#tikiwiki 2008-12-02,Tue

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SEWilco2	doc.tw.o missing left menu. Blank space on left but no visible modules there. Hmm. Clicking on "Show/Hide Left Menus" makes a menu appear on the right.	[00:59]
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SEWilco2	Hmm. I see menus on a different page but not on http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Wiki-Syntax+Images	[01:13]
sylvieg	wiki parsing errror	[01:18]
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chibaguy	SEWilco, the doc.tw.o missing side column content (actually was down below the center column a ways) was due to div tag craziness caused by a couple of box tags being around an unordered list item (or two?). This breaks up the <div></div> tag pairs, which affects the div tags of the columns. (I also wondered about that "dropping bomb" icon....) *litecss-based themes are vulnerable (at this point in time) to careless or ignorance-is-bliss use of syntax that cause div tag mismatches.	[08:35]
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relena	hello	[09:03]
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evame	Hello all! Good Morning from Spain i'd like to kown if in tikiwiki exists something about mininews my department need publish small notices but that notices are different to principal news do u understand me? somebody awake? :)	[09:12]
chibaguy	evame, Tikiwiki's news articles can be of different types. One could be mininews. Then you can use the Articles plugin in a wiki page to display only mininews notices, for example.	[09:18]
evame	but i dont want that appear next to the rest news ok i will to do a test	[09:20]
chibaguy	No, the plugin allows you to specify which news articles -- can be distinguished by type, topic or category. See http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Articles for more info.	[09:21]
evame	thank u!!	[09:21]
chibaguy	Sure :-)	[09:21]
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evame	other question i could put my mininews in a module? my mininews must appear go in of a module .. not a link to my mininews	[09:24]
chibaguy	Hmm, I think this can be done, but I'm not sure exactly the way. Normally the Articles-related modules just display the topic/headline, not the news content. But I think a module can be made to show a wiki page content, so such a wiki page could use the Articles plugin to display the news stories, so this would appear in the module. The short answer is 'it can be done.' The longer answer is 'further investigation is needed to discover exactly how.' ;-)	[09:27]
evame	hehe That is the reason that I'm telling you; i need just it	[09:30]
chibaguy	I think the easiest way is to define the mininews article type. Then make a custom module whose data is the Articles plugin with the appropriate parameters to display the only mininews articles. the only -> only the I'm not sure how well this content will work in a module, because of the narrow size. But it's worth trying.	[09:35]
evame	ok i'll try to do sth :) thank very much!	[09:37]
chibaguy	Ideally, a new module should be made that displays the content just as you like it: headline + story intro, or something.... But the custom module approach is pretty useful, too, and can be done immediately (tiki-admin_modules.php).	[09:37]
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MatWho	luciash: I am listening to your lovely CD right now!	[12:40]
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luciash	hey MatWho :) cool :)	[13:12]
MatWho	luciash: how are you luciash: Pauline says hi!	[13:13]
luciash	i'm fine, thanks, just some pre-xmas stress, as usually... how r u ? luciash greets back :)	[13:13]
MatWho	very busy, still trying to get the video from Montreal edited and uploaded, but we have only been home for 2 days and there has been so much to sort out	[13:15]
luciash	clients always need a lot before the end of the accounting year :-/ i see :) nice to be back home, isn't it ?	[13:15]
MatWho	i know and then just as you go on holiday for xmass something bad happens to one of your servers and you spend the whole of Christmas fixing it!! Anyway good luck	[13:16]
luciash	aye :) luckily it didn't happen to me yet :)	[13:17]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by alain_desilets :: r 15866 /trunk/lib/multilingual/ (6 files): Started working on classes for segmenting and aligning bilingual parallel texts.	[13:18]
luciash	MatWho: you know what ? i've realized when i came home the kuler website now requires latest adobe flash :-/ ... they forced me to upgrade to flash 10 :-p when we were at the TikiFest it was still working with 9, iirc at least i think i've been running it on my laptop there too :-p	[13:20]
MatWho	luciash: Is is a problem? kuler is so useful I think the upgrade is worth it. I have just looked at upgrading to Photoshop SC4, how expensive!!! I will try on my mac yes it makes you upgrade!!	[13:22]
