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luciash	polom ! any news from tikifest ?	[06:05]
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Paragtim	Are there problems with spell check?	[07:12]
chibaguy	Hi Paragtim, I never use spell check, as ovbviously have no nede. Whay do you aske?	[07:15]
Paragtim	Throws back an error relating to babl_words. Nothing showing in the docs but a bug report from marchlaporte in Aug 2007	[07:17]
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Paragtim	What a pigs ear. A link in the documentation to a 6 year old 8 Mb sourceforge file and forum entry by rick. Add that to a isp file size restriction of 2 mb and its gonna take a while to sort this out. In the mean time - No spell checker !!	[07:36]
chibaguy	Apparently not a priority. Maybe devs use Firefox.	[07:50]
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Paragtim	Could be! - My lot use IE. But I use FF and it won't work for me either :( I will have to have a look at the sql dump file, split it into smaller pieces and see what happens. I will keep you posted if I find a work around	[07:53]
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chibaguy	FF doesn't work? I get misspelled words underlined, and a right-click brings up options, in the wiki edit textarea.	[07:59]
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Paragtim	The site I am developing is using FCKEditor. That probably makes a difference	[08:00]
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chibaguy	Ah, I don't have that turned on.	[08:01]
Paragtim	It just came as a suprise when I selected the spell check feature in wiki, to get the box in the edit functions and for it to crash with such a spectacular error message	[08:01]
chibaguy	I think the fckeditor integration has quite a few loose ends.	[08:02]
Paragtim	Can't give that to a user as they will run away screaming and never come back - And that puts me out of a job !!	[08:02]
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chibaguy	Well, again, it's marked experimental. Not really meant for normal users yet.	[08:03]
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chibaguy	Now I just read somewhere (xavi?) that fckeditor is going to be replaced with something else. ?? Might be good to ask on tikiwiki-devel what the plan is.	[08:04]
Paragtim	That will be a pity - I've got it working well now. Images and links working sweetly as well as most of the internal functions. And the suits like the way it looks	[08:06]
chibaguy	Somewhere in the past somebody said anything else could be an alternative, not replacement. But I guess that's either offering choice or forcing bloat, depending on how you feel. Doesn't fckeditor have a spellchecker of its own? (maybe not integrated here) http://docs.fckeditor.net/FCKeditor_2.x/Developers_Guide/Configuration/Spell_Checker	[08:07]
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Paragtim	I've just checked on another installation, not using FCKEditor - same problem - Oh well further investigation required !	[08:25]
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ricks99	hi all :)	[11:07]
Paragtim	hi - All well with the world?	[11:10]
ricks99	hurricane hanna has come and gone. so, yes, all is well	[11:12]
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Paragtim	I heard my mother in law was visiting Florida :)	[11:12]
ricks99	still having issues with wiki syntax spellcheck?	[11:14]
Paragtim	Major! I was looking chop the sql dump down to about 5 files and uploading that. What do you think - will iy help	[11:15]
ricks99	not what u mean. simply take the langauge sql and drop it in ur db worked fine for me	[11:16]
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Paragtim	Local size restriction on PHPMyadmin of 2Mb. The sql dump file is nearly 8 Mb	[11:17]
ricks99	ah... y. you'll need to chop the file up :(	[11:18]
Paragtim	I'll have a go at that later in the day. More pressing ....... Do you know if the send and receive objects (Pages) is working ok	[11:18]
ricks99	don't know. never used	[11:21]
Paragtim	Need to find a way of transfering about 20 Pages of documentation from the dev environment to the live site. Any ideas?	[11:22]
ricks99	move 20 wiki pages?	[11:22]
Paragtim	Yep - As a structure ! In a perfect world send the structure as an object	[11:22]
