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liziHi. Anybody knows how the moduleflip works ? [01:22]
chibaguyHi lizi. Sure, you click the icon and it closes, click it again and it opens. Easy. ;-) [01:26]
liziHi chibaguy
you know I am working on a theme
which I based on ohia
(and it looks awesome already :D ) 		[01:26]
chibaguyyep [01:26]
liziexcept it seems I broke this feature in an aerly stage (somehow)
I want to restore it
It doesn't seem to be a problem within the css 		[01:27]
chibaguyDid you modify the module template? [01:27]
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lizimodule template ?
I modified slightly one tpl 		[01:28]
chibaguymodule.tpl
? 		[01:28]
lizinope [01:28]
chibaguyWhen you say broke, what happens? Nothing when you click the icon? [01:29]
lizithe icon doesn't actually appear
also, i like it this way
I don't want to click on an icon, i want to click on the title itself
(to flip the module)
(I mean the box/div that contains the title) 		[01:30]
chibaguyWell, in Ohia the icon appearing is controlled by .box:hover in the css file. [01:32]
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chibaguy(I used to use the module titles for flipping but decided to conform and use the icon since it gave a visual clue that flipping was possible.) [01:33]
liziyes I know, mine is the original code [01:34]
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chibaguyHave a look at the Simple theme files. Simple uses the module title for flipping.
(or even use the files, as needed) 		[01:34]
liziyou said ohia has a custom module.tpl to display that icon ?
coz' i don't have it :D 		[01:38]
chibaguyNo, it uses the default module.tpl. [01:39]
lizihmm i wondered what screwed up then
hey you know where i can upload an image and not register ?
I want to show you what has been done
k. found one :D 		[01:47]
http://www.imagehosting.gr/show.php/304127_Screenshot.jpg [01:55]
chibaguyooh, nice! [01:56]
liziHad to remove some stuff... the server is loaded with torrents, and the webserver isn't protected :D
once somebosy discovered it.... had 200 guys 24/7 leeching stuff through http :P 		[01:56]
PS|botSVN: Commit by chibaguy :: r 15272 /mods/trunk/themes/Snow/theme/templates/styles/snow/tiki-top_bar.tpl: [FIX] Correct file replaces 1.9.3 version - How that I got there I have no idea. [01:57]
liziI have to mod the tpls to have the TW logo on the top, though that's easy
anway, glad to see you like it (it kinda looks like neat, and you said you didn't like it :D ) 		[01:58]
chibaguyWell, this isn't as cluttered looking as neat, and a lot of what I don't like about neat is in the css and template files, not necessarily visible on the web page. [02:00]
lizialso I kinda screwed up the text color in the menus, it's meant to be darker ( and it was at some point :D )
lol, so it's the code you don't like, not the theme :D 		[02:00]
chibaguy(when you use a menu other than the default, the page won't be spread so wide.)
well, both 		[02:01]
lizihaha [02:01]
chibaguybut like I said, yours looks a lot better (more modern and cleaner, etc.) than neat. [02:01]
lizihmmm I just realize as well some of my boxes dont look like boxes anymore :(
(the OK, submit, etc type)
must have happened when i changed the onclick color
bah 		[02:03]
chibaguybuttons should look like buttons, for sure [02:04]
liziMy bf says it always happens
correct one bug and many more appear out of nowhere
(He's the one who got me into all of this foss stuff)
I used to think computers crashed from time to time before.
now, i also think they can be useful :D 		[02:04]
chibaguyyeah, for me it's a creative outlet. I've always liked drawing, designing, figuring things out, etc. [02:10]
liziwell
I just installed the ohia theme i started working on
and the flipmenu doesn't work
SO
it's not my fault
yay !
is this a feature i have to install ?
