#tikiwiki 2008-08-12,Tue

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Who	What	When
lphuberdeau	which version are you updating from / how did you install? missed this one was a patient one	[00:02]
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marclaporte	hehe	[00:53]
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Darkbee	Great work on 2.0 devs! Looks great. Tiki is improving all the time and I've only been using it 6 months!	[02:16]
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NightWork	Can anyone explain how how backlinking works?	[05:33]
SEWilco	NightWork: Do you mean how the info is stored, or how to use it? (it's a pulldown menu of Wiki pages with wikilinks to the current page)	[05:34]
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NightWork	I guess what I am most interested in getting the pages easy to follow with somesort of ordered format. I looked at categories, sturctures and backlinks and still dont know what the best way is I thought the orphan pages would be a great way check that no pages are left behind, but all my pages are orphaned.	[06:35]
chibaguy	Nightwork, orphan pages are pages that are not linked to from other pages. Is this the case at your site?	[06:44]
luciash	polom polom congrats for the 2.0 release everyone ! :)	[06:47]
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NightWork	I have made several links from pages. But they still are orphan	[07:21]
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chibaguy	The _linked-to_ pages are listed as orphans?	[07:42]
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Paragtim	Hi all - Anybody know a fix for the FCKeditor toolbar doesn't exist error?	[08:27]
NightWork	yep, the pages that I have links too are listed as orphan. I used the regular link format of [link_address\|Link Text] and the link works fine. But the pages are still listed as orphan	[08:36]
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luciash	NightWork: you have to use wiki link syntax, not external link syntax	[09:53]
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pujib	hi, all. is __==some-text==__ formatting breaking the definition list (so, ;__==la-la-la==__:bu-bu-bu doesn't work) a by-design feature or a bug of tikiwiki-2.0?	[11:16]
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luciash	pujib: afaik ==foo== is no tikiwiki syntax pujib: {DL()}__===la-la-la===__:bu-bu-bu{DL} works	[11:58]
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pujib	luciash: thanks a lot, that's what i needed (yes ==foo== is a typo, i meant ===foo===)	[12:04]
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pujib	does {DL} have some parameters? i could use them to reduce space between neighbour definitions which is too big	[12:09]
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pujib	oh, never mind, i got it how to use them correctly, that fixes excessive space	[12:13]
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Bilal	any tikiwiki expert here? helloo	[13:00]
ricks99_	hi Bilal	[13:00]
Bilal	hi ricks99_ ricks99_: do you know to work with TIKIWIKI ?	[13:00]
ricks99_	sure. i can try to help	[13:01]
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Bilal	helloo any tikiwiki expert here?	[14:36]
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ricks99_	hi Bilal	[15:48]
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marclaporte	hi Bilal Bilal: : I got your email. How are you?	[15:54]
Bilal	hi marclaporte marclaporte: glad to see you, just figuring TIKIWIKI out	[15:54]
marclaporte	hehe I am glad you are looking into it lots to learn	[15:55]
Bilal	you had a look at our website marclaporte ?	[15:55]
marclaporte	1.9.11 or 2.0 for you?	[15:55]
Bilal	1.9.11 not the latest one marclaporte: i will appreciate if you can have a look around	[15:56]
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kerrnel	Howdy	[16:44]
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kerrnel	is there a problem with the cvs mailing list on svn? s/svn/sf/ actually, none of the mailing lists are working on sf	[16:44]
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lphuberdeau	I receive svn commit messages every day	[16:49]
kerrnel	I mean the archive	[16:49]
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kerrnel	it says it is either not archived yet, or no emails have been sent to it	[16:50]
	How can I find out what files were affected by a revision number in svn?	[16:55]
lphuberdeau	svn log -v -r234	[16:59]
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nyloth	Hi all :)	[17:15]
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PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by jonnybradley :: r 14185 /trunk/: [MOD] Added .cache to svn:ignore (dir generated by Eclipe PDT)	[17:33]
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marclaporte	polom kerrnel: : feeling better today?	[17:37]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 14187 /trunk/lib/ (7 files in 2 dirs): [MOD] More info functions	[17:39]
kerrnel	No my site is completely broken and no matter what I try to do to fix it, it remains broken I'm having to push out my upgrade indefinitely	[17:44]
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kerrnel	I turned off mootools and shadowbox (neither of which I ever recall activating) and suddenly I have a feature_pear_date disabled and an anon_contact disabled. My understanding was the pear date was for php4, so I don't know what's going on. Something's changed significantly with the templates or something else that I need to track down because I've got the left and right bars at the bottom of my page under each other. And my phplayers menu is gone. Does anybody know what the "programmer" tab is and why Workflow is now under it instead of Experimental?	[17:50]
marclaporte	because it's for programmers and it's not experimental it works in production for many people non-programmers can't use Galaxia and they can be disappointed (I changed that)	[17:51]
