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ho is netineo going ?
how ***: chibaguy has joined #tikiwiki
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sry lu i was on the phone... :) Netineo is going very well (under homelook) tks luciash: homelook ? -: luciash thinks yonixxx is on the phone again :) ***: gizwill has joined #tikiwiki
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yo yoni! :D
boker tov :) chibaguy: hi amette. I'm sure you heard this already, but too bad you couldn't be at tikifest. amette: hi chiba, yeah, I feel the same - but still nice to hear, thanks :)
I hope we will have some other occasion to meet! chibaguy: Definitely. amette: :) luciash: hi bro :) amette: hey ho, bro :) luciash: chibaguy: did u uploaded the flvs somewhere too in the end ? chibaguy: luciash, no, not yet. luciash: how to avoid translation changes to wrong language ?
someone keeps changing Download,cs which should be set to Czech to Russian etc.
amette: btw, when ohertel moved tw.o site some czech characters got broken too ;) → http://tikiwiki.org/Download%2Ccs amette: hmmm... does that make me feel better or worse now.. can't really decide.. ;) luciash: *g* ***: FrankP_german has joined #tikiwiki
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any workaround ideas ? amette: use square brackets? luciash: also "((doc:Installation|instalačních pokynů))" this doesn't work properly... :-/ shows only "Installation" on the link amette: isn't that correct? or what should it show?
wow... import of devtwo MySQL fails because it hits the default max_allowed_packet size... wth is on dev.tw.o that is bigger than a Meg? luciash: it should show "instalačních pokynů" on the link amette: ah, right, that you mean... ***: marclaporte has quit IRC (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) luciash: amette: surprisingly ~np~ ~/np~ around the description worked :-p amette: hmmm.... it's not character set for recognizing wiki-links, I suppose? That should be only for the pagename itself
LOL - ok :P yonixxx: Boum... i went to eat luciash: see http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page_ref_id=519&bl=n yonixxx: yo Amette luciash: wb yoni amette: yo yoni :) yonixxx: i'm still here after 5secondes.. this is what i call a progres ! amette: LOL :P ***: jerkface03 has quit IRC (Connection timed out) yonixxx: To answer you Lu http://www.homelook.net (project of personnal security webcam). ***: Caarrie|sleeping is now known as Caarrie amette: check out http://devtwo.amette.eu
to our style-guys: the logo up there is missing again...
... on doc.tw.o it was the same - it was in styles/mittwoch/img/ and mittwoch is not in SVN...
... so I manually created the directory and copied the image there..
.. you guys got any idea how to make that a bit more convenient (and safer for upgrades)?
smoke break here.. luciash: put it in db file gallery ?
yonixxx: ah, that homelook :)
amette: it's in wiki_up: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/img/wiki_up/devtwologo.png amette: ah, this time in wiki_up, ok :P
I'd like file gallery the most, yes... dump the DB and you got no problem whatsoever... -: amette goes fetching wiki_up from the current dev.tw.o luciash: depends if the files/images are stored in db or not you should copy files/ too amette: I'm getting the complete public_html from dev.tw.o, but I copy over stuff selectively (did the same on doc.tw.o)... yonixxx: :) there is another homelook ? :D amette: ... the old install is a mess - I start from clean SVN-checkouts luciash: amette: it would be great if it worked flawlessly to store in db... problem with storing large files/images in db is capacity/performance/corruption then :( PS|bot: SVN: Commit by chibaguy :: r 15730 /trunk/styles/transitions/1.9to2.2.css: [FIX] typo luciash: yonixxx: none i know of ;) yonixxx: lol
so it is THE homelook, not that homelook. :D :D :D amette: luciash: hmmm... yeah, that sucks.. :( ***: aoirthoir has joined #tikiwiki luciash: yonixxx: it's *that* homelook i've heard about ;) yonixxx: a ok :)
where luciash: yonixxx: on da TikiFest by nelson or pascal, i don't remember exactly yonixxx: :)
logical then luciash: nice page btw, is it tiki ? yonixxx: yes luciash: very kewl chibaguy: "The MacArthur Foundation just released a study suggesting that, not surprisingly, given the integration of social media into business and modern culture, the time kids spend with so-called new media, is generally neither wasted nor particularly harmful." -: amette loves the MacArthur Foundation ;) chibaguy: "...Their participation is giving them the technological skills and literacy they need to succeed in the contemporary world. They$B!G(Bre learning how to get along with others, how to manage a public identity, how to create a home page." luciash: yonixxx: the code doesn't look like that though... drupal ? chibaguy: http://education.zdnet.com/?p=1968 ***: Caarrie is now known as Caarrie|away yonixxx: ha... shit orry this is drupal ! :D :D :D my.homelook.net is tiki luciash: yonixxx: oh, ah, i was already wondering :-p
lot of customization i see :) you renamed tiki-*.php to main-*.php, right ? :) yonixxx: yes ***: chibaguy is now known as chibaguy_away amette: luciash: could you please test how "first load performance" is now on doctwo.amette.eu ? ***: Amorphous has quit IRC ("shutdown") luciash: amette: sure
cca 5 seconds amette: hmmm...
ok, it is a bit faster here and basically I think that it should be better than before... there is a xen-bug that I worked around now..
