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   Eve: Anyone up for answering a question
   <br> Bleh, anyone here at all? D:
   PrezKennedy: nope
   <br> ;-)
   Eve: :P
   <br> You want to help me out? :O
   PrezKennedy: depends on what it is
   <br> ask the question and im sure someone will help you
   Eve: Tis security related, i'm wondering how someone would be able to gain access to a wiki in such a way as to create an account and give themselves admin access?
   <br> I don't think the password to an existing admin account was guessed
   <br> This appeared shortly after it too;  Sat 04 of Oct, 2008 [20:03]  	 Index (hist v1)  v  c  d  s 	Created 	 admin  	 0.0.0.0  	 Tiki initialization
   <br> If that helps any.
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   starnix: Eve, are the permissions sane?
   Eve: You're going to have to elaborate, I'm not used to Wiki settings.
   <br> Sorry D:
   <br> As far as i know, new members on the wiki don't have the permissions to delete pages or admin themselves. If that's what you mean :o
   starnix: I was thinking more of the file permission settings on the wiki root files.  Is this a windoze or unix installation?
   Eve: Ooh, No idea sorry. The owner of the wiki isn't tech-savvy and i'm looking into this for her
   starnix: Who ser it up?
   <br> set*
   Eve: Two other people, they aren't online at the moment so i can't ask them about it D:
   <br> However the guy gained access must have been fairly simple though, he wasn't the smartest guy
   starnix: Do you have an idea who the culprit is?
   Eve: Yeah, he never bothered using a Proxy either as far as i know
   <br> We've banned his IP through the webserver, but he could always grab a proxy and return. So we've disabled registration on the Wiki for now
   starnix: Is it a shared server?
   Eve: Meaning?
   starnix: Do you own the server or is it provided by a hosting company?
   Eve: Ahh, it's provided by a hosting company
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   Eve: Sorry if i'm being troublesome &gt;_&gt;
   starnix: Not at all.  I'd alert the hosting company, there may be other, more serious, security flaws.
   Eve: hmm, okay
   <br> If they'd gained access to the site wouldn't they have just wiped the whole thing though?
   <br> All they done was edit a few Wiki pages and delete one permanently
   starnix: Not necessarily.  Was there any clue as to their intentions from what they edited?
   Eve: He was just being an idiot
   <br> Trying to cause as much problems for us as possible i reckon
   starnix: Is this the first time its happened?
   Eve: Yep
   <br> Can i put this on hold for 10 minutes? I need to go somewhere really quickly
   starnix: Sure, maybe someone else on here can be of more help than I've been.
   Eve: Eh, you've been good :P
   <br> Back in a bit
   marclaporte: polom
   Eve: Right, back now
   <br> Anyone have any ideas?
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   starnix: Eve, what are you using for the database?
   Eve: No idea whatsoever
   <br> Is there any way i could check? Without having admin access
   starnix: Its pretty transparent to the end-user.  If the db isn't secure, most anything can be done to the site without really using the wiki pages.
   Eve: Anything i can try out?
   starnix: Do you have shell access to the site?
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   Eve: Woops, X'd the box by accident
   <br> Woops, X'd the box by accident D:
   <br> And nah, i don't
   <br> Hm...sorry about that
   starnix: ftp access?
   Eve: Nope
   starnix: Does anyone else have some suggestions for Eve?
   Eve: I doubt the guy could have forced access to any of this though
   starnix: Maybe he couldn't, but possibly a friend of his could.
   Eve: ahh
   <br> He didn't strike me as the friend-hoarding type :P
   starnix: It doesn't take an army of friends.
   Eve: Was over something really trivial too &gt;_&lt; some people have issues.
   starnix: sylvieg .. I did fix the problem I asked about earlier with installing the workspace mod.  After a massive greping of the whole tree, I edited the "features-aulawiki.info.txt" to correct the INSERT strings to match the table stucture.
   <br> Eve, maybe you should talk to the perpetrator, if he knows you know who he is he may not try it again.
   Eve: I doubt i'll get anything sensible out of him, or that he'll be scared. He sent PM's to the admins on our forums beforehand with what he probably thought were badass insults then started trash talking us on some other board only to be banned there too
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   koios: chiba?
