<!-- Some styling for better description lists --><style type='text/css'>dt { font-weight: bold;float: left;display:inline;margin-right: 1em} dd { display:block; margin-left: 2em}</style> ***: Redhatter has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) <br> MacLeod has joined #tikiwiki MacLeod: got minichat working :) <br> but now my horizontal phplayers menu is broken. :( <br> dunno if there's any relationship btw the two. ***: Ikeco has joined #tikiwiki Ikeco: hi all---still fighting with V2.0, but think i will like it. Is the minichat module working yet? ***: Jyhem has joined #tikiwiki <br> chibaguy has joined #tikiwiki Ikeco: Does anyone knew if the miriest Module works ? <br> minichat chibaguy: Ikeco, yes, it works, but needs a perm added to tiki_features. <br> I mean a feature added, a new row that has feature_minichat y . Ikeco: Can this be done from admin screen? chibaguy: no, you need to access Tiki's database. There's no admin gui yet for it. Ikeco: or must add from phpmyadmin? <br> kk chibaguy: That's right. sylvieg: <u>chibaguy</u>: If you have 5mn your comment about the button style (in devel list) will be greatly appreciated - after pkdille+me can do the job ;-) Ikeco: just add the row? chibaguy: Ikeco yes Ikeco: thanks chibaguy: hi sylieg, ok. Basically just use the div and anchor tag, without special class, right? <br> sylvieg <br> (still waking up) sylvieg: no sure withiout class is a good idea -: sylvieg begins to sleep :-) Ikeco: chiba, to which table? chibaguy: tki_preferences sylvieg: think we ned to simplifu but ot to much chibaguy: tiki_preferences <br> To me the class is redundant if the hierarchy/path is sufficient. sylvieg: I do not know very weel - sorry - all your themes - but if <div navbar.< a linkbut worjks for you - pkdille and I will change all the tpl <br> not sure that all in navnar a need to be handle in the same way - can be img dropdown.. chibaguy: If something new is added to navbar, can't it have a class for any new performance/appearance? <br> I don't know if existing anchors need a class there. ***: Ikeco has quit IRC ("Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.11/2008070216]") sylvieg: I think the problem is out to handle the past ... are we very tough like the css layout or smooth.. ***: Landon has left chibaguy: I think past themes that depend on special classes should be updated. I don't think Tiki should be held back by old themes. <br> If we document "#navbar a.linkbut" is now styled by "#navbar a", then people can update their stylesheets if they want. sylvieg: so you are ready to say - guys upgrading to 3.0 needs to review your tpl.css? chibaguy: yes. sylvieg: i think it can be a good idea - only needs the way to change all the tpls... <br> time for bed - willdream about this for sure chibaguy: I'll try to think about it and write something. <br> good night ***: Caarrie|away is now known as Caarrie|sleeping <br> Redhatter has joined #tikiwiki <br> rlpowell has left <br> Petjal2 has joined #tikiwiki <br> marclaporte has joined #tikiwiki <br> MacLeod has quit IRC ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") <br> danopia is now known as danopia`` <br> franck has joined #tikiwiki <br> NefariousC has quit IRC () <br> nikhilodeon__ has joined #tikiwiki <br> nikhilodeon__ is now known as nikhilodeon <br> nikhilodeon has quit IRC (Client Quit) <br> chibaguy has left <br> lph has joined #tikiwiki <br> lphuberdeau_ has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) <br> SEWilc1 is now known as SEWilco <br> Redhatter has quit IRC (Client Quit) <br> Lucymoz has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) <br> Timoth1 has joined #tikiwiki <br> franck has left luciash: polom ***: Redhatter has joined #tikiwiki <br> CIA-54 has quit IRC () <br> Wilkins has joined #tikiwiki <br> chibaguy2 has joined #tikiwiki <br> chibaguy2 is now known as chibaguy <br> djst has joined #tikiwiki <br> mattbmc has quit IRC ("Leaving") <br> CIA-53 has joined #TikiWiki Paragtim: On another standard site I have a couple of links that open in a new page when clicked. I would like to have them on the wiki site, and when clicked, or on mouseover, to open in a popup window. Is this possible and if so is it easy :)? ***: Simmi has joined #tikiwiki chibaguy: Paragtim, if you have Shadowbox enabled, you can do this: [url|link|shadowbox] Paragtim: Looking to see what "Shadowbox" is :) chibaguy: ..http://zukakakina.com/Shadowbox_gallery ***: Wilkins