... well, ok, let's see - thanks! luciash: it's definitely better than before ! amette: ah, ok, great :)
wiki_up is there now on devtwo, too...
I should enable logins now, I think... ***: grobda24 has joined #tikiwiki luciash: seems all pages now load/reload around 5 seconds now amette: huh, what?
fuck :P luciash: yep :-p
but the first impression is better :D
it was something about 10 seconds or more before to load first amette: ok, that counts - you can never make a first impression again ;P
wow, that bad for you? :O
that sucks for sure
but hmm, for me all the pages afterwards are lightning fast again...
also devtwo.amette.eu trackers are damn fast...
I wonder how it can be so different for you... *scratchinghead* luciash: e.g. this http://doctwo.amette.eu/tiki-index.php?page=Installation loads... page appears after 3-4 seconds and finishes loading at 5-6 seconds ***: aoirthoir has quit IRC (Excess Flood) luciash: either reload or just clicking the Installation link from menu ***: aoirthoir has joined #tikiwiki amette: hmmm, true... it keeps loading something after the page is there... lemme see...
but in FF it loads faaaast for me... luciash: faaaaaast doesn't sound too fast ;)
it sounds more like slooooow :-p amette: ... it fetches all the images from wiki_up, etc. when it keeps loading - but they are here in about a second or so.. I can't read the output of LiveHTTPHeaders running by..
ROFL - I mean fst ;) luciash: :D amette: 1,5 secs on reload - a little over 2 secs after emptying FF-cache
and FF never shows a blank page - like the HTML is already very quickly there and FF is only waiting for the images
2 secs in Konq - 2,5 secs after emptying cache ***: Amorphous has joined #tikiwiki luciash: maybe you have it set only for you :-p amette: we could put img/wiki_up/ in a RAM-disk :)
hmmm, nope ;) luciash: supacool :) amette: :) luciash: hrm -: luciash scratches his head luciash: can i easily move mysql db from classic to mysqli ? amette: I wonder, if it is your connection/route to the server... luciash: i have on one server mysql classic and i want to move it to mysqli one amette: yeah, no problem - mysql/i is only the connector afaik..
actually I did just that with dev/doc ;) luciash: ok, i believe you bro
might be my route, but then why before i had that feeling of eaccelerator then ?
amette: maybe it's because i'm listening to a last.fm stream now :-p
LOL amette: hehe ;)
eaccelerator shouldn't purge it's cache - that you mentioned it made me think of that xen-bug in the first place...
... network connections are difficult to establish because of TCP checksumming failing...
... once the connection is there, it works faster..
... then you wait a bit until your connection times out and you get the same effect again, when building up the connection. luciash: didn't change much when i stopped my last.fm stream
maybe it's 4 seconds now amette: but - how are load times for tikiwiki.org for you?
it's in the same data-center - so we can get a good comparison there for narrowing the problem luciash: doc.tw.o ? amette: community workspace luciash: ok
http://tikiwiki.org/InstallTiki cca 10 secs amette: 3 secs for me :P luciash: http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php 11 - 12 secs amette: also 3 secs for me luciash: lucky guy amette: heh
what I don't get is, why you got sooooo muuuuch loooonger load-times on tw.o ...
... should be in the same relation as before...
... the server of tw.o can't be the bottleneck as it comes so fast to me.
but well - at least I would say now that it's more your connection than my server-setup that makes it slow for you luciash: well, now i tried new instance of FF and it was about 6 seconds amette: aaaah :) luciash: doctwo.amette.eu 3 secs
3-4 amette: better :)
now I wonder, if it will go down to 6 secs as well, when the load starts to hit the server...