(activate) 		[02:15]
chibaguyThere is a configuration option, yes. [02:17]
lizi.. where ?
chibichan 		[02:19]
chibaguyon tiki-admin.php?page=look, under the "general layout" tab
btw, chibichan sounds like what old ladies name their lapdogs. (chibi means small)
chiba actually means 1000 leaves. 		[02:20]
lizichibi means litle
in a cute way
coming from me anyway :D 		[02:22]
chibaguyok, thanks. [02:22]
lizijust forget about old ladies and their damn dogs :D [02:22]
chibaguynot easy. it's a powerful image. ;-) [02:23]
liziyou are traumatizing me you know. I'll be an old lady one day.
But I'll have cats. loads of cats
muahahaha 		[02:23]
chibaguyuh oh . . . Grandma Pugga
ever see that on snl? 		[02:25]
liziNope.
I'm not american btw 		[02:26]
chibaguyoh, my bad assumption [02:26]
lizino pb :P [02:27]
chibaguywhere are you, if I may ask? [02:27]
liziI can't see the option
England :D 		[02:27]
chibaguyah [02:27]
lizido you know what it's called? could it be that I am running 2.1 ? [02:27]
chibaguyOh, sorry, I gave you old info. It moved, just a sec...
tiki-admin.php?page=module 		[02:28]
liziYeah, got it ! [02:30]
chibaguyOn Saturday Night Live, they did a sketch in which Grandma Pugga is granny with a whole bunch of cats, and there is fur everywhere, looks like she's snowed in. Grandson and girlfriend come over to eat and they're straining their bites through the fur, etc. Gross and funny.
Please don't go that far off the edge. ;-) 		[02:32]
liziok. maybe. only coz' it's you :D [02:33]
chibaguyphew [02:33]
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PS|botSVN: Commit by chibaguy :: r 15273 /mods/trunk/themes/tikipedia/theme_details-tikipedia.txt: [KIL] Out-of-date and unneeded file removed.
SVN: Commit by chibaguy :: r 15274 /mods/trunk/themes/Snow/theme/styles/snow.css: [FIX] Pagetitle style updated with 2.2 changes. 		[02:50]
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leons007Hi everyone. Anyone has a link with instructions on how to upgrade from 2.0 to 2.2? [04:22]
chibaguyleons007, there's an upgrade package that just contains the changed files. These need to replace the older ones, so you can install (ftp or copy) them onto your existing installation. And run tiki-install.php. [04:24]
leons007thanks. do I have to run tiki-install.php?
I am worried that it will "default" some of the settings that I was so happy about for my final balance 		[04:25]
chibaguythe upgrade script shouldn't touch your settings or content.
But you should backup your db just as a precaution. 		[04:26]
leons007thanks chibaguy
I'll give it a shot 		[04:31]
chibaguyok [04:34]
On another topic: Hmm, "Find" form has sprouted a bunch of new CSS classes. Is this really necessary? Now the input submit is by itelf in a div that has two classes? I wonder what layout/style problem made this necessary. [04:42]
Oh, I guess it's not new. I just didn't come across them earlier.
Apparently the classes are in anticipation of a need, came with the conversion from table layout of the find form. 		[04:47]
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But while I'm ranting, I wonder why a search form looks like: Find [________] [Find] -- (label, text input, button) [05:09]
leons007HI chibaguy
still there? I am now on the upgrade page and it says: "Update database using script: ". I had tw 2.0, the options it gives me are:
tiki-secdb_2.0
tiki-secdb_2.1
tiki-secdb2.2
I don't want to screw up this 2.0 -> 2.2 upgrade... Any advice on what script I should choose if any?
or should I just "Lock Installer and enter Tiki"? 		[05:13]
PS|botSVN: Commit by chibaguy :: r 15275 /trunk/templates/find.tpl: [FIX] Redundancy of terms eliminated and now consistent with main search form. [05:16]
chibaguyHmm, let me try to find some info.... [05:17]
leons007ok [05:20]
chibaguyI think just lock installer and enter Tiki.
If you experience any problems, you can always run the installer script again.
(I mean run it the first time.)