has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) <br> Wilkins has joined #tikiwiki chibaguy: Otherwise, I don't think there's anything in Tiki to do that. ***: CIA-53 has quit IRC () chibaguy: I made a wikiplugin a long time ago, using the javascript, etc. from the image gallery, so some hack like this is possible. <br> But shadowbox is easier and neater if it is the right fit for your site. Paragtim: Sorry - Being a little slow again !! - I think shadowbox may just do it! The inline content should work. I will test it out. Thanks for the input. chibaguy: np Paragtim: Next task - I want to "make" a module that has a list of 5 set (internal) links in it (page1, page2, etc. Is there already something like this available or will I need to start from sctratch? chibaguy: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Module+menupage Paragtim: Again - that looks that it should do the job. I hate trying to re-invent the wheel ;) ***: jasprit has joined #tikiwiki <br> chibaguy has left <br> SEWilco has left <br> Simmi has quit IRC ("Leaving.") <br> SEWilco has joined #tikiwiki <br> MatWho has joined #tikiwiki <br> djst has quit IRC () <br> Simmi has joined #TikiWiki <br> CIA-53 has joined #TikiWiki <br> franck1 has joined #tikiwiki <br> franck1 is now known as franck <br> tomb has joined #tikiwiki <br> VK4MSL has joined #tikiwiki <br> Redhatter has quit IRC (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) <br> Timoth1 has left <br> chibaguy has joined #tikiwiki <br> jasprit has quit IRC ("Leaving.") luciash: wb chibaguy <br> <u>chibaguy</u>: you wrote my thoughts to sylvie and pascal :) ***: Caarrie|sleeping is now known as Caarrie <br> marclaporte has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) <br> NefariousC has joined #tikiwiki <br> marclaporte has joined #tikiwiki <br> tomb has quit IRC ("Ex-Chat") marclaporte: <u>chibaguy</u>: : polom ***: jasprit has joined #tikiwiki chibaguy: hi guys. sorry, was eating. luciash: np :) <br> eating is no shame :) chibaguy: heh, yep, always thankful I can do it. ;-) marclaporte: hehe <br> <u>chibaguy</u>: we are working on getting luciash here in November <br> Rick wants to but can't make it <br> we need you! <br> (no pressure) :-) chibaguy: well, it'd be great, but seems kinda hard to manage, time and money-wise. ***: lph has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) marclaporte: I can help with one of those Caarrie: time? marclaporte: hehe chibaguy: hm, well, family things to consider too. marclaporte: of course ***: lph has joined #tikiwiki <br> franck has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) <br> franck has joined #tikiwiki <br> chibaguy1 has joined #tikiwiki MatWho: hi all ***: rodrigo_sampaio has joined #tikiwiki <br> MacLeod has joined #tikiwiki MacLeod: got minichat working! :) <br> but noticed that it will work *either* in a column or embedded in a page, but not both ***: chibaguy has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) <br> ricks99 has joined #tikiwiki <br> chibaguy1 is now known as chibaguy chibaguy: MacLeod, what if the module had code to stop it from displaying the chat on the page that has the minichat? Then it'd probably work in the column. ***: rodrigo_sampaio has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) <br> NefariousC has quit IRC (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) <br> marclaporte has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) <br> NefariousC has joined #tikiwiki <br> NefariousC has quit IRC () <br> marclaporte has joined #tikiwiki MacLeod: is there a variable or expression that evaluates whether a module is being used in a column or in a page via the MODULE plugin? ***: Simmi has quit IRC ("Leaving.") luciash: <u>chibaguy</u>: would be great to meet you in montreal ;) ***: Caarrie is now known as Caarrie|away chibaguy: yes, it would be great to meet you and everybuddy. :-) MatWho: amette are you there? amette: yup <br> good timing, I was just reading back here... ;) MatWho: <u>amette</u>: Hey I just made my first commit in to trunk, I missed the ceremony though :( amette: ooooooooh :O <br> well, congrats for the commit though :) MatWho: can I have one after my first commit? amette: Yes, sure! :) <br> <u>all</u>: We will have one short-version(as he already got his commit-rights.. ) ceremony for MatWho ! ;) <br> >whatis 3rules Sug4r: '3rules' could be 1. Preserve Environment 2. Commit early, Commit often 3. Make it Optional ( for more info see