... but well, that has to be tuned afterwards when we see the effects.
hmmm, I can't add doctwo.amette.eu to the intertiki allowed hosts on tw.o - anyone got an idea?
ah, the Key needs to be unique... chibaguy_away: doctwo.amette.eu -- about 3 secs for page to start loading, about 14 sec for complete home page, here. amette: 14 secs?!? Eat my shorts!! :( chibaguy_away: (opera, adsl line) amette: How does tw.o workspace compare to that? chibaguy_away: tw.o workspace? amette: yup chibaguy_away: what's the url? amette: ehm, like I mean: tw.o - Community Workspace chibaguy_away: ah amette: http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php I mean
yeah :) chibaguy_away: about 16 secs total. luciash: wow ***: chibaguy_away is now known as chibaguy -: luciash feels much better now ;) chibaguy: Seems slower than usual. Maybe some local line conditions right now. amette: hmm, ok, those two seconds are what tw.o is slower than doctwo.amette.eu - the rest is latency from europe to japan... chibaguy: sounds right. amette: ... we need a load-balancer that forwards you to your local tw.o mirror and MySQL-replication over continents with dedicated network connections :P chibaguy: :-) amette: I'd like to have a test from america now :)
lphuberdeau sylvieg : ping :)
and, hmm... I now updated the intertiki-key directly in the database as I don't have doc.tw.o admin login... still doesn't work "Invalid Server Key", when trying to log in
anyone here got admin-login for the doc.tw.o tiki? chibaguy: only intertiki for me luciash: amette: me, i'll quickly check
amette: what you need ?
amette: see jabber amette: ok, thanks ***: marclaporte has joined #tikiwiki
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chibaguy has joined #tikiwiki amette: marclaporte: could you log in as "admin" on doctwo.amette.eu and change the intertiki-key?
for details see irc-logs ***: Woodzy has quit IRC (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) yonixxx: bye all
nice to see you :) amette: bye yoni :) marclaporte: amette: : you have password, no? amette: ah, I have the admin login for dev.tw.o
marclaporte: only for accessing the SSH of doc.tw.o - not for the tiki itself
I tried setting the new value in the database directly, but that didn't help ***: yonixxx has quit IRC ("Leaving") amette: http://devtwo.amette.eu is fixed now with InterTiki
all: please test
marclaporte: that charset-bug is ok for me... :-/
luciash: do you have a charset-bug on doctwo.am.eu in the upper right corner in "Search for..." luciash: amette: yes amette: dang...
I don't have it here - either with Konq nor with FF... :-/ luciash: interestingly after reload it's gone amette: logins on doctwo.am.eu fixed
hmmm.... weird... -: marclaporte confirms both sites are ok for my login via InterTiki luciash: amette: the encoding problem is gone ! great :)
seems i have nomore application menu there though amette: maaagic hands ;) luciash: seems i'm nomore in Admin group there amette: huh? didn't change anything there...
I just wonder why RewriteRules don't work on dev, but they do on doc.. chibaguy: devtwo.amette.eu login works for me, and admin status is ok. :-) amette: kewl :) luciash: amette: i'm on the original doc.tw.o though still... there i see the "Developer Menu" amette: aaah, yes - I don't have to wonder that it won't work, when I'm activating .htaccess on doc, but am testing on dev :P
anyone knows a tracker item with an attachment? I wonder what everything I have to copy over from the old documentroot.. chibaguy: doctwo.amette.eu login works for me, but no admin status :| luciash: chibaguy: same here amette: attachments on devtwo trackers work - seem to be in the DB
hmmm, ok... only thing I messed around with was the InterTiki-key-change directly in DB... marclaporte: amette: : about rw rules on dev and doc, they were heavily changed in htaccess because doc.tw.o/webmail is wiki page not tiki-webmail.php amette: ... I'll replay the database and change the intertiki-key in tiki directly.. stand by marclaporte: amette: thanks for starting clean ***: chibaguy is now known as chibaguy_bath amette: marclaporte: ok, I noticed that too right now - gonna move them over, too
marclaporte: you're more than welcome for starting clean ;) marclaporte: amette: : will send you DNS stuff amette: ok luciash: ok, now amette changes db stuff :) amette: wow - how did you notice? :P luciash: :-p
bbl marclaporte: clean clean clean!
doc.tw.o still has some messy stuff in img/wiki_up
fom when I took over the site way back when amette: oh, ok... what's in there? possible to clean through Wiki-Admin? marclaporte: not really
here is what happened (AFAICT) -: amette listening marclaporte: the site was using multiTiki
so some images were in img/wiki_up/doc.tikiwiki.org/
and some were in img/wiki_up/*
something got confused along the way
not sure when/why amette: hmmm, damn... :-/ marclaporte: but there were some links of both kinds in wiki pages
and no time to clean up
so images were duplicated
There was other mess but I think the rest was all cleanup up amette: sounds a lot like some manual cleaning... or writing a custom script to find out what is linked in the db... marclaporte: yup
but for now, if you take images in img/wiki_up and img/wiki_up/doc.tikiwiki.org/, there won't be broken URLs
which reminds me
we should have a link & image testing thingy amette: yup marclaporte: I am leaving very soon amette: ok, I think I got everything... marclaporte: to tikilunch in Washington and then off to Pais
Paris.