luciash	well, it's not problem for me but maybe for some other linux users... i didn't spotted a note about the reason to require latest version on their blog even was just a bit annoyance but i upgraded especially because of its usefulness ;) upgrading Photoshop, might be a problem, true :) maybe upgrade to The GIMP ;)	[13:23]
MatWho	I might have to, I am so familiar with photoshop does the GIMP do Camera RAW files?	[13:26]
luciash	i was just kidding :-p but most probably yes, with some plugin at least i believe it does only major problem with GIMP is still poor support for CMYK afaik	[13:27]
MatWho	I will have a look	[13:27]
luciash	but as webdesigner i don't miss that GIMP + Inkscape is powerful combination, enough for me	[13:27]
MatWho	yes i am totally RGB as well	[13:28]
luciash	and when i need something to be printed I export to PDF and Printing Companies are fine with that	[13:28]
MatWho	but you have to be very careful with the colors if you do that	[13:29]
luciash	yup, it's not too often though	[13:29]
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MatWho	Do you calibrate your screen?	[13:29]
luciash	meh, never tried that on linux :-p	[13:30]
MatWho	Linux, hum that might be a problem!	[13:31]
luciash	i have pretty good lcd screen though, lenovo thinkvision L220x wide monitor	[13:31]
MatWho	Oh no the flash upgrade has crashed my browser!! I will look at the GIMP and color profiles it will help if you can calibrate your screen. Hold on ...	[13:33]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15867 /trunk/tiki-view_tracker_item.php: [FIX]tracker: Attachment with same name were overwritting each other	[13:35]
luciash	MatWho: damn :-p	[13:36]
MatWho	Ok we are going again	[13:36]
luciash	btw, it's kind of funny that i found a color glitch on the cover of the colorindex2 book by Krause... the "r" of the "color" is painted green while it goes over the big number "2" which is painted blue in the background... kind of unreadable "r" when you look at the book from a distance ;) MatWho: and thanks for the books again ! :) bbl, gotta work on updating content of a site still...	[13:40]
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PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15868 /branches/2.0/tiki-view_tracker_item.php: backport: Attachments with same name were overwritting each other	[13:46]
luciash	luciash hopes to port the http://www.petrkrejcir.cz/ to Tiki soon... it's PITA to update pages content and their pagination at a static website	[13:48]
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sylvieg	do we still continue to merge 2.x to trunk?	[14:13]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by sept_7 :: r 15869 /trunk/lib/images/ (4 files): [FIX] images library : better error handling... Don't crash.	[14:18]
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xTremePower	hello everybody someone can help me please about tTW ? nobody here ?	[14:37]
luciash	hi xTremePower	[14:43]
xTremePower	hello can I ask you some questions about TW mods ? I have a problem with minichat when I use the minichat module, he say's me : feature_minichat disabled but no way to find where can I activate it	[14:44]
luciash	i think it was a bug in 2.x you have to put feature_minichat y in tiki preferences db table	[14:49]
xTremePower	in phpmyadmin ?	[14:50]
luciash	yup	[14:50]
xTremePower	one min I test it and i have one other question, if you have info before TW i used Mediaportal ah i used this point mapping addon	[14:51]
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xTremePower	http://www.giswiki.org/wiki/Point-Mapping_Extension#Samples	[14:52]
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xTremePower	i can't find one same thing for W TW I want to use in wiki one image file (a map) and put in this map points I try to use JGraphpad, but can't insert images	[14:52]
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luciash	try to explore http://maps.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php	[14:57]
xTremePower	for minichat I can't find the feature minichat in the db	[14:57]
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luciash	i guess you have to add it to the tiki_preferences table feature_minichat	[15:02]
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xTremePower	ah find feature_minichat is aleready on y I tryed to empty the cache, nothing....	[15:08]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by sylvieg :: r 15870 /trunk/tiki-send_newsletters.php: [FIX]newsletter: stupid message - if there is no newsletter do not say you do not have perm	[15:11]
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xTremePower	so, no idea fot minichat ?	[15:23]
sylvieg	minichat is only in trunk?	[15:26]
xTremePower	y try to use it in module and in wiki and it always say me : feature_wiki not activeted but I find it in phpmyadmin, and he is on Y	[15:26]
relena	active in fonctionality wiki (feature_wiki)	[15:30]
luciash	feature_wiki ? you said feature_minichat before ?	[15:33]
xTremePower	nop i said minichat	[15:34]
luciash	then enable wiki feature	[15:34]
