#tikiwiki 2008-12-04,Thu

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gferreira	hello world i am having trouble with calendar permissions, maybe someone can help me out?	[00:20]
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gferreira	i have all calendar permissions set for a certain group, but i am still getting a "Permission denied you can not view this page" error when i try to create an event i can view the empty calendar, but can't create events am i missing something? is this a bug? i'm using tw 2.2 thanks	[00:22]
lphuberdeau	did you create a calendar?	[00:25]
gferreira	not a new one, no i'm viewing the calendar that appears in the application menu, right under 'home' ok, i've created a calendar and now it works fine thanks for the hint! :-)	[00:29]
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lphuberdeau	I remember asking myself why it didn't work before... not easy to understand there is no calendar when you see one ;)	[00:46]
gferreira	yes, maybe there should be a note somewhere explaining this... :-) thanks again, bye!	[00:51]
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chibaguy	Are there any docs on the "Edit plugin" icons that are displayed in wiki pages, in trunk (when logged in as admin)? These appear for all images, in Opera. The popups don't have close icons, in IE7,	[02:01]
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chibaguy	And appear down at the page bottom, in FF3. In my local test, making changes in the fields and submitting has no effect. I take it "Edit plugin" is for fast modifications of images, plugins, etc., without going to the wiki edit page? I hope devs are able to check in browsers besides FF. Anything using popups, javascript, etc., seems fairly likely to not work as expected in all browsers. (thinking of the new wiki edit help sidebar here)	[02:04]
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marclaporte	fyi: http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20081203/ap_on_hi_te/tec_tech_bit_wikipedia_editing	[02:48]
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marclaporte	chibaguy: : I see edit plugin as the start of a plugin builder/helper	[02:55]
chibaguy	Probably so.	[02:58]
marclaporte	would be nice to have some more like this for wiki syntax to build urls for example	[02:58]
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chibaguy	Hopefully it'll work ok in all browsers eventually. I submitted a few bug reports about problems in Opera and IE.	[02:59]
marclaporte	ok about ui.tikiwiki.org, do you forsee any problems/ missing stuff with patrick's designs?	[03:00]
chibaguy	Right now I'm working on the main layout for the design he said was the actual one for COE. And can pretty much use default templates so far. I assume the wiki edit page will need significant template changes (which I guess Pascal is going to do?) for the tabs interface like we saw at TikiFest. Actually some of the design details for COE may be specific to that theme, like the way the search and login are at the page top, and not necessarily the way to go for the default Tiki themes, but that's a minor issue. I haven't looked at Patrick's designs for the forum and so on, so don't know what's needed there, yet.	[03:01]
marclaporte	significant template changes could be done by lph as well. We'll see who has time ok, bedtime for me (4am)	[03:07]
chibaguy	Also the new design uses a very narrow icons-only left column, which probably wouldn't be recommended for Tiki sites in general.	[03:08]
marclaporte	ok	[03:08]
chibaguy	ok, good night. :-)	[03:08]
marclaporte	you online tomorrow?	[03:08]
chibaguy	Should be, yes.	[03:08]
marclaporte	super take care!	[03:08]
chibaguy	ok, you too.	[03:09]
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voraistos	do you know how i could get a top-bar menu (with phplayers and nice js drop down) but without having a menu module on the side ?	[05:56]
chibaguy	voraistos, you can set the top-bar menu with the Look and Feel config page, and use the admin modules (tiki-admin_modules.php) to turn off the side-column menu.	[06:00]
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voraistos	it doesn't work chibaguy. I tried that earlier	[06:18]
chibaguy	Which doesn't work? displaying the top menu, or turning off the side menu?	[06:19]
voraistos	on another hand, my gf did screw her theme up quite a lot, so I'll try with a clean theme	[06:19]
chibaguy	That's a good idea.	[06:19]
voraistos	know what the default theme is ?	[06:19]
chibaguy	If it's a recent Tiki version, I 'd say TheNews. Technically, Tikineat is still the default theme, but uses old methods and will be replaced.	[06:21]
voraistos	ok. got thenews I think my gf should have based her theme on this one... hmpf so you say I should remove the side column menu? you mean press the red cross? I already tried to forbid the display of the right column, and move the menu in there. It worked, and the menu-bar would still show, however it wouldn't drop down (display the menu items basically)	[06:23]
luciash	polomorning	[06:27]
chibaguy	Are you on admin_modules.php ? And the red cross is for the menu module? polomiddleofafternoon, luciash ^ tiki-admin_modules.php	[06:27]
voraistos	yes I tried deleting it and both menus disappear. If i move it to the right column, the drop down disappears, but the top-menu still shows. So its not a theme thing I was thinking, there is this menuID thing. I don't really know what it does. maybe thats the problem	[06:28]
chibaguy	Well, menus in modules (side columns) and the page-top menu are set independently of each other. Turning one kind on or off shouldn't affect the other.	[06:31]
voraistos	but it does :D	[06:31]
chibaguy	How?	[06:31]
voraistos	well obviously	[06:32]
luciash	chibaguy: :)	[06:32]
voraistos	If I delete one, both disappear	[06:32]
chibaguy	(sorry if I seem slow on this.)	[06:32]
voraistos	lol	[06:32]
chibaguy	The second menu isn't in a side column, but is at the top of the page (spans all columns)?	[06:33]
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luciash	voraistos: sure, if you delete the menu on Admin > Menus and at both places you use the same menu of the same id ....	[06:34]
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voraistos	uh.. Now I am the slow one :D ok. So, right now I have no menu to create a new menu, i clcik on the assign (+) button of the menu in user modules	[06:35]
luciash	removing it at Admin > Modules shouldn't affect the top menu... i guess obsolete tpl is there in between or you didn't cleared caches at Admin > Tiki Cache properly after upgrade	[06:37]
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voraistos	I upgraded from 2.1 to 2.2	[06:37]
luciash	TheNews theme should display the menus fine hmm	[06:38]
voraistos	I'm on TheNews anyway. when I add this module, it displays the top-bar menu thing and the side menu. If i move my (column)menu from the left to the invisible right, topbar menu is still visible, but I dont get a drop down on mouseover	[06:38]
chibaguy	Did you set a topbar menu at tiki-admin.php?page=look? ...under General layout options....	[06:41]
luciash	sorry, household stuff here, dogwalk, etc. :-p bbl	[06:42]
chibaguy	Something like: [x] Top bar [x] Site menu bar Menu ID [43] ?	[06:42]
voraistos	Ok. I sorted it out it was the menu Id thing that was all funky btw, if you guys are hungry i think i have a bug for you So: I had a menu (in admin>menus) with ID 42 when i was adding this menu module, it was adding the menu with id 42 however in my top bar config i was using menu ID 43 but it was displaying menu 42 (I know that because I customized the default menu) and of course there is no menu 43 on my install this is the bug	[06:44]
chibaguy	I haven't seen any other reports of this problem, and people regularly use more than one menu.	[06:47]
voraistos	that caused this weird behavior i was describing	[06:47]
chibaguy	Anyway, I'll see if I can reproduce the behavior.	[06:48]
voraistos	kk	[06:48]
chibaguy	It's possible that maybe a cache needed to be cleared at your server or browser, that caused the problem in your case.	[06:49]
voraistos	I'll clear the cache and see if i can reproduce it it's not the browser, I always purge	[06:50]
chibaguy	At my zukakakina.com site (running Tiki 2.2), I have a menu 44 set in Look and Feel, for the top, and usually one or two more menus in the left column. There hasn't been a problem with the id's getting mixed or anything.	[06:53]
