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lizi has joined #tikiwiki lizi: Hi everybody
chibaguy are you here ?
I wanted to ask you, are you the author of the undergroud theme ?
Have you noticed the problems I was talking about the other day ? chibaguy: Hi lizi
I'm not the original author, but I adapted it for Tikiwiki
Sorry but what problems, again? lizi: errr. various things :D
divs are the wrong size, position of left and right column seems weird, etc
oh and the "apply" buttons in the admin panel appear outside the div. just an example chibaguy: Can you look at http://themes.tikiwiki.org/Underground and see if that page has the same problems with layout?
Actually Underground originally is only two columns, left and center. I added the right column, too, for sites to have the option, but the theme works best with just left and center. lizi: it does have the same problems chibaguy: The margins in the stylesheet are optimized for left + center only. This is in the readme. lizi: I can't test everything though chibaguy: What browser are you using? lizi: ff3 chibaguy: OK, same as I use for testing. lizi: it may be I am too demanding
the theme is quite good looking, it just has these annoying little things.
Maybe it's because I'm a girl :D chibaguy: not necessarily lizi: My bf says there's too much fancy stuff and I should stick with the neat theme :P chibaguy: the neat theme is crap
(imho)
;-) lizi: btw, the theme doesn't validate. I believe it says "Title" instead of "title" chibaguy: OK, I'll run it through the validator again.
Did you try hiding the right column? (using the link on the themes.tw.o/underground page)? lizi: it's on the line that says design by st5yleshout
I'll try now. but I like the right column chibaguy: Ah, the santizing script hit that -- it can get out of control.
or else a typo by me.
You mean you like all three columns? In that case the margins or padding should be reduced. I should do a doc page on that.
(uh, maybe that's your typo -- "st5yleshout"? 14:35 above? lizi: thats my typo chibaguy: ok lizi: <a href="http://www.styleshout.com/" Title="Design by Styleshout">Underground</a> </div>
see the title attribute ***: Timothy has joined #tikiwiki
Timothy has left chibaguy: Yes, what's the problem?
or question? lizi: the T doesn't validate :D chibaguy: ah, ok, thanks.
I'll fix it.
Well, I'm interested to know specifically what problems you see with the layout, etc. lizi: i removed the right column and I still have all the same problems chibaguy: I know these themes aren't perfect. When I commit them to the repository, it's kind of like, ok, here it is to use and improve if anyone wants to....
I'm steadily finding things to fix, and do updates a few times a week usually. lizi: hmm it's a bit difficult to describe all this stuff
the original theme wich i just found on styleshout is fine
it sucks very much because it's only using a fifth of my monitor, but everything else is fine
in fact, your code is gpl, right?
but their design has some sort of annoying license
i was thinking maybe I'd roll my own based on your code, and repair the stuff I dislike
then post it on TW
what do you think ? chibaguy: Their code is Creative Commons Attribution, which means you can do whatever you like with it as long as you leave a link to their site.
Well, it'd be great if you wanted to do your own adaptation. Of course, if there are problems with this theme, they should be fixed, too. lizi: well their code is the css, is that right ?
the tpl is yours
in fact i should check :D chibaguy: Yes, I get their css file and look at their page html, then adapt to Tiki.
...kind of map their css selectors to Tiki's, and especially in this theme the header area is quite different from the (my) standard Tiki, so site-header.tpl and maybe tiki.tpl had to be changed some. PS|bot: SVN: Commit by chibaguy :: r 15246 /mods/trunk/themes/ (11 files in 11 dirs): [FIX] Make link title lower case to validate (thanks, lizi). chibaguy: quick, eh? ;-) lizi: yeah :D chibaguy: I had my editor open already and did a search and replace. lizi: :)
hey I gotta go get some food
brb :) chibaguy: ok ***: jerkface03 has quit IRC (Nick collision from services.)