Will be offline for 20 some hours
anything else you need? amette: the DNS is set to 6 hours expiry time... so, if everything looks good for people, then I'll do the DNS-entry soon... so I'll be awake still for about an hour or so when it is propagated around the world... marclaporte: you locked edits on old sites? amette: Not yet
This was first testing round... I will have to migrate the .htaccess still...
... then locking edits, dumping DBs again and replaying them on the new host...
.. then DNS. marclaporte: you da man amette: no, you da man marclaporte: :-) amette: :) marclaporte: new server feels fast amette: that's good to hear!
let'
s see how it will work under load marclaporte: expect trouble in a few places with trackers
and highlighting amette: what's to expect there? ***: andrewdasilva has joined #tikiwiki marclaporte: amette : : http://devtwo.amette.eu/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=1190&highlight=test on old server: I would get memory trouble, when logged in, with &highlight=
...
I just noticed other charset issue: (#396)Tag "Table New" doesn´t work since 1.9.1
MS word apostrophe, like ... character is causing weirdnedd
weirdness amette: hmm, ok, I see it, too marclaporte: got to go
thanks!! amette: alright, have a pleasant trip
you're welcome! ***: chibaguy_bath is now known as chibaguy chibaguy: Have a good trip, marclaporte. And everybody, g'night. :) ***: chibaguy has left amette: hmm, after thinking again... I'll disable logins on the live-sites... removing perms is error-prone and still people might want to change preferences or something...
... by disabling logins the only thing we loose is stats/action-log afaics.
luciash: doctwo.am.eu DB replayed and InterTiki-key changed through Tiki-admin-interface - please retest
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jerkface03 has joined #tikiwiki SEWilco: amette: If you're trying to provide a fast anon-only server, consider a different login-access server can point at the same database.
All: Discuss. amette: SEWilco: I'm working on moving the live-sites to a new server. SEWilco: amette: I thought it was something like that. I'm pointing out another configuration option, particularly if there's another server not suitable for high traffic but suitable for a relatively few editors to access for updating. amette: what do you mean with the "login-access server"? SEWilco: amette: It sounded like you're trying to speed up the server by disabling logins. (Why do I sound like "Clippy"?) amette: ah, nope, disabling logins is for the time it takes for the DNS-change to propagate
so that no one edits stuff on the old server that will get lost then SEWilco: Ah. I see.
I was working only in TW context, not server transition context. -: SEWilco goes back to take another nap amette: :)
hmpf.... that dev.tw.o encoding bug was there before already...
... probably better not touch it. ***: danopia has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
danopia has joined #tikiwiki amette: well, data looks just as broken in both databases - e.g.: potom mrkněte na ((Documentation Templates|příklady))
ah, nope... that is just that my console is missing those characters... good :) luciash: re amette: wb -: amette hates character encoding problems amette: but I'm rather confident now that anything that breaks now, wasn't broken by me :P ***: Caarrie|away is now known as Caarrie luciash: amette: weird → http://doctwo.amette.eu/tiki-index.php?page=Features
re-testing, logged in, still no admin status amette: do you have that on the live site actually? ;) luciash: yep, sure i do
same for gary amette: you're sure you're sure? ;)
if it's saved in the database then I can't think of any reason, why it shouldn't work on doctwo.am.eu... luciash: otherwise i couldn't tell you the Tiki Unique key from InterTiki Admin amette: ... there's no way to give those rights through InterTiki afaik
ah, right - good point - you don't have to test again, I believe you ;)
lemme make a fresh dump from doc.tw.o
dump in progress luciash: i'm in: Registered, Admins, Anonymous, Developers, DevTwoAdmins, DocTwoAdmins, InfoTwoAdmins, Security, ThemesTwoAdmins, TwoEditors
on doc.tw.o
as i see it
"Warning: since this tiki site is in slave mode, all user information you enter manually will be automatically overriden by other site's data, including users permissions"
so it comes from tw.o via InterTiki obviously amette: hmm, groups too??
I got no idea... luciash: yep, groups come from tw.o amette: ... I only know that you can set one group in InterTiki which says which group gets used for intertiki
so then... why did it work for gary and you on devtwo.am.eu and not doctwo ??? luciash: maybe set up the InterTiki wrong at some point ? amette: I only changed the key, nothing else luciash: hrm, no idea amette: but yeah, that's interesting...
