwiki should have given u an error when u try to connect)	[18:16]
mfranzen	Oh.:-o... I do have one, my bad	[18:17]
ricks99_	make sure ur tiki is working before installing the aulawiki mod.	[18:17]
mfranzen	as far as I know it is working. I have made two accounts, one as per instructions to keep admin one as a last resort and then a dummy account with restrictions as a normal user maybe I should try installing another mod and see what happens?	[18:19]
ricks99_	and ur following the installation information here: http://twbasics.keycontent.org/tiki-index.php?page=FTPing%20Files%20to%20Host&structure=TikiWiki%20for%20Smarties#Set_Directory_Permissions sorry bad link: http://edu.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page_ref_id=4	[18:20]
mfranzen	yes, that is what I was following, the problem I had was in fig 2, I don't have the green lettered box, mine is red and saying I have to change the permissions. Here is the quote I get in the box.... Attention To install, remove or upgrade packages you need to give the apache user the right to write files in your web tree (you can use "./fixperms.sh open" to set it up). After installation you need to remove that permission (using "./fixperms.sh fix"). all in red now I have mannually set those a while back using dreamweavers remote file browser and setting the permissions of all folders and files to 7-7-7, although some files only went to 7-7-5	[18:23]
ricks99_	hmm. not sure. try chaning perms to 777, installing themod, then changing back maybe someone else knows more about aula mod?	[18:25]
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mfranzen	Ok, thanks for all of your help. The tiki is great, but my host was a pain just to get this thing installed, took me over a week :-!, now I have this issue. anyway, I have posted this in the forum also, so I'll add a reply to it to confirm that I have manually changed the permissions with no resolve as of yet. with all the trouble with my host... server space, database was messed up, then the permissions - all the host 's fault, it was not a lack of my knowlege or following instructions, but they had my settings all messed up.... almost changed host over that. Anyway, I'll keep trying for now. Thanks rick	[18:28]
ricks99_	np. good luck	[18:32]
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nkoth3	how's the tarball testing going?	[18:35]
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lphuberdeau	hum, no feedback since the email I sent however I suspect there is still a problem with the sanitization	[18:37]
nkoth3	you mean over sanitization?	[18:40]
lphuberdeau	yeah, <x> may still show up might have to remove the tag and start over	[18:40]
nkoth3	let me try upgrading a couple of tikis, including a really old one as for the <x> any good ideas how to know?	[18:45]
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lphuberdeau	no idea... I have the feeling we will be fighting with this one for a long time	[18:47]
ricks99_	is there a big difference between 2.0 tarball and 2.0 svn?	[18:47]
lphuberdeau	nyloth not around ricks, none at this time	[18:47]
ricks99_	tx. ive got a tiki 1.10b -> 2.0svn that im testing currently	[18:47]
lphuberdeau	that updates nicely once you've been through CVS -> svn thing	[18:48]
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ricks99_	y. upgrade went very well. haven seen any <x> issues (but i only use wiki and trackers, primarily)	[18:50]
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ricks99_	i do get: Undefined variable: dbversion_tiki tho...	[18:52]
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mstef	hi all	[18:55]
nkoth3	hi	[18:55]
lphuberdeau	ricks... that's sad, but I think only admins see it probably even hidden if php error reporting is not enabled	[18:55]
ricks99_	what does it mean tho?	[18:55]
lphuberdeau	minor internal warning should be fixed	[18:56]
ricks99_	k. (i tend to ingnore the 'notice' level warnings ;)	[18:57]
mstef	can anyone help me fix this? if ajax is enabled, i believe all pagination links on tiki-index.php fail. specifically i can reproduce this with the trackerlist plugin in a wikipage on 2.0. lib/smarty_tiki/block.pagination_links.php tries to construct a templatename from PHP_SELF, s/.php/.tpl/. since there is no tiki-index.tpl, so it fails with a js.alert("t emplate not registered"). is there some other easy way to see pagination on tiki-index? so we can be sure it is not a general proble only with the trackerlist plugin?	[18:58]
nkoth3	you can have multiple pages by using the page break syntax but I am not sure if it is the same kind of pagination link probably not	[19:00]
mstef	i believe it could be the same smartytiki blog. i'll try it.	[19:03]