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franck has joined #tikiwiki lizi: back. I see you are correcting underground chibaguy :P
the css doesn't validate either btw :P ***: Wilkins has joined #tikiwiki lizi: are there any good tutorials for making TW themes from scratch ?
or documentation ? chibaguy: I haven't checked the validation in a while, so will again.
Well, there's a little documentation, but it's out of date.
:-|
I wrote this up a while back as background for the way I approach themes, and the path I recommend: http://themes.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Tiki_110_Theme_Ideas
(General layout considerations, etc.)
I generally start with this CSS file: http://themes.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Tikiwiki2_CSS_selectors
It has selectors for *litecss-based themes (no table for main layout) and also for table-using layouts such as Kubrick, Dark Shine, etc., in mods. lizi: ok chibaguy: It also has color placeholders. This isn't perfect, but helps avoid light-on-light contrast problems.
And it consolidates colors to some extent.
I update this file from time to time as new selectors are added to the templates.
For template files, there isn't an actual set that's a model. For full-width themes, I recommend the *litecss method for the reasons stated in that wiki page. You can use the files from /templates/styles/thenews or /darkroom or /feb12 , etc. They're all pretty similar if not identical.
I use Firefox and the Firebug add-on to examine theme's pages in progress, or to check the original if I'm doing an adaptation.
It is possible to do a new theme by making a stylesheet only, but in this case it will use the default template files. The default files in Tiki 2 are "old style", so using the tpls of one of the themes I mentioned will be more in line with what's planned for Tiki3.
Actually I added the color properties to the model CSS file to help avoid dark-on-dark contrast problems. People add colors to templates or CSS files assuming the the background is always white/near-white and the text is always dark.
-- engineers..... ;-)
Doing some docs on theme-making is high on my to-do list. lizi: what's the body.jpg in ohia for ? chibaguy: IIRC, I wanted a background for the header and footer areas that wasn't a solid color, so used an image. The reason I made it the body background is that when pages widen enough for a horizontal scrollbar, IE doesn't redraw the header bg, so it looks weird to me, only going as wide as the initial page width.
(Now I'm noticing FF3 doesn't widen the body background image on widening pages, so I need to keep checking on this.
)
IE will apply the body bg image full-width even when the page widens. lizi: just saying this because body.jpg doesn't look like the body background
or maybe I'm using 2 different versions chibaguy: There's only one version as far as I know.
But div#middle has a dark gray background, so body.jpg doesn't show completely.
Well, this was kind of an experiment. I made the header and footer transparent-background and sort of guestimated window heights where the body.jpg would show through the way I wanted. It's pretty rough.
(I mean bg image placement is a bit loose relative to things on top of it. But it never actually "breaks".) lizi: might be a good idea to reduce the jpg then chibaguy: It's only 1.19KB. lizi: 1 KB too large muahahahaha
I was thinking about using ohia to do a plone-like theme
that's why I've been looking around :D chibaguy: Ah, one other point on the bg image. . .
A more or less totally red image would worked well for the header/footer backgrounds, but on slow page loads I didn't want early-arriving text to not have the gray background, so I made the middle band of the bg image dark.
btw, what is a plone-like theme? lizi: the footer isn't an image it's just plain red
plone.org chibaguy: ah, I forgot to update the img name in the css file. lizi: hmm maybe not
after reducing the menus the page is now shorter and i can see a different red
below the "powered by TW" box thingy chibaguy: Yeah, the footer bg color, not image was being used.
I just corrected it. PS|bot: SVN: Commit by chibaguy :: r 15248 /mods/trunk/themes/ohia/styles/ohia.css: [FIX] Wrong footer bg image name corrected. chibaguy: Well, it's ok except the show php errors bg needs fixing.....
Hmm, specifying a footer bg color/img conflicts what I said about them being transparent, so maybe I need to recheck my notes, etc. lizi: do you know if it is safe to use png (any type) on the web nowadays ?
without javascript hacks for IE ? chibaguy: IE6 doesn't recognize alpha transparency in png.
So uses a gray instead.