... you are not assigned to those groups on doctwo.amette.eu luciash: i just know on doctwo.am.eu i'm not admin anymore ;) amette: well, then we know just as much ;)
the dump on which doctwo.amette.eu is running right now is from 2008-11-16 - should be new enough... weird
ok, replaying two minute old dump
done
now those groups are there for you
*scratchinghead* luciash: uh oh *g* amette: my head will be bleeding soon, if this goes on like that :P luciash: it's a living creature it seems... doing stuff depending on its mood :-p amette: hehe, yeah ;)
ok, but character encodings seem to be right
( my biggest fear in this whole move, believe me ) luciash: looks much better now (including the char encoding)... amette: great luciash: just two things... this is broken still: http://doctwo.amette.eu/tiki-index.php?page=Features
and this is why ? → What's New
what are the commands you use to dump and import the db dump ? amette: mysqldump without any special magic
and what's so special about that features-page? luciash: it's very broken - no stylesheet, ends loading in half amette: yes, I know :)
I mean, what's so special about it, that it does that! ;) luciash: ask me :-p amette: luciash: what's so special about that feature page that it breaks? :P luciash: i think it uses trackerlist amette: trackerlist is enabled in lib/wiki-plugins luciash: it's very special because it's huge too ;) amette: aaah :) luciash: i think you're missing something in the db export/import amette: I fear so, too...
I'm just looking in the database
the page is completely in the db... luciash: i use this: mysqldump --opt ... > *.sql
mysql --default-character-set=utf8 ... < *.sql amette: ho, ho, ho - see the show : http://doctwo.amette.eu/tiki-index.php?page=Features luciash: and this command i had to use once to have correct encoding when switching from latin1 to utf8 mysql: iconv -t UTF-8 -f ISO-8859-1 20070831-backup.sql -o 20070831-backup-utf8.sql amette: character encoding is fixed already luciash: w00t, what was it ? amette: or not fixed, but migrated "just as legacy as it was before"
you said it: "it's a huge page with trackerlist plugin" ;)
PHP's memory_limit of 32M wasn't enough ;) luciash: aye, that's definitely not enough
i'd set 64 or even 128 for *.tw.o sites ;) amette: I'd like to keep it as small as possible - 64M for now
dev.tw.o has 128M (Gentoo default)...
... do we dare to lower it? ;) luciash: i had to use this for dump once too: mysqldump --opt --compatible=mysql40 ... > *.sql amette: lowered it - let's go clicking ;) luciash: but you use mysql 5, right ? amette: yup
still enough here: http://devtwo.amette.eu/tiki-index.php?page=All+Consistency+bugs
three times trackerlist-plugin luciash: now i only wonder why the "What's new" module title gets escaped to "What's new"... (dunno if --complete-insert at mysqldump would help anything)
... but does not in wiki pages content
another weirdness
it's not that bad though ;) amette: hmm, bad enough - might be an indicator for other stuff breaking...
... lemme see... ***: gizwill has quit IRC ("Leaving.") amette: it's correct in the database...
... must be breaking somewhere on the way through apache/browser... ***: Caarrie is now known as Caarrie|away amette: ok, changing the title back and forth also doesn't change anything...
fixed
ok, and everyting still works
that was a n00b's mistake... ;)
magic_quotes_gpc was still "On"
now I wonder what was "upload_max_filesize" on the old host...
ok, 10M on doc.tw.o and no idea on dev.tw.o - will set to 5M
I'd like to have an example of a working umlaut on dev.tw.o - apart from that we seem to be set...
FUCK
The dev.tw.o DB is borked already! :(
compare http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=509&trackerId=5 to http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=2169&trackerId=5
Hmm, basically that doesn't change much - stuff is now just as broken as before - there are good and bad umlauts in the DB... so no reason to stop the migration... but I will think about this more while getting beer and having a shower... bbl ***: Knyght has joined #tikiwiki luciash: amette: cool, that you found out more :)
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and got a plan ;) ***: Caarrie is now known as Caarrie|away
chibaguy has joined #tikiwiki luciash: wb gary :) chibaguy: thanks. luciash
Couldn't sleep so got up early. . . working on updating themes for Tiki3. luciash: great :) -: luciash working on a tiki theme for his wife's music band chibaguy: cool
(about the theme, and about the band :-) ) luciash: got stuck on always full-height + background image in the meanwhile :-p ***: partoftime has quit IRC ("Leaving") luciash: seems this can help: http://www.xs4all.nl/~peterned/examples/csslayout1.html