voraistos	I reproduced it you don't understand	[06:53]
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chibaguy	(apparently ;-) )	[06:53]
voraistos	My top-bar menu was displaying menu 42 instead of menu 43 probably because there is no menu 43 anywhere on the system	[06:54]
chibaguy	ah	[06:54]
voraistos	so for some reason, this bug caused all the weird stuff i was describing earlier on :) now that i have specified the right menu ID (in look and feel menu top bar thingy) which is 42, everything works fine.	[06:54]
chibaguy	ok, I see. So the top-bar menu needs some error-checking to make sure the specified menu exists.	[06:56]
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chibaguy	something like that.	[06:57]
voraistos	i think so	[06:58]
chibaguy	I'll do some checking and submit a bug report.	[06:58]
voraistos	btw, chibaguy, are you really making a hello kitty theme ?	[07:01]
chibaguy	ah, you're lizi's bf?	[07:01]
voraistos	yes :)	[07:02]
chibaguy	Maybe so. Kinda busy right now, but it'd be fun, when I get to it.	[07:02]
voraistos	has she been annoying ? :D	[07:02]
chibaguy	Nah.	[07:03]
voraistos	good :P	[07:03]
chibaguy	For a few days a while back she was on here kinda steady, but I haven't seen her here for a while.	[07:03]
voraistos	yeah, she can't really sit in front of the computer anymore or use my laptop she's pregnant	[07:04]
chibaguy	hey, congratulations. I hope all goes well.	[07:05]
voraistos	thanks :) she used to put the laptop on her belly, then I told her how laptops kill babies and why geeks really don't understand girls and have difficulties to procreate. she may not be a geek but she is a true FOSS convert Also the really cool thing is that when i show her something she actually understands she can be harsh though	[07:05]
chibaguy	Heh, I believe it.	[07:11]
voraistos	If she thinks it's crap, she'll tell you like this guy who spent years devellopping sis drivers	[07:11]
chibaguy	I picked that up from the chat here, but I enjoyed our conversations.	[07:12]
voraistos	that's why I asked if she had been annoying :P	[07:12]
chibaguy	nah, I don't mind people being direct or having strong opinions, if they're thinking people, logical, etc. makes life interesting.	[07:13]
voraistos	I like her criticism. I find it constructive. she's an end user that knows what she wants. But also I kinda love her so she can't hurt me, not tru for random guys she meets on irc :P	[07:14]
luciash	re, heheh luciash never heard laptops kill babies :-p	[07:14]
voraistos	depends. If the alptop heats a lot then yes that's why if you use your laptop as a laptop, it will cook your balls. And I'm not making a sad dirty joke.	[07:15]
chibaguy	I used to commute with my laptop on my lap maybe an hour and a half total each day. But I guess my laptop doesn't get that hot.	[07:17]
luciash	LOL	[07:17]
chibaguy	Also I already have two kids and don't need more, so maybe some heat is ok.	[07:18]
voraistos	lol yes :D	[07:18]
chibaguy	(not dependable enough to let us toss the other birth control methods, unfortunately)	[07:18]
luciash	my laptop doesn't heat a lot too, but anyway i guess my balls are not on my lap but somewhere down under there :-p	[07:19]
voraistos	you can always get an athlon thunderbird with some sort of big graphics card. that should do it. Or one of these batteries that explode :P	[07:19]
luciash	well, exploding bateries can be dangerous, i agree :-p	[07:20]
voraistos	mine almost exploded the other day :O no idea why	[07:20]
luciash	wow, scary	[07:20]
voraistos	there was the battery light blinking weird (and laptop on AC ) I touch the battery and it was burning smelling bad too I removed it and put it back, no more blinking and no more heating I have no clue what happened I was almost crying cauz' the warranty had just expired and i took the biggest (and quite expensive) battery, and din't have the cash to replace it :P	[07:21]
chibaguy	Maybe the circuitry to prevent over-charging stopped working.	[07:23]
luciash	that sucks for sure	[07:23]
voraistos	i suspect so chibaguy So are there any serious plans to make nice themes?	[07:24]
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voraistos	I mean on the how-to-implement side of things I find the current methods to be messy It's just too hard to make a theme	[07:26]
luciash	sure, we're taking it seriously all the time ;)	[07:27]
chibaguy	For one thing, there's work to simplify the templates, reduce or combine CSS selectors, etc.	[07:28]
voraistos	good	[07:28]
chibaguy	That'll show up in the next big release.	[07:28]
voraistos	it wa supposed to show up in tiki 2	[07:28]
chibaguy	(I hope) that's FOSS for ya ;-)	[07:28]
luciash	planning is good, we already agreed on lot of stuff we should go on... it's just time and prefernces to do that actually	[07:28]
voraistos	well, actually chibaguy I find that FOSS tends to just drop support for things quite suddenly.	[07:29]
chibaguy	luciash and I had it all worked out, but other opinions had to be heard. ;-) (just kidding)	[07:29]
luciash	:-p	[07:29]
voraistos	someone comes up with some great idea, then everything is changed, or we get a fork. basically	[07:29]
luciash	"we're workin' on it"	[07:30]
chibaguy	TikiWiki is kind of unusual, I guess, in that way. "preserve the environment"	[07:30]
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voraistos	Also I think some more work needs to be done on the admin interface. It's better than it was, but I still manage to get lost in there. actually all I've ever done in php is hacking, I might learn it for real and get some work done over here	[07:30]
luciash	actually, lot of stuff is already much better than before and we get cleaner and cleaner tpl files thanks to never getting tired contributors like pkdille ;)	[07:31]
voraistos	You seem to have a small dev team	[07:31]
luciash	voraistos: LOL, you're welcome to join ! for real	[07:32]
voraistos	hahahaha	[07:32]
chibaguy	There's quite a few people who can contribute, but actual active contributors are not that many, day to day.	[07:33]
voraistos	However just to be annoying I'll exclusively speak french	[07:33]
luciash	voraistos: just let me know when you feel to commit a code i'll add you to the devs	[07:34]
chibaguy	Most of the more active contributors will have no trouble with that, voraistos.	[07:34]
voraistos	to be even more annoying I'll dump code on IRC muahahahaha	[07:34]
luciash	voraistos: technically all you need is sf.net account and a svn client	[07:34]
voraistos	yes i can do that :)	[07:34]
chibaguy	chibaguy recalls the conversations in Montreal when luciash and me were the only non-french speakers....	[07:35]
voraistos	marc laporte is from quebec is that right ? I see geej that was some lag :D	[07:35]
chibaguy	Yes, he is.	[07:37]
voraistos	I guess most contributors are, if you two were the only non-french speaking guys there :P	[07:38]
chibaguy	Well, we weren't the only ones, but at some times that's how it was. By virtue of meeting in Montreal, and also there happen to be quite a few devs in/from France.	[07:39]
voraistos	I saw a few tiki-based french websites there is hidden text on doc.tw.o is this normal ? Or just a theme issue ?	[07:41]
chibaguy	Maybe a server-change issue. Where is it?	[07:44]
luciash	don't tell me it's between <u> and </u> :-p	[07:46]
voraistos	in the header "This documentation is a community effort. Join us!"	[07:46]
luciash	ah, that was visible there before before theme change	[07:47]
voraistos	the "in" that goes after the search box is gone too.	[07:47]
luciash	seems theme issue	[07:47]
chibaguy	right That'll get fixed, but there are more basic things to straighten out first, I think.	[07:48]
luciash	gary, btw, i found an interesting blog post for you ;) http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008/12/01/100-free-high-quality-xhtmlcss-templates/ work for you for the next year if you still enjoy porting themes to tiki ;)	[07:49]
chibaguy	thanks. I already go to some of those sites for themes to convert, etc.	[07:51]
luciash	i see :) oswd is pretty well known :) (or opensourcetemplates)	[07:51]
chibaguy	yeah, and no problem about license afaik. A lot of new templates at the smashingmagazine link -- nice. :-) as if I didn't already have enough of these already to last me until Tikiwiki 6.0.....	[07:53]
luciash	:D	[07:56]
chibaguy	I really like doing the first parts of a theme or adaptation. It's the little details and browser compatibility stuff that I don't like. I'd like a team of house elves for those parts.	[07:59]