lphuberdeau	kerrnel, changes are expected in trunk...	[17:53]
ricks99_	* rick thinks that the tab labels could be improved...	[17:53]
kerrnel	Yes, but I am forced to use trunk because of the features I need in 2.0 why does nobody understand this? I don't want to use trunk. I'd prefer a MINOR feature branch in 2.0 based on a non-experimental codebase. But I can't have that, so I have to use trunk	[17:54]
lphuberdeau	the whole point of using a dev branch is to do dev, something you have to live with if you use trunk anywhere close to production having minor feature branches on a 6 month release schedule is overkill I don't think we ever released at intervals shorter than 6 month anyway you might want to ask nyloth how they deal with it, because they handle custom stuff and integrate in trunk	[17:55]
kerrnel	No use in me arguing my point.	[18:03]
lphuberdeau	there are alternatives on your side, but we can't turn around the community to fit your schedule recommended reading of the day: Software Configuration Management Patterns	[18:04]
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kerrnel	yeah, thanks, I'll go read that	[18:08]
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tomekkott	hi all i got the install script to install all the oracle sql statements correctly now i need to debug the other files that seem to be going wrong. All I get is a simple error message in a template, is there a way to get more error information (such as which file gave the error?)	[18:59]
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MacLeod	CONGRATULATIONS ON THE RELEASE!!! :) :) MacLeod can't wait to try it. Gave our contractors the order to set up a test site ASAP.	[19:01]
lphuberdeau	tom, that's where the fun starts isn't it? ;)	[19:12]
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nikhilodeon	hi has anyone worked with moreneat.css much? i have a problem with "stacking" of the right-hand column over the main column in Internet Explorer...of course it looks great in Firefox	[19:37]
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MacLeod	Hm, doc.tw.o isn't running 2.0 yet... is there a tw.o or other TW site where I can try out 2.0's fckeditor implementation? I've got a page in doc.tw.o in edit mode, but I don't see how to make it show as WYSIWYG instead of wiki syntax	[19:56]
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lphuberdeau	not enabled on doc	[20:02]
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lphuberdeau	you can't go back and forth from wysiwyg to wiki at this time, which is why it's still in experimental we want doc to remain wiki	[20:03]
MacLeod	so wysiwyg only outputs HTML?	[20:04]
lphuberdeau	yes	[20:05]
MacLeod	ack. Can individual pages be protected so that they remain wiki syntax?	[20:06]
lphuberdeau	main issue is that FCK not only produces HTML, it produces bad HTML I don't know about that	[20:07]
MacLeod	:(	[20:07]
lphuberdeau	I would guess that if created wiki, it remains wiki	[20:08]
MacLeod	that would be much better than if a wysiwyg-happy editor were able to destroy my wiki syntax pages	[20:08]
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lphuberdeau	rollback still works ;)	[20:09]
MacLeod	some of them depend on modules and tw syntax tricks yah, but it won't do much for encouraging editing among users who hate HTML and wiki syntax	[20:09]
lphuberdeau	that's why it was moved to experimental, we need a better solution	[20:10]
MacLeod	MacLeod doesn't understand what "moved to experimental" means	[20:11]
lphuberdeau	in the feature list, it's in the experimental tab	[20:11]
MacLeod	ok, it's not considered a ready-for-primetime feature	[20:12]
lphuberdeau	more like use at your own risk, because it does work	[20:12]
MacLeod	is there a part of tw.o that talks about this?	[20:13]
lphuberdeau	docs? (guessing)	[20:13]
MacLeod	nah, WYSIWYG section of docs is basically a stub	[20:13]
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nikhilodeon	wow so it looks like FCKEditor might be replaced in the next release?	[20:29]
lphuberdeau	maybe not the next one still no good candidate out there	[20:30]
nikhilodeon	bummer - i thought FCKEditor was gonna be the silver bullet for non-Wikitexters who wanted to add formatting hey btw has anyone else had any issues with viewing moreneat.css in IE? the right column appears stacked on top of the main column for me	[20:30]
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MacLeod	@nikh: i was excited about FCKeditor, too. And not just because of the name.	[20:36]
nikhilodeon	haha yeah i almost got fired for suggesting the editor based on the name alone	[20:41]
MacLeod	nice	[20:44]
tomekkott	hi all, I had a rather silly sounding question about installations. I am about to install tw2.0. When there are new versions out (bugfixes and the like), do I just overwrite my tw directory and I'm upgraded?	[20:47]
lphuberdeau	need to run an SQL update script too	[20:48]
tomekkott	i presume there's a web interface for that?	[20:49]
lphuberdeau	tiki-install does it	[20:49]
tomekkott	ahh, i see, so I just run tiki-install again	[20:49]
lphuberdeau	can't say if it will work on oracle	[20:55]
MacLeod	MacLeod waves	[20:55]
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tomekkott	hehe, yeah that's my worry... but i'll get to that when I get to that. I'm down to about 50 errors on the normal install	[20:55]
lphuberdeau	are they getting harder to solve / more specific?	[20:56]
tomekkott	yeah its also that the SQL syntax on the normal MySQL file gets more wonky the further down so I have to do more checking etc i'm still going to have to figure out how to change any and all long tablenames and columns that's probably half the errors at the moment	[20:56]
lphuberdeau	can be hard to fix affects code as well how many symbols cause problems?	[20:59]
tomekkott	exactly about 20 or 30	[20:59]
lphuberdeau	might be able to hack the driver to find/replace those specific ones like before the actual query execution	[21:00]
