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| CIA-71 | tikiwiki: 03luciash * r16819 10/trunk/lib/smarty_tiki/block.tabs.php: [NEW] tabs smarty block: easier way of generating tabs in a smarty template TODO: some optional params for class, etc.
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r16820 10/trunk/templates/tiki-admin-include-general.tpl: [ENH] introducing tabs smarty block: propagate everywhere ;) | [00:21] |
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| CIA-71 | tikiwiki: 03luciash * r16821 10/trunk/templates/tiki-admin-include-features.tpl: [ENH] introducing tabs smarty block: propagate everywhere ;) | [00:35] |
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| CIA-71 | tikiwiki: 03luciash * r16822 10/trunk/templates/tiki-admin-include-look.tpl: [ENH] introducing tabs smarty block: propagate everywhere ;) | [01:18] |
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| CIA-71 | tikiwiki: 03luciash * r16823 10/trunk/templates/tiki-admin-include-general.tpl: [ENH] commiting the AdminUIRevamp improvements by ricks99 (http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Regrouping+the+General+Admin+page) | [02:19] |
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| vector | tikiwiki is pretty cool, I just started using it but I have some questions
I created a couple of accounts that have admin rights as well as other rights and wrote an article. Then I create a regular user account (from an admin via add user) but whent I log in as that user, no articles can be seen Is there an automatic role/scoping feature going on here? If an admin writes an article, only admin's can see it? wow, active channel here...:) | [03:14] |
| ricks99 | @vector: did you give the other groups permission to read/view articles?
@luciash: OMG! glad u thought it was good enough to use... i guess i'll start on other admin panels ;) | [03:21] |
| vector | I looked at permissions for registered users and saw that they could submit. I suppose I assumed that if they could submit then they could read as well | [03:23] |
| ricks99 | no. submission <> read | [03:24] |
| vector | Yes, I know they are not equal...nevertheless, submit would be intuitively a "higher" function and one would expect that if one has submit then one would have read?? | [03:26] |
| ricks99 | nope. tiki has *highly* configurable perms
see docs for details | [03:27] |
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| vector | I would say it probably needs better defaults then. Being able to submit articles that can not even then be read is sort of silly | [03:49] |
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| Tikiwiki|bot | You can get a more complete list of commands that work with this bot at http://tikiwiki.org/TikiBot . | [03:53] |
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| stripmind | new user here. I've been working within the kubrick template, and when I place a module within a wiki (center column), the module displays as if it's width were limited by the witdh of the left or right column. I've noticed that other templates (moreneat, for example) do not do this. I was hoping someone might either point me in the right direction for figuring out how to correct this, or...
...advise me not to bother, as there may be a better solution that I'm not aware of. | [05:11] |
| chibaguy | stripmind, the module widths are set by the theme CSS file. Sometimes div.box (the module's container) is specified. Sometimes the side column widths.
In the case of Kubrick, it's the module box, so you can add div.wikitext .box {width: 100%} (or whatever) to kubrick.css. | [05:12] |
| stripmind | thanks chibaguy. I'll check it out. | [05:16] |
| chibaguy | ok | [05:16] |
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| vector | OK, I am still having trouble. The permissions page claims that tiki_p_read_article is inherited from Anonymous but both anonymous and the registered user I am testing with can not read the article I created from the admin account
It does not even show up on the article home page ehlo? | [05:32] |
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| SEWilco2 | vector: Which version of TikiWiki? And are there Categories involved which have permissions? | [05:41] |
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| chibaguy | vector, maybe some confusion about terms. "article" isn't a wiki page.
It's a news-type article. (just making sure on this point) tiki_p_view is the permission to see wiki pages. | [05:42] |
| moj0rising | hi. I've enabled the search modules to my wiki but they are not appearing on the site for any users other than the admin user. I've checked the documentation and the forums but didn't see anything on this. Has anyone seen this problem before?
