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cndIs there any such thing as a "negative permission" or "negative category" ?
For example...
At my school - we've got a "Year 4" category - so any staff, students, or parents in year 4 can see this content.
How would we let teachers choose to prevent parents from seeing selected pages ?
(hint - there's 13 years at the school, so we've got just over 13 categories at the moment. I don't like the idea of creating an additional 13 categories just to separate out the parents...) 		[05:26]
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chibaguycnd, I don't think there's a negative permission. [05:48]
genkianyone ever setup intertiki or is able to offer a little help? [05:50]
chibaguygenki, did you check the doc page? [05:50]
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genkiyes, I followed the instructions last night with the doc page...I'm still experiencing difficulties
i've deleted my "client" intertiki and started again 		[05:51]
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genkion my "master" tiki in the "intertiki" features section, the default for "intertiki slave mode" is "as master" but i've been told I need it to be "no"
when I click no and save, it automaticaly reverts back to "as master"......could this be a problem 		[05:53]
chibaguyAt tikiwiki.org, it just says "no".
It's a dropdown, but only contains "No"
What version of Tiki are you using? 		[05:56]
genkiso i've been told....I can't seem to set my "master" tiki to "no" i've even cleared the cache
2.2 		[05:56]
chibaguyHmm. same. [05:57]
genkiI've disabled the intertiki feature and re-enabled it [05:58]
chibaguyNo other information in the "Intertiki client" section, right? [05:58]
genkicorrect....nothing ticked
nothing written 		[05:58]
chibaguyI wonder where that "as master" is coming from. [05:59]
genkiwhen you set up the "client" machine the "as master" drop down appears [05:59]
chibaguycnd, I'm not sure about permission strategies these days, as it's been a while since I've done much with them.
genki, right, I see that at the slave site. 		[05:59]
genkiis there a way to reset the defaults on my "master" [06:01]
chibaguyI'd be tempted to check the database directly to see if the "as master" is being stored there. [06:02]
genkihow do i do that? I am not a super computer wiz.... [06:02]
chibaguyWell, phpMyAdmin running on your site would be the tool to use. [06:03]
genkiokay, loggin in now..never used this though...can you hold on a sec while I try ?
ok, so where in the database do you reckon "as master" is kept? 		[06:04]
chibaguyProbably in the tiki_preferences table. [06:05]
genkiokay....i'll check there
hrm...any idea what the name might be? 		[06:05]
chibaguyShould be like intertiki. [06:07]
genkii don't think it's there i've only got 30 entries, none look close to being intertiki
any other ideas?/ 		[06:07]
chibaguyOnly 30 entries in tiki_preferences?
chibaguy has 24 pages of 30 rows each. 		[06:08]
genkioops..nope more than that...i didn't see the thingy on the top...sorry...Told you i'm a newbie [06:08]
cndWell - I'm *very* happy with how all the permissions stuff has worked out for our school install so far. I'm probably going to try an upgrade from 2.2 to 3.0, get commit access, experiment with fixing some trivial things, then investigate adding a new "tiki_p_block_categorized" permission into the meltingpot, and adjust any relevant code to make it work :-) [06:09]
genkiAha!! found it.. intertiki_mymaster page 18 of 20....hrm..now what? [06:10]
SEWilco2cnd: There's an admin option for something like "all categories must allow permission". Maybe that would help. [06:10]
chibaguyIs intertiki_mymaster in the preferences "name" column? [06:11]
genkiyes....actually it is " feature_intertiki_mymaster " with NO value to the right [06:12]
chibaguyWell, you can delete that row safely. Any other rows containing "intertiki"? [06:14]
SEWilco2cnd: Also, specific permissions override general ones. So if group "Parents" has permissions for Group "Permissions - No Parents" which do not include read permission, then that specific permission overrides general permissions. [06:15]
genkithere is also a "feature_intertiki_server" enabled with "n" [06:15]
chibaguyYou can delete that, too. I don't think it should make a difference tho. [06:19]
genkiokay. shall i just go through and delete all the "intertiki" entries [06:20]
chibaguyYes. [06:20]
genkisweet! Then I'll give it another go..Thanks again for your help. you are always patient! [06:20]
chibaguygood luck. :-) [06:21]
genkiyeah! I think it now works!! [06:28]
chibaguy:-) [06:28]
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genkiarrrgghhh!!!! no luck Chibaguy!