Notice some of Tiki's icons. lizi: do people still use IE6 ? chibaguy: Plenty, unfortunately. lizi: hmm well, blast em chibaguy: I gotta go now. Will try to get back later. Thanks for pointing out the probs, etc. lizi: ok :) ***: chibaguy has left lizi: was about to report an icon problem :D ***: Paragtim has joined #tikiwiki
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feindbild has joined #tikiwiki feindbild: hello :) mac|jaeger: moin feindbild: I somehow can't give tiki_p_post_shoutbox and tiki_p_view_shoutbox permissions to the Registered group :/ I check the boxes, hit update but the perms don't appear :/
any hint? mac|jaeger: is shoutbox active?
in features? feindbild: tiki-assignpermission.php
yes, the shoutbox is active, and it's module is added for all groups
but only the admins group can view it :( mac|jaeger: sec, let me check here
what version of tw are you running? chibaguy: feindbild, you can try clearing your caches (tiki-admin_system.php).
Sometimes that helps. feindbild: no, still can't add permissions :/ mac|jaeger: hmm, no problems here. adding and removing from registered without trouble
so... what version? feindbild: 2.2 ***: NefariousC has quit IRC () mac|jaeger: did you start with 2.2 or upgraded? if so, did it work before?
(I'm still running a snapshot 2.2 alpha, your is more recent) feindbild: I started with 2.2, never used tikiwiki before
http://pastebin.com/m556e8955
those are the perms I already assigned ... mac|jaeger: can you add the perms to other groups?
can you add other perms to registered (seems so) feindbild: I can't add the shoutbox perms to Anonymous
I just successfully added tiki_p_vote_chart to Registered group ***: ricks99 has joined #tikiwiki feindbild: but no shoutbox group :/
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lphuberdeau has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) ricks99: is there a way to iterate a {foreach ..} loop in ABC order? i want to modify cateobjects.tpl to show the objects in ABC order
i know i can assign a sort order from the php, but i'd rather find a way in the TPL so my upgrades are easier
something like {foreach ... order=ascending} maybe? marclaporte: polom
ricks99: : sometimes, accents are not alpha
État ends up being at the end ricks99: thats ok. this site is us english only
i just want to somehow change the default to be a-b-c instead of last modified
and don't want to have to change the php ('cause then i need to rmember to replicate the change for each tiki upgrade)
*rick learned the hard way -- keep your mods to the TPLs and life is easier :) marclaporte: hehe
ricks99: :we are all "condemned" to collaborate :-) sylvieg: there is a sortlink smarty block that can eventually do that ricks99: "sortlink"? i can't find any such item on smarty.net sylvieg: no it is our block
it is sorting the html output
.. it is used in the admin menu section ***: grobda24-ghost has joined #tikiwiki ricks99: tiki-admin_menus.tpl? ***: grobda24 has quit IRC (Connection timed out) sylvieg: lib/smarty_tiki/block.sortlinks.php ricks99: {sortlinks}....{/sortlinks} sylvieg: yes ... it can work otherwise you acn have a look and sort on what you have... ricks99: hm... close...
it is stripping out the html <li> item </li>
and i get just item item item item
when i want: <li>item</li> <li>item</li> etc
odd... it retains the </li> but strips out the <ul> and <li> ***: marclaporte has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) lizi: do you know which tpl invokes siteloginbar ?
I want to mod it but i cant find it ricks99: tiki-site_header_login.tpl lizi: cheers ***: tomb__ has left "Ex-Chat"
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GillesMM has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) Simmi: Has anyone experience with the TRIM tool? Getting problems making instance. ***: GillesMM has joined #tikiwiki Simmi: I'm using Ubuntu Server 64bit. Maybe this is untested on 64bit. ***: SvenAERTS has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
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SvenAERTS has joined #tikiwiki Simmi: I'm no Linux expert (I blame Amette - hehe) but I think there is a script error in ''make instance'. I followed the destructions in the TRIM setup, but, nothing seems to be going as planned. Would there be differences on a 32bit setup as opposed to a 64bit? amette: hey - that's not fair!! :P
lphuberdeau: you got some idea? -^ -: amette didn't work with TRIM yet at all Simmi: Oh, you are still alive then ;-).