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luciash	hahah, yeah, you're at the right place then ;) btw, smashingmagazine is pretty cool resource for inspiration chibaguy: i can exchange some links of my favorite resources (sites/rss feeds URLs) with you gary, if you like	[08:05]
chibaguy	ok, that'd be good.	[08:10]
luciash	i can send them to you by mail or via FB	[08:14]
chibaguy	mail is ok. I'll send you some too (if I have any you don't have already), but it'll take me a little time to find them. I've gotta go now, but will be back later.	[08:20]
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shishir_gsoc	Hello I am trying to register as a new User at tikiwiki.org but when I press on register after entering the details it says " You are not logged in. Go to Login Page" When I use Forget password module it says "Error Invalid or unknown username."	[10:40]
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lortega	hi I need help please!	[10:44]
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luciash	hi lortega	[10:56]
lortega	hi lucia thanks i epeak a litlle english speak I have a problem whit my tikiwiki: Is not possible save the changes ina wiki pages, or upload images ...	[10:56]
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luciash	lortega: try memory_limit Sug4r: whatis memory_limit	[11:18]
Sug4r	'memory_limit' could be the most frequently asked question about trouble getting blank pages. The PHP memory_limit should be >= 16M (see your php.ini). You can check it with <?php echo ini_get('memory_limit'); ?> and read more at http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Requirements+and+Setup&bl#PHP	[11:18]
lortega	32M in php.ini	[11:19]
luciash	describe more please what is the problem version 2.2 ?	[11:19]
lortega	I edit a wiki page and I save changes and exceed time connection version 2.0	[11:21]
luciash	i'd recommend gzip enabled and also try even more (64M in php.ini) and check your max time script is allowed to execute, maybe that's low value too also upgrade to 2.2 for more security	[11:25]
lortega	gzip enabled? where?	[11:28]
luciash	Admin > General what's your max_execution_time and post_max_size ?	[11:28]
lortega	max_exec_time=60 post max sixe=55M	[11:29]
luciash	amette: ping, check your mail lortega: hmm, that's more than enough	[11:29]
lortega	?	[11:30]
luciash	it's ok i mean, we have 128M memory_limit though on one server	[11:31]
amette	luciash: pong, already answered	[11:31]
luciash	amette: ping, great :)	[11:31]
amette	and fixed ;) err: pong and fixed ;)	[11:31]
luciash	:) lortega: 64M doesn't help ? lortega: also, does it on every page (no matter how long the page is) and on every image upload ?	[11:31]
lortega	yes do you like acces to my web site whit user admin?	[11:33]
luciash	lortega: thanks, but sorry, i think i will not realize more than you there... got some work here too	[11:36]
lortega	Ok Thanks	[11:36]
luciash	amette: much better now amette: i get the error nomore bbl	[11:37]
lortega	Admin/general/ Use gzippet output is not market. I market this?	[11:39]
amette	luciash: you need to surf around the site for a couple of hours - the error only occurs after some time when a PHP-process has accumulated too much memory.. luciash: ... that it is gone now is just because of apache restart	[11:43]
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sylvieg	amaette around? sorry amette:	[13:34]
amette	sylvieg: yup	[13:35]
sylvieg	in fact I was sudo on tw.org - so I was able to replace remote.php with the svn one - the groups Admins is sent back to doc.tw.. so seems a problem on doc.tw	[13:35]
amette	hmm, ok... ... any idea what it could be? I could try updating users_users with the values it had before...	[13:36]
sylvieg	you do have a group Admins?	[13:36]
amette	... or drop the contents of users_users completely? They should be retransmitted once people log in!? on doc.tw.o? lemme see	[13:37]
sylvieg	after a little trace in tiki-login.php can be helpful	[13:37]
amette	yes, the groups are there	[13:38]
sylvieg	line 151 print_r($groups); print_r($user_details['groups']);	[13:38]
amette	ok, added	[13:39]
sylvieg	dammit - I do not see the trace ... but perhaps it is because redirection...	[13:40]
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amette	yeah, don't find it either... but somehow the left column moved a bit	[13:40]
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sylvieg	if ($user == 'sylvie') { print_r($groups); print_r($user_details['groups']);die;}	[13:41]
amette	:) done	[13:41]
sylvieg	if ($user == 'sylvie') { print_r($groups); echo '-';print_r($user_details['groups']);die;}	[13:42]
amette	btw - you want it before the preg_split, right? moved it there now, had it after it first	[13:42]
sylvieg	ah no after	[13:42]
amette	k, updated oh, ok, wait... ok, moved after it again	[13:42]
sylvieg	so $user_details['groups'] is empty ...	[13:44]
amette	like it would take it from the database instead of from intertiki... ... should I delete your user from DB?	[13:44]
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sylvieg	no it does not matter in intertiki	[13:45]
amette	hmmm, ok... but intertiki does update the users_usergroups table? otherwise I can't explain why it was there after the import and then gone later.	[13:46]
sylvieg	in lin e 128 if ($user == 'sylvie') {print_r($user_details); die;}	[13:46]
amette	done	[13:47]
sylvieg	can you check in tiki logs if I login intertiki was successful?	[13:48]
amette	yup, mom 35077 login Do 04 Dec, 2008 14:47 CET sylvie983 Punkte intertiki : sylvie@tw.o 71.184.193.40 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U;... seems so	[13:48]
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marclaporte	polom lphuberdeau I see you are on ui site :-) main thing is I would like to use plugins annotation and thumb (not together but seperatly) so we can coordinate efforts on site	[13:59]
lphuberdeau	I tried them... they work as for thumb... what is that?	[14:04]
marclaporte	thumbnail plus, you mouse-over a small picuture to see big one	[14:07]
lphuberdeau	exists? what's wrong with it? btw... I have today and tomorrow reserved for all this	[14:08]
marclaporte	yay! 1st thing: I tried to make annotation plugin using plugin helper. And then to add a comment. Here is what happened: http://coe.notrewiki.net/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=ForumsUI&diff_style=sidediff&compare=Compare&newver=0&oldver=4&tra_lang=en	[14:10]
lphuberdeau	was that a manual entry?	[14:11]
marclaporte	no	[14:13]
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lphuberdeau	ok, reproduced now, explain the problem with thumbnails	[14:15]
marclaporte	http://ui.tikiwiki.org/DogFood#Images_in_file_gallery_don_t_seem_to_work_with_thumbnail_plugin I am also on this for next two days Patrick & Gary too I think so we can get a lot done	[14:16]
lphuberdeau	grr... rollback leads to a blank page... is trunk that broken or only that branch? I think it would be important to avoid breaking everything if we ever want to merge it back	[14:18]
marclaporte	is trunk that broken or only that branch? -> I don't know maybe a sync trunk to branch first? I hope we don't find more bugs ;-) wiki plugin helper is VERY nice Louis-Philippe. You made an amazingly useful UI contribution	[14:21]
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marclaporte	marclaporte senses large svn operations are happening in the background...	[14:32]
lphuberdeau	only updated a branch from trunk for a hundred revision... ~1 week	[14:42]
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marclaporte	marclaporte is testing semantic links	[14:49]
lphuberdeau	sourceforge is slow..	[15:03]
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lphuberdeau	so... annotations, thumbnail plugin... what else on my plate?	[15:10]
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marclaporte	quicktags overhaul	[15:12]
ricks99	hi all :)	[15:13]
marclaporte	and help re-cut tiki to support new design, with tabs hi ricks99!	[15:13]
ricks99	q: with openid... how can i allow users to associate their openid with their tiki login only after registering? that is... i need to force users to register (and select a tiki username) first, and then go back and associate their openID with their tiki ID is this possible?	[15:13]
lphuberdeau	that breaks the whole point of openid like, not to have a password at all	[15:14]