"unable to connect remote server"
contact rather 		[06:38]
chibaguyHow does your master intertiki admin page look? Is the dropdown showing "as master" again? [06:40]
genkinope, it's back to the default "NO" ... [06:41]
chibaguyThat's progress. [06:42]
genkiyes....MUCh progress actually. I spent quite a long time fiddling last night with that
okay, hrm. wonder where the problem now lies
if i've got the master tiki slave tiki hosted at the same site, would that make a difference 		[06:43]
chibaguyI don't know.
Doesn't seem like it, but I don't really know. 		[06:48]
genkiwhen you put down your IP address do the folders make a difference?
for example www.mysite.com would have the same ip address as www.mysite.com/tiki 		[06:49]
chibaguyyes, same ip address [06:53]
genkiaha...ok, so the "remote.php" file location....in my tiki root dir yes.. [06:54]
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genkiso when I write the location if my tiki is www.mysite.com/mytiki then will the location be /mytiki/remote.php [06:54]
luciashpolom [06:58]
genkigrrrrrr i'll try again tomorrow..thanks chibaguy [07:00]
luciashhowdy chibaguy [07:02]
chibaguyhi luciash [07:10]
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CIA-50tikiwiki: 03sept_7 * r16399 10/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs):
tikiwiki: [ENH] tiki-editpage : it is now possible to set the level of section you want
tikiwiki: to edit. 		[09:51]
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chibaguyWhat does "level" mean, in tiki-editpage? Is that related to staging? [10:06]
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luciashno idea, you have to wait for sept [10:27]
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cndSEWilco2: that's a pair of excellent ideas! I'll try the both of them out. Once again - I'm embarrased I didn't think of that myself. Too many late nights and not enough caffene is my excuse :-) [11:42]
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CIA-50tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r16400 10/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): remarksbox [13:10]
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CIA-50tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r16401 10/trunk/templates/ (tiki-adminusers.tpl tiki-assignuser.tpl): [FIX]intertiki: the warn ing was not exact. The master groups are only added not sync on the slave [14:11]
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CIA-50tikiwiki: 03sept_7 * r16402 10/trunk/lib/tikilib.php:
tikiwiki: [FIX] edit_section : we need to ignore !* in non-parsed (~np~) or pre (~pp~)
tikiwiki: section, else we go the section number wrong... 		[15:16]
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CIA-50tikiwiki: 03Jyhem * r16403 10/trunk/templates/tiki-admin-include-login.tpl: [ENH] Go directly to the correct tab
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r16404 10/trunk/templates/tiki-searchindex.tpl: [FIX] when not giving search results yet, display "Search" as the page title 		[15:40]
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r16405 10/trunk/tiki-searchindex.php: [FIX] when not giving search results yet, display "Search" as the page title [15:54]
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CIA-50tikiwiki: 03sept_7 * r16406 10/trunk/styles/transitions/2.0to3.0.css: [FIX] edit_section : put the icon in the right place... well I think [16:03]
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luciashhm, does highlighting on trunk work for you ?
when searching 		[16:23]
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CIA-50tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r16407 10/trunk/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX] Applying post filter to avoid the initial flag to also catch Eacute when searching for A [16:36]
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CIA-50tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r16408 10/trunk/_htaccess: [FIX] was breaking iepngfix.htc [16:58]
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ohertelHello! :) [16:59]
sylvieghi ohertel [17:01]
luciashheya :) [17:01]
ohertelHm, is there a problem with tiki-setup.php? [17:01]
sylviegmarclaporte: I think we will have to roll back the rewrite for page with . - th list will never stop [17:01]
ohertelBoth branch-2.0 and trunk give me a broken version.
It's about 6-7k each and stops right in the middle of nothing. ^^
So all the taballs are borked because of this.
tarballs 		[17:01]
luciashi've just upgraded my trunk and it works
maybe it's fresh install problem ? 		[17:02]
ohertelNo install.
only checking out from svn.
