which version are you updating from / how did you install?
missed this one
was a patient one
hehe
Great work on 2.0 devs!  Looks great.  Tiki is improving all the time and I've only been using it 6 months!
Can anyone explain how how backlinking works?
NightWork: Do you mean how the info is stored, or how to use it?  (it's a pulldown menu of Wiki pages with wikilinks to the current page)
I guess what I am most interested in getting the pages easy to follow with somesort of ordered format.
I looked at categories, sturctures and backlinks and still dont know what the best way is
I thought the orphan pages would be a great way check that no pages are left behind, but all my pages are orphaned.
Nightwork, orphan pages are pages that are not linked to from other pages. Is this the case at your site?
polom polom
congrats for the 2.0 release everyone ! :)
I have made several links from pages. But they still are orphan
The _linked-to_ pages are listed as orphans?
Hi all - Anybody know a fix for the FCKeditor toolbar doesn't exist error?
yep, the pages that I have links too are listed as orphan. I used the regular link format of [link_address|Link Text] and the link works fine. But the pages are still listed as orphan
NightWork: you have to use wiki link syntax, not external link syntax
hi, all. is __==some-text==__ formatting breaking the definition list (so, ;__==la-la-la==__:bu-bu-bu doesn't work) a by-design feature or a bug of tikiwiki-2.0?
pujib: afaik ==foo== is no tikiwiki syntax
pujib: {DL()}__===la-la-la===__:bu-bu-bu{DL} works
luciash: thanks a lot, that's what i needed
(yes ==foo== is a typo, i meant ===foo===)
does {DL} have some parameters? i could use them to reduce space between neighbour definitions which is too big
oh, never mind, i got it how to use them correctly, that fixes excessive space
any tikiwiki expert here?
helloo
hi Bilal
hi ricks99_ 
ricks99_: do you know to work with TIKIWIKI ? 
sure. i can try to help
helloo
any tikiwiki expert here?
hi Bilal
hi Bilal
Bilal: : I got your email. How are you?
hi marclaporte 
marclaporte: glad to see you, just figuring TIKIWIKI out 
hehe
I am glad you are looking into it
lots to learn
you had a look at our website marclaporte ?
1.9.11 or 2.0 for you?
1.9.11 
not the latest one 
marclaporte: i will appreciate if you can have a look around
Howdy
is there a problem with the cvs mailing list on svn?
s/svn/sf/
actually, none of the mailing lists are working on sf
I receive svn commit messages every day
I mean the archive
it says it is either not archived yet, or no emails have been sent to it
How can I find out what files were affected by a revision number in svn?
svn log -v -r234
Hi all :)
SVN:  Commit by jonnybradley :: r 14185 /trunk/: [MOD] Added .cache to svn:ignore (dir generated by Eclipe PDT)  
polom
kerrnel: : feeling better today?
SVN:  Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 14187 /trunk/lib/ (7 files in 2 dirs): [MOD] More info functions  
No
my site is completely broken and no matter what I try to do to fix it, it remains broken
I'm having to push out my upgrade indefinitely
I turned off mootools and shadowbox (neither of which I ever recall activating) and suddenly I have a feature_pear_date disabled and an anon_contact disabled.  My understanding was the pear date was for php4, so I don't know what's going on.
Something's changed significantly with the templates or something else that I need to track down because I've got the left and right bars at the bottom of my page under each other.  And my phplayers menu is gone.
Does anybody know what the "programmer" tab is and why Workflow is now under it instead of Experimental?
because it's for programmers
and it's not experimental
it works in production for many people
non-programmers can't use Galaxia and they can be disappointed
(I changed that)
kerrnel, changes are expected in trunk...
* rick thinks that the tab labels could be improved...
Yes, but I am forced to use trunk because of the features I need in 2.0
why does nobody understand this?
I don't want to use trunk.  I'd prefer a MINOR feature branch in 2.0 based on a non-experimental codebase.
But I can't have that, so I have to use trunk
the whole point of using a dev branch is to do dev, something you have to live with if you use trunk anywhere close to production
having minor feature branches on a 6 month release schedule is overkill
I don't think we ever released at intervals shorter than 6 month anyway
you might want to ask nyloth how they deal with it, because they handle custom stuff and integrate in trunk
No use in me arguing my point.
there are alternatives on your side, but we can't turn around the community to fit your schedule
recommended reading of the day: Software Configuration Management Patterns
yeah, thanks, I'll go read that
hi all
i got the install script to install all the oracle sql statements correctly
now i need to debug the other files that seem to be going wrong. All I get is a simple error message in a template, is there a way to get more error information (such as which file gave the error?)
CONGRATULATIONS ON THE RELEASE!!!  :)  :)
tom, that's where the fun starts isn't it? ;)
hi has anyone worked with moreneat.css much? i have a problem with "stacking" of the right-hand column over the main column in Internet Explorer...of course it looks great in Firefox
Hm, doc.tw.o isn't running 2.0 yet...  is there a tw.o or other TW site where I can try out 2.0's fckeditor implementation?
I've got a page in doc.tw.o in edit mode, but I don't see how to make it show as WYSIWYG instead of wiki syntax
not enabled on doc
you can't go back and forth from wysiwyg to wiki at this time, which is why it's still in experimental
we want doc to remain wiki
so wysiwyg only outputs HTML?
yes
ack.