   <br> can anyone help
   <br> hello
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   Jilanha: good evening :D
   koios: hey
   <br> jil
   <br> are you here to help or do you need help
   Jilanha: oh I need help
   <br> I don't know anything about sql other than how to copy and paste it :P
   koios: ok
   <br> i will try but no expert here whats p
   <br> whats up
   Jilanha: http://thenetherrealm.com/wiki3/tiki-index.php
   <br> error messages everywhere :P
   <br> and there are some tables I'm trying to restore to that database that are too large to import...I can't figure out how to add them in
   koios: ok 1 sec
   <br> what theme are you using?
   Jilanha: i have no idea. i installed the wiki and connected it to an empty database
   <br> then started importing an old backup table by table
   <br> i believe though, that the theme was a custom one
   koios: well way over my head knowledge wise i am sorry i just strted using the software myself www.reviewnreport.com
   <br> many people come in here that know a lot obut tiki and they are quite willing to help
   Jilanha: do you know of any way to restore deleted articles?
   koios: i am waiting for assistance as well it is the only location that yo ucan recieve help with tiki
   Jilanha: someone hacked our tiki and deleted some pages.. i'm trying to restore them
   koios: =[ i copy paste a lot too i am afraid =]
   <br> what is your site about
   Jilanha: it's a reference wiki for an online RPG game that we are developing into a multi series book
   koios: oh wow cool
   Jilanha: there is a lot of time and effort put into that site.. and it really sucks that someone deleted our work
   koios: =[
   Jilanha: so.. trying to figure out how to recover lost pages pretty much. what are you trying to do?
   koios: install a chatroom
   <br> like this one =]
   Jilanha: ah
   koios: trying to install  mibbet
   <br> a web client
   <br> also soem other lil things
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   Jilanha: hi mary
   Mary: hey Koios are you on?
   <br> hi
   Jilanha: he's around :D
   Mary: oh ok =]
   koios: hey mary whats up
   Mary: I really like your site i was checking it out earlier could you improve my privlages i would like to be a moderator and write articles
   koios: oh thanks i dont know though i dont know you well enough
   <br> maybe  we will see
   <br> send me a email
   <br> www.webmaster@reviewnreport.com
   <br> this way i have contact info
   Mary: ok
   <br> sure
   <br> =]
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   Mary: ?
   <br> what about the chatroom?
   koios: i am working on it now
   <br> i know we really need one on there i am looking at mibbit
   Mary: ok
   <br> i wanna start threds in the forum for you =]
   koios: ok like i said we will see =]
   Mary: hi psbot
   <br> have you seen koios's site www.reviewnreport.com yet you should register
   koios: stop mary! this is neither the time or place for promotion
   <br> this is for tiki so stop
   Mary: ok I am sorry
   <br> I did not want to offend you  just trying to help
   koios: i know but you cant do that here
   <br> rnr does not do things like that that is why people have been waiting for the site to open
   Mary: yes you are right i apologize well what can i do for you koios
   koios: i  am fine hangout on rnr  make some pages of info up
   Mary: i wanna talk with you though =[
   koios: go now i am trying to get info for the site
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   koios: sorry guys for her spamming
   Jilanha: lol that's funny
   koios: what?
   Jilanha: she's so eager to be a moderator
   koios: a lot of people wanna help me out
   <br> they really like the site
   <br> it is just people from here really no one else knows about it
   <br> you can post a thred about rpg's on the site if ya want jil
   <br> *thread
   Jilanha: it's pretty cool
   koios: thats what i mean it is there for everyone
   <br> she wants to open a sci fi thread i think
   <br> that women
   <br> mary
   Jilanha: well open it for her and she can lead discussion without having to be promoted to moderator
   koios: i have some other pc tech geeks on here that wanna start thread too
   <br> i am going too =]
   <br> i dont mind her just dont like someone spamming like that
   Jilanha: yeah you need just a few mods that you trust to open topics for you and clarify which member is going to lead discussion rather than just mod everyone
   koios: right
   <br> i agree
   <br> do you think i should allow her to now
   <br> or should i wait
   Jilanha: to what? to mod or lead a discussion
   koios: the site is not complete
   <br> lead discusssion
   Jilanha: well, how far from completion are you?
   koios: i am just about there it is functional
   <br> just a few lil tweaks
   Jilanha: well you could release a copule of topics, just so others who are as of yet undecided can get an idea of what it will be like
   koios: did you register yet?