xTremePower	sorry missed :)	[15:34]
luciash	yep, but now you said "16:28 < xTremePower> and it always say me : feature_wiki not activeted" so it confuses me	[15:34]
xTremePower	I said about minichat yes i make an error Minichat not wiki	[15:35]
luciash	ok :)	[15:35]
xTremePower	I said, I tryed to use minichat in mondule, and in wikipage, but he say's it no active in wiki feartues he is active, and in phpmyadmin on Y	[15:35]
luciash	that's weird	[15:36]
xTremePower	yes -_-	[15:37]
SEWilco2	Is "Y" different from "y"?	[15:37]
xTremePower	he is on y a sade in uppercase here just for understand :)	[15:39]
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sylvieg	amette? can you try to put some groups in the selected groups - just to see?	[15:53]
amette	sylvieg: pong sure, I'll try	[15:58]
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amette	ok, I added "Registered,Admins,DocTwoAdmins,DocTwoEditors" - seems to make sense to me...	[16:01]
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marclaporte	polom	[16:06]
sylvieg	seems to change nothing can you try to import pref	[16:06]
amette	done	[16:08]
sylvieg	... I think I remember the remote.php function on tw.org is not the standard one - no succes ... so you can rollback the setting	[16:08]
amette	"import user preferences" rolled back - group import kept as is	[16:10]
sylvieg	need to contact ohertel - it is not normal the remote.php on tw.org is an ols version message sent to ohertel - I can not write file on tw.org so I need him - we will try to solve the problem when he will show up	[16:14]
amette	ok, great - thanks a bunch! :)	[16:18]
PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by pkdille :: r 15871 /trunk/templates/tiki-admin_newsletters.tpl: [MOD] code indentation - no changes	[16:30]
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nikhilodeon	hi - i am trying to use the batch_load_pages.php script to upload pages en masse to the Wiki - it used to run pretty quickly, but since I added a few fields to the users_users table, and incoporated trackers, it runs a lot slower / freezes up - any suggestions on how to improve the performance?	[17:07]
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luciash	amette, sylvieg: thanks a lot for looking into that	[17:17]
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nikhilodeon	do you think adding those fields and trackers would slow down the performance of the page?	[17:18]
ricks99	q: is there any way to let a user edit a categorized wiki page, but disallow the ability to change the category? need to find a way to stop users from accidentally changing (or removing) a page's category	[17:32]
sylvieg	nikhilodeon: do not forget to add the indexes we spoke about on the devel list	[17:41]
nikhilodeon	sylvieg: add the indexes?	[17:42]
sylvieg	on the trackers table ricks99: I never test if default category for groups with a category with no perm for the user works?	[17:42]
nikhilodeon	sylvieg: thanks - is there a specific URL that provides more info?	[17:43]
ricks99	@sylvieg: dont want to assign a default category. just want to prohibit the ability to change to a different category	[17:47]
sylvieg	http://sh.nu/p/25182	[17:47]
ricks99	sort of like a new tiki_p_change_category permission.... have a hack in the tiki-editpage.tpl template, but that's not really the right way to do it :(	[17:47]
sylvieg	but who assigned the categ the first time?	[17:48]
ricks99	different group i want Registered group to be able to edit pages in category A, B, and C. But not change the page's category if page is in category A, i don't want users changing it to a different category or uncategorizing the page	[17:48]
sylvieg	seems to be a missing feature ...	[17:50]
ricks99	k. just wanted to confirm if/how other folks do this. my hack works for now.... will wait for sylvieg to add the feature ;-)	[17:52]
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nikhilodeon	sylvieg: thanks for the link for the tracker db modifications - i know it is hard to generalize, but do you think adding the indexes would break anything?	[18:03]
sylvieg	nothing	[18:05]
nikhilodeon	sylvieg - ok; and do you think that would speed up the performance of the batch_load_pages script?	[18:05]
sylvieg	no idea - you spoke about trackers - and for trackers - yes I am sure	[18:06]
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nikhilodeon	right - trackers aren't directly related to the batch_load_pages script, but since they have been added for users, I am wondering if that is slowing down the performance of the script	[18:07]
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MatWho	hi	[19:13]
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sylvieg	hi MatWho :-)	[19:20]
MatWho	sylvieg: Hi how are you? Pauline and I have only just arrived back in Portugal, it was a lot of traveling. It was really great to meet you in Canada.	[19:21]
sylvieg	Nice to meet you too - thanks again for your wonderful presentation/work	[19:23]