At work I DLed the tarball today and wondered why it didnt work. Now I checked and the tiki-setup.php is broken in the tar file. 		[17:02]
marclaportesylvieg: yes, it's very tricky [17:04]
ohertelbtw. do we need both, BRANCH-2-0 and trunk? or trunk only?
both script do an rm -rf before the svn export, so it can't be old files or something... strange.
scripts 		[17:04]
luciashfull disk ?
:-p 		[17:07]
ohertelAvailable: 442120408
No. .P
use 3% ,) 		[17:07]
luciash:) [17:08]
ohertelI'll try the update script manually, maybe it's a cron thingy... ,)
We already had the weirdest things with cron already... at work. Under Solaris, though, not linux. =)
Solaris is YUCK anyway. ^^ We were trying to find a really strange memory problem for a long time. Until we found out that the bug is in the "tail" command we were using to hunt down the bug in the logs. .D 		[17:09]
luciash*g* [17:11]
ohertelIt just ate up like 2GB of memory within seconds under certain conditions. .D
And we throught it was a bug in our application. ^^
Ok, did an export of trunk and the tiki-setup.php is broken again.
Last line is "$smarty->assign('tiki_uses_cvs', $TWV->cvs);" 		[17:11]
marclaportesylvieg: : lph has a proposal for .htc/.pdf, etc [17:15]
luciashohertel: hmm, i have the same here but my tiki works [17:16]
ohertelI'll checkout on windows now, too. [17:16]
JyhemI agree with the issue with the list of exceptions to wiki page names with "." -> it can't work, the list is infinite [17:17]
ohertelluci: what I do is: svn export https://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tikiwiki/trunk trunk
Is that wrong somehow? ,) 		[17:17]
CIA-50tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r16409 10/trunk/_htaccess: [FIX] Rewrite rules to lookup for existing files before applying rules [17:18]
Caarriesvn co https://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tikiwiki/trunk trunk
checkout ^^ 		[17:18]
ohertelI dont want a 'working' copy, only a copy for tarballing it, it export not good for that? [17:18]
luciashohertel: i do checkout and svn up then only but to avoid svn dirs export might be correct [17:18]
JyhemI've been thinking on the lines of calling the wikipages something like www.example.com/wiki/page.name_with.dots.or.not instead of trying www.example.com/page.name_with.dots.or.not [17:19]
ohertelCan someone else try a fresh export? ^^ [17:19]
JyhemEasier to separate what is a wiki page from the rest, no ? [17:20]
ohertelOkay, eclipse with svn gives me the same broken tiki-setup.php.
147 lines only. 		[17:20]
luciashohertel, i have the same [17:21]
ohertelbroken too? [17:21]
luciashtry diff or last commit msg if anything changed [17:21]
ohertelor eclipse+svn? ,) [17:21]
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luciashi don't consider it broken as it doesn't break my tiki, just the same length ;) [17:21]
ohertelBut it's incomplete! [17:22]
luciashi understand [17:22]
ohertelstarts with <?php and ends with $smart->assign(...); ... thats definitely borked. ^^ [17:22]
Caarriehttp://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/trunk/tiki-setup.php?view=log [17:24]
ohertelhm... [17:26]
Caarrieseems to have been like that for months ohertel [17:27]
ohertelSo it is broken and no one ever found out? [17:27]
luciashare you sure trunk uses that file still ? [17:27]
ohertelIf not, why is it still in then? [17:28]
Caarrieluciash: if not why was it modified 13 days ago? [17:28]
luciashno idea :)
but someone said closing ?> is not mandatory in php and for some reason it should be like that
iirc 		[17:28]
ohertelSorry, but not closing tags is pretty bad style. No? [17:29]
luciashfor some other problems [17:29]
lphuberdeautiki-setup is still used... no questions on that [17:29]
luciashyes, i wouldn't do that either ;) [17:29]
ohertelAnd at work I tried to run it and got "premature end" or something like that. ,) [17:30]
lphuberdeauwhich PHP version? [17:30]
ohertelNo idea. 5.something. [17:30]
luciashit's maybe in newer php versions, dunno, see the logs who introduced it [17:30]
Caarrieohertel: the export does work here [17:31]
ohertelphp files should always close, so you know that you have the full file and not just the half.