Maybe there aren't db changes from 2.0 to 2.2. 		[05:20]
leons007release notes said that one doesn't need to upgrade db, but it confused me somewhat...
everything looks ok, except that size of headings of my pages became small for some reason... 		[05:23]
chibaguyah, I see (looking at the install page), the secdb options I think are for something else.
Yeah, there's a change in the page title code.
Check the "breadcrumbs" option on the Look & Feel admin page.
You may need to turn it off or on or set the location to none, etc.
Also, be sure to clear your caches. 		[05:25]
leons007caches under admin?
or in my browser 		[05:27]
chibaguyUnder admin [05:27]
leons007and how do I know whether my installation went through - is there some feature that is obviously fixed / introduced in 2.2? [05:28]
chibaguyThe version number is displayed on the Admin > General page. [05:29]
leons007yep, 2.2 - thanks... I don't have breadcrumbs turned on... And I was using my own .css I wonder what happened there with the size of page heading for me... [05:32]
chibaguyUh, the class changed, maybe from h1.pagetitle a to h1 a.pagetitle -- something like that. [05:35]
leons007forgive my ignorance... where do I fix that then? [05:36]
chibaguyIf you use this, you're covered: h1.pagetitle a,
h1.pagetitle a:visited,
h1.pagetitle a:hover,
a.pagetitle,
a.pagetitle:visited,
a.pagetitle:hover
In your theme's stylesheet. 		[05:36]
leons007the odd thing is that if I edit page and say "preview" it looks fine, but if I save it, the heading goes down in size... I'll do the diff on my .css to see what I've done - I don't remeber anymore [05:37]
chibaguyApparently the class is different in the preview. I didn't check that. [05:38]
leons007hmm... I didn't modify anything in the .css actually - I just added a few changes for .tpl
may be that's where the diff is... 		[05:46]
chibaguytiki-showpage.tpl changed from 2.0 to 2.2, and this may affect the appearance in themes that aren't modified accordingly (in their css file). [05:49]
PS|botSVN: Commit by chibaguy :: r 15276 /mods/trunk/themes/ (17 files in 17 dirs): [ENH] findtable classes added; input made inline, bottom margin added. [05:51]
chibaguyer, tiki-show_page.tpl [05:51]
leons007yep - that was it... tiki-show_page.tpl - I made a change there (may be not the best place) to move those (to me irritating) icons of "print", "edit" etc. from the top of the page to the bottom
I'll need to merge my change with the change that happened between 2.0 -> 2.2
when I am more awake :) 		[05:57]
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leons007thanks a lot chibaguy for your help! [05:58]
chibaguysure
Do you use windows?
Windows?
If so, I like Winmerge, for that kind of job. 		[06:05]
PS|botSVN: Commit by chibaguy :: r 15277 /mods/trunk/themes/ (15 files in 15 dirs): [ENH] Improved formatting for findtable classes in CSS files - no code changes. [06:09]
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PS|botSVN: Commit by chibaguy :: r 15278 /mods/trunk/themes/ (11 files in 11 dirs): [KIL] Deprecated findtable classes removed. [07:11]
chibaguyHeh, is KIL just for whole files, or for parts? [07:12]
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chibaguyIt's kinda strange that every row in the table of users on tiki-list_users.php had tds that are class="odd". [07:36]
lizigotta go [07:38]
chibaguycya [07:38]
lizicya Mr. 1000 leaves [07:38]
chibaguy:-) [07:38]
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grobda24Hello. Where do I update users permissions ? [11:58]
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grobda24Found it. why is everything turned off by default for admin ? [12:04]
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sylviegtiki_p_admin on = all perms are on [12:22]
ricks99_sylvieg: i figured out the listing for tracker fields when creating new fields. now will show the droplist in ABC order :) [12:24]
sylviegcool [12:25]
ricks99_tx to your {sortlinks} pointer [12:26]
grobda24sylvieg, too late, I just did a lot of clicking. But thanks. [12:39]
PS|botSVN: Commit by ricks99 :: r 15281 /trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_tracker.php: [FIX]correctly parse tracker description, if option is enabled.