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tomekkott	could someone better at php than I tell me why preg_replace('/\"/') does not actually replace ", but only the "?	[19:04]
mstef	nkoth3: nope, ...page... pagination works like charm.	[19:05]
tomekkott	or maybe here's a better question, how I do I use preg_replace to search for the escape character: ?	[19:07]
nkoth3	\[19:08] <tomekkott> i'm confused, why three ? i'm actually looking for a reference well - there is some stuff in the php manual but it's not plain english it's 4 slashes backslashes try this http://www.usenet-forums.com/php-general/46798-re-php-regex-drive-me-crazy.html	[19:08]
tomekkott	hmmm, I just found i stopped typing, because that's the html i was just looking at haha thanks!	[19:15]
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tomekkott	you pointed me in the right direction	[19:15]
lphuberdeau	the trick is to write the regex as it should be, then escape the PHP characters	[19:15]
tomekkott	oh, ok	[19:16]
lphuberdeau	you can always be safe by using 2 backslash when you need one	[19:16]
tomekkott	right, cause preg_replace is a php function using a regex func	[19:16]
lphuberdeau	PHP uses the backslash to escape characters that need escaping, but not all of them do, if you always use two, you know for sure it will write the backslash a good way to make it easy is to use an editor that understands PHP strings when highlighting... like vim	[19:17]
tomekkott	what i'm having trouble with is replacing " with " , and it seems that even preg_replace("/(\\)"/",""",$var) doesn't work it finds the " parts, because if I try preg_replace("/(\\)"/","hi",$var), I get hi which is odd, becuase preg_replace("/\'/","''",$var) replaces the ' with '' as it should and preg_replace('/\\/','hi',$var) replaces the correctly it just won't find " !	[19:20]
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nikhilodeon	hi, how does one make wysiwig editing the default option in TW 2.0? currently text is the default for my instance ah never mind - found it I have a rather large issue with the WYSIWIG editor - hopefully I can find relief...	[19:46]
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nyloth	Hi all :)	[19:52]
lphuberdeau	3/4 of the dist plugins converted... soon entering tracker plugins :/ nyloth, there might still be a problem with li<x>nk	[19:52]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: how ?	[19:53]
nikhilodeon	the WYSIWYG editor - i am not sure why formatting buttons (eg, bold, italic, etc) are options if TikiWiki ends up converting them to, eg, yle="font-family: Verdana;">yle="font-size: smaller;">	[19:53]
lphuberdeau	http://irc.amette.eu/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2008-08-11,Mon&sel=147#l143 not confirmed in latest, but latest commits don't mention this one	[19:53]
nyloth	nikhilodeon: those problems should be gone with final 2.0 (but were in RC4) lphuberdeau: yes, maybe an exception should be made for edit css...	[19:55]
lphuberdeau	still not to late to repackage 2.0...	[19:56]
nikhilodeon	nyloth: does this apply to all input filtering? ie, would I be able to put css style tags in a Wiki page?	[19:56]
lphuberdeau	will have to untag thought	[19:56]
nikhilodeon	i would think at least the filtering would not happen with the wysiwig editor...	[19:57]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: or maybe report it to 2.0.1. I don't know yet what's the best choice is for this exception	[19:57]
lphuberdeau	nik, that removed the purpose of filtering	[19:58]
nyloth	nikhilodeon: yes, you will nikhilodeon: tiki now accepts style="something" everywhere nikhilodeon: in 2.0	[19:58]
lphuberdeau	link is a fairly common word	[19:58]
nyloth	link is not matched what is matched is something like link=	[19:58]
lphuberdeau	oh, alright then	[19:59]
nyloth	with special chars before link	[19:59]
lphuberdeau	wanted to verify with you I'm all set for release	[19:59]
luciash	polom ! uploading to image galleries seems to be broken in the 2.0 tarball :-/	[19:59]
lphuberdeau	luci, we tested that one just before releasing	[19:59]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: you can have a look at lib/setup/sanitization.php if you want more details :)	[20:00]
lphuberdeau	why read when I can ask the author? ;)	[20:00]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: btw, link is one of the most dangerous, since you can include every kind of attacks through an external URL	[20:00]
lphuberdeau	right	[20:00]
nikhilodeon	not sure about the special chars before link - i am looking @ the default css - and Tiki inserted <x> pretty indiscriminately	[20:00]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: :)	[20:01]
nkoth3	luciash: can't upload?	[20:01]
luciash	lphuberdeau: it says here "An error occured in a database query"	[20:01]
nyloth	luciash: what is broken ?	[20:01]