I'm running v2.2 btw | [05:55] |
| chibaguy | moj0rising, I suspect there's a permission needed for Registered or Anonymous group (depending on who you want to use the search). | [05:57] |
| moj0rising | So by that do you mean something different by the group permissions whereby you can associate that module with the groups who's pages you would like the module to appear in?
...checking the admin console now... | [05:57] |
| chibaguy | Check the "Group" link under "Admin" in the default menu... | [05:58] |
| moj0rising | k... | [05:58] |
| chibaguy | tiki-admingroups.php
Then the "key" icon for the group concerned. The perms are a long list so I usually search in page for, say, "search".... ...there's a tiki_p_search that needs to be assigned. | [05:59] |
| moj0rising | bizarre. that worked. :) | [06:00] |
| chibaguy | bizarre? | [06:01] |
| moj0rising | tiki_p_search, yep. was just going to say. | [06:01] |
| chibaguy | ah
:-) | [06:01] |
| moj0rising | haha. yeah. I would have never guessed that.
but it works so I'm happy. thanks a ton, chibaguy. | [06:01] |
| chibaguy | Recently categories have been given more permission powers, so if you use categories and run into permission problems, check the perms again...
... for, like, tiki_p_search_categories or whatever might help. | [06:02] |
| moj0rising | ah. all right. I'll try to remember that too. basically, I'll try to remember whenever I can't get something to work or appear, I should check that permissions page as well as anything else that might be pertinent. | [06:03] |
| vector | Well tiki_p_view is checked as well
also inherited from Anonymous | [06:04] |
| chibaguy | Is it a wiki page or article that can't be seen? | [06:05] |
| vector | not sure what the difference would be between an article and a news-article but in the menu on the left side where it has all the features like Blogs, Forums, etc...there is one for Articles
What is the one I am using..should I not be? | [06:06] |
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| chibaguy | By article I mean what's seen at tiki-view_articles.php. Sometimes people say article when they mean a wiki page, so I wanted to be clear.
Are you using categories, and is the article categorized? | [06:08] |
| vector | I did specify some categories but I do not recall if I gave it one
Is that a prerequisite for viewing to function? Ahh, just checked...I did put it in two categories and I do recall seeing something about an "auto assigning permissions" checkbox which was always checked while I was creating them | [06:09] |
| chibaguy | Ok, then there's a tiki_p_view_categorized perm that needs to be given. | [06:10] |
| vector | AHH...thank you! | [06:10] |
| chibaguy | about auto assigning, I think that may mean the permission is inherited by subcategories, but am not really sure... | [06:11] |
| vector | makes sense...thnx | [06:11] |
| chibaguy | or by objects in the category. | [06:11] |
| vector | Doh, another dead end...it is already checked for both Anonymous and also for registered since it inherits anonymous
tiki_p_view_categories and tiki_p_view_categorized are both checked for anonymous | [06:12] |
| chibaguy | If perms were changed recently, sometimes you need to log out and back in to see the effects. | [06:13] |
| vector | haven't needed to change any yet...all the ones people are referring to area already granted event to anonymous | [06:14] |
| chibaguy | Or clearing the caches never hurts (tiki-admin_system.php) | [06:14] |
| vector | no good...still nothing | [06:15] |
| chibaguy | About articles in particular, they have a publish date, so be sure that time has arrived already, for regular visitors to see them. | [06:15] |
| vector | except for users with admin rights
Good call, but again, published over a day ago | [06:15] |
| chibaguy | hmm | [06:17] |
| vector | maybe it isn't approved?? | [06:17] |
| chibaguy | that could be it | [06:17] |
| vector | Hmm, when I click on "View Submissions" as an admin there is nothing listed
and the article does show up (only as an admin) in that little "since your last visit" box where it says "new articles" which is wierd because it is always there even though it isn't new since my last visit.. Expire date says 2010 so that isn't it visible flag says "y" | [06:17] |
| chibaguy | last visit is last logged-in session, so that'll display unless you log out and back in (regarding that point)
but I've noticed some quirks there too so maybe how the browser handles cookies could also be involved. Time zones aren't a factor are they? | [06:19] |
| vector | perhaps...I really just need anonymous and registered users to be able to view the articles getting submitted.
