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[00:20] <luciash> re
[00:21] <luciash> wog: you mean there's no picture upload field when you edit a wiki page ?
[00:23] <luciash> lphuberdeau: hi, what is PluginAlias ?
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[00:52] <lphuberdeau> luciash: fake plugins calling other plugins... hides implementation details
[00:54] <luciash> lphuberdeau: interesting, use case example ?
[00:54] <lphuberdeau> was mostly made to hide webservice stuff, but has other uses, especially with tracker apps
[00:55] <lphuberdeau> rather than using all those tracker plugins with all those ids no one can read, you can have specialized 'soft' plugins that will hide the ids and only contain the meaningful parameters
[00:56] <lphuberdeau> the plugins can now be bundled with profiles
[00:56] <luciash> you mean you can create alias for SQL plugin called DB and you'll get no help for it in wiki help ?
[00:57] <lphuberdeau> alias do have help in wiki help
[00:57] <luciash> oh, they're not wiki page plugins ?
[00:57] <lphuberdeau> they also have all the plugin UI stuff
[00:57] <lphuberdeau> you could have an alias for the SQL plugin that executes a specific query with a few user parameters
[00:58] <luciash> ah, that sounds like an useful example :)
[00:58] <lphuberdeau> alias is more than just changing the name... it can combine arguments, set defaults, ...
[00:59] <luciash> great :)
[00:59] <lphuberdeau> scoping down the plugins allow you to set different security parameters
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[04:10] <leon007> __WARNING__: No such module IFRAME! 
[04:10] <leon007> Greetings... Anyone knows where to get IFRAME plugin from? I am running tw ver 2.0 and when I try to use {IFRAME} syntax I get message 
[04:10] <leon007> __WARNING__: No such module IFRAME! 
[04:10] <leon007> I have a pretty much "virgin" installation of 2.0
[04:10] <leon007> thanks
[04:11] <leon007> example of syntax: {IFRAME(height=100,width=500, scrolling=auto, src="http:\\www.google.com")}{IFRAME}
[04:16] <leon007> anyone :( ?
[04:17] <chibaguy> leon007, http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_iframe.php
[04:18] <chibaguy> (It's was in mods, now in trunk, not in a released Tiki version yet.
[04:18] <chibaguy> (also, please be patient in irc -- people don't monitor this screen constantly. :-) )
[04:19] <leon007> thanks chibaguy for this answer as well as for last nights answers (I went to sleep before seeing the answer last night)
[04:19] <chibaguy> sure
[04:20] <leon007> ny reason why this plugin is not part of the release anymore?
[04:20] <leon007> any reason, that is
[04:21] <chibaguy> Was it ever in a release?
[04:21] <leon007> don't know - 2.0 is my first version, but it's in 1.9 pdf document
[04:22] <leon007> and a silly question (sorry I am new) - where in the tw tree do I stick this in?
[04:22] <chibaguy> I think it was in the docs because it was available to use in Tiki, but it wasn't ever part of the package.
[04:23] <chibaguy> It goes in lib/wiki-plugins/ .
[04:27] <chibaguy> Any luck on the google map in wiki page?
[04:28] <chibaguy> (user map?)
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[04:29] <leon007> hurray! the iframe worked... So, this is what I was going to try to do with user map...
[04:29] <leon007> trying now
[04:31] <leon007> not quite :( I put "tiki-gmap_usermap.php" username into my iframe and get a whole of my website (with 3 collumns) inside the frame. Granted it is on the right page...
[04:32] <leon007> src=i-gmap_usermap.php"  into my iframe 
[04:33] <chibaguy> Heh, well, that url is for the Tiki page in it's entirety, not just the map.
[04:34] <leon007> I'll look into it further, may be use that gmap plug-in too, iframe seemed like possible a quick solution...
[04:34] <chibaguy> Maybe you can look at the page source of the usermap.php to find the actual map src.
[04:36] <leon007> That has:
[04:36] <leon007> $smarty->assign('mid','tiki-gmap_usermap.tpl');
[04:36] <leon007> $smarty->display('tiki.tpl');
[04:37] <leon007> $smarty->display('tiki.tpl');
[04:37] <chibaguy> No, I mean the source of the finished page, seen in your browser.