http://dev.tikiwiki.org/3rules ) amette: <u>MatWho</u>: Do you understand and agree to these rules? MatWho: YES amette: Great! :) <br> You passed the first step! MatWho: :) amette: Second step: What is your sf.net account name? MatWho: MatWho amette: ok, very well done! You even passed step two! You're good at that! MatWho: :) :) amette: (some admin fiddles in background and gives MatWho commit rights to the repository) <br> But now!! Third and most difficult step! MatWho: Thanks <br> Gulp! amette: 3. Welcome to the committers, MatWho !!! :D MatWho: :) :) :) -: amette hugs MatWho amette: Great to have you here, man! :) MatWho: Yes to you all amette: :) <br> hmmm, seems noone noticed this ceremony... usually all chime in and welcome the guy.. ;) <br> ... or well, perhaps people aren't used to it any more.. ;) <br> But I'm sure everyone loves you and welcomes you here! :) Paragtim: Welcome MattWho - Sorry was catching up and missed it MatWho: Tanks amette I think the ceremony is great, I feels at one with #tikiwiki and all who hang out on it! -: luciash hugs MatWho and welcomes him too amette: glad to hear that :) MatWho: <u>Paragtim</u>: Thanks <br> <u>luciash</u>: great Paragtim: Your more than welcome MatWho: now to find some more bugs!! amette: That's the spirit! :) luciash: <u>MatWho</u>: you mean to fix some more bugs, right ? ;) amette: That's the spirit! ;P MatWho: oh yes, well if I can ;) <br> if not I will just paste the code in to the IRC and see how long I last!! <- joking, dont panic -: luciash wonders who gave MatWho the commit rights without the ceremony though, what a shame ! :-p Paragtim: Back Soon ***: Paragtim has quit IRC ("Easy as 3.14159265358979323846...") MatWho: <u>luciash</u>: not a good start getting someone in trouble for helping out! luciash: just kidding... ok, heating time here, too, bbl :) -: luciash appreciates his bro took the ceremony hat MatWho: what is the correct way to modify a table in trunk, I would like to add a field, in the webmail, how do I do this without causing problems on upgrades etc chibaguy: sorry I missed the ceremony. Welcome, MatWho! :-) MatWho: thanks ***: CIA-53 has quit IRC () <br> djst has joined #tikiwiki <br> zor0 has joined #tikiwiki zor0: My tikiwiki system can't search, any time I run a search on the "entire site" or a section of the site, I get no result, even if I search for an exact article name <br> the page displays correctly, and I don't see an error, any suggestions? <br> and nothing in the apache error log sylvieg: tiki search or mysql search? ***: MacLeod has quit IRC ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") lph: which tiki version? zor0: 2, but I think I've fond something, using different mod now, brdb ***: Lucymoz has joined #tikiwiki <br> MacLeod has joined #tikiwiki zor0: ok, sorry for asking for help and not having my information straight <br> I'm using the search_box module, which works, but the search at the very top of the page does not ***: Wilkins has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) zor0: how can I disable search at the top? its not a module, is it part of the template or something? sylvieg: admin->LOOK AND FEEL zor0: thanks -: chibaguy tests look & feel search in 2.0 and finds it works ok here.... ***: chibaguy has left <br> Caarrie|away is now known as Caarrie <br> snarlydwarf has joined #tikiwiki <br> Amorphous has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) <br> martinalex has joined #tikiwiki snarlydwarf: is there a reason for the repeated 'Browsing Image: ' in templates/tiki-browse_image.tpl on line 16 and 18? <br> it looks sorta funky.. guess i could hide one with css, but.. still seems.. odd ***: Amorphous has joined #tikiwiki <br> CIA-53 has joined #TikiWiki <br> MatWho has quit IRC () amette: <u>luciash</u>: you're welcome <br> we talked about the ceremony in Porto - so this came naturally.. ;) lph: <u>amette</u>: maybe you should mention that this was a late evening discussion ;) amette: btw - this was a late evening discussion ;) lph: amette, I missed my flight too on the way back, but it was not the first one, so it was OK amette: LOL! How did you manage? Also overslept? <br> But you could get another one for cheap? Weren't you bound to the flight you booked? ***: franck has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) lph: I had two connections <br> missed the last one <br> they just booked me on the next flight... which was 4 hours later amette: aaah, ok - well, that's