I don't think so. The article has been published for the better part of a day Tiki is configured for 0 hours ahead or behind GMT but in reality I am about 7 hour behind it but the time is set correclty Hey, I noticed something...there is a view_articles_header permission that I do not see in the "assign permissions" list of permissions while editing groups or individual users I do however see that permission when editing the permission for the specific article. and they appear not to be granted on that article...not sure why though.. Was it because it was authored using an account with administrative rights? | [06:21] |
| chibaguy | It shouldn't matter, I think. | [06:27] |
| vector | Yeah, it has something to do with the categories...I just removed it from categories and now anonymous is picking it up again.
very odd | [06:28] |
| chibaguy | I see the tiki_p_articles_read_heading permission in the list but it isn't checked on my site, but doesn't seem to have an effect on article viewing.
Articles should be able to be categorized and still be visible according to permissions, so I don't know what the problem might be. | [06:28] |
| vector | How do you get rid of that Tikiwiki Assistant box on the left bottom side of the screen? I think I know my way around the menus, and have all the doc home pages for tikiwiki book marked so it really isn't adding value at this point | [06:30] |
| chibaguy | That box is a module, so go to tiki-admin_modules.php and click the remove icon (X). | [06:30] |
| vector | Ahh, is that a place where I can place custom assistance for users of my site??? | [06:32] |
| chibaguy | Yeah, "Create new user module". | [06:33] |
| vector | I see it keeps changing context based on the page I'm on.... | [06:33] |
| chibaguy | what does? | [06:33] |
| vector | The tikiwiki assistant
can I customize what shows up in there for anonymous users, registered users, etc..? I want to thank you for all your help! You've been awsome! | [06:33] |
| chibaguy | Sure, no problem. Also check doc.tikiwiki.org and the Tiki for Smarties site.... just a second...
http://twbasics.keycontent.org/ | [06:34] |
| vector | wow...sweet! | [06:35] |
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| stripmind | thanks, chibaguy for the css pointer. looks fine now. | [07:02] |
| chibaguy | ok, great.
Probably for Tiki 3 it'll be default behavior for modules to be full-width in the wikitext. | [07:03] |
| stripmind | cool | [07:04] |
| chibaguy | People can always put them in a div of specified width if they want them narrower. | [07:05] |
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| stripmind | one of the modules I'm trying to place within the wiki is a forum-display module that would show last posts from only a specific forum. Since I've got numerous forums, and not all are relevant to a particular wiki page, I thought there might be an id parameter for setting that limit, like there is for {gallery id=n} or {poll id=n}, but I don't see that as a possibility for defining the...
...existing "forums_last_topic" module. I've tried creating user modules with things like: {forum id=8 max=5}, and also placing the existing module in the wiki as: {MODULE(module=>forums_last_topics,id=>8,align=>left,max=>5) /} I've been reading the smarties guide on placing forums in wikis, as well as the docs on modules, module admin, and the predefined forum modules, but no luck. Am I missing something or do i need to edit tpl or php files? | [07:45] |
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| luciash | polom polom polomorning | [09:20] |
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| stix | Hi guys. At the bottom of all my wiki-pages, the content of the page's category is shown. Can you remember where I turn this off? | [09:26] |
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| luciash | ricks99: you're welcome
stix: Admin > Wiki iirc | [09:28] |
| stix | is iirc short for something? Cannot find it | [09:29] |
| luciash | "if i remember correctly"
:) | [09:29] |
| stix | oh :) | [09:30] |
| luciash | lemme have a quick look | [09:30] |
| stix | sry | [09:30] |
| luciash | hmm i don't find it either
now i'm not sure if it's optional actually | [09:33] |
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| stix | it has to be - I get a huge list of pages on each wiki | [09:34] |
| luciash | stix: you can workaround it by removing tiki_p_view_categories permission from the group i think but then your users cannot browse the categories too | [09:35] |
| stix | the users has to be able to browse the category as I list the contents of categories on different wikis | [09:35] |
| luciash | stix: what version and theme ? maybe it's hardcoded in the theme tpl file | [09:42] |
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| stix | yes I am using a custom theme and running version 2.2
do you know what I should be looking for? | [09:55] |
| luciash | stix: templates/styles/your_theme/tiki-show_page.tpl | [09:57] |
| stix: found out there's feature to be switched off for it | [10:05] | |
| stix | oh nice | [10:05] |
| luciash | feature_categoryobjects | [10:05] |
| stix | what is it called? | [10:05] |
| luciash | have to find the GUI for it still ;) | [10:05] |
| stix | okay :) | [10:06] |
| luciash | stix: ok, it's on Admin > Category | [10:07] |
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| stix | yes, they are gone now :)
thanks for helping | [10:08] |
| luciash | np :) | [10:08] |
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| Kutti | Hi everybody, how to create the workspaces in aulawiki? can you help plz?