Caarrie: yah, and ending NOT with ?> too, right? :)
the tiki-setup.php I mean 		[17:31]
Caarrieohertel: as i said above it is the same for months in svn ;) [17:31]
ohertelBut that doesnt make it any better. .P [17:32]
luciashweird, i can't see it in the logs... might be it was another file [17:34]
lphuberdeauI can confirm that trunk works... [17:35]
ohertelOk, no broken tarball then, only a 'weird' one. .D [17:35]
lphuberdeaumay not be the tarball that's broken
no ?> at end of file is valid PHP 		[17:37]
ohertelYah, but it confused me a lot. So why not close it... it looks so incomplete. :) [17:38]
lphuberdeauthe purpose of not closing it is that you have less risks of having characters after the end and break headers... many bad IDEs keep adding lines at the end [17:39]
ohertelah okay.
Breaks your neck if you set stuff in php with trailing whitespace and then try to set headers... "headers already set" ... I know that one. ^^ 		[17:39]
luciashmaybe we can put a comment into the file at the end [17:41]
ohertelset -> sent
// stop reading here .) 		[17:41]
luciashto prevent other confusions ;) [17:41]
lphuberdeau// ?> [17:42]
ohertelgood idea. :) Last time I tried a fresh checkout I got this problem with categories, where I didnt see the ...categorized permission and therefor couldnt get stuff working. [17:43]
Caarrieohertel: http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/trunk/tiki-setup.php?r1=9585&r2=9595 ;) look at the last line of the diff
nyoth did that commit it seems 		[17:43]
ohertelah there it is... or better: there it went. ,) [17:44]
Caarrie" * remove some optional php closing tags to reduce risks (e.g. headers sent too early due to carriage return after the closing tag)"
no idea what that means though 		[17:44]
ohertelYah I remember, see above. :)
if you set stuff in php, and inbetween or the end is a linebreak or a space, and then you try to set http headers, you get an error like "headers already sent".
And if you use the ?> then it seems the chance is great that some bad IDE / editor adds a linefeed or something, breaking the application. :) 		[17:44]
CaarrieCaarrie knows almost no php
do you still need the tar? 		[17:46]
ohertelNo, but thanks for checking. [17:47]
Caarrieabout 2 minutes and it will be uploaded :P [17:47]
ohertelNo, dont need it, as I know it will be the same as mine. :) [17:48]
CaarrieCaarrie nods [17:48]
CIA-50tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r16410 10/trunk/lib/tiki-js.js: [FIX] Suppress alert("Handler could not be removed") when addEvent fails [17:48]
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CIA-50tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r16411 10/trunk/lib/setup/prefs.php: [FIX]wysiwyg: it makes no sense to check semi parsed and parsed - only one [18:30]
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SEWilco2Any idea why a G1 phone insists on showing source HTML of http://mobile.theredbulls.org/ instead of the TW mobile page? [19:06]
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CIA-50tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r16412 10/trunk/tiki-pagehistory.php: [FIX]history: fix source for html page [19:20]
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CIA-50tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r16414 10/trunk/templates/tiki-editpage.tpl: [FIX] no wysiwyg if no javascript
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r16415 10/trunk/templates/tiki-editpage.tpl: oops 		[20:04]
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CIA-50tikiwiki: 03patrickallard * r16416 10/trunk/templates/tiki-searchresults.tpl: [ENH] Re-indenting and improving search results to make many things optional, as adjustable in tiki-admin.php?page=search [20:47]
btiffinIs there any way to have blog posts sorted by creation date ASCENDING; (oldest first)? [20:55]
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SEWilco2btiffin: See if /tiki-view_blog.php?blogId=1 offers a sortable date column. I don't remember one.