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lphuberdeau	did you update the database schema?	[20:01]
nyloth	luciash: for me it was ok yesterday	[20:01]
luciash	lphuberdeau: fresh install	[20:02]
nikhilodeon	so the thing is, I am not the admin for the TikiWiki site - should I just have my admin go to http://dev.tikiwiki.org/download and have him download the # Future 2.0.x (branches/2.0 from SVN) link @ the bottom of the page?	[20:02]
nyloth	nikhilodeon: what is the chars before your "link" ?	[20:02]
luciash	nyloth: it's broken, i can give you link to try	[20:02]
nikhilodeon	*/ .	[20:03]
lphuberdeau	nik, tarballs will be on sourceforge soon	[20:03]
nyloth	nikhilodeon: so, special chars...	[20:03]
nikhilodeon	;} .catlists a.li<x>nk { dunno - nothing really "special" here :)	[20:03]
lphuberdeau	where do you define those CSS classes?	[20:04]
nikhilodeon	these are the out-of-the-box styles that came with TikiWiki...	[20:04]
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nyloth	nikhilodeon: did you tried the really last 2.0 ?	[20:04]
lphuberdeau	I don't get it, where does that happen?	[20:04]
nikhilodeon	I created my default-nikhilodeon css file, and when I clicked "save" from the "Edit CSS" page in the UI, those bloody <x>'s appeared	[20:05]
lphuberdeau	wasn't filtering disabled for tiki-admin? problem was probably still in RC4	[20:05]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: for tiki admin pages, yes, but not for admin user	[20:05]
nkoth3	editcss should be exempte	[20:06]
lphuberdeau	well, defining CSS is part of tiki-admin right?	[20:06]
nyloth	nkoth3: the problem is to be sure you can trust users that use editcss. Admin pages are for admins, so it's more clear	[20:06]
lphuberdeau	no it's not	[20:06]
nikhilodeon	the version i am running was the latest from SVN on Wednesday AM; on that date, that was the latest version...	[20:06]
lphuberdeau	just svn up	[20:06]
nkoth3	well the whole idea of edit css is to edit css	[20:07]
lphuberdeau	will avoid a lot of false positives for us	[20:07]
nyloth	nikhilodeon: maybe try to update to last SVN, remove <x> and save again nkoth3: yes, edit css, but you may want users to edit css and not be able to put XSS attacks inside	[20:07]
nkoth3	nyloth: I see	[20:08]
lphuberdeau	I'm a little reluctant to pushing back the release for this, there are workarounds	[20:08]
nyloth	but yes, maybe an exception for editcss is ok...	[20:08]
nkoth3	the way I see it , if a user has edit css, he can do a lot of things to your site already.	[20:08]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: we can make those fixes for 2.0.1 ... I'm not convinced editcss is so important. No problem if 2.0.1 is realease really soon	[20:09]
nikhilodeon	but what about FCKEditor?	[20:09]
nyloth	we will have a lot of feedback for other fixes, btw	[20:09]
lphuberdeau	nik, svn up and see if the problem is still there	[20:09]
nyloth	nikhilodeon: just try. style= is ok now	[20:09]
lphuberdeau	last wednesday is a long time ago	[20:09]
nkoth3	if we are rebuilding the tarball, we might as well just exempt editcss	[20:10]
lphuberdeau	no such thing as 2.0.1 ... would be 2.1	[20:10]
nikhilodeon	ok - i will try; i guess, but people were telling me the problem was fixed on wednesday, which was not exactly the case...	[20:10]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: yes, 2.1, sorry :)	[20:10]
nkoth3	the fckeditor thing --- nik, can you try with the latest? thanks	[20:10]
lphuberdeau	nkoth3, I want ot avoid rebuilding as much as possible	[20:10]
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nikhilodeon	ok - it seems a little odd that the upgrade anticipates and fixes all my issues, but i will give it a try :) lphuberdeau : where can i get the pre-release tarballs?	[20:11]
lphuberdeau	http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/tikirel/ but if you have an svn install, you can just update it	[20:12]
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lq_734	i have a question about the configuration of login, basically i have a tikiwiki 1.9.11 set up on my site but in the admin>features>login there is no use email as login check box, since right now I want it so that email validation is required to register, but after that I do not want email in the login box	[20:13]
nikhilodeon	so roughly when was this st<x>yle issue resolved?	[20:14]
lphuberdeau	somewhere between wednesday and yesteray?	[20:14]
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nyloth	on saturday if I remember well	[20:15]
lphuberdeau	wysiwyg works as expected on my side	[20:15]
kerrnel	Moo	[20:15]
nyloth	hi	[20:15]
kerrnel	Has anybody experienced any problems today with trunk?	[20:15]
luciash	also a note, is it OK to have on creating new image gallery empty fields for Max Rows per page:, Images per row:, Thumbnails size X: and Thumbnails size Y: ?	[20:15]