not so bad then ;) <br> just a bit annoying ***: jasprit has quit IRC ("Leaving.") <br> navster has joined #tikiwiki lph: US customs had some equipment out of order, so they were painfully slow looking for terrorists amette: hehehe :P lph: I did not get fingerprinted, but a few ahead of me did amette: yeah, well, you are canadian - you are pretty well off - but I belong to the "old europe", they will fingerprint me.. ;) -: marclaporte wants a copy of amette's mugshot marclaporte: his crime: too many parties! <br> amette the butterlfy amette: LOL :P <br> actually - probably my mugshot will soon be up on my website... ;) lph: open house parties are the best ;) amette: ... wanted to do that since - err, one year now actually.. :-/ - cause in germany we now have biometrical mugshots for our passports, so I thought of publishing mine... I'll let you know, when I manage.. ;) marclaporte: :-) ***: djst has quit IRC () amette: and yes, open house parties really _are_ the best! Had the best open space of all WikiSym with Peter at the house the last evening!! :) <br> need to read his paper still, only read the abstract so far, but seems to be interesting - and knowing him, I'm pretty sure that there is some smart stuff written in it marclaporte: yes, what a lucky open space amette: and btw - heck - you're going to get chibaguy to Montreal in November? :( luciash: re :) amette: I'd love to meet him, but I can't go in november... :-/ luciash: mugshot ? butterfly ? amette: ... I hoped so much for march! <br> <u>luciash</u>: the butterfly will be explained in my blog-post... and the mugshot, well... :P -: luciash was also confused, we don't have a wiki page for _this_ montreal tikifest even yet amette: yeah, that was the first I was looking for, too ;) luciash: <u>amette</u>: heheh, ok amette: *g* <br> <u>marclaporte</u>: I think for everyone it could be more beneficial to do it in march during PHP Quebec as it was planned at first... probably more tiki-people there, a conference in parallel to meet even more people... lph: wasn't november supposed to be in strasbourg anyway? luciash: my impression is that the march one is still valid amette: yes, march is still valid for sure... if Gary is going then, too - well, ok ;) <br> yeah, true, november is also strasbourg... but well, there were at least three tikifests in this month, too ;) <br> but I really think that something like Montreal, where there are lots of TikiFolks and which is far from Europe (and Japan) and which could be during a conference... <br> ... well, would imho make sense to fly in all the guys at the same time and not on two seperate dates.. <br> .. no special StylingFest then, but that doesn't really matter.. that can be done during a 'regular' TikiFest, too... <br> ... _and_ I'd love to be part of that MarketingFest, too! ;) lph: can split people, happens often amette: yeah <br> exactly lph: brilliant amette: *g* <br> I was about to say that!!! :P <br> (that's my favourite running-gag here now... my flatsharer has to laugh with me already, too ;) ) -: amette has a smoke break luciash: marc would like to focus on design, branding+marketing this time so he probably got the idea because there's Webcom conference in November lph: probably want it done before 3.0 <br> would make sense <br> still waiting on patrick's new theme luciash: http://www.webcom-montreal.com/ <br> heheh, "From Blender to Obama: Web Video as an Inescapable Communication Tool" → http://www.webcom-montreal.com/programmation.php?j=1 MacLeod: Is there a way to add a "user submits an article watch" for ALL users? luciash: coffee break MacLeod: (wanna make this particular "pull" feature just a bit pushy) :) marclaporte: we have opportunity because Matthew and Pauline can come in November for marketing/branding/design TikiFest luciash: <u>MacLeod</u>: sure, via db sql update query ;) marclaporte: and Patrick is a bit stuck with lack of general branding strategy <br> better to do branding as a group, so it represents better the community <br> And, yes, we need to start now, so it's well embedded in 3.0 <br> March 2009 still stands amette: marketing and branding - exactly - wanna be there... :-/ <br> ... I even could get a cheap flight, my only problem is that I don't have holidays left! :( marclaporte: You need more TikiWork! amette: but well, ok, if opportunity is good, then gotta go for it! <br> <u>marclaporte</u>: ;) marclaporte: <u>amette</u>: : email me what you need to be there <br> I'll