btiffin: Nope, not seeing a date sort either. http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_blog.php?blogId=26 		[21:06]
Tikiwiki|botRecent Bug: Tracker item: #2264 - closing tracker items make them appear in since_last_visit_new module as ... - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=2264
Recent Bug: Tracker item: #2265 - Send to a URL or page upon logout - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=2265
Recent Bug: Tracker item: #2266 - Trackers category listing does not use categories hierarchy - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=2266 		[21:18]
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Lateral?? HI - I want users to be able to be notified if a Wiki page changes. how do I achieve this? RSS is not really it, I want the users to be able to select which page they want to watch. [21:45]
CIA-50tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r16417 10/trunk/lib/setup/prefs.php: [MOD] Turning off a few experimental features on a default install. Please revert if you feel these features should be on. [21:47]
btiffinLateral, Did you try the Eyeball Monitor this page icon? I'll be honest, I've never [21:57]
LateralBtiffin - No - New to this and trying to get my head around it all - The documentation is very expansive and hard to find the wood for the trees
I'll go look for this EYE Ball icon - where do I find it?
Is it a module? 		[22:00]
cndLateral: at the bottom of each page - there's a little icon that looks like an eyeball
If users click it - they get an email anytime the page changes 		[22:01]
LateralI don't see this lcon - sounds like what I want [22:02]
cndClick into the "Admin" page, then into the "Wiki" section
There's probably a config option in there to allow users to subscribe to wiki pages that you need to turn on. 		[22:02]
Lateraldone that
ok looking 		[22:03]
cnd(I know there's an option - just not 100% sure which admin panel it lives in) [22:03]
btiffinLateral; With the theme we use; it's top right of each page along with the edit/print/save to notepad icons [22:04]
LateralI see wiki watch - I just turned all on [22:04]
cnd(yeah - sorry - I forgot that I made my own theme and moved everything around :-) [22:04]
LateralI'll just check a page - thks for this help, by the way [22:04]
cndIf it doesn't work immediately - you need to click the 3 "cache exterminator" icons in the system menu [22:05]
Lateralgood tip - I'll go find them [22:07]
btiffinUmm; Lateral; The top two wiki watch settings means auto-set watch if you edit or author; might be overkill for some users [22:07]
LateralYes - just trying to get the icon up and then back off settings [22:08]
btiffinAnd under my My Tiki menu there is a My Watches; Do you see that menu item? [22:09]
LateralDid the cache exterm - still can't see the eyeball -
um - I go look
ok - might be onto something - My tiki menu display is weird
my user is different somehow 		[22:09]
btiffinUnder Admin; Features; User tab User Watches is set there it seems [22:11]
CIA-50tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r16418 10/trunk/tiki-download_file.php: notice [22:11]
LateralI need a few minutes to figure this out - this help is great [22:11]
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btiffin:) Tiki is a fair sized beasty. I've got to convince some of our team that it ISN'T too big, but just right for an ALL-IN system. ;) [22:13]
Lateralbingo - that's got it
This is one hell of a program - I stumbled over it from MediaWiki because I wanted group control
I'm going to tell my boss to throw some cash at this - I guess there is a "donations" or support page somewhere
Ok - got the eyeball now and seems to work
thks 		[22:14]
CIA-50tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r16419 10/trunk/lib/core/ (6 files in 3 dirs): [MOD] Adding basic support to fetch plugin info and repair broken tests by path changes in files
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r16420 10/trunk/_htaccess: oops
tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r16421 10/trunk/tiki-user_preferences.php: [INDENT] No changes 		[22:20]
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SEWilco2I'm seeing an error in the third cache flush option with SEFURL postfilter on. tiki-admin_system.php?do=temp_cache
Actually, I'm getting a DB error message on my trunk test site, although I don't see what's wrong in the DB message. 		[22:26]
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CIA-50tikiwiki: 03sewilco * r16422 10/trunk/db/features.csv: [FIX] spelling [22:41]
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mapkookanyone successfully get TikiWiki 2.2 running on Windows with IIS/MySQL/PHP ?? [23:37]
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looking for help with TikiWiki 2.2 install on Windows ... [23:52]
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sylviegbetter to tell what is your problem - got some IIS install in 1.10
:-( 		[23:54]
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