lphuberdeau	that worked for me, you just don't get thumbnails and it looks terrible	[20:16]
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nyloth	luciash: no, I also thought it's really not cool, but for 2.0 it's not really a but, and for 3.0 I will work to make imagegals obsolete ;p	[20:16]
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nkoth3	kerrnel: do you have any?	[20:17]
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nkoth3	luciash: your db error ok now?	[20:17]
luciash	nyloth: hmm, uploading small jpg file worked	[20:17]
kerrnel	yeah, but I'm not sure if it's me or not	[20:18]
nyloth	kerrnel: you have to be more precise, I'm experiencing problems nearly every days since nearly two years ;p	[20:18]
kerrnel	sorry, just got a call... :(	[20:19]
luciash	nyloth, nkoth3: but the previous file was certainly not larger than 16MB as it says on the image upload page	[20:19]
nyloth	luciash: what was the size (approximately) ? luciash: also try to upload it again and to upload it in filegals	[20:20]
luciash	nyloth: approximately 1445768 bytes ;)	[20:21]
nyloth	luciash: oh ok, I see. you have to get the commercial version of Tiki for this size ;p	[20:21]
luciash	huh ? 1.6 MB and i need commercial Tiki :-p	[20:22]
nyloth	:))	[20:22]
luciash	luciash tries to uplaod the same file to file gallery now how come file galleries has different file size limit than image galleries ? nyloth: got same error when trying to upload to file gallery	[20:23]
nyloth	luciash: what is your size limit for filegals ?	[20:24]
luciash	the note says 10 MB	[20:25]
nyloth	luciash: it is probably better calculated in filegals, because it takes in account the current memory of the server	[20:25]
nkoth3	luciash: any more details to the error?	[20:25]
luciash	ah, ok, but then it chokes anyway well, i can make a screenshot probably because then my FF3 freezes	[20:25]
nyloth	luciash: yes, this is why we have to merge filegals and imagegals ;p	[20:26]
lphuberdeau	making tarballs public in a few minutes speak now or remain silent for eternity	[20:26]
nkoth3	what's the difference between these and the ones before? i thought nik was still testing...	[20:26]
luciash	lphuberdeau: you make tarballs public when we dance arround the errors in them ? hm hm hm :)	[20:27]
nyloth	luciash: I tried on your tiki and got this error : Got a packet bigger than 'max_allowed_packet' bytes	[20:27]
lphuberdeau	luci, if those problems are still in, it's probably because no one cared enough about them last week	[20:27]
nyloth	luciash: this is a mysql setting	[20:27]
lphuberdeau	we won't fix all glitches in tiki overnight	[20:27]
nkoth3	i just want to make sure they aren't "across the board" type errors luciash's one seems non-blocker	[20:28]
luciash	nyloth: ah, ok, thanks for revealing that	[20:28]
nyloth	luciash: yw. for 3.0, this param should also be tested	[20:28]
nkoth3	nik's fckeditor one should be fixed, just waiting for verification as for the edit-css one	[20:28]
nyloth	nkoth3: for fckeditor, there should be no more problems	[20:29]
lphuberdeau	time to test was last week, not today	[20:29]
nikhilodeon	nkoth3: yes, will have our sysadmin do the upgrade...we tried upgrading on wed and it created problems so we rolled back	[20:29]
luciash	but the error looks scary as it puts all the PNG file in hexa in the error output :-p	[20:29]
nyloth	but for editcss, yes... if using links	[20:29]
nkoth3	nik: as for the editcss, a.link is your problem? is that the only problem? well - the thing is that it renders edit css unusable.... if it catches that	[20:29]
nikhilodeon	nkoth3: i just did a search and it came up in 11 places in that css file	[20:30]
lphuberdeau	edit_css is not a central feature	[20:30]
nkoth3	but lots of people will be using it after install (I think it's one of "those" features	[20:31]
lphuberdeau	very possible just to edit the files on the drive... workaround exists	[20:31]
nkoth3	i say we exempt edit css and release for many those types of users	[20:31]
luciash	btw, image dimensions are shown as 0x0 for all images in image gals	[20:32]
nyloth	it's not a huge fix, but lphuberdeau have to rebuild packages	[20:32]
nkoth3	editing files on drive is not really the point	[20:32]
lphuberdeau	hum... untag, retag and repackage	[20:32]
nyloth	nkoth3: do you consider it's a problem to make an 2.1 in one or two weeks, including that ?	[20:33]
lphuberdeau	this should have been caught earlier in the RC process	[20:33]
nikhilodeon	sure, I can transfer the css over directly, but if there's an interface for it, I figure it shouldn't add its own little tags that break it :)	[20:33]
nkoth3	well - i just think it is "morally incorrect" to release a feature that is totally not working and edit css is in that state...	[20:33]