[04:37] <leon007> so may be if I do $smarty->display('tiki-gmap_usermap.tpl)
[04:39] <leon007> true, but php first collects info on users, then passes it to smarty template that then runs google maps javascript...
[04:40] <chibaguy> Hmm, more complicated than just a simple url.
[04:41] <chibaguy> Well, there is a gmap wikiplugin, at mods.tikiwiki.org. But I'm not sure if it can be given Tiki user information.
[04:43] <chibaguy> Otherwise, maybe you can make a modified version of tiki-gmap_usermap.tpl that has the peripheral stuff stripped away.
[04:44] <chibaguy> Like tiki-index_p.php is compared to tiki-index.php
[04:45] <leon007> yeah, I am going to look at that plugin... In the meantime, as plan B, doing what I thought also worked... In other words I created usermap_frame.php and just did $smarty->display(tiki-gmap_usermap.tpl) the only bummer was that my theme didn't get applied...
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[05:36] <PS|bot> SVN:  Commit by chibaguy :: r 14738 /mods/trunk/themes/ (13 files in 13 dirs): [FIX] [FIX] Better method to list category block items horizontally (thanks to MacLeod), Minichat, tab improvements, etc.  
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[05:44] <luciash> polom
[05:59] <chibaguy> hi luciash
[06:05] <chibaguy> Mail to tikiwiki-cvs list is bouncing, but fyi, I added new theme Smooth to mods -- pastel pink and green, etc ;-) http://themes.tikiwiki.org/tiki-directory_redirect.php?siteId=59
[06:09] <chibaguy> http://zukakakina.com/Smooth
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[06:38] <luciash> hey chibaguy ! i hope we meet in montreal ;) fancy theme that smooth :)
[06:39] <luciash> i think it still needs some better padding here and there
[06:41] <chibaguy> Heh, ok, I'll take another look, or you can let me know or edit yourself if you like; it's in svn mods.
[06:41] <chibaguy> Yeah, I don't know about montreal yet. Would be very good, though.
[06:44] <luciash> for example around the search box in header and translation language wiki page switcher dropdown
[06:46] <chibaguy> Mm, you're right. I was getting in a rush to finish and commit. ;-)
[06:49] <luciash> np, i just spotted it ;)
[06:56] <luciash> f**k! now we get even {TAG(tag=bl<x>ink, style=border: 5px dotted green)}text{TAG} when i try to edit the page :(
[06:58] <luciash> i was going to fix some stuff on http://zukakakina.com/Sample_page&bl=n when i noticed it in preview... :( i couldn't save it if i don't want to break your sample page then :(
[06:58] <chibaguy> Heh, I knew people don't like the blink tag, but sanitizing it is an extreme step. ;-)
[06:59] <chibaguy> You can delete that blink tag if you like, since it isn't good practice anyway.
[07:01] <chibaguy> Oh, I deleted blink stuff from Sample_page.
[07:02] <chibaguy> That page is old and does need to be updated/improved.
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[07:25] <luciash> chibaguy: ok, kill the obsolte stuff :)
[07:25] <luciash> *obsolete
[07:31] <luciash> chibaguy: edited the page
[07:35] <luciash> chibaguy: now you have to port the most beautiful theme for ff/tb to Tiki - the Silvermel ;)
[07:38] <luciash> chibaguy: try it in your FF/TB ;) → http://www.silvermel.net/
[07:47] <chibaguy> luciash, I installed it and it's pretty nice.
[07:49] <chibaguy> Thanks for cleaning up my sample page. :-)
[08:00] <luciash> chibaguy: you're welcome
[08:02] <luciash> chibaguy: i find it (the Silvermel theme and the Charamel of course) very nice and original in the same time (not a copy of Mac OS X or Vista look)
[08:05] <luciash> chibaguy: planetfall needs clearfix
[08:05] <luciash> chibaguy: see http://themes.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Themes_for_TW2 in planetfall
[08:16] <chibaguy> Yeah, I know, but that's the 1.9 version of Planetfall. Is it necessary to update?
[08:16] <chibaguy> (also themes.tw.o is still using 1.9.11 or so)
[08:18] <chibaguy> wil be back later...