MatWho	sylvieg: I was so tired after all those Post-It Notes that I forgot to show you my CRM/webemail prototype using Trackers. But I look forward to the next time we meet!	[19:23]
sylvieg	sure	[19:24]
MatWho	I am busy writing up our workshop and tidying up the video so everyone can see what we did, oh we did get through a lot of bits of paper!!	[19:24]
sylvieg	you were the one always asking for one more ;-)	[19:27]
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PS\|bot	SVN: Commit by alain_desilets :: r 15876 /trunk/lib/multilingual/ (5 files): Shortest path algorithm now works fine.	[21:01]
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derek72	I'm trying to display sample XML in a FAQ, but the tags keep disappearing. What is the wiki syntax to prevent this?	[21:08]
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luciash	derek72: {CODE()}...{CODE} MatWho: hi again :) MatWho: http://irc.tikiwiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2008-12-02,Tue&sel=139l135	[21:35]
MatWho	hi	[21:38]
luciash	MatWho: damn, my irc client stripped out the dash/number character before "l135" :)	[21:38]
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MatWho	sorry I dont know what to look at!	[21:40]
luciash	MatWho: after you left, 13:40, i'm not sure if you have read it	[21:43]
MatWho	Hey I like your site design!	[21:44]
luciash	ah, thanks, it's some year old or so :)	[21:44]
MatWho	I have found someone who has got a color calibrator to work on linux http://jcornuz.wordpress.com/2007/11/16/spyder-the-good-and-the-ugly/	[21:45]
luciash	(client's site actually) MatWho: cool, thanks, going to check that link !	[21:45]
MatWho	I have just been given a Spyder 2 by a friend who did not want it but I already have one! If you want it e-mail me with your postal address! It would make a nice Xmass present from us to you!!	[21:46]
derek72	it still is removing the tags	[21:49]
SEWilco2	I see "Rate this article" in Article comments, but I'm not finding where the resultant article rating is displayed. What is purpose of comment rating?	[21:50]
luciash	luciash wonders if it's worth to spend money for the colorimeter ;)	[21:50]
SEWilco2	MatWho: Someone gave you a bicycle?	[21:50]
luciash	MatWho: ah, wow, i just didn't read whole sentence before my wondering ;) derek72: try ~np~...~/np~ too	[21:50]
MatWho	unfortunately not but just in case can I have a mountain bike :)	[21:51]
luciash	SEWilco2: it's the colorimeter thingy :-p	[21:51]
MatWho	oh sorry derek72 I am interfering in something serious	[21:51]
luciash	derek72: can you post the XML code to http://sh.nu/p if not secret to let us review/try ?	[21:52]
SEWilco2	Oh, I see. A color calibrator with a PC interface.	[21:53]
derek72	the site is blocked by our firewall	[21:53]
Jyhem	derek72: can you ut ~np~ before and ~/np~ after the XML ?	[21:54]
derek72	tried that earlier	[21:54]
Jyhem	oops, missed it	[21:55]
derek72	then it just shows the numbers in the tags I'm just trying to display a sample segment of XML	[21:55]
luciash	derek72: hmm, another paste code service ?	[21:55]
derek72	but no matter what wiki tags I use, the XML tags are removed and only values are shown	[21:56]
lphuberdeau	did you look at the produced source?	[21:56]
derek72	I can always create graphic to work around I was emailed a snippet in plain text for posting	[21:56]
Jyhem	maybe you need a way of disabling "allow html in wiki text" someawhere (can't remeber where)	[21:58]
derek72	already check that checked	[21:58]
Jyhem	MatWho: Hi Mat, nice to read from you :)	[21:59]
MatWho	yes its good to be back on-line :)	[21:59]
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SEWilco2	It looks like "Rate this article" is not being displayed anywhere, so I'm fixing that. Just going to display something like "Rating: 3" in the article.	[22:36]
luciash	luciash is going to zzz land good night everybody	[22:38]
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SEWilco2	While looking for a plugin, I got a little surprise in the results: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?mode=mobile&page=PluginManager	[23:00]
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SEWilco2	Yeah... I ended up in the mobile version of the PluginManager display. Ick.	[23:01]
MatWho	otb :)	[23:02]
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kerrnel	Howdy...is there someone who can give me admin or tracker admin privs on ui.tw.o? Or can someone point me to a *.tw.o site that's dogfooding trunk?	[23:40]
sylvieg	ok kerrnel you are admin on ui 99% of people on ui are admins ;-)	[23:42]
lphuberdeau	'Anonymous' isn't... I guess that's about it for non-admins	[23:44]
kerrnel	lol thanks sylvie Sweet, I crashed the UI site	[23:44]
sylvieg	kerrnel will do some bug fixing this evening ;-)	[23:46]
kerrnel	ok. Just wanted to check out that wikiplugin thing you mentioned or is that separate from the trackers tiki-admin_trackers.php is the script that barfed with a 500 error, btw.	[23:47]
sylvieg	strange bug...	[23:51]

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