SVN: Commit by ricks99 :: r 15282 /trunk/templates/tiki-listpages_content.tpl: [FIX]fix validation. check no records found for empty find + initial 		[12:49]
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sylviegricks99_:
?
you last commit on the clear find is not correct because you loose the sort value 		[13:27]
ricks99_y. my users are looking for a way to "reset" everyhing back to the default [13:29]
sylviegso the clear needs not to be in the find box but outside [13:29]
ricks99_im getting feedback such as "how do i get back to the initial page listing? I want to clear all filters/sorts/initials/etc [13:29]
sylviegI agree - it was the aim og the link of title usually - show be more explicit
but in the find box I do not agree
or you need to keep the sort value 		[13:30]
ricks99_y,but my users aren't 'getting it' -- thy dont undertsand why there is a link to the page that they're already on.
i, personally, have never understood why to have a link to a page that you are already viewing? seems odd (to me, anyway) 		[13:31]
sylviegand why the reset is only on the find... [13:32]
ricks99_currently, the only way to "unfind" is to do a new find with null value. very counterintuitive [13:33]
sylviegI think - the best will to have a icon near the title - like ... default url or something like this - it can be useful also when you want to copy paste the url
if I select an initial ... I have no reset button... 		[13:34]
ricks99_initial is not the same as a filter [13:36]
sylviegif I select a langauge I have no reset button too... [13:36]
ricks99_but now at least, the user knows they are looking at only a partial list
consider: http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-listpages.php?find=foo&lang=&maxRecords=200&initial=d
how do i get back to the "full list" of pages?
my users think that clicking ALL should show "ALL" pages. but it does not 		[13:36]
sylviegI agree about the need of this feature - but your implemantation ... does not convince me' [13:37]
ricks99_my users think that doing new find with NULL should show all pages. but it does not [13:37]
sylviegimage I select lang, categ, nb rows, initial, sort but nothing in find ... I have no button [13:38]
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ricks99_the y, i guess all other conditions shoudl b considered. my issue is that there is no feedback telling users 1. their results are filtered and 2. how to "unfilter" their results
telling users to create a new find with NULL is not userfriendly or intuitive
just my $0.02 US (which is now only worth $0.005 ) 		[13:40]
sylviegI agree - just the implementation taht is not good [13:43]
ricks99_im sure u can improve. this was just my initial effort. [13:44]
sylviegif it was already - I will have done it already...
s/already/easy 		[13:45]
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YoniHi all [13:56]
I see that the 2.2 is out. while i do a svn update tw->admin-> preferences still says 2.02b [14:05]
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lphuberdeau_versions in svn don't necessarily match... should say 2.3b in fact [14:21]
Yoniahhh Hello Philippe. So how to update ? (a new thing to learn ?) [14:22]
lphuberdeau_if you want the extact version that was released from svn... svn switch https://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tikiwiki/tags/2.2
but svn up on branches/2.0 will give you something at least as recent as what was released 		[14:22]
sylviegYoni: did you log-out and clear the cache? [14:23]
YoniHi Sylvie, logout yes clear the chache no... trying now
Sylvie no ggod... i'm trying the switch 		[14:23]
sylvieg(I am seing 2.2 svn on tw2 svn) [14:25]
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sylviegdid somebody use the google entreprise search with a tiki site - wondering if you can use the perm checking from tw in google?