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[11:19] <gmc> hmm.. 'Sea Surfing (CSRF) detected. Operation blocked.' ... wtf does that mean..
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[11:19] <marclaporte> it's a security feature
[11:20] <marclaporte> because you had many windows open
[11:20] <marclaporte> you can turn off security
[11:20] <gmc> hmm, i only have one tab open on this tikiwiki install
[11:20] <marclaporte> hmmm
[11:21] <marclaporte> any chance you are under attack?
[11:21] <gmc> not likely, the installation is a development install on my laptop, i'm the only one in the office, and there's a pretty solid firewall..
[11:21] <marclaporte> hehe
[11:21] <marclaporte> that's a safe as it gets :-)
[11:22] <gmc> well, i could idsconnect the network cable :)
[11:22] <marclaporte> hahahaha
[11:23] <gmc> i guess emptying my cookie jar should help?
[11:25] <gmc> hmm, nope.. annoying 'security' feature.. preventing anyone from doing anything significant..
[11:26] <gmc> darn... tikiwiki is so full of bugs.. for every small step i take, there's a bug to solve :(
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[11:47] <gmc> does anyone know by any chance where aulawiki bugs are tracked? i've got some bugfixes...
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[11:57] <marclaporte> dev.tikiwiki.org?
[11:58] <marclaporte> gmc: : I know the feeling, can you share your fixes?
[11:58] <gmc> marclaporte: yes, i intend to share the fixes, once i find my way in the tikiwiki devel infrastructure
[11:59] <marclaporte> gmc:  super!!
[12:02] <gmc> i actually am on a customer job now, part of which is to implement something like aulawiki.. now that it exists, i've got some budget left over to work on those fixes in more detail :)
[12:03] <marclaporte> for Aulawiki, best to coordinate with xavi, he'll be very happy
[12:03] <gmc> allright, good to know, making note of that
[12:04] <marclaporte> you are using 2.0?
[12:04] <gmc> indeed i am
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[12:10] <PS|bot> SVN:  Commit by wings-of-glory :: r 14741 /trunk/tiki-edit_article.php: [FIX]: fixed an issue with article images -> uploading of images did not work on some restricted servers.  
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[12:56] <PS|bot> SVN:  Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 14742 /trunk/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX] Page lookup from wiki links would not work on accentuated characters  
[12:56] <yonixxx> Hi all
[13:16] <PS|bot> SVN:  Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 14743 /branches/experimental/all-langs/db/features.csv: [FIX] Duplicate line  
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[13:18] <PS|bot> SVN:  Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 14744 /branches/experimental/all-langs/tiki-all_languages.php: [FIX] Heading would get displayed on every page except the last one rather than only on the first one  
[13:22] <ricks99> hm... tiki-browse_freetags seems to list items, if users don't have permission to view the item....
[13:22] <ricks99> anyone know how to fix this wysiwyca issue?
[13:24] <yonixxx> Hi rick :0
[13:24] <ricks99> boker tov yonixxx (for me anyway :) )
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[13:54] <yonixxx> tsorayim tovim po...
[13:56] <PS|bot> SVN:  Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 14745 /trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): [FIX] Separating translation from multilingual and making urgent translation optional  
[14:15] <PS|bot> SVN:  Commit by sylvieg :: r 14747 /trunk/lib/filegals/filegallib.php: [FIX]fgal: can be able to unzip files in a directory  
[14:15] <PS|bot> SVN:  Commit by sylvieg :: r 14746 /trunk/lib/pclzip.lib.php: [FIX]pclzip: upgrade to 2.6 (our 2.5 was exactly the one on phpconcept.net) + dos2unix  
[14:17] <PS|bot> SVN:  Commit by wings-of-glory :: r 14748 /trunk/templates/tiki-calendar_daymode.tpl: [ENH]: calendar feature: events now reflect calendar colors in day view  
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[14:36] <marclaporte> gmc: : how are you coming along?
[14:38] <marclaporte> gmc: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/How+to+get+commit+access  when you are ready :-)
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[14:56] <SEWilco2> ricks99: I proposed an anon-only cache in devel-list a couple of days ago.  No replies yet, so at least there aren't objections.  I'll commit it in a day or two.