ricks99	just for registration	[15:14]
lphuberdeau	you need to select a username when you register using openid well, more like confirm username because it's provided by the openid provider	[15:15]
ricks99	maybe need to ask a different way.... when a user attempts to register using openid, i want to force the selection of an existing tiki username -- i do not want to allow creation of a new tiki username	[15:16]
lphuberdeau	I know what you want I don't know why you would want that	[15:17]
ricks99	because i need to authenticate users (using external sytem) before allowing them access patching my authentication before tiki-register.php is easy... openID not so much	[15:17]
lphuberdeau	it uses the normal tiki-register in the end	[15:18]
ricks99	ah...ok then maybe easier than i thought	[15:18]
lphuberdeau	just receives less parameters the return page allows to login or register for new openids when you register, it's the normal register page called, just a different form to it	[15:18]
ricks99	k. i'll play some. tx lphuberdeau no simple switch to simply allow openid for login, but not for registration?	[15:20]
lphuberdeau	wouldn't be hard to add, but there are none and because it's really anti-openid, I wouldn't want that option in trunk	[15:21]
ricks99	understood 2nd question... how do i "unassociate" an openid with a tiki username?	[15:23]
lphuberdeau	I don't think there is an option for that	[15:24]
ricks99	i see nothing in user admin that shows openid = username k	[15:24]
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lphuberdeau	ui.tw.o is up to date	[15:28]
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ricks99	ui.tw.o -- nice theme... but horrible in IE	[15:36]
lphuberdeau	that's not my fault ;)	[15:36]
ricks99	just saying...	[15:37]
lphuberdeau	if you want to help out however, the branch is open	[15:37]
SEWilco2	SEWilco2 thinks it's appropriate for IE to be named as a choked-off scream.	[15:38]
ricks99	i'll leave theme work to the xperts. just providing feedback ie 6 ~ 25% market share, fairly significant	[15:39]
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lphuberdeau	that's quite sad I would say	[15:40]
MatWho	who is doing what on ui.tw.org - I could fix some of the IE problems just need to know if I am stepping on toes	[15:45]
SEWilco2	doc.tw.o: "New in Tikiwiki 2.0" in DOCUMENTATION MENU needs to have an absolute URL like its neighbor, because .htaccess does not like the dot in "2.0" (or else someone needs to fix .htaccess). Oooh. Text search is nicely fast on the new doc.tw.o server.	[15:45]
lphuberdeau	mat, generally, patrick does the design and gary does the integration, I do random stuff I guess for the IE problems, you could coordinate with gary	[15:46]
ricks99	is ui.tw.o not intertiki? I was going to login and add a screenshot, showing IE issues	[15:47]
lphuberdeau	I don't think it is	[15:47]
ricks99	k	[15:48]
MatWho	ricks99: It would be better to just let me fix the problems, I have both IE6 and 7 on my mac so will sort it out with Gary	[15:48]
ricks99	k. sounds good	[15:48]
SEWilco2	doc.tw.o: Is "This documentation is a community effort.Join us!" in the banner supposed to be invisible? I happened to notice a text cursor appearing in an empty space. Also "in:" by Search.	[15:48]
marclaporte	lphuberdeau: : http://ui.tikiwiki.org/tiki-list_file_gallery.php Internal Server Error and http://ui.tikiwiki.org/tiki-assignuser.php?assign_user=ricks99 aswell	[15:48]
ricks99	hidden text on doc.tw.o now unhidden	[15:51]
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MatWho	dooom and gloom - no don't let it get to you - lp is doing random things - all will be well :) hey ui.tw.o is looking good	[15:52]
marclaporte	we love lphuberdeau	[15:52]
lphuberdeau	marc, where can I get the apache error log?	[15:53]
MatWho	this project has no errors - so we don't have a log	[15:53]
lphuberdeau	hmmm.. thumb is not even supposed to worth with file galleries... not a bug, missing feature sadly, I don't guess apache's errors from a generic 500 screen	[15:54]
SEWilco2	No thumbs on file galleries, but a slide show? And thumbs on image gal without slide shows. This page is not fully loading. Maybe the new server has a problem with the video? http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=TikiWiki+2.0&highlight=categorized	[15:54]
marclaporte	marclaporte hunts for error log	[15:57]
SEWilco2	Of course, right after I sent the comment the page completed loading...but there's an empty space where video should be.	[15:57]
lphuberdeau	marc, want me to add file gallery support in the thumb plugin?	[15:58]
marclaporte	yes, please otherwise, we have to change back to image gallery and it's a pain to coordinate lphuberdeau: : sent in PM and Skype	[15:58]
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marclaporte	polom tomb! tomb: I am in Paris!	[16:03]
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MatWho	marclaporte: are you staying there? or planning a move?	[16:09]
marclaporte	MatWho: Thanks for your help on IE6 stuff :-)	[16:10]
MatWho	no prob	[16:10]
marclaporte	here for a few days more then, London, probably also possibilities for Rome, Portugal	[16:10]
MatWho	:)	[16:11]
marclaporte	and for sure Strasbourg to see Regis For now, I need to treat a huge backlog of work many things need to be done for the end of December	[16:11]
rpg	I was wondering --- does tw have an equivalent of soft links so that we could always have a wiki link to "NextMeetingMinutes" that would point to different wiki pages as time goes by?	[16:12]
marclaporte	lphuberdeau: : I found it lphuberdeau: it's a perm problem my server doesn't like [2008-12-04 08:12:51]: error: file is writable by others: (tiki-list_file_gallery.php) fixperms should fix	[16:13]
MatWho	marclaporte: Paris to Lisbon 175 EUR return	[16:14]
marclaporte	not bad! Are there any dates that are better than others?	[16:14]
MatWho	look at eayjet.com tell me if you want a lift from the airport!	[16:15]
marclaporte	10-4	[16:15]
MatWho	easyjet.com	[16:15]
marclaporte	lphuberdeau: : I am running setup.sh fixed	[16:16]
	ricks99: : you are now admin on ui	[16:23]
MatWho	marclaporte: any dates are fine	[16:27]
ricks99	me as admin? asking for trouble....	[16:28]
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SEWilco2	In 2.2 I created Group "Approver" which includes Editor permissions. It shows it has "tiki_p_rename" (labeled "Inherited") but Editors doesn't have that permission.	[16:42]
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SEWilco2	What does the "Inherited" label mean when it is in a tan box and doesn't say where permission is inherited from?	[16:44]
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marclaporte	SEWilco2: check group inclusions	[17:01]
SEWilco2	marclaporte: I only defined "Editors" to be included in "Approvers". Oddly, in the list of groups it lists that relationship but not the inheritance of the other groups.	[17:03]
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lq_836	hi any body help me to inSTALL TikiWiki on Windows 2003 server with IIS	[17:03]
lphuberdeau	marclaporte: annotation and thumbnail fixes were pushed to ui.tw.o	[17:04]
SEWilco2	I'm not seeing "inheritance" options in 2.2 Group creation, only an "include" option.	[17:04]
marclaporte	lphuberdeau: : tks SEWilco: 2: that would be it lq_836: : sorry, I don't know about that lq_836: : do you get any error messages? lq_836: : is php & mySQL installed already?	[17:04]
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lphuberdeau	marc, did you make tests on the forumui page?	[17:06]
lq_836	I tried to follow the steps mentioned in http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Windows+IIS+Install&bl=y but I could not found any mentioned lines in new version TikiWiki 2.2	[17:06]
lphuberdeau	instructions are the same as 2.0 which was very similar to 1.9 anyway	[17:07]
lq_836	when I browse the URL it displays main page Yes PHP and mySQL is installed and working, I also created a database in mysql when I browse the TikiWiki URL (hosted on IIS, PHP ISAPI is already configured) when I hit the page it displays the main page with "TikiWiki could not find your local.php file. This is normal for a brand new TikiWiki installation. Run the TikiWiki installer (tiki-install.php) to create and add information to your db/local.php file. This file contains the information (username/password/database name/etc) to connect to a database. Please see the documentation for more information. " messag but when I click on "tiki-install.php" it displays blank PHP page	[17:07]