see what I can do ***: SEWilco2 has joined #tikiwiki marclaporte: but this will be more work and less party :-) amette: <u>marclaporte</u>: holidays from my day job ;) <br> <u>marclaporte</u>: I know, but good work!! lph: cheap countries are bad for productivity amette: <u>lph</u>: LOL luciash: <u>marclaporte</u>: amette needs you to write his boss to give him extra holidays ;) amette: luckily at least my bro understands me :P marclaporte: sometimes, I have to negociate with girlfriends, sometimes, bosses :-) luciash: LOL amette: LOL :P <br> webcom is just one day, only the 12th, right? luciash: right marclaporte: yes, one day <br> http://econterms.net/pbmeyer/research/tinker/tinker4f.pdf -> This is Peter's paper, that we were refering to earlier amette: and this is the brilliant we were referreing to earlier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BVuMODhujI ;) -: MacLeod is loving the freetag feature & modules :) amette: good to hear :) MacLeod: is there any quick way for an admin to remove a single freetag across the entire domain? <br> (plz don't say sql update, plz don't say sql update...) amette: sql upda.... errr... dunno... ;) ***: lph has quit IRC (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) amette: but really, I don't think so... there was nothing back then and I don't find anything in the common places nowadays - but I'm not authoritative here ***: lph has joined #tikiwiki ricks99: @macleod: no.u have to untag it from all items first MacLeod: kthx. that's not so bad unless it's tagged to a LOT of items. amette: in that case you can still use sql upda... errr... ;) ricks99: * rick also wants a way to tag multiple items at once, similar to category admin <br> ... and better logic on the 'suggest a tag' items <br> but other than that freetags rock. flat navigation is the *bomb* :) amette: :) MacLeod: freetags do rock. i've read about them and understood the appeal, but this is the first time i've worked with them. lph: ricks99, last time I checked, that logic was "random" ricks99: not very 'logical' lph: shouldn't be too hard to invert the reccommended pages query to throw reccommended tags MacLeod: are you talking about the suggested tags in the edit-page form? ricks99: y <br> y, in the edit page form MacLeod: ah. yeah, random's kinda silly. <br> most popular would make more sense <br> but still not optimal ricks99: no. should be keyed agains the text <br> if the word "foo" appears in the text 100 times (and there is already a "foo" tag) it should be 'recommended' amette: if the word "foo" makes 1% of the text and another text that is made up of approx. 1% of the word "foo" and is tagged as "bar" then suggest "bar" SEWilco2: On dev.tw.o, how do I reach bug 1291? I was looking at 1291, but the URL did not point at that tracker item. I'm not finding a way to jump to a bug number without looking through a list. lph: dev.tikiwiki.org/Bug1291 <br> that used to work MacLeod: i've been wondering about the value of tagging a page with a word that appears 100x, since it will already show up high in the search results. SEWilco2: Yea, that's probably a .htaccess shortcut. lph: similar tags are usually provided by clustering tags <br> only works if you already have a few of them SEWilco2: OK, I added Anonymous-only caching code in a Comment to http://dev.tikiwiki.org/bug1291 if someone wants to decide if that's a good solution. lph: sewilico2, we had already discussed that as a solution before and does sound decent <br> just need someone to do it ;) SEWilco2: Yup, I had to resort to that solution. It's the simplest with the current single-cache design. lph: feel free to apply the patch SEWilco2: I think I don't have patching permission. Didn't work last time I tried. lph: just had to ask <br> registered on sourceforge? SEWilco2: Yeah, let me check under which name. amette: smells like ceremony ;) ricks99: tags are differnt than search lph: I don't have admin rights, but I'm sure marclaporte, sylvieg, luciash or some other admin are around -: amette thinks so, too lph: time to stop working.. still not fully recovered from jet lag amette: yeah, then it's probably a really good idea... I messed up today at work too because of being tired... ***: lph has quit IRC (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) <br> SEWilco2_ has joined #tikiwiki SEWilco2_: <u>lph</u>: SF name is "sewilco". I'm going through expired PW process, so it at least recognized my name. amette: <u>SEWilco2_</u>: lph left and we need some admin anyways... <br> ... so you want to have commit rights? SEWilco2_: ... and my Internet link just crashed too. amette: yeah, I noticed <br> you know how it works? SEWilco2_: <u>amette</u>: Yup, I often need to be committed. amette: ok, that's good :) <br> but do you know how it works to get commit rights here? <br> There is a three step process... SEWilco2_: The code checks out, the code checks in, the community chews on it, and it goes all about. amette: ... which is called the ceremony. SEWilco2_: I'm all out of candles. amette: well, you seem to know how working works, that's good! :) -: SEWilco2_ turns on LED flashlight. amette: :) <br> <u>luciash</u>: you're there? <br> <u>luciash</u>: we need an admin! luciash: hmm, why my pc speaker beeps ? <br> ah :) amette: yeah :) <br> <u>luciash</u>: you're ready to bring SEWilco2_ through the ceremony? :) luciash: sure :) amette: great :) <br> you do the master of ceremony? I can play the trumpet. ;) luciash: heheh, ok, what was the first question ? i think it was answered already, right ? amette: nope, the first is the most important... <br> ... just as with the rules - the first is the most importan! ;) -: amette grabs the trumpet from the pillow luciash: hmmm, lemme scroll back :-p amette: LOL :P <br> <u>SEWilco2_</u>: we are working on it, don't worry! ;) -: luciash didn't do the ceremony for longer time, bro ;) amette: But this is important! If you don't manage it, you won't be allowed to commit! <br> me neither ;) -: MacLeod takes a few practice swings with the Paddle of Destiny. amette: <u>MacLeod</u>: very good idea! luciash: ok, SEWilco2_ , read this: <br> >whatis 3rules Sug4r: '3rules' could be 1. Preserve Environment 2. Commit early, Commit often 3. Make it Optional ( for more info see http://dev.tikiwiki.org/3rules ) luciash: <u>SEWilco2_</u>: you have to conform to it <br> that's the first step ;) amette: yes, understand and agree SEWilco2_: I do so solemnly swear, vociferously trice so. amette: you should read the full version, if you don't understand (and you should read it anyways actually every once in a while) luciash: if you're fine with our 3rules, then we're fine to advance to the step two ;) -: amette plays a fanfare amette: pretty well done, SEWilco2_ - let's get to step two -: amette wonders if luciash is just searching for his sf.net login data to accomplish that second step... :P <br> SEWilco2_ proudly recognizes a little humility is useful. amette: :) SEWilco2_: My SF login is "sewilco". amette: hmmmm..... -: SEWilco2_ suspects luciach is waiting for the SF servers to update. luciash: hmm, i just thought SEWilco2_ still reads the more info page :-p amette: 21:41 < SEWilco2_> I do so solemnly swear, vociferously trice so. <br> this ceremony is a bit long-winded.... ;) luciash: ROFL, i've been reading sweat instead of swear :-p amette: hmmm..... :P luciash: but step 2 is already done guys ;) SEWilco2_: "# Project TikiWiki CMS/Groupware (registered 2002-10-07 15:51) " -: amette plays another fanfare then SEWilco2_: I didn't realize I'd been tinkering with TW for that long. ***: SEWilco2 has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) <br> SEWilco2_ is now known as SEWilco2 amette: so, let's get to step three!! -: SEWilco2 takes off his shoes. <br> amette clears his throat luciash: step 3) welcome to the TikiWiki developers family SEWilco2 ! :) -: amette plays some weird stuff on the trumpet <br> marclaporte hugs SEWilco <br> SEWilco2 opens a can of programming fluid. amette: Welcome to committers SEWilco2 !! :) luciash: w00t ! :) -: amette hugs SEWilco2, too ricks99: <clap> <clap> -: SEWilco2 is wearing his special commitment jacket, so he can't applaud. <br> luciash hugz developer No 392 :) amette: oh, you're in a mental institution? ;) SEWilco2: OK, now let's see about making optional making it optional: amette: :) luciash: LOL SEWilco2: Should I create a configuration option to control whether Wiki caching is only done for Anonymous, or just make it only work for anonymous? <br> Caching is basically broken for any non-homogeneous groups of user permissions. -: SEWilco2 scribbles his question on the bar, as that seems to be where everyone is looking. amette: yeah, a configuration option sounds like a good way to make it optional... ;) <br> .... but I don't know the whole story on the other hand. SEWilco2: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/bug1291 shows the problem. The first viewer