[14:57] <SEWilco2> ricks99: That's a solution to the wysiwyca issue.
[14:58] <SEWilco2> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_name=1212.71.39.197.146.1221596938.squirrel%40mail.pcann.com
[15:00] <PS|bot> SVN:  Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 14749 /trunk/templates/tiki-admin-include-profiles.tpl: [FIX] Conflict with mootools  
[15:01] <lphuberdeau> sewilco2: Just commit the patch, no need to ask... if anyone knows better, they'll do better
[15:01] <lphuberdeau> until then, we'll have one problem fixed
[15:01] <sylvieg> SEWilco: nobody answers because it is a very partial solution...
[15:02] <sylvieg> lphuberdeau: but no more cache for registered for a site open only the registered..
[15:02] * mlaporte lurks in the shadows to jump on SEWilco and to ask for other fixes after this one....
[15:02] <ricks99> dont quite understand anon-only cache?
[15:03] <ricks99> the item do not appear in searches (as expected), or page listing, or anything else
[15:03] <lphuberdeau> sylvieg, registered users are rarely what causes problems
[15:03] <ricks99> but clicking on the tag in the tag cloud  shows the page 
[15:03] <sylvieg> chache will be only for anonymous - the other ones will have no cache
[15:03] <lphuberdeau> that can be optional right? ;)
[15:04] <lphuberdeau> unless you have hundreds of registered active at the same time and all watching the same page, no cache for them is not a big issue
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[15:04] <wog> hi people
[15:04] <ricks99> so is there already a working cache for listing wiki pages?
[15:04] <sylvieg> chache for all - cache for anonymous only -?
[15:04] <ricks99> *confused* :(
[15:05] <wog> i updated a tiki 1.9.11 to tiki 3 svn head and when i login i get the following error
[15:05] <sylvieg> email-confirm ....?
[15:05] <wog> Fatal error:  Call to undefined function json_encode() in /srv/www/rayay/htdocs/t2/lib/tikilib.php on line 5195
[15:05] <sylvieg> ah no
[15:05] <sylvieg> you need to have json allowed in your php
[15:06] <wog> mmh
[15:06] <wog> what does that feature do?
[15:06] <lphuberdeau> wog, at this time, tiki 3 depends on PHP 5 - probably going to stay that way
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[15:06] <wog> a fresh install of tiki 3 does not give me that error
[15:06] <lphuberdeau> json_encode thing still needs a soft implementation... just no time to do it
[15:07] <wog> afaik there is php 5 installed on the server
[15:07] <wog> ok, i ask the admin to allow json
[15:07] <SEWilco2> ricks99: There is a cache which saves the effort of parsing a Wiki page.  My one-line change makes it only work for Anonymous users, thus the variations due to permissions won't happen.
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[15:07] <wog> thx people
[15:08] <wog> sylvieg: do you have a clue why a fresh install does not give me that error?
[15:08] <ricks99> ok (i think) but note my issue does not occor on a wiki page. 
[15:08] <wog> sylvieg: with fresh i mean the database
[15:09] <ricks99> i'll wait for ur patch and see...
[15:10] <SEWilco2> ricks99: Oh... freetags.  I see.  So it's displaying links to articles which people can't access?  That's different.
[15:10] <sylvieg> wog> check tiki-phpinfo.php - you should have --enable-json
[15:10] <lphuberdeau> has been enabled by default for a few years now
[15:11] <ricks99> @SEWilco2: y, when browsing freetags, tiki shows wiki pages that uses cannot access
[15:11] <SEWilco2> ricks99: Somehow I read that as being about a Wiki page with icons, but you are referring to freetags.  I doubt my thing will help.
[15:11] <ricks99> it is as though tiki does not check the page permisions 
[15:13] <SEWilco2> ricks99: I assume you didn't turn on the Search "ignore permissions" configuration option.  I doubt that's connected to the tag code anyway.
[15:13] <ricks99> correct. search is working as expected (as is the regular tiki-listpages)
[15:14] <SEWilco2> Someone probably has to copy the Search permission logic over to tags.