Can individual pages be protected so that they remain wiki syntax?
main issue is that FCK not only produces HTML, it produces bad HTML
I don't know about that
:(
I would guess that if created wiki, it remains wiki
that would be much better than if a wysiwyg-happy editor were able to destroy my wiki syntax pages
rollback still works ;)
some of them depend on modules and tw syntax tricks
yah, but it won't do much for encouraging editing among users who hate HTML and wiki syntax
that's why it was moved to experimental, we need a better solution
in the feature list, it's in the experimental tab
ok, it's not considered a ready-for-primetime feature
more like use at your own risk, because it does work
is there a part of tw.o that talks about this?
docs? (guessing)
nah, WYSIWYG section of docs is basically a stub
wow so it looks like FCKEditor might be replaced in the next release?
maybe not the next one
still no good candidate out there
bummer - i thought FCKEditor was gonna be the silver bullet for non-Wikitexters who wanted to add formatting
hey btw has anyone else had any issues with viewing moreneat.css in IE? the right column appears stacked on top of the main column for me
@nikh:  i was excited about FCKeditor, too.  And not just because of the name.
haha
yeah i almost got fired for suggesting the editor based on the name alone
nice
hi all, I had a rather silly sounding question about installations. I am about to install tw2.0. When there are new versions out (bugfixes and the like), do I just overwrite my tw directory and I'm upgraded?
need to run an SQL update script too
i presume there's a web interface for that?
tiki-install does it
ahh, i see, so I just run tiki-install again
can't say if it will work on oracle
hehe, yeah that's my worry... but i'll get to that when I get to that. I'm down to about 50 errors on the normal install
are they getting harder to solve / more specific?
yeah
its also that the SQL syntax on the normal MySQL file gets more wonky the further down
so I have to do more checking etc
i'm still going to have to figure out how to change any and all long tablenames and columns
that's probably half the errors at the moment
can be hard to fix
affects code as well
how many symbols cause problems?
exactly
about 20 or 30
might be able to hack the driver to find/replace those specific ones
like before the actual query execution
yeah, and I think half of them might go if I do a general replace of tiki_ with t_ or something
hmm that is an idea
if you just truncate them, do you get conflicts?
yes on some, things like "live_support_message_comments"
the problem is that in oracle you need sequences and triggers
oh, right, not fun
so the easiest thing is to take the table name and add a letter
for live support... you can ignore them safely
you're probably not going to use that
but that means you have "live_support_message_commentsS" and "live_support_message_commentsT"
yeah, but while I'm at it, I'd like to get things working :)
plus, if I can find an easy fix to that, I will fix related problems in say "content_templates_sections" and "tracker_item"
both of which I want to use
replacements could do it
yeah, I have a ruby script already that looks for all occurences of case 'oci8': and adds in case 'oracle': in all the files of the directory
i figure i'll just do something similar for the table names
you can just patch the query function and avoid replacing everything everywhere
is there only one query function though?
should all go down to the same place in the end
you wouldn't happen to know off the top of your head where?
my guess would be lib/tiki-db.php
although I may be wrong on the exact filename
you can just as well download it from their website
out of curiosity, who or what updates the main install sql script?
or is it all commits?
done before releases, or when someone feels like it
could there be a warning somewhere to please keep one style of sql? 
well, if you could summarize what's causing you problem, we can update guidelines and review for it
well, its just that if you look at the beginning of the file, and at the end of the file, the syntax is different, such as at first, nothing has `, then slowly ` start creeping in. Then things are FULL CAPS or not caps. Then things such as INDEX are used instead of KEY, and theres KEY something ('something') or KEY ('something') or KEY('something') or any other countless variations. So I guess I would prefer someone to copy the style at the beginning of t
sorry, long rant
can you email me these things with examples?
sure
lphuberdeau@tikiwiki.org is supposed to work, never tried it
ok
i'll work on that in a second
take your time, probably won't look at it until tomorrow
rightio
SVN:  Commit by sept_7 :: r 14188 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] don't include cssmenu if they are not enabled  
SVN:  Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 14187 /trunk/lib/ (7 files in 2 dirs): [MOD] More info functions  
SVN:  Commit by sept_7 :: r 14186 /trunk/templates/tiki-admin-include-general.tpl: [FIX] hum... BPB for sylvie : missing table tag tr/td and capitalisation was missing  
anyone know where the captcha module for tikiwiki is?  I can see that it's been implemented but can't find it in the docs.
does anyone know the FIRST function that checks the database in tiki-index.php (inlcuding all included files)
I see that Dynamic Content descriptions are in tiki_content.  Where is the corresponding HTML?  The tables with obvious names are empty, so I haven't found the right one yet.
NM.  Found it in tiki_programmed_content.
SVN:  Commit by kerrnel22 :: r 14192 /branches/experimental/kerrnel-2.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [MOD] Added a quiet option to plugin so that you can optionally display 'No articles.' in a page, or nothing if there happen to be none.  
please, anyone, I really really really really need a better debug than a "Tikiwiki is unable to coonnect to database" error
at least which file?!
really, all i need to know is WHERE to start fixing things for oracle. But I'm going CRAZY just trying to find out where to start. All I keep getting is an "invalid character" error. which is fine, if I knew what tw was trying to do
please anyone, i'm really going crazy
please? anyone?
is there anyway to execute php line by line through a webclient?
i am seriously begging someone to know anything about better debugging, line by line, or something, because I cannot find where in the world the error is being thrown
pleeasepleeasepleeasepleeasepleeasepleeasepleease
if you know, please email gmail: tkott.spam
seriously, i'm begging