ricks99	not sure you can save the structure, but moving pages is easy just use the "export" pages option then re-import into ur new site	[11:23]
Paragtim	Looks like its going to be cut and paste :( Sorry eport pages ?	[11:24]
ricks99	http://doc.tikiwiki.org/wiki+config#Export_Wiki_Pages use "export" option on the "FROM" site; use the "import" option on the "TO" site (or cut & paste will work, too)	[11:25]
Paragtim	reading the link now !! That will be worth a look - Many thanks. How did tikifest go?	[11:26]
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ricks99	wasnt there :(	[11:30]
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Paragtim	Time to hit the real world - Later All	[11:39]
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ricks99	is there any way to get freetags to appear for each item when displaying search results?	[12:37]
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PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 14638 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [MOD]tracker: disoplays item list value in TRACKER	[18:08]
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magowiz	Hi, I've just upgraded tikiwiki from 1.9.11 to 2.0 , it works but I cannot see the menu	[18:11]
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sylvieg	do you see them as admin - or with another style?	[18:14]
magowiz	I cannot see nothing as admin and nothing as anonymous user, you can see it to www.magowiz.net I can access to admin panel only using direct link to tiki-admin.php . Is it a cache issue ?	[18:16]
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sylvieg	it can be - clear all the cache I see the menu	[18:21]
kerrnel	Anybody know if there is/was a bug related to the auto-increment field?	[18:22]
sylvieg	... so perhaps it is the browser cache	[18:22]
kerrnel	I'm trying to get the 'itemid' option to update with the actual item ID, but for some reason it's not displaying it Using 2.0...wondering if there was a fix in trunk or if this is a legit bug	[18:22]
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magowiz	sylvieg now I can see the menu but I cannot login anymore	[18:24]
sylvieg	kerrnel: the doc is wrong it is intemId	[18:26]
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kerrnel	itemId ?	[18:26]
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magowiz	I don't see any error but after I click "login" it loads a bit but it returns the same page	[18:26]
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sylvieg	kerrnel: working for me	[18:26]
kerrnel	I may have typo'd with a lowercase i. Checking...	[18:27]
sylvieg	the param ,,,itemId is workign for me	[18:28]
magowiz	sylvieg : I tried with epiphany firefox and konqueror but I have the same problem , I cannot login anymore	[18:29]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 14639 /trunk/lib/trackers/trackerlib.php: typo	[18:29]
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magowiz	how can I discover which is the problem ? I cannot login at all with my new tikiwiki, I enter correct username and password but I get nowhere	[18:50]
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kerrnel	sylvieg: That was it. I guess I must have typo'd the documentation as well. itemId works, thanks	[18:51]
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magowiz	I opened a bug report about it	[19:11]
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sylvieg	magowiz: check your php error - perhaps you have not enough memory..	[19:22]
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magowiz	where can I found this error ?	[19:27]
sylvieg	in the server log / perhaps your hosting give you access in the panel...	[19:30]
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magowiz	sylvieg : I'll try to ask to my webhoster , I cannot find any option to see the log I used a clean firefox profile, now I can enter but I cannot see the menu, which theme is the default one ? switching to simple gets me to a no-login issue	[19:35]
sylvieg	I saw your menu before - did you only switch the theme? - if yes - clear the cache	[19:47]
magowiz	sylvieg : can you see the menu now ?	[19:49]
sylvieg	no	[19:49]
magowiz	mmm... I really don't know what to do... :(	[19:50]
sylvieg	do you see something in tiki-admin_menus.php?	[19:56]
magowiz	yes Application Menu nothing else	[19:58]