lphuberdeau	I stopped chasing perfection a long time ago	[20:34]
nikhilodeon	thing is - i upgraded to resolve a host of issues, but wound up introducing many more in the process...	[20:34]
nkoth3	it's not a question of perfection on the edit css thing - more like principle other bugs can wait	[20:34]
lphuberdeau	you better be the one chasing for tarball tests	[20:35]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: is it acceptable to backport a fix into the tag, instead of recreating tag ?	[20:35]
lphuberdeau	no	[20:36]
nyloth	lphuberdeau is a master in diplomacy ;)	[20:36]
lphuberdeau	just removing a tag is mind twisting, editing a tag is like bending rules of physics	[20:37]
nkoth3	nyloth: is there any hope that edit css will ever work with sanitization?	[20:37]
lphuberdeau	nyloth, yeah, I don't think that will change any time soon	[20:37]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: no problem, I agree with you on the principle nkoth3: it will work if you just don't care of a.link styles, I suppose	[20:37]
SEWilco2	I think the "Lost in Space" robot is trademarked, so the proper warning message could not be provided if edit CSS allowed unsafe things.	[20:38]
nkoth3	the problem is those styles are in our default	[20:38]
nyloth	coming from where ?	[20:38]
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nyloth	one of the official .css theme files ?	[20:39]
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nyloth	nikhilodeon: which theme did you use ?	[20:39]
lphuberdeau	probably all themes	[20:39]
nikhilodeon	nyloth: i had used default.css and then created default-nikhilodeon.css	[20:40]
nkoth3	I think a.link is in everyone	[20:40]
nyloth	yes, maybe, didn't checked	[20:41]
nkoth3	i just checked	[20:41]
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nkoth3	hi marclaporte	[20:42]
lphuberdeau	textarea is such a bad way to edit CSS in the first place	[20:42]
marclaporte	hi nkoth3	[20:43]
nkoth3	you know - i don't even use the edit css feature myself. it's just that others do, and it is still a feature	[20:43]
lphuberdeau	add 10, break 1... no big deal	[20:43]
nkoth3	and basically my issue is that it is "totally unsable" from the point of view of a user who wants it as it is partial breakage with workaround is ok but in this case, the only workaround is to not use edit css and to edit the file directly	[20:43]
nikhilodeon	i really don't care about the edit css bug - i mean it's annoying, but i can transfer the file directly if i need to	[20:45]
nkoth3	which is basically "not using the feature"	[20:45]
nikhilodeon	i am more concerned about the WYSIWIG editor issue	[20:45]
lphuberdeau	that one is fixed	[20:45]
nkoth3	well, I suppose we can release with "edit css" is broken in the release notes the wysiwyg style issue has been fixed	[20:45]
nikhilodeon	right - once i finish the install i will report back w my happy findings	[20:46]
nkoth3	and give some security reason for not having edit css but's it's lame - kind of	[20:46]
nyloth	nkoth3: I would prefer fixing it asap instead of trying to explain things... the fix is just a small change	[20:47]
nikhilodeon	is there any way to gracefully restrict css? eg, add an alert saying "restricted input" if these tags get inserted	[20:47]
lphuberdeau	that can be added on the doc page for the release release notes just link to it	[20:47]
nyloth	lphuberdeau: on the doc page, yes. And saying that it's one of the fixes that will be included in 2.1	[20:47]
lphuberdeau	like "Known issues" section	[20:48]
nkoth3	ok - I suppose it is fair	[20:48]
lphuberdeau	releasing in 3...	[20:48]
nyloth	nikhilodeon: not really for 2.0	[20:48]
lphuberdeau	2... 1... (waiting a little more in case there is some network lag...)	[20:48]
nkoth3	i have replied to your email to dev list	[20:49]
lphuberdeau	https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=64258&package_id=266122&release_id=619233&abmode=1	[20:50]
nyloth	YYYYYYEEEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHH !!! Congratulations to all :D - Thanx lphuberdeau :) :)	[20:50]
lphuberdeau	looking at the file size always reminds me how terrible zip is as a compression format can't believe it's the default in windows world	[20:50]
nikhilodeon	lphuberdeau - are these the same files that are available @ http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/tikirel/ ?	[20:52]
lphuberdeau	yes	[20:52]
nkoth3	we are quite sure that issue you had is fixed. is anyone editing http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Tikiwiki+2.0?	[20:53]
lphuberdeau	just did, but I'm done	[20:54]
nyloth	not editing it	[20:54]
nkoth3	ok.	[20:54]
lphuberdeau	added a section at the end well, time to go back home back in a few	[20:55]