is there anybody ? | [10:17] |
| damian | damian just having breakfast | [10:20] |
| chibaguy | Kutti, sorry, I'm here but have no experience with aulawiki. | [10:21] |
| Kutti | ok chibaguy, thanks | [10:25] |
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| Kutti | anybody else knows abt aulawiki? | [10:28] |
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| luciash | Kutti: wait for xavi or ask at users mailing list or TW forums | [10:39] |
| Kutti | luciash: how do i go to user mailing list | [10:45] |
| luciash | Kutti: http://sourceforge.net/projects/tikiwiki
Kutti: click on Public then Mailing Lists there's tikiwiki-users you can subscribe there | [10:49] |
| mycomputer | Hello everyone : I am still looking to the trackers and I succeeded in creating a tracker and a field your name. I wanted it to try to if it works. I have no problem as administrator but I do have one with a registered user. I give the permission to the registered users group to be able to watch, insert a new item. When I try to insert a new item as a registered user, I have a link "insert a new item" but not field is displayed
I also actived the option "Field is public" And the Field is not hidden | [10:57] |
| Kutti | Thank s luciash, i will wait for xavi to come, | [11:01] |
| mycomputer | The field is visible by registered users and editable by admins
The permissions that I activated for the registered users are : tiki_p_create_tracker_itemsDelete, tiki_p_list_trackersDelete, tiki_p_view_trackersDelete, tiki_p_watch_trackers | [11:01] |
| luciash | mycomputer: what version and theme ? | [11:08] |
| mycomputer | version 2 and darkroom theme
It shows the name of the field when I activate the option "Field is mandatory?" but not when I do no activate this option | [11:08] |
| luciash | what type of field is that ? | [11:15] |
| mycomputer | I tried two : textfield and textarea | [11:17] |
| I have this as admin http://cjoint.com/data/cumwqaHd4C.htm | [11:22] | |
| luciash | hmm
ok :) i'll look | [11:22] |
| mycomputer | and this as registered user http://cjoint.com/data/cumxz50kP4.htm
thanks luciash | [11:23] |
| luciash | for votre nom i'd use text field, not textarea | [11:24] |
| mycomputer | I try
give the same problem | [11:24] |
| luciash | you need tiki_p_modify_tracker_items
to Registered or Anonymous | [11:27] |
| mycomputer | OK. I will look | [11:28] |
| luciash | err, sorry, you shouldn't need that for creating new items | [11:30] |
| mycomputer | No that gives still the same problem | [11:30] |
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| mycomputer | ok | [11:30] |
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| mycomputer | Should I try to change of theme ?