sylvieg	and if you click on the option (the table)?	[19:59]
magowiz	wait a minute I clicked on configure and now I get back my menu no... I spoke too soon, if I change to home I cannot see the menu anymore	[19:59]
nikhilodeon_____	hi, is there any way to suppress the whitespacea at the top of a module when you add it to a column? i just want to call a module with no title, and have very limited white space above it	[20:01]
sylvieg	did you play with the perms in the menu option?	[20:02]
magowiz	no definitely no I have nothing in permissions the strange thing is that if I update the menu, moving for example "Home" up I can see the menu on the left in that page, but if I click on Home I cannot see the menu anymore	[20:03]
SEWilco2	What is a good way to show whitespace? I'm trying to show a table of names and phone numbers on a form which the user will print and write in the blanks. Table formatting keeps removing spaces.	[20:06]
magowiz	how can I see a list of orphaned pages ?	[20:09]
	anyway I discovered that I cannot register a new user anymore... I'm full of bugs.... so I think I would restore my backup and get back to 1.9.11 ....	[20:14]
sylvieg	register a user can be a bug ( I did) a column is misssing	[20:14]
magowiz	yes I noticed that bug report I made some comment on it anyway I noticed that I had problems on updating the db, some queries didn't work	[20:15]
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sylvieg	so did you add email_confirm? are you mysql 4 or mysql5	[20:16]
ittosde	Getting this on most pages: PHP (5.2.5) NOTICE (8): File: csslib.php Line: 167 Type: Undefined variable: dbversion_tiki shows as bottom of tiki pages	[20:16]
sylvieg	i fixed this one	[20:16]
nikhilodeon_____	hi all, I posted the following item at dev.tw.o - TikiWiki 2.0: Suppressing Whitespace Above Module - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=2018&trackerId=5	[20:16]
sylvieg	ittosde: you need to change $db_version with $TWV->getBaseVersion( dammit - the fix is only in the dev version	[20:17]
magowiz	sylvieg : I added manually the email_confirm field on table users_users, now seems to work mysql 5	[20:20]
sylvieg	magowiz: thx	[20:20]
ittosde	when I sent an internal tikimail, I get three error message: PHP (5.2.5) NOTICE (8): File: csslib.php Line: 167 Type: Undefined variable: dbversion_tiki PHP (5.2.5) ERROR (E_WARNING): File: core.write_file.php Line: 44 Type: unlink(templates_c/en^%%40^400^400EAC0F%%messu_message_notification_subject.tpl.php) [function.unlink]: No such file or directory PHP (5.2.5) ERROR (E_WARNING): File: core.write_file.php Line: 44	[20:21]
sylvieg	ittosde: better to ignore the notice error you will still have some (if not plenty)	[20:21]
ittosde	Type: unlink(templates_c/en^%%06^06F^06F28856%%messu_message_notification.tpl.php) [function.unlink]: No such file or directory	[20:22]
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sylvieg	ittosde: you can ignore this one too	[20:22]
ittosde	ok. What about the other two errors?	[20:22]
magowiz	sylvieg : how can I get a list of orphaned page ? I get some problems on character set so some pages that contains "è" in the title has become orphaned	[20:22]
sylvieg	csslib I gave you the fix magowiz: tiki-orphan_pages.php	[20:22]
ittosde	sorry...didn't see it going to flash my ignorance, how do you change $db_version?	[20:24]
magowiz	sylvieg : thanks... sorry but I have to ask for every pages until I get back the menu	[20:26]
sylvieg	ittosde: are you on 2.0 svn ? if yes svn update otherwise see http://sh.nu/p/24885	[20:27]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 14642 /branches/2.0/lib/csslib.php: backport the undefined dbversion	[20:28]
ittosde	yes, on 2.0	[20:28]
	thanks. These errors are on the a forum page. PHP (5.2.5) ERROR (E_WARNING): File: core.write_file.php Line: 44 Type: unlink(templates_c/enen^%%DF^DF4^DF431467%%tiki-view_forum_thread.tpl.php) [function.unlink]: No such file or directory PHP (5.2.5) ERROR (E_WARNING):	[20:33]
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sylvieg	it is warning - it is not important	[20:34]
magowiz	sylvieg : another problem : I cannot rollback a page , it says : Sea Surfing (CSRF) detected. Operation blocked.	[20:35]
sylvieg	working for me in 2.0 you did youtr rolback without refreshing the page? refreshing creates the pb sometimes	[20:39]