[15:15] <sylvieg> ricks99: yes thre is no perm check in freetag :-(
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[15:18] <SEWilco2> OK if I commit my anon-only cache to Stable because cache leaks info around permissions, thus it's a security fix?
[15:19] <ricks99> @sylvieg: how hard to add?
[15:20] <sylvieg> no easy - because so far I know we do not have a function give me the view perm name for an object type..
[15:20] <sylvieg> otherwise it is easy
[15:21] * sylvieg is still dreaming about some object oriented structure to do that
[15:21] * sylvieg will have a look later - but busy right now
[15:22] <SEWilco2> Hmm.. "consult release manager" whoever, or whatever, that is.  I'll just commit to Dev only.
[15:23] <SEWilco2> Where is it documented whether the "release manager" is hardware, wetware, or bureaucraticware?
[15:23] <SEWilco2> Oops.  software, not hardware.
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[15:29] <SEWilco2> Found it.  Release managers are wetware.  No manager for 2.0, maybe time to update info? http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=WhoWhat#5_General_ongoing_tasks
[15:43] <luciash> wetware ? LOL :)
[15:45] <luciash> consulting release manager is valid only _before_ release (at the time of RC is coming)
[15:52] <SEWilco2> I can't seem to get the wikilink  ((WhoWhat|#5_General_ongoing_tasks|release manager))  to work in http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Where+to+commit#How_to_get_advice_on_where_to_commit_
[15:52] <SEWilco2> I see WhoWhat is on a different tw.o wiki, but haven't found list of the names.
[15:54] <luciash> try ((tw.o:WhoWhat...))
[15:58] <SEWilco2> Yeah, finally found tw: in the Tikiwiki Manual of Style.  But dev.tw.o doesn't seem to be recognizing tw:
[15:59] <SEWilco2> See the question mark after "release manager" http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Where+to+commit&saved_msg=y#How_to_get_advice_on_where_to_commit_
[16:04] <SEWilco2> I suspect a dev.tw.o admin needs to define the tw external Wiki.
[16:05] <luciash> i'll check that out
[16:07] <PS|bot> SVN:  Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 14750 /trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [NEW] Support user input as part of profile creation  
[16:09] <luciash> SEWilco2: tw: prefix is correct
[16:11] <SEWilco2> So I have an error someplace in ((tw:WhoWhat|#5_General_ongoing_tasks|release manager))
[16:11] <luciash> yep, try to remove the first pipe
[16:11] <luciash> after WhoWhat
[16:13] <SEWilco2> Is dev.tw.o not running 2.0, thus does not have the anchor wikisyntax?
[16:14] <luciash> hmm, it should be
[16:16] <luciash> i'm not sure it works for external wikis too though
[16:17] <luciash> if it doesn't please use external link syntax
[16:17] <SEWilco2> Nope, apparently can't Wikilink to an external wiki's anchor.  tw.o complains about page called WhoWhat#5...etc
[16:18] <luciash> lets call it a bug :(
[16:19] <lphuberdeau> isn't that a missing feature more than a bug?
[16:19] <MatWho_> so that makes it a missing bug :)
[16:20] <lphuberdeau> matt: http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/User+Input
[16:21] <SEWilco2> The documentation only uses a page name for external Wikis.  Anchor syntax is not given as an example for external Wiki. http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Wiki-Syntax+Links&bl=y#External_Wiki
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[16:27] <SEWilco2> Because external Wiki syntax is an enhancement of wikilink syntax, not having anchor syntax for external Wikilinks is a disenhancement.
[16:29] <SEWilco2> We probably need to wait for a parser enchanter to become interested.
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[16:30] <SEWilco2> I'm not going to delve into the TW parser at the moment.  My head's already full by dealing with MW parser logic.
[16:33] <MatWho_> lphuberdeau: good stuff, read and edited - that stopped me from interrupting you complex debate about bug v. missing feature :) I am now resuming normal operations
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[16:45] <PS|bot> SVN:  Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 14751 /trunk/lib/profilelib/listlib.php: [ENH] Remove duplicates from profile list when profile is in multiple categories  
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[17:41] <PS|bot> SVN:  Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 14754 /trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [MOD] Linking new admin features from the user interface  
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[17:49] <ricks99> r there auto-merges from 2.0 SVN -> trunk? 