   <br> on the RnR site?
   Jilanha: no not yet but that's cause i don't really know what it's going to be like
   koios: basically filling in the gaps for wiki
   <br> not only a information hub but a community
   <br> so all in one
   Jilanha: cool
   koios: for everyone and everything
   <br> hey i like that maybe i sould make that the motto
   <br> For everyone &amp; everything
   <br> =]
   <br> yea
   <br> i gotta go design a banner
   <br> i'll be back  =]
   Jilanha: cool
   koios: no one yet to help you jul
   <br> jil
   <br> =[ to bad i am in the same boat
   Jilanha: not yet
   <br> i think its a theme issue but i don't know how to get around it
   koios: i am having a real hard time installing this =[  www.mibbit.com
   <br> it is suppose to be real easy so i feel dumb
   <br> i think it is a theme issue too
   Jilanha: so now the question is. how do I get around the theme issue
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   koios: just load a new theme in from the admin menu
   Jilanha: but i an't even login
   <br> oh wait... i got logged in but my index page is empty
   koios: oh you might have to reinstall  tikiwiki  fresh to your host
   Jilanha: gah! i'm getting half of the pages to work but not all of them
   <br> most of them are blank, but others work fine
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   koios: cioa hey
   <br> cia
   Jilanha: wb CIA
   koios: he could help ye
   Jilanha: he hasn't been talking for hours...just lurking
   koios: lol
   Jilanha: I have a massive toothache/migraine and I just really want to go to sleep
   koios: =[ sorry jil go get some sleep than =]
   Jilanha: trying to get another one of my staff in here to take my place
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   koios: helllo
   macjaeger: buon giorno
   koios: hey mac
   <br> i am stil;l foolin around with chat
   <br> widget
   macjaeger: didn't work they way i explained?
   koios: i was so exhausted i went to sleep
   <br> it should be easy
   <br> but i would like a menu button
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   koios: did u register on the site yet? i will make you a moderator
   <br> i made copies of all the home files and changed there name to chat
   <br> i figured that would work but it is so early
   <br> i am getting sick of all this i need to take a break
   macjaeger: actually you didn't need to change anything
   <br> you only need to put that magic line to a wiki page:
   <br> {IRCCHAT()}my Chat{IRCCHAT}
   koios: i do?magic?
   macjaeger: then this page will show the chatwindow
   koios: really so i can create any page and put it on it
   macjaeger: when you want to have a button in your menu you must create an menu entry for it
   <br> sure, that's what plugins are about, right?
   <br> they plug in a page :)
   koios: www.mibbit.com
   macjaeger: oh wait
   <br> now you want to put _that_ in your page?
   koios: yes
   <br> well i dont need that irc
   <br> i like the frog
   <br> =[ i wish i was smarter
   macjaeger: then you'll have to do the work yourself
   koios: really
   <br> ok what was your way
   <br> i am ready
   macjaeger: well i showed you one way to do it, if you want to walk another road, you'll have to get your own map out
   <br> maybe you should start logging our conversations
   <br> i feel kind of stupid repeating myself over and over
   koios: =[ i wish i was older these things are so hard for a 11yr old =[
   macjaeger: ok, then you're out
   koios: lol i am teasing but i feel like one
   macjaeger: your're legally not supposed to run any public site or chat
   <br> *g*
   -: marclaporte is curious about this irc discussion
   koios: i need a chatrrom on my page
   marclaporte: I didn't read log, in a nutshell, was is happening?
   macjaeger: <u>marclaporte</u>: koios wants to have chat on his site, and found that mini_chap doesn't work
   koios: i need to know how to install it
   macjaeger: it doesn't work for me either, so i put a java-irc-client in a plugin and put that on a wikipage
   <br> now i was trying to help koios do the same
   koios: where do i acess plugins mac?