magowiz	sylvieg : no refresh : only diffing two versions, choose one to rollback and then clicked to "b", I give confirm and then the error comes on every rollback	[20:41]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by kerrnel22 :: r 14644 /branches/experimental/kerrnel-2.5/lib/trackers/trackerlib.php: [FIX] Corrected documentation for auto-increment using itemId option. Typo showed itemid instead of itemId, which was incorrect and doesn't work. SVN: Commit by kerrnel22 :: r 14643 /branches/experimental/kerrnel-2.5/tiki-view_tracker_item.php: [FIX] Forgot to repoint get_displayName to tracker lib instead of tiki lib.	[20:45]
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ittosde	the csslib.php fix was great! thanx	[20:47]
sylvieg	magowiz: are you back 1.9?	[20:47]
ittosde	get tons of core.write_file.php line:44 errors	[20:47]
magowiz	sylvieg : I mean : I click "b" , then the rollback button, then "click here to confirm" and then I get that error	[20:47]
sylvieg	ittosde: it is a warning	[20:47]
magowiz	no I'm still with 2.0 for now	[20:48]
sylvieg	so doto admin->system and do not display warning	[20:48]
ittosde	so I can simply ignore	[20:48]
sylvieg	yes -	[20:48]
ittosde	ok. thanx for the help sylvieg	[20:48]
magowiz	sylvieg : I think that anyway I would upgrade to newer tikiwiki so it is better to keep 2.0 and help to find/solve issues with that	[20:49]
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magowiz	I also tried with a new page, created , inserted some text, save, then add some other text and then rollback to first version : Sea Surfing (CSRF) detected. Operation blocked.	[20:56]
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scooby99	having problems with creating a new page with an apostrophe... ie ((Bob's Page)) any suggestons?	[20:56]
sylvieg	magowiz: neat is not very well maintain - there is some problem in the tiki-editpage.tpl perhaps it is better to use tikineat	[20:56]
magowiz	ok I'll switch to tikineat	[20:57]
sylvieg	scooby99: did you check in admin->wiki which charset you use	[20:57]
scooby99	not sure what I'm looking for on the wiki admin wiki link format is set to english is there not a breakout character of some sort	[20:58]
magowiz	sylvieg : two piece of news : a bad one and a good one : the good one is that switching to tikineat gives my menu back, the bad news is that I have still the rollback issue	[21:00]
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sylvieg	scooby99: try complete	[21:00]
scooby99	That's better thanks!	[21:02]
sylvieg	magowiz: which csrf method do you use in admin->login	[21:04]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by kerrnel22 :: r 14645 /branches/experimental/kerrnel-2.5/templates/tiki-view_tracker_item.tpl: [MOD] Cosmetic change to put a ':' at the end of the field names to aid separation of fields from data in display.	[21:05]
scooby99	Anyway of doing with brackets in the name ie ((this is a test(of brackets))) ?	[21:05]
SEWilco2	Is it a known bug that PP stuff in a table would emit junk? "\|\| \| ~pp~ Name ~/pp~ \| ~pp~ Phone # ~/pp~ \|\|" emits junk. It looks OK on Firefox but prints as bar of blocky stuff with "1DPH" and "8KRQH" instead of "Name" and "Phone #".	[21:06]
magowiz	sylvieg : I cannot find csrf in my admin->login page , what is CRSF for ? (so I'll try to search it)	[21:07]
sylvieg	yes it is the one you said	[21:07]
SEWilco2	Hmm... and a ~pp~ row of underscores prints as BBBBBBBBBBBB. Maybe I have a DB character set problem. I thought I had it all UTF-8.	[21:08]
magowiz	sylvieg : I didn't explain myself well : I cannot find CRSF on my admin->login page	[21:08]
sylvieg	you do not find Protect against CSRF with a ticket:?	[21:09]
magowiz	I found it : I have enabled : "Protect against CSRF with a ticket:"	[21:09]
sylvieg	and the line above?	[21:10]
magowiz	and disabled : Protect against CSRF with a confirmation step:	[21:10]
sylvieg	ok this should work so I have no idea why you can not rollback..	[21:10]
magowiz	mmm... I'll try again but I didn't change anything so I think I'll get again that error	[21:10]
sylvieg	if you want to rollback - you can unckeck bit boxes - rollback and check again	[21:11]
magowiz	should I try to disable ticket and enable confirmation action ?	[21:11]