[17:52] <lphuberdeau> only when I do them
[17:52] <lphuberdeau> need one?
[17:52] <ricks99> not sure... i just did a commit and got a bounce message from souceforge.net 
[17:53] <ricks99> so i then committed to both branches.
[17:53] <ricks99> but havent seen any confirmation irc msg
[17:53] <ricks99> but normally, i should commit to both branches? no auto-merge
[18:03] <lphuberdeau> no, only commit to 2.0 if you commit to 2.0
[18:04] <lphuberdeau> there is merging, but automatic merging simply isn't something that exists
[18:04] <lphuberdeau> someone has to do it
[18:05] <lphuberdeau> tw version on doc is sooo old.... probably 1.10
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[18:07] <ricks99> so only comit to 2.0 -- someone will merge it for me?
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[18:17] <lphuberdeau> done
[18:18] <lphuberdeau> 14755
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[18:20] <PS|bot> SVN:  Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 14755 /trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/2.0 14665 to 14752  
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[18:50] <amette> luciash: excellent tip with the svn up - thanks! ;)
[18:51] <luciash> amette: np, bro :)
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[19:10] <nikhilodeon> hi - i am trying to center align all my tiki content - can anyone point me in the right direction?
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[19:15] <luciash> nikhilodeon: you mean wiki page content ?
[19:15] <nikhilodeon> correct
[19:16] <nikhilodeon> i have tried playing around with the css file but i am having no luck
[19:16] <luciash> try {CENTER()}...{CENTER}
[19:16] <luciash> hum, you mean for all wiki pages ?
[19:17] <nikhilodeon> right - like how, eg the new york times is centered - http://www.nytimes.com/
[19:17] <luciash> your site ?
[19:18] <nikhilodeon> it's behind a firewall right now
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[19:19] <luciash> what's the theme you use ?
[19:19] <luciash> try to copy from Kubrick or some other "centered"
[19:20] <nikhilodeon> i created my own, but it was based on moreneat.css
[19:20] <luciash> http://zukakakina.com/Kubrick for demo
[19:20] <nikhilodeon> ok thanks i'll try that - do you know if i have to modify the .tpl / template files as well?
[19:21] <nikhilodeon> or just the css
[19:21] <luciash> then just give it fixed width in CSS and set it margin: auto
[19:22] <luciash> or set for body {padding: 0 100px}
[19:25] <sylvieg> do we have a random plugin? do randomize a list of line?
[19:28] <SEWilco2> There is a random image plugin.  You want a "fortune"-like emitter of random paragraphs or pages?
[19:29] <SEWilco2> The makers of the Unix command "fortune" found that paragraph support was needed, not mere lines of text.
[19:31] <sylvieg> ye I want a random of a list of *....
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[19:47] <wog> is there a way to turn off ajax with a sql query?
[19:48] <wog> i can't find something like feature_ajax or something like that
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[19:56] <SEWilco2> sylvieg: You seem to be getting a resounding random set of silence.
[19:57] <PS|bot> SVN:  Commit by sewilco :: r 14758 /branches/2.0/tiki-index.php: [SEC] Make cache only work for anonymous users, stopping leakage across permissions, closing ticket 1291  
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[19:58] <SEWilco2> Should I also commit r 14758 2.0 to 3.0?
[20:00] <marclaporte> SEWilco: : there is a script for merges
[20:04] <SEWilco2> marclaporte: The words which you use are strange to me.  I find mention of "merge" in several TW pages, but not a definition of what a merge does.  The context implies...
[20:04] <SEWilco2> ... that a merge is within the version, not between 2.0 and 3.0.
[20:05] <SEWilco2> I do see one "community will handle merges from stable to dev", so at least one "merge" thing affects stable and dev.
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[20:08] <marclaporte> lphuberdeau : will be able to answer this :-)
[20:10] <SEWilco2> More word trouble.  He just appeared so doesn't know what "this" this is.  :-)
[20:11] <lphuberdeau> all patches made on 2.0 are replicated to trunk by an "automatic" process called merging
[20:12] <SEWilco2> I see.  "merge" is SVN terminology for blending multiple changes between branches.