they have a out of the box conenction with filenet, sharepoint .... the big one but not with tikiwiki 		[14:29]
Yonisvn switch worked tks [14:32]
sylvieghmm - there have a SAML interface for access control [14:34]
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YoniIf i may... Everytime i update i found that there is a problem with banners and time (option : "Show the banner only in this hours" messing with tinezone)
Same goes for forums and avatars 		[14:44]
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PS|botSVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15284 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX]fgal: add also the filename in the fulltext index
SVN: Commit by Jyhem :: r 15285 /trunk/ (36 files in 36 dirs): [UI] Button explains what happens more precisely and fix fr/language 		[15:24]
SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15286 /trunk/lib/searchlib.php: [FIX]fgal: add also the filename in the fulltext index [15:34]
SVN: Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 15287 /branches/experimental/jitfilter/: [BRANCH] Creation, trunk 0 to 15286 [15:41]
Jyhemactually, fr/language.php was not broken. My bad [15:46]
PS|botSVN: Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 15288 /branches/experimental/jitfilter/lib/core/ (10 files in 4 dirs): [NEW] Base for JitFiltering... [15:52]
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PS|botSVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15289 /trunk/lib/search/refresh-functions.php: notice [15:55]
SEWilco2Jyhem: What's "My bad" in French? :-) [15:57]
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PS|botSVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15290 /trunk/lib/searchlib.php: [FIX]search: to be able to return more than one matching file in a fgal when checking object perms on mysql search [17:24]
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NefariousCHello everybody! Are you having a great day? [17:33]
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JyhemSEWilco2: My bad: Autant pour moi
but "désolé" is more common 		[17:53]
SEWilco2Jyhem: My bad feels desolate indeed. [17:54]
Jyhemdoes it ? I just put it there because I see it rather often in these contexts. Plus, my mistake made it look like my friend pkdille made the mistake, which was unfair, he said :) [17:59]
grobda24How do I make the text of an article appear on the list of articles page, rather than just the headline ? [18:01]
ricks99_dont think you can (easily). the template shows only the title & heading. u have to click READ MORE to read the full article
see docs: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Article%20User#Articles_Home 		[18:06]
grobda24ricks99_, ah, thanks. I can put some text in the heading field, What template are you looking at ? [18:08]
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SEWilco2grobda24: There is no 'Article text' option on List Articles section of tiki-admin.php?page=cms [18:20]
ricks99_tiki-view_articles.tpl [18:22]
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NefariousCOops. Small fire in kitchen. [19:40]
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snarlydwarfwhy do i have users that create a .forward and then complain they don't get mail anymore? [20:17]
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NefariousCUsers are stupid. If only we could get rid of the users, so many problems would go away.... [20:37]
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dthackerpolom [20:41]
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SEWilco2NefariousC: Did you tell us about the kitchen fire before or after putting it out? Or are you still watching it? [21:18]
NefariousCAfter (:
Safety First! 		[21:18]
SEWilco2SEWilco2 cancels Friday night Nefarious Roast [21:19]
dthackermuch damage? [21:19]
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dthackerdthacker is looking for a page on dev.tw.o that has a discussion of database compatibility [21:21]
NefariousCNah (:
Mostly just stuff which was under the stove element caught fire. 		[21:23]
dthackerNo damage is good. [21:23]
NefariousCHehehe. While I was boiling water.
(Mostly I think it's funny that I made a fire while boiling water <: ) 		[21:23]
dthackerThat could be considered an epic fail [21:24]
NefariousCI would go so far as to call it a minor fail (; [21:25]
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NefariousCSmoke detectors didn't go off.. fire extinguishers weren't deployed.. etc.. etc.. [21:25]
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NefariousC(Which is good! I *have* had to put out a fire with a fire extinguisher; and it leaves a dusty coat of crap on everything for months thereafter) [21:25]
SEWilco2A bachelor would call it a minor soup. [21:26]
dthackeragreed. epic would have required deployment of equipment and manpower. [21:26]
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SEWilco2A TikiWiki kitchen would have only required configuration of omitted safety options, configuration of same, and adding content on stove.
Of course, you already had content of water on the stove, so you were well prepared. 		[21:27]
NefariousCHeh heh heh. [21:29]
SEWilco2Grr. "Multimedia" feature is useless in 2.1 because the required "url" parameter becomes "u<x>rl". [21:29]
dthackerlovely bug, that [21:30]
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dthackeroff to home. later tikians. [21:32]
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SEWilco2Multimedia player unusable, XSPF player isn't putting anything on the page... Is any MP3 player functional? [21:58]
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sylvieglphuberdeau_: :-) I like your answer... [22:29]
lphuberdeau_the attachment you mean? :) [22:29]
sylviegI do not remember much..