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magowiz	sylvieg : I noticed a strange thing : If I enable only confirmation I get only a page on which I should click Rollback, when I have ticket enabled I get that page, after that a page that asks me to confirm , is it normal behaviour ? if I switch to "confirmation" it comes out " feature_ticketlib enableddisabled feature_ticketlib2 disabled" if I switch to "confirmation" it comes out " feature_ticketlib enabled disabled feature_ticketlib2 disabled" I mean "feature_ticketlib enabled" and "feature ticketlib2 disabled"	[21:18]
sylvieg	(05:11:14 PM) sylvieg: if you want to rollback - you can unckeck bit boxes - rollback and check again the second choice	[21:21]
scooby99	Anyway of doing with brackets in the name ie ((this is a test(of brackets))) ?	[21:21]
SEWilco2	My odd printing character problem does not seem to be a simple character set problem. Unicode prints OK.	[21:22]
	Any idea why on printer "Web site: ~pp~___________~/pp~" shows as "Web site: BBBBBBBBBBBB"?	[21:29]
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magowiz	is there a way to enable captcha on page edit when edited by anonymous users ?	[21:37]
SEWilco2	magowiz: Maybe "Anonymous editors must input anti-bot code:" on the Admin>Wiki page.	[21:38]
magowiz	thanks SEWilco2	[21:39]
SEWilco2	Aha. "~pp~Web site: ___________~/pp~" emits "%DWXRQ: HEH BBBBBBBBBB" with many characters which I couldn't type. PP is printing all text oddly.	[21:40]
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magowiz	perhaps I've done a bit confusion with menus, now anonymous users sees 2 identical menus on the left.... where should I check to remove one of them ?	[21:42]
SEWilco2	magowiz: An administrator should see a list of options under "Admin". One of them is called "Menus" and another is "Modules". magowiz: The "Menus" is for editing custom menus but because you didn't look there you probably did not use that. See "Modules" to see if there are two menu modules assigned to be displayed. magowiz: When a module is assigned it becomes visible. You'll see two lists of modules, one for the left side and another for the right side. Clicking on the red "X" by a module will de-assign it.	[21:43]
magowiz	SEWilco2 : thanks again, I had two modules for the main menu, I removed one.	[21:46]
SEWilco2	Hmm. Maybe my problem is in CSS when <pre> is present. Found mention that "Firefox's print function does not seem to like web fonts. "	[21:52]
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magowiz	I think I solved all my issues, I'm happy , I really appreciate your help sylvieg and SEWelico2 . Thank you very much . The only thing I think it needs to be fixed is the creation of email_confirm field in users_users . Perhaps it was a problem on the 1.9 to 2.0 sql script update.	[22:00]
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magowiz	all I have to say is that tikiwiki is a very good and powerful CMS I choosed it for 2 sites (only because I have only 2 sites :) )	[22:02]
ittosde	I've created a poll. When I vote, the poll times out. The vote looks like it took when I view the poll though	[22:03]
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amette	hi Simmi :)	[22:11]
Simmi	Hi All How's the WikiSym?	[22:12]
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xavi	polom	[22:13]
amette	moloq :)	[22:13]
xavi	hi Flexi - Simmi ;-)	[22:13]
Simmi	WHAT ?? :-)	[22:14]
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amette	you know ;)	[22:14]
xavi	oh well, that is to let the other users get used to the "Flexi" keyword...	[22:15]
amette	hehe	[22:15]
xavi	... which is going to produce some "wuuuouuuu"...	[22:15]
Simmi	Yup, they had better - cos it's a coming..	[22:15]
amette	g	[22:15]
xavi	...very soon, when others see you nice work, Simmi, using Flex with Tiki... in fact, I'm looking forward to see an url in the http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestPorto page.... to see the sexy fancy flexi-Tiki work you are doing...	[22:15]
Simmi	OK, watch this space - not this week though..	[22:19]
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sylvieg	xavi: redirecf on tw.org done	[22:28]
xavi	hi sylvieg thanks! I already saw that some hours ago from the Wikisym... 'cause my kind of short home page url tw.o/xavi was working (redirecting to userpage of xavidp) anyway, thanks!	[22:30]