I tried the default theme but still the same probem :) | [11:31] |
| luciash | didn't you selected Visible by: on tiki-admin_tracker_fields.php ? | [11:34] |
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| mycomputer | When I go to this page I have the following message : No tracker indicated
Euh sorry mistake I chose the option registered users for visible by | [11:36] |
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| mycomputer | The field is also public and not hidden
http://cjoint.com/data/cumN53Ygzw.htm | [11:38] |
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| luciash | mycomputer: i just created test tracker on my 2.2 SVN copy and it works
mycomputer: do you want my tracker export ? | [11:42] |
| mycomputer | yes
I'm curious to know what I did wrong : I guess something stupid :) | [11:43] |
| luciash | http://pastebin.com/d63bb21e5 | [11:45] |
| mycomputer | thanks. I try it
I have imported it : I try to create a field to see if it works | [11:46] |
| luciash | create item or field ? textfield "Subject" should be already there | [11:49] |
| mycomputer | there is no such textfield | [11:50] |
| luciash | ah, damn, you're right, it exports/Imports only tracker but no fields
i think i have to use Export CSV data | [11:52] |
| mycomputer | I created a field and still the same problem :) | [11:53] |
| luciash | lemme send you the csv file | [11:54] |
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| mycomputer | How does it works exactly? How to import it? | [11:55] |
| luciash | mycomputer: get it here → http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=693&page=UserPageluci | [11:57] |
| mycomputer | thanks I downloaded it | [11:59] |
| luciash | you save it to your disk and then go to tiki-admin_trackers.php?trackerId=1 > Import/Export > Import CSV data | [11:59] |
| mycomputer | ok I did it | [12:01] |
| luciash | and my Group has these perms: tiki_p_create_tracker_items, tiki_p_list_trackers, tiki_p_view_trackers | [12:01] |
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| luciash | mycomputer: last thing i hope you did in case you upgraded: tiki-admin_system.php?do=templates_c
gotta go out for a dogwalk, lemme know, bbl | [12:02] |
| mycomputer | I have set the same permissions
Strange. Still the same problem | [12:04] |
| luciash | isn't your tracker categorized ? | [12:08] |
| mycomputer | Sorry I do not understand. What do you mean? | [12:09] |
| luciash | if you categorize some object you have to take care of the permissions of the categories
cleared the cache ? on tiki-admin_system i'm running out of ideas and now i really must go with the dog ;) | [12:12] |
| mycomputer | OK thanks for everything :) | [12:13] |
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| ricks99 | hi all :) | [12:39] |
| luciash | hi ricks99 | [12:42] |
| ricks99 | hi luciash | [12:43] |
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| ricks99 | the admin: general still needs some tweaking (espeically in ie) | [12:54] |
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| ricks99 | is there still a need for the "other" tab?
not very meaningful.... i think i'd prefer to see those options elsewhere | [13:07] |
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| luciash | ricks99: sorry, was in jabber talk with xavi :)
ricks99: yup, but Other or Misc is sometimes very useful when ppl don't know where to put it ;) | [13:18] |
| ricks99 | gonna try tinkering a bit more... | [13:21] |
| luciash | luciash is lookiing forward to use http://phplens.com/lens/adodb/docs-adodb.htm#php5 drivers with Tiki
ricks99: you maintain info.tw.o ? | [13:25] |
| ricks99 | +/- | [13:29] |
| luciash | i'll send you logo in the style of doc.tw.o
sent ricks99: how was the link to 2.x version ? of info.tw.o | [13:31] |
| ricks99 | last i saw it was ok, but some intertiki issues? | [13:35] |
| luciash | yes, intertiki doesn't work because current info.tw.o is 1.9 or something
i cannot login there | [13:36] |
| ricks99 | log in current site, then manually switch url in ur browser bar (worked for me) | [13:37] |
| luciash | i cannot login in current info.tw.o site and i forgot the link to the 2.y test
*2.x URL | [13:38] |
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| ricks99 | http://info.tikiwiki.org/2.0/ | [13:41] |
| luciash | ricks99: thank you | [13:47] |