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nikhilodeon	hey one question i have - is it possible to preserve the "Last Modification: Monday 11 of August, 2008 14:34:32 CDT by JohnSmith" that appears at the footer of a page, when it is included by another?	[20:57]
kerrnel	Ok, I get the following error now with trunk: [error] PHP Fatal error: main(): Failed opening required 'tiki-db-adodb.php' (include_path='lib/pear:lib:/usr/local/data/wardialer/www/cms/:.:/usr/local/lib/php') in /usr/local/data/wardialer/www/cms/db/tiki-db.php on line 118	[20:58]
nyloth	nikhilodeon: may have to check, but I suppose not since it's not in the content of the page.	[20:58]
kerrnel	I suspect this has to do with the php5 changes? I'm guessing they are still optional?	[20:59]
nyloth	kerrnel: yes, it's optionnal... do you have this file on your filesystem ?	[20:59]
kerrnel	which file? tiki-db-adodb.php?	[21:00]
nyloth	tiki-db-adodb.php yes	[21:01]
kerrnel	no thought diff would have highlighted missing files. this sucks	[21:02]
nyloth	marclaporte: around ?	[21:04]
marclaporte	yes (barely) sorry, not very available these days	[21:04]
nyloth	marclaporte: no problem :) But for 2.0 release, are you ok for marketing stuff and so on ? s/ok/ready/	[21:05]
marclaporte	nyloth: well not really	[21:06]
nyloth	marclaporte: what's missing ?	[21:06]
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marclaporte	http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Tikiwiki+2.0 needs love I will announce on Freshmeat	[21:07]
nyloth	at least wikipedia is up-to-date pkdille modified it	[21:07]
marclaporte	list of listings is here: http://info.tikiwiki.org/Fact+sheet I will take care of a few because I have account there	[21:08]
kerrnel	DOes anybody know what json_encode() is ? supposedly it's in tikilib or that's where it's called from	[21:16]
nyloth	marclaporte: will you make the announce on info.tw.o ?	[21:18]
marclaporte	unless someone volunteers :-) franck did last time	[21:18]
kerrnel	And how does one properly delete something from the trunk? I've tried svn del and that old since_last_visit2 module still shows up in my diffs, messing up my output	[21:19]
nkoth3	I have to catch a train. will be back on when I'm on board/	[21:20]
marclaporte	while I fight with Freshmeat	[21:20]
nyloth	nkoth3: when will you come back ?	[21:20]
nkoth3	online? about 1 hour time	[21:21]
kerrnel	[error] PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined function: json_encode() in /usr/local/data/wardialer/www/cms/lib/tikilib.php on line 5268	[21:21]
nyloth	kerrnel: svn del is fine nkoth3: ok... are you really in a hurry, right now ?	[21:21]
nkoth3	maybe json is not installed on your php?	[21:21]
kerrnel	I've tried that. I just noticed when I did an svn up that it listed it as a D, so maybe it took this time	[21:21]
nkoth3	nyloth: what is i? it?	[21:21]
nyloth	kerrnel: for json, ask lph	[21:22]
kerrnel	This is why I don't like adding minor features to trunk too much changes in trunk	[21:22]
nyloth	nkoth3: I thought it could be a good idea that you wrote the news on info.tw.o	[21:22]
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nyloth	nkoth3: as the official release manager for 2.0	[21:22]
nkoth3	well. n one hour I will do it if marc hasn't done it yet good point	[21:22]
nyloth	nkoth3: ok	[21:22]
nkoth3	ok. in one hour of course I can delegate it.... :)	[21:22]
nyloth	:)	[21:24]
nkoth3	anyway - i'll check wheni'm back.	[21:24]
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SEWilco2	Oh, goodie. HTML page the client sent me to test has Javascript. Did I hear that trunk has st<x>yle fix?	[21:27]
kerrnel	Is lph around? My test site that I'm using to prep for my upgrade is broken	[21:28]
nyloth	SEWilco2: yes, style is not anymore catched. But there still is sanitization, so javascript won't be allowed. kerrnel: you mean by the json stuff ?	[21:28]
kerrnel	And I can't roll back because all the php5 date stuff was done after his changes	[21:29]
SEWilco2	OK. I'll desanitize it in the DB.	[21:29]
kerrnel	yes. The only place I can find json_encode as a function is inside a plugin pear uses json->encode	[21:29]
nyloth	kerrnel: but why did you took 3.0 instead of 2.0 ?	[21:29]
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kerrnel	because I need minor features and you guys won't let me commit them to any 2.0 stuff, so they have to go into 3.0	[21:30]
nyloth	kerrnel: ok, good reason ;p	[21:30]
SEWilco2	Bah... tiki_html_pages has stuff inside a "do not edit" BLOB. OK, checking to see if there is a Module for an Iframe.	[21:31]
kerrnel	Looks like json also has ties to mootools which I don't have enabled	[21:32]
nyloth	SEWilco2: you can disable sanitization inside php, just the time you need to save your html page kerrnel: by the way, json* are php5 specific function	[21:32]