[20:12] <lphuberdeau> oh and btw ... cvs commit list is broken
[20:13] <lphuberdeau> not really svn... version control at large
[20:13] <lphuberdeau> one of those universal concepts
[20:14] <SEWilco2> Yes, I see CVS uses the same term.  I've been using change control systems since about 1980, so encountered many terms before these flavors.
[20:16] <lphuberdeau> everywhere I saw, branch and merge were used together... which systems have you been using?
[20:16] <SEWilco2> "Why, in my day, a disk platter was 3 feet across... and I now use one as a coffee table."
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[20:16] <SEWilco2> I should take a photo of that disk platter.
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[20:20] <SEWilco2> I can't hardly remember.  COMPARE, GRIST, um... was it alcave?  Been using CVS in recent years, but with more paperwork so commits went in lockstep with scripts and merge was not visible.
[20:21] <SEWilco2> At least we don't need to email `patch`es.  :-)
[20:25] <lphuberdeau> ok, maybe those were before the branching days
[20:26] <SEWilco2> Some required a lot more manual intervention than CVS.
[20:27] <SEWilco2> At any rate, my five-line one-liner is in the collection now.  Do I wait until the weekly HEAD merge before I should update doc.tw.o?
[20:28] <SEWilco2> I mean update the documentation, not the server.
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[20:31] <SEWilco2> Or do I wait for a new tar file version before updating documentation for cache?
[20:34] * SEWilco2 taps the microphone.
[20:34] <SEWilco2> "Hello?  Is this thing on?"
[20:37] <lphuberdeau> update it now... maybe mention it's >=2.1
[20:37] <SEWilco2> OK.
[20:40] <SEWilco2> lphuberdeau: I don't think I can update tracker items, and it's assigned to you anyway: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=1291
[20:40] <lphuberdeau> I think any registered can
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[20:49] <sylvieg> SEWilco it should have being better to test on $user ==''
[20:51] <SEWilco2> sylvieg: I didn't want to trust $user when permissions are based on groups.
[20:52] <SEWilco2> lphuberdeau: I'm not seeing edit icons or links on bug1291, nor in module menus.  Does one have to hand-craft a URL to reach a tracker edit interface?
[20:53] <sylvieg> $user == '' is the way we test ususally anonymous
[20:53] <sylvieg> but your way will work - just it is unusual
[20:54] <sylvieg> in fact I am not sure in works
[20:55] <lphuberdeau> are you logged-in? I see the edit tab above the bug... and I have no special rights
[20:55] <SEWilco2> sylvieg: Unusual is not good when there's a standard incantation.  Mine works but at present it's the null test which is triggered, so I'm probably testing a $group error condition.
[20:55] <lphuberdeau> oh... maybe I do
[20:55] <sylvieg> $group is a bad notion because it is the default group . but a user belongs to many groups and with the included not - not sure that 'Anonymous' is not included in the group and if no default group is chosen it can be piced...
[20:56] <lphuberdeau> I assigned it to you...
[20:56] <SEWilco2> The tabs I see are "View/Comments/Attachments"  Above that are two boxes: "List Trackers" and "View This Tracker's Items".  No Edit.
[20:58] <SEWilco2> sylvieg: Somehow testing $group for null works on my permission configurations.  But I think I can redo a one liner easily enough.
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[20:59] <sylvieg> SEWilco - yes please redo with testing user - I have a bad feeling with included group...
[21:05] <SEWilco2> Hmm.  "svn merge -r14758:PREV" says "Not enough arguments provided".  Giving username didn't help.
[21:05] <sylvieg> SEWilco you need to do a svn comit -m "not enougt" tiki-indesx.php
[21:07] <SEWilco2> I was just trying to rollback my change to remove it before submitting a fixed one.  I think you're advising I make the change and just submit the new version.
[21:08] <sylvieg> oh no do not worry - commit again
[21:08] <SEWilco2> I've got to test the change, then I'll commit.
[21:19] <SEWilco2> The "Rollback one version" instructions don't seem to work: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=SVNTips
[21:21] <PS|bot> SVN:  Commit by sewilco :: r 14759 /branches/2.0/tiki-index.php: [SEC] Make cache only work for anonymous users, stopping leakage across permissions, closing ticket 1291, using usual anon test  
[21:24] <SEWilco2> lphuberdeau: I see bug1291 is assigned to me, but still no options to edit it.