I do not know if the mandated installed objects is ssh.so - I could not get this one to make into a package either, so just carried on. amette: yeah, I'm getting more alive every day... feeling pretty good again today.. ***: grobda24 has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
grobda24 has joined #tikiwiki amette: hmmm... from what you told about some ssh.so and so on... I'm really lost on your issue - sorry! Simmi: Anyways, at least for me, it's busted and I have no idea on Linux - still an M$ girl amette: *g* Simmi: So, I hope someone will pick this up when they have time. amette: well, it could be a 32/64bit issue for sure - as those libs are in different places on a 64bit system... that's really something that lph should be capable of answering rather easily, I guess as he built TRIM -: Simmi thinks amette had too many drinkies amette: hehe, nope, not lately ;) ***: SvenAERTS has quit IRC ()
lphuberdeau has quit IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) -: Simmi dreams of the old days of CPM and Digital PDP45's running RKMNSJ-11 twas much easier back then. amette: I doubt so - or did they have retarted GUIs like windoze does? ;)
s/ted/ded Simmi: Um, nope, we had simple tools back then. A DataDynamics-390 was a mechanical teletype operating at the blistering speed of 100baud full duplex. PS|bot: SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15252 /trunk/lib/filegals/filegallib.php: [FIX]fgal: fix remove pod files Simmi: Oh, and paper tape to input programs with.
oops, mistake 110baud
- 10% faster - makes all the difference PS|bot: SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15253 /trunk/tiki-list_file_gallery.php: notice ***: SvenAERTS has joined #tikiwiki amette: wow, that sounds like good times - the times in which people voluntarily chose telnet, cause it has to transfer less over the wire... ;)
s/telnet/minicom :P -: Simmi thinks to self Telnet?? Telnet was not invented back then. amette: yeah, and minicom is a rather new program for serial connections, too... but sadly I'm too young for that, you know? ;) Simmi: mid 70's
I'm wearing well. amette: :) ***: SvenAERTS has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
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SvenAERTS has joined #tikiwiki -: snarlydwarf misses z80 assembly language, but pretends that smarty is the same thing. amette: ROFL :D sylvieg: did somebody try the zend_search_lucene ? we could put it in tikiwiki...
we can even overwrite the permission on luicene with our permission..
http://framework.zend.com/manual/en/zend.search.lucene.html
:P lphuberdeau: saw a demo of it... works, but not quite google sylvieg: yes google uses some natural language knowledge - like thesausus....
lucene not lphuberdeau: certainly better than what we have or what mysql does sylvieg: yeh - and it seems easy to implement
http://www.phpriot.com/articles/zend-search-lucene lphuberdeau: only the indexing part could be annoying sylvieg: very simple
yes but you can index in real time lphuberdeau: you still need to extract the text from PDF and such... won't do it for you sylvieg: you need a handler .... it is not the term - but seesm very easy lphuberdeau: however, it means we bundle the zend framework... there is probably more stuff we can use from it, no doubt
it's not meant to be broken down as there are dependencies between packages sylvieg: - yes..... :P
is there many cms out there witten with zend lphuberdeau: I don't think so
zend arrived after the big CMS wave... not so many new projects anymore
it's mostly used for custom app development
I think we could use the Zend_Auth parts of it to clean up our auth process among other things ***: Lucymoz has joined #tikiwiki sylvieg: it is very seducing.... lphuberdeau: we have a lot of legacy, can't hope it will all go away, but we can clean up piece by piece sylvieg: zend_mail can be a good candidate too lphuberdeau: very clean, yes ***: SvenAERTS has quit IRC ()
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lizi has joined #tikiwiki lizi: Hi everyone
hmmm chiba's not around :'(