   macjaeger: plugins ar - basically - php-scripts stored in /lib/wikiplugins folder
   <br> and they are - basically - put into wikipages by adding the right incantation to the page
   koios: ok so i copy paste my irc code and put it in that folder
   macjaeger: that incantation is {PLUGINNAME}
   <br> i provided you with a zip-archive, containing all the necessary files to put pjirc on your site
   <br> you need to unzip that  and upload the contents to your webroot
   koios: ok i will work at it
   macjaeger: when you've done this you can insert {IRCCHAT()}my chat{IRCCHAT} in any wikipage
   <br> and tikiwiki will show the java plugin there
   koios: what about on my horizontl menu
   <br> what is your user name on my site mac i will make you a moderator
   macjaeger: [13:48] &lt;macjaeger&gt; when you want to have a button in your menu you must create an menu entry for it
   <br> sorry, you'll have to moderate your site yourself
   koios: i have others
   <br> wanted you because you are so intelligent and kind
   <br> =[ but that is ok i'll just get some kids to help out
   <br> you can have your own thread mac we will name it Macs Pc help
   macjaeger: sure, can do
   koios: ok cool
   macjaeger: i'm 50€ per hour
   koios: this way you can check every so often
   <br> oh no this is a free site to help the public
   macjaeger: what exactly are you providing?
   koios: a wikipedia that is also a community
   <br> now you can hangout and chat in forums blog emails evrything
   <br> plus search for information an any given subject
   <br> so it is perfect for you
   macjaeger: so actually you are building your own yahoo + wikipedia ?
   koios: yea
   macjaeger: why?
   koios: becuase that is what i wanted
   <br> so i did
   <br> i  want something that is easy to navigate
   <br> and not full of ads
   macjaeger: why not join communities that already exist?
   <br> would spare you the trouble of all that tech stuff
   koios: i want to make money
   <br> i am broke
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   koios: and have no future
   macjaeger: then you should have something to sell
   koios: this site is my future
   macjaeger: you are doomed
   koios: i want to provide info to the public in a easy manner
   macjaeger: easier than wikipedia?
   koios: you are a rarity in this belive most people highly anticipate this site
   macjaeger: i know, i'm a dreamer
   koios: i can tell by you saying that, that you are well in your 40's?
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   koios: am i right
   macjaeger: nope.
   koios: oh ok your a hip 18
   <br> my mistake
   <br> do you have a myspace profile  www.myspace.com/koiosorion
   macjaeger: sorry, i won't marry you :-)
   koios: thats ok i apreciate all the help you have given me you have been vey kind i
   <br> i just woke up on the wrong side of the bed sorry
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   macjaeger: ^^
   <br> <u>marclaporte</u>: you said you were interested in that chat subject... why?
   marclaporte: I think chat is essential part of online communities
   macjaeger: yes. sure it is
   marclaporte: I feel currently irc #tikiwiki is too disconnected from tikiwiki.org
   <br> I think web-interface to IRC, using tikiwiki.org credentials would be nice
   <br> irc.tikiwiki.org has nice logging
   <br> but totally not integrated with cgi-irc
   <br> or tiki
   macjaeger: a chat must be usable outside of the site too
   marclaporte: yes, with desktop client
   macjaeger: i won't have the page open whole day, but i'm logged in here almost always
   <br> yet still the page should provide _one_ way inside
   marclaporte: yup
   macjaeger: that's why i choose a java client
   <br> (on my site)
   marclaporte: that won't work on my pocketpc
   <br> But I understand the choice
   macjaeger: would flash?
   marclaporte: cgi-irc does
   <br> no flash
   macjaeger: cgi-irc is heavy on the server &amp; connection
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   macjaeger: well, that won't hurt tw.o i guess, but our shared host won't allow it for obvious reasons
   <br> but for your pocketpc there must be some standalone irc clients, right?
   marclaporte: yes, you are right
   <br> could do that
   macjaeger: maybe one could have a page showing either cgi:irc or java/flash client, and listing "common" clients to use for different situations?
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   macjaeger: hmm... how do i edit a FAQ-Question after i posted it?
   <br> i only seem to be able to edit the FAQ settings, but not the questions?
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   macjaeger: LOL
   <br> found it
   <br> i can edit questions when i try to add a new one...
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   koios: chiba?
   <br> are you here? Chiba =[
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   Koios: chiba?
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   marclaporte: polom
   Simmi: <u>Marc</u>: lompo
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