[21:28] <lphuberdeau> maybe someone who knows better can explain
[21:28] <lphuberdeau> I just never even look at the bug list
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[21:34] <SEWilco2> Doesn't matter whether I look at http://dev.tikiwiki.org/bug1291 or the full URL.  No edit option, the field data is read-only with no text input nor pulldown..except for rating it and entering Comments.
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[21:35] <SEWilco2> I think SEWilco just doesn't have tracker edit permission.  Someone else might need to report fix on the way in 2.1.
[21:36] <nikhilodeon_> hi, i had posted the following item on dev.tw.o , if anyone has any insights - TikiWiki 2.0: Filtering Search Results  http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=2024&trackerId=5
[21:38] <SEWilco2> nikhilodeon_: There is no parent/child relationship on Wiki pages unless they're part of a "Structure".  You can define a Structure to help define that relationship...
[21:39] <SEWilco2> ... but I don't think Search is presently aware of structure for filtering.
[21:39] <nikhilodeon_> SEWilco2 - by parent / child pages i just meant that one page may include many others
[21:39] <nikhilodeon_> and i just want to display the page that includes the others, not the included pages, in the search results
[21:39] <SEWilco2> You mean "include" as in "display as if the other page's text were in this page"?
[21:41] <SEWilco2> Right, so you're using some standard boilerplate to fill in some articles and you don't want the boilerplate pages to show up?
[21:41] <nikhilodeon_> no, i mean like in the main page i use a series of these types of statements {INCLUDE(page=>ERES/EI)}{INCLUDE}
[21:41] <nikhilodeon_> exactly - it'd be like displaying chapters in a book, as opposed to the book title
[21:42] <SEWilco2> So I think what you want to know if there is a way to mark a page is not searched but the INCLUDED text does get searched?
[21:43] <SEWilco2> Maybe everyone else is still typing their answers, but I think search does not use INCLUDE text.  I think Search works upon the defined text.
[21:43] <nikhilodeon_> yeah i guess you could say that - i have a specific format of the page title, and wondering if perhaps that title, eg "Page/TitleType" could be displayed
[21:44] <SEWilco2> Are you never getting the pages with INCLUDE, but always getting the boilerplate pages?
[21:44] <nikhilodeon_> i get both - typically 20 pages, when what i really want to display is the 1 that includes the 19 others
[21:46] <SEWilco2> Hmm.  I'm surprised that you even get the 1.  Maybe Search looks in the cache field also, thus finds the last expanded version.
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[21:47] <SEWilco2> I suspect the reason the other 19 show up then is because I'm pretty sure I've seen weak ANDing; the 1 page is probably highest in the search ratings but then the other pages show up due to being similar or related.
[21:49] <SEWilco2> Looking at the individual Permissions for one of my pages, I don't see any search permissions, so that doesn't help.
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[21:56] <SEWilco2> tiki_p_search is the only permission with "search" in the name.  Whoops, I forgot to let Anonymous do that on my test site.
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[22:05] <SEWilco2> nikhilodeon_: One possibility: Use the tiki_p_view_categorized permission on a group which allows users to view Wiki pages.  Then add that category to all the visible pages but not the boilerplate pages.
[22:06] <SEWilco2> Another possibility: Leave ON the config option that ALL categories must allow permission.  Then create a category without read_wiki permission and add that to only the boilerplate pages.
[22:07] <SEWilco2> If either of those approaches work, the setting of the "all categories" option affects your permission structure and future permission options.
[22:08] <SEWilco2> Either approach requires that all the affected users have the _view_categorized permission, so they're affected by the categories.
[22:09] <SEWilco2> This approach assumes that the Search code honors the _categorized option.
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[22:11] <lphuberdeau> probably does... I think object_has_permissions is called on each search result... which is why the amount displayed is not always the same (there are probably bugs filed for this stuff)
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[22:20] <SEWilco2> lph: Yup, that's why I suspect that a permissions solution is likely to work.  I don't see other existing options.
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