SEWilco2	nyloth: OK. That might work, unless client keeps needing changes.	[21:33]
kerrnel	then those apparent invisible changes are not invisible afterall	[21:33]
SEWilco2	php4 is no longer supported by PHP, so is being php5 specific still an issue?	[21:34]
nyloth	SEWilco2: I think not, but kerrnel has a PHP4 only webhosting, it seems	[21:35]
kerrnel	YES	[21:35]
nyloth	kerrnel: did you contact your host ? PHP4 is really dead now, it's just not an announce, it's really a reality	[21:35]
marclaporte	http://info.tikiwiki.org/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=35	[21:35]
SEWilco2	SEWilco2 shoves the dinosaurs closer together so there's room for PHP4.	[21:36]
marclaporte	grrrr timezone bug from 1.9.xx	[21:36]
kerrnel	I asked for a couple weeks before we decided on php5-only. I did contact our server folks and they are still trying to get an answer. I gather they are busy with some other projects.	[21:36]
nyloth	marclaporte: LOL ... upgrade to 2.0 !	[21:36]
marclaporte	hehe will do soon	[21:36]
nyloth	kerrnel: yes, sure, this is why sept_7 commited things optionnally. But probably lph code was already commited when this was decided kerrnel: they are busy with projects like.... migrating to php5 ? ;-p	[21:37]
kerrnel	I'd upgrade to 5 in a hearbeat if I can get confirmation that it's supported. But that still doesn't erase the fact that because of my feature upgrades, that I still might totally break my site now because I need to use the 3.0 base instead of the less experimental 2.0 branch.	[21:38]
nyloth	kerrnel: In fact, you have to admit that no serious company will propose php4 only, now	[21:38]
kerrnel	Probably not, but our systems people can only upgrade to what they have available as far as supportable precompiled packages go.	[21:39]
nyloth	kerrnel: maybe just comment the code with json, for the moment	[21:39]
kerrnel	It looks like doing so could potentially break all of my plugins	[21:40]
nyloth	kerrnel: I think it's mainly in tiki-jsplugin.php, which is used only for plugin help, afaik	[21:41]
kerrnel	Except my site is bombing in tikilib.	[21:41]
nyloth	kerrnel: yes, but surely you can replace this : if( $plugin_editable ) { by this : if( $plugin_editable && false ) { ; in tikilib, line 5264	[21:42]
kerrnel	Well, I did that and now I have no modules showing up on the left or the right correction, they appear at the bottom of the page under "Sidebar" headings	[21:44]
marclaporte	freshmeat announce is sent (waiting to be approved)	[21:45]
nyloth	marclaporte: cool :)	[21:46]
marclaporte	nyloth: : for security, let's give credit	[21:46]
nyloth	kerrnel: I tested on my install and don't have the problem here	[21:46]
kerrnel	are you running php4?	[21:47]
nyloth	marclaporte: security credits are on tw.o 2.0 release notes	[21:47]
marclaporte	http://tikiwiki.org/ReleaseNotes20#Security -> all there?	[21:47]
nyloth	kerrnel: no, I don't even know were to find php4, but I just checked that the modification I proposed does not break things by itseld s/itseld/itself/ marclaporte: maybe we should also add securfrog	[21:48]
marclaporte	can you add? I will copy that on info.tw.o as well	[21:49]
kerrnel	Then there are other changes that I need to track down that occurred. I haven't been updating all of my site's files, just the ones I change. Everything was fine Friday but today with the php5 changes, I ended up forced to upgdate to the entire 3.0 trunk and now it's not working this is a serious setback for me.	[21:49]
nyloth	marclaporte: but we didn't have the final feedback from him...	[21:50]
marclaporte	can someone tell me how many code commits by how many different people (ideally, the sf logins) of people that worked on 2.0?	[21:50]
nyloth	marclaporte: sf logins are in copyright.txt ; commits number is the last number in changelog.txt minus the first number for 2.0 changelog	[21:51]
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nyloth	marclaporte: number that worked on 2.0 can be obtained by a svn command + shell script marclaporte: I let you add securfrog, since it seems you are still editing the page :)	[21:52]
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marclaporte	hehe, no I am out now :-)	[21:56]
SEWilco2	Plugin googlecalendar gives a file copying error on 2.0RC4 during plugin installation.	[21:56]
franck	marclaporte: you want me to announce 2.0?	[21:57]
marclaporte	already done	[21:57]
tomekkott	btw, congratulations on 2.0 guys and gals!	[21:58]
nyloth	marclaporte: 84 different commiters for 2.0 marclaporte: I have the list if needed	[21:58]
marclaporte	yes, please	[21:58]
SEWilco2	Does that 2.0 total count 1.9.10 activity?	[21:58]
tomekkott	i have a question though, once I get the mysql->oracle php file done, which branch should I commit to?	[21:59]