tomekkott	yeah, and I think half of them might go if I do a general replace of tiki_ with t_ or something hmm that is an idea	[21:00]
lphuberdeau	if you just truncate them, do you get conflicts?	[21:02]
tomekkott	yes on some, things like "live_support_message_comments" the problem is that in oracle you need sequences and triggers	[21:02]
lphuberdeau	oh, right, not fun	[21:02]
tomekkott	so the easiest thing is to take the table name and add a letter	[21:03]
lphuberdeau	for live support... you can ignore them safely you're probably not going to use that	[21:03]
tomekkott	but that means you have "live_support_message_commentsS" and "live_support_message_commentsT" yeah, but while I'm at it, I'd like to get things working :) plus, if I can find an easy fix to that, I will fix related problems in say "content_templates_sections" and "tracker_item" both of which I want to use	[21:03]
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lphuberdeau	replacements could do it	[21:08]
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tomekkott	yeah, I have a ruby script already that looks for all occurences of case 'oci8': and adds in case 'oracle': in all the files of the directory i figure i'll just do something similar for the table names	[21:09]
lphuberdeau	you can just patch the query function and avoid replacing everything everywhere	[21:10]
tomekkott	is there only one query function though?	[21:11]
lphuberdeau	should all go down to the same place in the end	[21:11]
tomekkott	you wouldn't happen to know off the top of your head where?	[21:14]
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lphuberdeau	my guess would be lib/tiki-db.php although I may be wrong on the exact filename	[21:14]
marclaporte	marclaporte hopes tiki will work well on Oracle.... marclaporte has an Oracle DB CD somewhere and was looking for a reason to use it...	[21:17]
lphuberdeau	you can just as well download it from their website	[21:18]
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tomekkott	out of curiosity, who or what updates the main install sql script? or is it all commits?	[21:19]
lphuberdeau	done before releases, or when someone feels like it	[21:19]
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tomekkott	could there be a warning somewhere to please keep one style of sql?	[21:20]
lphuberdeau	well, if you could summarize what's causing you problem, we can update guidelines and review for it	[21:22]
tomekkott	well, its just that if you look at the beginning of the file, and at the end of the file, the syntax is different, such as at first, nothing has `, then slowly ` start creeping in. Then things are FULL CAPS or not caps. Then things such as INDEX are used instead of KEY, and theres KEY something ('something') or KEY ('something') or KEY('something') or any other countless variations. So I guess I would prefer someone to copy the style at the beginning of t sorry, long rant	[21:24]
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lphuberdeau	can you email me these things with examples?	[21:25]
tomekkott	sure	[21:25]
lphuberdeau	lphuberdeau@tikiwiki.org is supposed to work, never tried it	[21:25]
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tomekkott	ok i'll work on that in a second	[21:27]
lphuberdeau	take your time, probably won't look at it until tomorrow	[21:28]
tomekkott	rightio	[21:28]
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PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by sept_7 :: r 14188 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] don't include cssmenu if they are not enabled SVN: Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 14187 /trunk/lib/ (7 files in 2 dirs): [MOD] More info functions SVN: Commit by sept_7 :: r 14186 /trunk/templates/tiki-admin-include-general.tpl: [FIX] hum... BPB for sylvie : missing table tag tr/td and capitalisation was missing	[21:53]
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icltlfatppl	anyone know where the captcha module for tikiwiki is? I can see that it's been implemented but can't find it in the docs.	[22:30]
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tomekkott	does anyone know the FIRST function that checks the database in tiki-index.php (inlcuding all included files)	[22:59]
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SEWilco2_	I see that Dynamic Content descriptions are in tiki_content. Where is the corresponding HTML? The tables with obvious names are empty, so I haven't found the right one yet.	[23:09]
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SEWilco2	NM. Found it in tiki_programmed_content.	[23:13]
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PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by kerrnel22 :: r 14192 /branches/experimental/kerrnel-2.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [MOD] Added a quiet option to plugin so that you can optionally display 'No articles.' in a page, or nothing if there happen to be none.	[23:27]
tomekkott	please, anyone, I really really really really need a better debug than a "Tikiwiki is unable to coonnect to database" error at least which file?!	[23:30]
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tomekkott	really, all i need to know is WHERE to start fixing things for oracle. But I'm going CRAZY just trying to find out where to start. All I keep getting is an "invalid character" error. which is fine, if I knew what tw was trying to do please anyone, i'm really going crazy	[23:33]
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tomekkott	please? anyone? is there anyway to execute php line by line through a webclient? i am seriously begging someone to know anything about better debugging, line by line, or something, because I cannot find where in the world the error is being thrown pleeasepleeasepleeasepleeasepleeasepleeasepleease if you know, please email gmail: tkott.spam seriously, i'm begging	[23:35]
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