or updater creates the cache, but others with different privileges then see the cache. <br> Most common are non-functional edit icons appearing. If {GROUP} is being used, page content can be different between groups. <br> Because only one cache exists for a page (stored within the DB entry for the page), either the permission domain of the cache has to be stored and tested... or only the most popular group's stuff gets cached. <br> From the assumption that most readers will be Anonymous, the workaround is to only cache for anonymous readers. amette: hmmm, still a workaround... <br> and e.g. on an intranet the assumption is that most readers are Registered, but not Editors <br> nkoth3 commented on that bug, too and he is not sure about what to do... he asks for dev-input... <br> are you on devel-list SEWilco2 ? <br> you should post there to ask for more input... SEWilco2: And once we get into which user groups, then it gets messy. Particularly because the "categorized" ability promises to heighten differences. <br> Yup.. I'll devel-list it. -: amette nods amette: ok, cool, thanks! SEWilco2: I've been using specialized permissions since the days of MULTICS. My TW permissions are starting to get interesting. <br> In one TW site I have one "Group Category Administrator" that's getting a little crowded.. we're starting to populate categories so I gave several people temporary cat admin. luciash: i'd try if the perms/group matches the next user, keep displaying cached, otherwise refresh the cache, if it's possible... amette: that would really make caching rather useless... as you'd be refreshing the cache rather often... depending on the environment... luciash: but i must admit i don't see the background mechanism how the wiki page caching actually works <br> well, for complicated environment with many different perms/groups it's really useles to put the caching on even <br> maybe combining with the anonymous/registered only group could help marclaporte: <u>SEWilco</u>: : I think only caching for anonymous and no options would be ok. Current behavior is a bug and I don't see why someone would want to keep it. I don't see why someone would need caching for an Intranet SEWilco2: I'm particularly not overly concerned because it's only a slight performance thing. ***: navster has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) <br> deepaks has joined #tikiwiki SEWilco2: I'm suggesting to devel list that Anon-only be done to close the bug; someone can later extend it if they want more features. marclaporte: SEWilco : +1 ***: martinalex has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) <br> Caarrie is now known as Caarrie|away <br> lph has joined #tikiwiki SEWilco2: +1 Funny? <br> +1 Hammer of Laughter. marclaporte: +1 : I agree with your proposal :-) MacLeod: +5 Paddle of Destiny with Gluteal Shock 1/round -: SEWilco2 is glad that is over, and takes off his gluteal shocks. MacLeod: **THWACK!** ***: franck has joined #tikiwiki -: SEWilco2 awakens MacLeod: OK, so the User Preferences, My Tiki, etc. interface is a bit different when Ajax is enabled... <br> what I'm wondering is, "Why?" <br> Before, whether I had a link to User Prefs, User Watches, or whatever, there were icons underneath the page title to get the user to the other areas. <br> With Ajax enabled, the User Prefs page has no icons. ***: Caarrie|away is now known as Caarrie <br> marclaporte has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) -: MacLeod waves, a plus tard ***: MacLeod has quit IRC ("CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06)") <br> NefariousC has joined #tikiwiki <br> CIA-53 has quit IRC () <br> franck has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) <br> franck has joined #tikiwiki <br> CIA-53 has joined #TikiWiki <br> snarlydwarf has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) <br> franck has left <br> srishti has joined #tikiwiki <br> Caarrie is now known as Caarrie|away <br> srishti has left SEWilco2: Hmm. Client wants blogs which can be associated with various domain names. That's going to be fun to let them administer without giving them Apache admin rights. ***: deepaks has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) SEWilco2: I think I can use Apache to rewrite URLs from a domain to a TikiWiki blog. Aha.. I remember an Apache2 interface to a database for rewriting things. ***: Amorphous has quit IRC ("shutdown") <br> CIA-53 has quit IRC () <br> Amorphous has joined #tikiwiki