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SEWilco2	Tsk. PP text didn't print until I told Firefox 3 to not allow web pages to specify their own fonts. I guess FF3 doesn't behave reasonably to the CSS "courier" specification.	[22:50]
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magowiz	is there a way to redirect a english user to the english translation of the page ?	[22:52]
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sylvieg	yes a couple of ways admin->i18n best language - or force lang...	[22:58]
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magowiz	I enabled : Multilingual , Multilingual structures (this one after I translated 2 pages) , Show page in user's preferred language , Detect user browser language and user watches translations , should it work? Can you please go to page tran on my wiki and see if you see "prova" or "test" ?	[23:02]
lphuberdeau	I would expect it to work	[23:06]
SEWilco2	magowiz: Does your page have a pulldown for the language which the page is being displayed in? magowiz: I found one could create pages before turning on multilingual but then have to edit the page and tell it what language the page is.	[23:07]
magowiz	yes I also noticed it, I'm going to set the language of each page I translate	[23:08]
SEWilco2	So maybe you have a page from before you turned on multilingual. Edit the page and specify what language it is.	[23:09]
magowiz	anyway I created a test page named "tran" , I set it to Italian, then I choose to translate it in english, the translated one is named "tran_en" , if all works a user that points to tran and have english as browser language should be redirected to tran_en, am I wrong ?	[23:10]
SEWilco2	magowiz: I think that is correct... there is a preferred language flag which has to be set someplace.	[23:11]
magowiz	the default language for my site is set to english do you have a browser set to english ?	[23:11]
SEWilco2	I think the preferred language ("best language") is a URL with "&bl=y" on the end. I think my browser has several languages enabled. I'm not sure how many this machine is configured for. I don't remember if "best language" is enabled in user preferences ("MyTiki") or system wide.	[23:12]
magowiz	I'm following the howto build a multilingual site at this url http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=i18n+Admin&bl , but I cannot find the setting :" In the admin/features panel, you have to check "User Preferences Screen"" , it was changed since 2.0 was released?	[23:14]
SEWilco2	Admin>Features is at tiki-admin.php?page=features	[23:16]
magowiz	yes I'm here but in which category is ? which tab?	[23:16]
SEWilco2	"User Preferences Screen" is in the second block from the bottom in "User Features". Grumble. Did a search for "%%%" on dev.tw.o and got a blank screen.	[23:19]
magowiz	found it, it is enabled	[23:22]
SEWilco2	Table WikiSyntax irritating quirk: trailing %%% in a field is ignored unless it's the only thing in a table cell.	[23:23]
magowiz	I have to find "multilingual" and "best language" to enable it	[23:24]
SEWilco2	magowiz: Are you not finding those someplace? I think Admin>Features is where Multilingual is enabled. If not there, then try Admin>Wiki.	[23:29]
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magowiz	multilingual found but I cannot find best language, I'm trying in Admin->wiki	[23:30]
lphuberdeau	admin -> i18n	[23:31]
magowiz	yes, there I found Multilingual but not "best language" I found and enabled "Show pages in user's preferred language:" but it doesn't make my links include bl	[23:32]
xavi1	magowiz, please, whenever you find it, improve (fix) documentation about that for Tiki 2.0	[23:35]
magowiz	for example , in this page http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=i18n&bl=y it is enabled the bl parameter	[23:35]
xavi1	so that we can all contributing to improve doc.tw.o	[23:35]
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magowiz	the bl parameter is for backlinks or best language ?	[23:40]
xavi1	best language : that should be explained somewhere in doc.tw.o (if not, it should be added somewhere wherever users expect to find that explanation...)	[23:47]
magowiz	I cannot find anything using "best language" on doc.tikiwiki.org	[23:50]

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