nyloth	marclaporte: I sent you the list by mail SEWilco2: no, I only took 2.0 in consideration, not 1.9.x	[22:00]
lphuberdeau	(includes 1.10 though)	[22:01]
nyloth	yes	[22:01]
SEWilco2	nyloth: OK, 1.10 is what I meant.	[22:01]
nyloth	ok	[22:02]
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SEWilco2	SEWilco2 opens his keyboard and removes his .9 key.	[22:02]
nyloth	in fact, it's 83, not 84, because there was a (no author) entry , due to cvs to svn migration	[22:02]
SEWilco2	Oh, give no author his due.	[22:03]
nyloth	:)	[22:03]
SEWilco2	Unfortunately, his due is -1.	[22:03]
nyloth	lol... cvs2svn script has done a good and hard job :)	[22:03]
franck	marclaporte: change the IRC title	[22:04]
SEWilco2	SEWilco2 prints a "no author" T-shirt. Nothing on the back, of course.	[22:04]
marclaporte	nyloth: there is a (no author)	[22:05]
franck	ok bbl	[22:05]
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nyloth	marclaporte: yes, I said this already :) marclaporte: just for fun, I also sent you the number of commits for each committers	[22:05]
marclaporte	jyhem and Jyhem	[22:06]
nyloth	marclaporte: pfff, what an idea to change the login ...	[22:08]
marclaporte	hehe so 82	[22:09]
nyloth	yep	[22:10]
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marclaporte	TikiWiki 2.0 is out! Welcome to TikiWiki! - Just ask, don't ask to ask !!! - Support only for 1.9.11 (legacy) and 2.0 (stable) - Don't paste code/errors here, use http://sh.nu/p - IRC-logging at http://irc.tikiwiki.org - Thanks and have fun! :) I am not OP can someone make me OP?	[22:13]
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tomekkott	quick question, is '' (empty string) considered NULL by MySQL?	[22:15]
kerrnel	Is anybody having trouble with svn?	[22:16]
lphuberdeau	tom, no	[22:16]
kerrnel	Finding it timing out when downloading logs and stuff	[22:16]
tomekkott	hmm, when translating to oracle, it seems that it considers '' a NULL value i'll just change it to have a space at least down to only ~150 errors upon installation from 1500 not bad :) btw, if I ever get around to committing the changes to the mysqltooracle.php script, I should do it dev branch, right?	[22:16]
marclaporte	nyloth: please come to #tikiwiki-monitor	[22:19]
lphuberdeau	trunk is the place, yes	[22:22]
kerrnel	Can someone with php4 please try running the latest trunk? I want to make sure its not just me that's having the problem with this json_encode thing	[22:23]
lphuberdeau	probably true you can disable feature_edit_plugin will fix if we decide to support PHP4 (unlikely)	[22:24]
kerrnel	It looks like this was introduced during a merge for 2.0 How do I turn off edit_plugin?	[22:26]
marclaporte	I count a total of 6894 commits	[22:27]
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lphuberdeau	DB for the moment	[22:27]
kerrnel	seriously	[22:27]
lphuberdeau	was introduced from a merge from branches/experimental	[22:27]
marclaporte	who is OP on this channel?	[22:28]
kerrnel	All comments indicate branches/2.0	[22:29]
lphuberdeau	rev number?	[22:29]
kerrnel	I went back to 13964	[22:29]
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kerrnel	may have happened after that, but all merges after that were 2.0	[22:30]
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lphuberdeau	are you certain it's a merge?	[22:31]
kerrnel	not certain no 13976	[22:31]
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kerrnel	So no, not a merge	[22:34]
lphuberdeau	doesn't look like this has anything to do with json_encode	[22:35]
kerrnel	If I do a diff on the next most recent commit the - and + both have json_encode in them In 13976, there is clearly a - with a non-json_encode and a + with a json_encode	[22:36]
lphuberdeau	13977? that's different	[22:37]
kerrnel	unless I'm reading it wrong No, just for tikilib.php That's where my site keeps bombng	[22:37]
lphuberdeau	I look at the diff with the version you point out and it's completely unrelated	[22:38]
kerrnel	The commits to that are 13976, 13991, 14032, 14034, etc svn diff -r13976 lib/tikilib.php that's what I'm entering. My local copy was updated about an hour ago	[22:38]
lphuberdeau	that's not how you check diffs svn diff -r13975:13976 I don't know what the other thing shows, but it's probably meaningless probably all the changes since, or reverse patch... could be anything	[22:39]
kerrnel	I'm reading it wrong nevermind tired, pissed off, and just need to go home and sleep.	[22:40]
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nyloth_	nyloth_ has to go now... see you later	[22:58]
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Webmaster	hi i need to upgrade my tikiwiki	[23:34]
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Webmaster	how do i do so?	[23:35]
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