lphuberdeau	I get 500 again	[17:11]
lq_836	can you please help me to sort out the issue, or to check the error log?	[17:11]
marclaporte	lphuberdeau: maybe when TRIM updates, perms are changed lphuberdeau: : run setup.sh	[17:11]
lphuberdeau	lq_836, can't help on IIS	[17:12]
SEWilco2	My group "Editors" has permission tiki_p_rename greyed out with a blue "Admin" box on the far right. Why? Editors does not inherit from Admin and does not say "inherited from Admin".	[17:12]
marclaporte	lq_836: : blank page hint could be in error log	[17:12]
lq_836	hmm, what is alternative? is Apache?	[17:12]
marclaporte	lq_836: : yes, Apache You can also try manual install	[17:12]
SEWilco2	Editors does have tiki_p_minor labeled as "inherited from Registered" followed by an "Admin" box. I don't understand the permission relationships.	[17:13]
marclaporte	1- make db/local.php manually and 2: populate mysql with phpmyadmin or something	[17:13]
lq_836	actually I have multiple applications installed on my web server and I was willing to stick with existing infrastructure instead of increasing administrative efforts for multiple servers etc... how can I enable error log to resolve the issues, can you please help me?	[17:13]
SEWilco2	The admin list of all groups does not mention that any groups include other groups, other than my newly created "Approvers" including "Editors".	[17:14]
lq_836	If someone of you guys help me to fix the issue, then I can promise to contribute to release TikiWiki installation document for Windows with IIS. I am sure it is not too much hard to deploy on IIS	[17:16]
marclaporte	lq_836: I can try to help you with the Tiki aspect but I have no idea on how activate things such as error logs, on IIS. lq_836: : maye you should try installing something like http://www.wampserver.com/ first and isolate the problem installing Tiki on WAMP should be trivial and you can try with IIS after lphuberdeau : [2008-12-04 09:11:11]: error: file is writable by others: (/home/coe/public_html/tiki-wikiplugin_edit.php so TRIM changes the perms and causes this issue strange because SVN up doesn't change perms I think	[17:17]
lq_836	actually it is required to enable error logging in PHP, let me google to enable PHP error log	[17:21]
marclaporte	MatWho: I am planning multi-destination trip. Do you recommend another site? Or I just buy many tickets from here? I don't see multi-city option on Easyjet.com	[17:22]
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marclaporte	lq_836: I will hold you up to your promise :-)	[17:22]
MatWho	marclaporte: hold on checking ..	[17:23]
marclaporte	Paris->London 35 Euros!!!	[17:24]
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MatWho	:)	[17:24]
lq_836	I will, however it's deffinetly conditional to my success with IIS :)	[17:24]
lphuberdeau	marclaporte: can't find information about tags and the rest of the stuff on my plate	[17:25]
marclaporte	lph: can I call you? tags?	[17:26]
lphuberdeau	don,t know, you mentionned that before	[17:26]
MatWho	marclaporte: with easyjet their price is the same for a return or one-way so just book the legs you need on the easyjet web site	[17:26]
lphuberdeau	but yes, you can call	[17:26]
porsh_aka_shishi	Hello I wish to commit the code of a wikiplugin ANNOTATION to dev......I want your help ppresently I have an account at tikiwik.org, sourceforge.net	[17:26]
lphuberdeau	got commit access yet? how many code changes were made?	[17:27]
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porsh_aka_shishi	how to get it........I went through http://dev.tikiwiki.org/commit .........bu couldn't get much help	[17:28]
marclaporte	marclaporte looks forward to dogfooding porsh_aka_shishi's creation	[17:28]
porsh_aka_shishi	the whole code for wikplugin ANNOTATION is almost written how to get commit access I have also registered for svn commit mailing list	[17:28]
marclaporte	http://dev.tikiwiki.org/How+to+get+commit+access what is your SourceForge login? porsh_aka_shishi: : what do you think of the 3 rules?	[17:30]
lphuberdeau	is it backwards compatible?	[17:30]
MatWho	It looks like we need to welcome a new committer to Tiki - Hooray :) Hi there porsh_aka_shishi	[17:31]
porsh_aka_shishi	marclaporte: sourceforge login name: porsh	[17:33]
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porsh_aka_shishi	marclaporte:the 3 rules are simply awesome. I respect them and would follow them :)	[17:37]
marclaporte	:-)	[17:37]
porsh_aka_shishi	lphuberdeau: what do you mean by backwards comptible.....please explain in a bit detail MatWho: thnq :)	[17:37]
SEWilco2	porsh_aka_shishi: Are you aware there is already a plugin called ANNOTATION?	[17:38]
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marclaporte	https://sourceforge.net/users/porsh/	[17:39]
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porsh_aka_shishi	SEWilco2: lphuberdeau wrote the initial ANNOTATION plugin. Am not sure whether it is being used or not	[17:39]
mib_32wx6s	hello hi i need help with tikiwiki 2.2	[17:39]
SEWilco2	porsh_aka_shishi: I think ANNOTATION is used on some *.tikiwiki.org sites. That's what is meant where it refers to "this site".	[17:41]
porsh_aka_shishi	SEWilco2: Can you provide me with a link to a page where its being presently used	[17:41]
SEWilco2	porsh_aka_shishi: Does your ANNOTATION behave the same as the existing one when given the old parameters? That's what lphuberdeau meant by "backwards compatible".	[17:42]
mib_32wx6s	does anyone know how to fix page can not be displayed after creating a new page in wiki?	[17:43]
ricks99	@mib_32wx6s: r u getting an error? do u have permission to create/view the page?	[17:44]
lphuberdeau	old version of annotation was released, thus is used	[17:44]
mib_32wx6s	yes I am the admin when I hit the back button the page was created	[17:45]
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porsh_aka_shishi	marclaporte: So now I am part of TikiWiki CMS/Groupware Community at Sourceforge. thnq :)	[17:45]
marclaporte	lphuberdeau: : http://ui.tikiwiki.org/tiki-download_file.php?fileId=29&display	[17:45]
ricks99	r u using the "search engine friendly url" option?	[17:45]
mib_32wx6s	but everytime you create or update the wiki it goes to page can not be displayed and I have to hit the back button	[17:45]
porsh_aka_shishi	What should I do now to upload the code to the trunk?	[17:46]
mib_32wx6s	"search engine friendly" was that for me if it was then yes	[17:47]
ricks99	@mib_32wx6s: did u remember to enable the .htaccess file (requried for sefurl), too?	[17:47]
mib_32wx6s	enable it under where	[17:48]
ricks99	in ur file directory. pls see docs: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/rewrite+rules	[17:49]
MatWho	porsh_aka_shishi: do you want some help with svn?	[17:49]
porsh_aka_shishi	marclaporte, lphuberdeau : the new user interface is simply rocking	[17:49]
SEWilco2	porsh_aka_shishi: See http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=PluginAnnotation	[17:50]
porsh_aka_shishi	MatWho: I just want to upload my code for wikiplugin annotation...... i have accounts at tikiwiki.org,sourceforge.net, joined the svn commit mailing list, downloaded subversion......what should I do next? I went through http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Where+to+commit , so I know it has to committed to dev trunck branch	[17:50]
mib_32wx6s	do i remane _htaccess in apache or the wiki file	[17:54]
lphuberdeau	porsh, I would commit it to an experimental branch first you forked the code a long time ago and getting it to work might not be about copying files	[17:54]
ricks99	@mib_32wx6x: it is a file on your apache server. pls see this known issue: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=1963&trackerId=5&show=view	[17:55]
lphuberdeau	I can create the branch for you if you're on windows	[17:55]
porsh_aka_shishi	I am on linux ubuntu 8.04	[17:55]
lphuberdeau	ok, see http://dev.tikiwiki.org/SvnTips there is a section on experimental branches	[17:55]
porsh_aka_shishi	ok	[17:56]
lphuberdeau	I need to go offline for around 15 minutes	[17:56]