... the question - was it working? 		[22:30]
lphuberdeau_well, worked for me, otherwise that would be a problem
if I remember correctly, the big issue is that the result google provides you back is an URL... so if you want to do anything with it in relation to tiki, you need to figure out what it points to... and that's mostly brittle 		[22:31]
sylvieg.. so I know there was the google summer code with sphynx -.. what mozilla decided to have?
.. I read in the doc that it can be an xml stuff 		[22:32]
lphuberdeau_may be, I didn't follow-up [22:32]
sylviegnkoth3: ??????????? [22:32]
lphuberdeau_yeah, but pointing to the resource is an url
basically, the code I attached does the XML parsing stuff and tries to find the right tiki object 		[22:33]
sylvieg.. perhaps I did not go enough deep [22:33]
lphuberdeau_goal was mostly to find the tags we knew about it and then find related elements
kind of worked on my dataset, but was early in the SUMO project, so the dataset was small 		[22:33]
sylviegwill have a look - even if my customer that is pissed off mysql search - wants an opensource solution - and ready to invest - if it is going somewhere..
thx lph 		[22:34]
lphuberdeau_I should hear more about sphinx in two weeks from now [22:37]
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sylviegalexandre sent me all the files
are you in charge to commit back to tw?
.. my problem with sphynx is that it is only a batch
indexation 		[22:37]
lphuberdeau_who? about what? [22:38]
sylviegpeople do not like that [22:38]
nkoth3hi [22:38]
sylvieg:-)
nkoth3: what is sumo using for search - finallly 		[22:38]
nkoth3i have now to implement the stuff the student did
which is based on Sphinx 		[22:39]
sylviegimplement? did he finish the job? [22:40]
nkoth3https://wiki.mozilla.org/Support:Search_Implementation
do you want me to put the zip file with his code somewhere?
i can do that 		[22:40]
sylviegI think alexandre gave me all the links
but I am sure it is before bugs fixing
... I do not like the batch indexation in sphynx 		[22:42]
nkoth3yeah, iwe haven't start bug fixing et
yet 		[22:42]
sylvieg- I am wondering if - if I spend sometimes - I must investigate the lucene/ zend solution
i like lucene..
but every information you have nelson on the search - I can do perhaps something - one of my old customer is happy with tw - but not the search..
and they want everything committed back to tw 		[22:43]
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sylviegsylvieg is dreaming about her old job in France - it was to do a natural language interface to lucen or other search engines - but nothing was open source.. [22:50]
NefariousCNefariousC has no love for lucene d: [22:54]
sylviegwhy?
sylvieg needs to tell never test sphynx 		[22:56]
SEWilco2"Multimedia" u<x>rl workaround: URL rewrite in .htaccess to change "multiplayer.swf?hack=" to "multiplayer.swf?url=". :-( [22:58]
sylviegthe only reproahI know about lucene - is that the community is so actuive
without the typo...
I thought the <x> was fixed... whisch release? 		[22:58]
SEWilco2sylvieg: Without the "reproahI" or "actuive" typo?
sylvieg: 2.1. 		[22:59]
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sylviegthe only reproach is that it is not so active... [23:00]
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NefariousC(Maybe lucene is better now? When I used it, when the index got corrupt, it took a couple days to reindex; and it took a bunch of arguing and hoop jumping to index what we wanted in the first place..) [23:02]
sylviegok.. [23:04]
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sylviegbut the problem to know what to index and with what weight will be the same with every se [23:06]
nkoth3i've got to run...
so bbl 		[23:10]
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lphuberdeau_google does not have that problem ;) [23:13]
NefariousCThat's what happens when you throw enough smart people at a problem <: [23:16]
SEWilco2... at a problem which the smart people can solve well enough. [23:25]
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PS|botSVN: Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 15293 /branches/experimental/jitfilter/ (12 files in 6 dirs): [MOD] Moving filtering to Jit [23:35]
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