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lq_836	hi marclaporte Fatal error: Cannot redeclare installer_is_accessible() (previously declared in F:inetpubwwwrootwww.newwebdemo.ascertia.comwwwwikitikiwikitiki-install.php:11) do you have any idea about? Fatal error: Cannot redeclare installer_is_accessible() (previously declared in F:inetpubwwwrootwww.newwebdemo.ascertia.comwwwwikitikiwikitiki-install.php:11) in F:inetpubwwwrootwww.newwebdemo.ascertia.comwwwwikitikiwikitiki-install.php on line 15	[18:06]
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lq_836	Fatal error: Cannot redeclare installer_is_accessible() (previously declared in F:inetpubwwwrootwww.newwebdemo.ascertia.comwwwwikitikiwikitiki-install.php:11) in F:inetpubwwwrootwww.newwebdemo.ascertia.comwwwwikitikiwikitiki-install.php on line 15 any idea about this error, trying from IIS, PHP and mysql	[18:15]
marclaporte	porsh_aka_shishi : & all : annotations plugin used in production : http://ui.tikiwiki.org/Forums	[18:18]
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marclaporte	porsh_aka_shishi: : did you sort out the licenses?	[18:20]
MatWho	marclaporte: I am helping him get the branch set up	[18:20]
marclaporte	thanks!	[18:21]
porsh_aka_shishi	marclaporte: I don't there should be any problem with me using the the two code snippets....as the author has clearly permitted to use them anywhere one of the code has also LGPL licence the other has no associated license...and can be used till I mention the credit notice he told	[18:26]
marclaporte	yes, I understand but we need something more clear	[18:27]
porsh_aka_shishi	So what should I do?	[18:28]
marclaporte	He should pick among a major license the one which corresponds to his wishes Are you in email contact with author?	[18:28]
porsh_aka_shishi	no So you believe he should take a license for his other code?......One already has LGPL license which as you said is perfect	[18:28]
marclaporte	yes, it would make things better/clearer imagine if a company asks me what the license of TikiWiki is and I say, well, it's mostly LGPL, but there is a part which ...	[18:29]
porsh_aka_shishi	but the thing is the other code has no license..its just for free use by anyone Still I will email him asking him to get a license preferably LGPL for the other code but what if he doesn't get it?	[18:31]
marclaporte	I will send you email template	[18:32]
porsh_aka_shishi	thanks :)	[18:32]
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Caarrie	any comments or requests as to what else Tikiwiki\|bot can do?	[18:44]
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SEWilco2	How do I clear text wrapping around an image? My tall image is stabbing the following section and I want to make next section appear after end of image.	[18:50]
Caarrie	luciash: you around?	[18:50]
marclaporte	porsh_aka_shishi: : you have mail	[18:50]
porsh_aka_shishi	yeah I got it	[18:52]
marclaporte	most of the time, people say yes to dual license or they don't answer if email doesn't work, hunting them on IRC can :-)	[18:53]
lphuberdeau	what's the other licence?	[18:53]
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porsh_aka_shishi	marclaporte: So should I wait for him to response before committing the code? *respond	[18:56]
marclaporte	no, commit early	[18:58]
luciash	re Caarrie: yup ?	[18:59]
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Caarrie	you have any suggestions for more features for Tikiwiki\|bot ;)	[19:00]
luciash	SEWilco2: put it in class="clearfix" Caarrie: no idea, you can learn from what former tikibot did at tw.o	[19:01]
Caarrie	maybe	[19:02]
SEWilco2	luciash: OK, I think there's a DIV plugin for that.	[19:02]
Caarrie	link?	[19:02]
luciash	http://tikiwiki.org/tikibot	[19:03]
Caarrie	Caarrie looks	[19:03]
luciash	>two tikibot	[19:03]
Sug4r	http://tikiwiki.org/tikibot	[19:03]
luciash	:) but then what will Sug4r do ? :-p	[19:03]
Caarrie	hehe no idea ;)	[19:04]
luciash	it can do different tricks ;)	[19:04]
amette	>roulette	[19:08]
Sug4r	click	[19:08]
amette	puh that's Sug4r's killer-feature ;)	[19:08]
SEWilco2	Well, just don't load any ammo before it pulls that trigger.	[19:09]
Caarrie	well off hand i know i can add a google search no problem ;)	[19:09]
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Caarrie	also a !learn script i can do [as i have one already] if you want one ;) the talk on channel i can do too :P Caarrie goes about adding scripts to do the above if no one complains	[19:10]
luciash	amette: g, your favorite one :)	[19:14]
Caarrie	which?	[19:14]
luciash	>g tikiwiki	[19:14]
Sug4r	Search took 0.229324 seconds: info.tw.o - Welcome to TikiWiki CMS/Groupware : HomePage: <http://tikiwiki.org/>; tw.o : TikiWiki CMS/Groupware : Home: <http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php>; TikiWiki - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TikiWiki>; SourceForge.net: TikiWiki CMS/Groupware: <http://sourceforge.net/projects/tikiwiki>; TikiWiki for Education : HomePage: (2 more messages)	[19:14]
luciash	i mean the roulette though this was google search Caarrie: look for what Sug4r cannot do ;) >list	[19:14]
Sug4r	Admin, Alias, Anonymous, Channel, Config, Factoids, Filter, Fun, Google, Lookup, Misc, Owner, Seen, Services, and User	[19:15]
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Caarrie	i am first looking for scripts i have already ;)	[19:16]
luciash	>list Misc	[19:16]
Sug4r	action, apropos, author, contributors, help, hostmask, last, list, more, notice, plugin, private, revision, source, tell, and version	[19:16]
amette	luciash: yup :)	[19:16]
luciash	etc. ;) Caarrie: you can query Sug4r in private msg	[19:16]
Caarrie	ok	[19:16]
SEWilco2	>g g	[19:17]
Sug4r	Search took 0.175964 seconds: Gmail: Email from Google: <http://mail.google.com/>; G - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G>; g -force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-force>; MTA NYC Transit Subway Line Information: <http://www.mta.info/nyct/service/gline.htm>; G .Loomis Home Page: <http://www.gloomis.com/>; Type G Electric (2 more messages)	[19:17]
luciash	>list alias	[19:18]
Sug4r	about, add, am, any, are, bug, can, devtwo, doctwo, enlight, g, googldev, googldoc, googltwo, googlwiki, greet, h3110, have, helloya, help?, hey, hey,, how, hug, ideas?, infotwo, is, item, lock, luckydev, luckydoc, luckytwo, luckywiki, pingy, polom, pong, remove, s4y, sug4r, talk, teach, ti, two, unlock, wassup, what, when, which, whisper, who, whois, why, wish, and you	[19:18]
SEWilco2	>g what Sug4r cannot do ;)	[19:18]
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Sug4r	Search took 0.236539 seconds: MySpace.com - Br0wn Sug4r - 16 - Female - Constanta - www.myspace ...: <http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=102730376>; MySpaceTV Videos: -[] + SUG4R -G00N+ []- Video Channel: <http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.channel&ChannelID=205116860>; Application: Sug4r - DENIED: (3 more messages)	[19:18]
Caarrie	opps	[19:18]
SEWilco2	There, as requested I searched for what Sug4r cannot do.	[19:18]
luciash	LOL Sug4r: is another bot needed in this channel ? what do you think ?	[19:19]
Sug4r	The answer is def-- oooh! shiny thing!	[19:19]
luciash	yea, another shiny ass :D	[19:20]
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luciash	metal ass :-p	[19:20]
SEWilco2	>enlight Tikibot	[19:20]
Sug4r	(enlight <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for <<say $1: [whatis $2]>>	[19:20]
Caarrie	!google tikiwiki	[19:21]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Sorry, no search results were found.	[19:21]
Caarrie	:(	[19:21]
luciash	>enlight SEWilco2 tikibot	[19:21]
Sug4r	Error: No factoid matches that key.	[19:21]
SEWilco2	Aww, Sug4r can't teach Tikibot.	[19:21]
Caarrie	Caarrie does not know what is up with that script	[19:21]
luciash	>enlight SEWilco2 Sug4r	[19:21]
Sug4r	SEWilco2: 'Sug4r' could be a male reincarnation of H0ney	[19:21]
SEWilco2	>polom	[19:22]
Sug4r	polom :)	[19:22]
Caarrie	spin the bottle	[19:22]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Caarrie spins the bottle ..... Where it will point nobody knows .... Round and round it goes ..... Round and round it goes ..... and it slows and comes to a stop ... pointing at ..... grobda24!!!! Now Caarrie you must hugs grobda24!!!	[19:22]
Caarrie	O :O :P	[19:22]
luciash	ugh :-p	[19:22]
Caarrie	Caarrie pokes amette	[19:22]
amette	ouch	[19:22]
SEWilco2	>spin the bottle	[19:22]
Tikiwiki\|bot	SEWilco2 spins the bottle .....	[19:22]
Caarrie	like that script? ;)	[19:22]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Where it will point nobody knows .... Round and round it goes ..... Round and round it goes ..... and it slows and comes to a stop ... pointing at ..... porsh_aka_shishi!!!! Now SEWilco2 you must kiss porsh_aka_shishi!!!	[19:22]
amette	a bit noisy, but nice	[19:23]
Caarrie	i can take a few lines out	[19:23]
amette	>roulette	[19:23]
Sug4r	click	[19:23]
amette	is so straight-forward :)	[19:23]
SEWilco2	>g spin the bottle	[19:24]
Tikiwiki\|bot	SEWilco2 spins the bottle ..... Where it will point nobody knows ....	[19:24]
Sug4r	Search took 0.374007 seconds: eSPIN-the- Bottle — teen chat, fun quizzes, good times!: <http://www.espin.com/>; Spin the bottle - Wikipedia , the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_the_bottle>; Spin the Bottle (Angel ) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_the_Bottle_(Angel_episode)>; Spin the Bottle \| Media Education Foundation: (2 more messages)	[19:24]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Round and round it goes ..... Round and round it goes ..... and it slows and comes to a stop ... pointing at ..... CIA-55!!!!	[19:24]
amette	yeh, probably taking a couple of lines out makes sense	[19:24]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Now SEWilco2 you must hugs CIA-55!!! Sug4r spins the bottle ..... Where it will point nobody knows ....	[19:24]
Caarrie	spin the bottle	[19:24]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Round and round it goes ..and it slows and comes to a stop ... pointing at ..... amette!!!! Now Sug4r you must kiss the mouth of amette!!! Caarrie spins the bottle ..... Where it will point nobody knows .... Round and round it goes ..and it slows and comes to a stop ... pointing at ..... marclaporte!!!! Now Caarrie you must explain what you feel for marclaporte!!!	[19:24]
Caarrie	i took 2 out :P !say help me i am trapped in a bot's body :( !say #tikiwiki help me i am trapped in a bot's body Caarrie pokes Tikiwiki\|bot	[19:24]
Tikiwiki\|bot	help me i am trapped in a bot's body	[19:25]
Caarrie	./msg Tikiwiki\|bot !say #tikiwiki help me i am trapped in a bot's body	[19:25]
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Caarrie	!quote	[19:28]
Tikiwiki\|bot	./quoteittw.data does not exist. You'll need to add quotes to the database first by typing !addquote <a quote>	[19:28]
Caarrie	!addquote <Tikiwiki\|bot> help me i am trapped in a bot's body !quote	[19:28]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Random quote on the way <Tikiwiki\|bot> help me i am trapped in a bot's body	[19:28]
SEWilco2	Having trouble finding a clear incantation. This doesn't wait until image ends: {TAG(tag=BR, class="clearfix")}{TAG} I do see .clearfix in CSS.	[19:29]
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luciash	SEWilco2: wrap a div around the image SEWilco2: or does the img syntax allow class ? or just put {TAG(tag=div, style="clear: both")}{TAG} after the image or put %clear% there and set the dynamic variable to <br style="clear: both" />	[19:33]
SEWilco2	luciash: I'll try that	[19:36]
luciash	next time you only use %clear% again	[19:36]
SEWilco2	The clear:both did the trick. My .clearfix does have that defined, but didn't seem to be working.	[19:37]
luciash	the most clear way would be class="clearfix" directly on the image though	[19:38]
Caarrie	!google tikiwiki	[19:38]
Tikiwiki\|bot	info.tw.o - Welcome to TikiWiki CMS/Grou @ http://tikiwiki.org/ \| tw.o : TikiWiki CMS/Groupware : Home @ http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php \| TikiWiki - Wikipedia, the free encyclope @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TikiWiki \| info.tw.o - Welcome to TikiWiki CMS/Grou @ http://info.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=homepage	[19:38]
SEWilco2	Yea, this is great Grou ware.	[19:39]
Caarrie	!learn Tikiwiki is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution	[19:40]
luciash	>googldoc clearfix	[19:40]
Sug4r	No matches found (Search took 0.613648 seconds)	[19:40]
luciash	>googldoc syntax	[19:40]
Sug4r	Search took 0.203552 seconds: doc.tw.o : Tikiwiki Documentation : Wiki- Syntax Text: <http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=wiki-syntax+text>; doc.tw.o : Tikiwiki Documentation : Wiki- Syntax Tables: <http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Wiki-Syntax+Tables&bl=y>; doc.tw.o : Tikiwiki Documentation : Wiki- Syntax Images: <http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Wiki- (3 more messages)	[19:40]
luciash	>more	[19:41]
Sug4r	Syntax+Images&bl=y>; doc.tw.o : Tikiwiki Documentation : Wiki- Syntax Lists: <http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Wiki-Syntax+Lists>; doc.tw.o : Tikiwiki Documentation : Advanced Wiki Syntax usage ...: <http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Advanced%20Wiki%20Syntax%20usage%20examples&structure=Documentation>; doc.tw.o : Tikiwiki Documentation : Wiki- Syntax Lists: (2 more messages)	[19:41]
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luciash	SEWilco2: according to wiki help you can use class on img syntax	[19:44]
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luciash	SEWilco2: {img src=http://example.com/foo.jpg width=200 height=100 align=center imalign=right link=http://www.yahoo.com title='Yahoo Website' rel='shadowbox[gallery];type=img' desc=foo alt=txt usemap=name class=xyz}	[19:44]
Caarrie	!learn Tikiwiki is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution !learn add Tikiwiki is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution	[19:45]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Difinition added	[19:45]
Caarrie	?? tikiwiki	[19:45]
Tikiwiki\|bot	tikiwiki: is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution	[19:45]
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marclaporte	luci now admin on ui.tw.o	[19:45]
luciash	marclaporte: tks	[19:45]
SEWilco2	luciash: Thanks, I'll try to keep that in mind. Actually, I'll update the WikiSyntax for Images page.	[19:46]
luciash	but i'd prefer admin on doc.tw.o more ;) hint hint, amette :-p SEWilco2: great, thanks	[19:46]
Caarrie	anyone can now teach Tikiwiki\|bot ;) via !learn add and recall the entry via ?? <keyword>	[19:47]
marclaporte	hahahah	[19:48]
luciash	Sug4r: learn Tikiwiki\|bot as a bot trying to be more clever than Sug4r	[19:48]
Sug4r	OK, here we go!	[19:48]
Caarrie	Caarrie laughs	[19:48]
luciash	Sug4r: whatis Tikiwiki\|bot	[19:48]
Sug4r	'Tikiwiki\|bot' could be a bot trying to be more clever than Sug4r	[19:48]
luciash	:D	[19:48]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	hey i can be clever, i can even be smart if i take time	[19:49]
Caarrie	do we have a seen <who> script in this channel?	[19:50]
luciash	>when amette	[19:51]
Sug4r	Sure	[19:51]
luciash	g	[19:51]
Caarrie	sure ?? what type of reply is that???	[19:51]
luciash	>last --from amette	[19:51]
Sug4r	[20:24:11] <amette> yeh, probably taking a couple of lines out makes sense	[19:51]
luciash	Sug4r has his own brain problems sometimes ;) >last --from Caarrie	[19:51]
Sug4r	[20:51:18] <Caarrie> sure ?? what type of reply is that???	[19:52]
luciash	is that enough for seen ?	[19:52]
Caarrie	Caarrie does not think so	[19:52]
luciash	i can make an alias for it even ;) >seen	[19:52]
Sug4r	(seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself.	[19:52]
luciash	>seen Caarrie	[19:53]
Sug4r	Caarrie was last seen in #tikiwiki 20 seconds ago saying: * Caarrie does not think so	[19:53]
luciash	g	[19:53]
Caarrie	!seen luciash	[19:53]
luciash	Sug4r: hey, nobody beats you up ;)	[19:53]
Sug4r	You're kidding, right?	[19:53]
Caarrie	!seen Caarrie	[19:53]
luciash	luciash loves bots which try to make you feel stupid	[19:55]
Caarrie	hehe	[19:55]
SEWilco2	Does one of the bots respond to: Is anyone here? Is anyone on?	[19:55]
Caarrie	!seen luciash i could make a reply to that !seen dogs	[19:55]
SEWilco2	What is a good reply to "Can I ask a question?" and "I have a question" and "I have a problem"	[19:56]
Caarrie	just ask and wait for a reply?	[19:56]
SEWilco2	Maybe a good reply is "Just ask, don't ask to ask"	[19:57]
Caarrie	ok lets see if i can make the script work ;)	[19:57]
SEWilco2	SEWilco2 waits for luci to finish editing a page. Ping luciash	[19:59]
porsh_aka_shishi	lphuberdeau: In which experimental branch directory at https://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tikiwiki/branches/experimental/ should I commit?	[20:00]
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Caarrie	Caarrie is not the best script writer :P	[20:02]
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Caarrie	can i ask a question? "can i ask a question?" "can i ask a question?" :(	[20:03]
porsh_aka_shishi	lphuberdeau: do I need to to create a separate experimental branch directory at https://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tikiwiki/branches/experimental/ ?	[20:04]
Caarrie	Caarrie looks at her script again question	[20:04]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc	[20:06]
Caarrie	that is not right :P	[20:06]
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Caarrie	question	[20:06]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, Please just ask your question, dont ask to ask, someone will reply if and when they know the answer. Welcome again and please stay awhile	[20:06]
SEWilco2	Yeah, it's not specifying if it's English Empire or British Empire.	[20:07]
luciash	SEWilco2: only if you ask Sug4r directly	[20:07]
Caarrie	SEWilco2: that good?	[20:07]
SEWilco2	Can I ask a question?	[20:07]
luciash	Sug4r: Is anyone here? Is anyone on?	[20:07]
Sug4r	No idea.	[20:07]
Caarrie	i dont have it fully working so far ;) just the text so far	[20:07]
SEWilco2	question	[20:07]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, Please just ask your question, dont ask to ask, someone will reply if and when they know the answer. Welcome again and please stay awhile	[20:07]
Caarrie	i have a question "i have a question" Caarrie looks at it again	[20:08]
luciash	Caarrie: most common is "may i ask a question?" imho	[20:09]
Caarrie	i am working on it luciash ;)	[20:09]
luciash	so "question" or "ask"	[20:09]
Caarrie	i have a question "may i ask a question?" Caarrie kicks Tikiwiki\|bot question	[20:10]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, Please just ask your question, dont ask to ask, someone will reply if and when they know the answer. Welcome again and please stay awhile	[20:12]
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Caarrie	i have a question	[20:14]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, Please just ask your question, dont ask to ask, someone will reply if and when they know the answer. Welcome again and please stay awhile	[20:14]
Caarrie	Caarrie is confused i have a question	[20:15]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, Please just ask your question, dont ask to ask, someone will reply if and when they know the answer. Welcome again and please stay awhile	[20:16]
Caarrie	:D may i ask a question may i ask a question	[20:16]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, Please just ask your question, dont ask to ask, someone will reply if and when they know the answer. Welcome again and please stay awhile	[20:17]
Caarrie	may i ask a question?	[20:17]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, Please just ask your question, dont ask to ask, someone will reply if and when they know the answer. Welcome again and please stay awhile	[20:17]
Caarrie	question	[20:17]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, Please just ask your question, dont ask to ask, someone will reply if and when they know the answer. Welcome again and please stay awhile	[20:17]
Caarrie	that good for now? any more to add? change?	[20:17]
	tw	[20:23]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc Channel. TikiWiki or better known as TW, is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution, you can get more infomation at http://info.tikiwiki.org/ .	[20:23]
Caarrie	what is tw	[20:23]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc Channel. TikiWiki or better known as TW, is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution, you can get more infomation at http://info.tikiwiki.org/ .	[20:23]
Caarrie	what is tw.o	[20:23]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, tw.o is better known as http://tikiwiki.org or the official website of the project. Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc Channel. TikiWiki or better known as TW, is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution, you can get more infomation at http://info.tikiwiki.org/ .	[20:23]
Caarrie	hehe what is tw.o	[20:23]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, tw.o is better known as http://tikiwiki.org or the official website of the project. Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc Channel. TikiWiki or better known as TW, is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution, you can get more infomation at http://info.tikiwiki.org/ .	[20:24]
Caarrie	tw.o	[20:24]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, tw.o is better known as http://tikiwiki.org or the official website of the project.	[20:24]
Caarrie	Caarrie pokes luciash	[20:25]
SEWilco2	testing mention of doc.tw.o within a sentence Good, no response.	[20:28]
Caarrie	doc.tw.o is not in the script ;) should i add it?	[20:29]
SEWilco2	Caarrie: Not unless there's something worth saying.	[20:29]
Caarrie	ok ;) does the "3 rules" have a bot that replys?	[20:29]
SEWilco2	luciash: In case you're interested I created a new section: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Wiki-Syntax+Images&bl=n&saved_msg=y#Clearing_text_wrapping Ick, that's an ugly URL. Hmm, I didn't find the right incantation for hiding HTML within a code block.	[20:30]
luciash	>whatis 3rules	[20:35]
Sug4r	'3rules' could be 1. Preserve Environment 2. Commit early, Commit often 3. Make it Optional ( for more info see http://dev.tikiwiki.org/3rules )	[20:35]
Caarrie	ok ;)	[20:35]
SEWilco2	What's WikiSyntax which displays <BR> so it shows as text instead of browser swallowing it?	[20:38]
luciash	~np~<br />~/np~	[20:41]
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marclaporte	porsh_aka_shishi: : yes, you need to create a new experimental branch but lphuberdeau would know the details	[20:42]
SEWilco2	luciash: The browser sees <BR> and gobbles that up.	[20:43]
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SEWilco2	porsch_aka_shishi: Maybe you should rename ANNOTATE if it does something different from the existing plugin	[20:45]
luciash	also if you want to clear after some longer text flowing around an image you can wrap the image an the text in a {DIV(class="clearfix")}...{DIV} and it will clear after	[20:46]
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SEWilco2	luciash: In Preview <br> was invisible but it is visible if the page is saved. Hmm.	[20:48]
luciash	there are some inconsistency bugs in preview <> after save :( they're minor but can be annoying	[20:48]
SEWilco2	They're not minor when you're trying to edit with/of/against them.	[20:55]
Tikiwiki\|bot	SVN: Commit by lphuberdeau :: r 15898 /branches/experimental/annotation/: [BRANCH] Creation, trunk 0 to 15897	[21:00]
Caarrie	Caarrie changed seen scripts !seen Caarrie !seen luciash !lastspoke Caarrie !lastspoke Caarrie .lastspoke Caarrie	[21:04]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Caarrie last uttered a word on #tikiwiki less than a minute ago.	[21:08]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	SVN: Commit by pkdille :: r 15899 /trunk/templates/ (2 files): [MOD] indenting code - no changes	[21:18]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	SVN: Commit by pkdille :: r 15900 /trunk/ (6 files in 2 dirs): [MOD] & [KIL] replace pagination.php/tpl with pagination_links in 2 grids. Remove pagination.php/tpl which is no more used	[21:47]
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Caarrie	signing in at info.tw.org and i get Error XMLRPC Error: 5 - Didn't receive 200 OK from remote server. (HTTP/1.0 500 Internal Server Error) ?	[22:51]
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Caarrie	.seen frankP*	[23:07]
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Caarrie	!lastspoke marclaporte .lastspoke marclaporte	[23:11]
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Caarrie	!tikiwikibugs	[23:14]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #2193 - Newsletter plain text is lost - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=2193 Recent Bug: Tracker item: #2194 - catorphan plugin only seems to work with wiki pages?? - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=2194 Recent Bug: Tracker item: #2195 - Character substitutions in page names, search engine, usernames, etc. - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=2195	[23:14]
Caarrie	http://tikiwiki.org/TikiBot has been updated ;) to include some of the "major" commands for the bot	[23:25]
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