| CIA-71 | tikiwiki: 03ricks99 * r16824 10/trunk/templates/tiki-admin-include-general.tpl: [ENH]UI tweaks. added more help links. css fixes for ie | [13:48] |
| ricks99 | 1 thing with the new logos... how to handle translation, with the text in the logo now? | [13:54] |
| luciash | ricks99: i am able to login to the 2.0 site, can we upgrade it to 2.2 and switch with the current ? | [13:54] |
| ricks99 | go for it | [13:54] |
| luciash | ricks99: do you think it's so important to have these little quotes translated ? | [13:54] |
| ricks99 | well... i speak english 100%, so it doesn't matter to me :) | [13:55] |
| luciash | ricks99: but we can remove tham and overlay with real text also
ricks99: if you feel it as an issue | [13:55] |
| ricks99 | again, im a native english speaker so issue at all for me. simply an observation | [13:56] |
| luciash | :D
ricks99, the observer :) | [13:56] |
| ricks99 | the *english-speaking* observer | [13:56] |
| luciash | CMS/Groupware is also untranslantable ;) | [13:56] |
| ricks99 | i guess as long as the ALT is translated, it will b ok | [13:57] |
| luciash | i'll try to dig out the login credentials to info.tw.o server | [13:57] |
| ricks99 | k. and reset theme to thenews to match other sites | [13:58] |
| luciash | ricks99: thanks for the login trick ;) | [13:58] |
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| luciash | ricks99: why you re-added the <table class="admin"><tr><td> to the general admin again ? | [14:04] |
| ricks99 | to force the fielset width to 100% (in ie)
otherwise, they are all different widths and look (IMHO) bad | [14:04] |
| luciash | hmm, there must be other way than this workaround, i'll look into it
which IE ? IE6 or IE7 ? | [14:06] |
| ricks99 | ie 7 | [14:06] |
| luciash | ok | [14:06] |
| ricks99 | im sure u can find a better way. i also needed to add the clear:both to the parent divs to fix indentation issues | [14:06] |
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| luciash | adding width: 100% for fieldset in thenews.css should help | [14:09] |
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| ricks99 | y. ideally all the style info should be moved to the css. i was a bit hesitant, however. how to introduce a new admin/global style to *all* css? | [14:12] |
| chibaguy | ie7 handles 100% widths in strange ways IIRC, so needs to be watched. I don't recall the details offhand. | [14:21] |
| luciash | hey gary, right | [14:22] |
| chibaguy | Maybe ie6 could get a px width for the admin page fieldsets. | [14:22] |
| luciash | ricks99: there's css/admin.css iirc
ricks99: or transitions css chibaguy: that would be fixed then, or how would you count it ? | [14:22] |
| ricks99 | @chibaguy. id prefer to replace all PX with EM measurements, this way they scale better when users select different sizes
@lucicash.. ahhh admin.css. VERY good | [14:23] |
| luciash | ricks99: em's are useful only for IE, all the modern browsers scale px nicely | [14:24] |
| chibaguy | sure, if ie is ok with that, I am :-) . | [14:24] |
| luciash | also better rendering of px depending on your screen DPI set in Opera and FF than with ems or %, then they become too unreadable from my experience | [14:25] |
| ricks99 | ie is (IMHO) pretty modern. i know ya'll are anti-MS, but in the real world IE still rules | [14:26] |
| luciash | but all depends on the base body font-size, so i also prefer em font sizes everywhere else | [14:26] |
| chibaguy | chibaguy snickers | [14:26] |
| luciash | ricks99: IE7 or 8 is pretty modern, i talk about IE6 crap
lol, snickers :D mars | [14:27] |
| chibaguy | :-) | [14:28] |
| ricks99 | crap is in the eye of the beholder. ie 6 still has a significant market share | [14:28] |
| chibaguy | about 22% or so, last I checked. | [14:29] |
| ricks99 | quite significant | [14:29] |
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| ricks99 | looking at anaylics, 29% of doc.tw.o visitors are ie6 (feb 1-14, 2009) | [14:30] |
| chibaguy | I think we should try to make our sites basically work in ie6, but I don't sweat minor layout problems in ie6 any more. It isn't worth it, I think. | [14:30] |
| luciash | market share doesn't talk about how "modern" the product is
ricks99: could you add a detect of IE6 to the Tiki installer and encourage Tiki admins to install IE7 at least ? ;) | [14:31] |
| chibaguy | For example, if modern CSS allows an enhanced appearance for modern browsers, then those browsers get it, but there's no need to work hard to emulate the effect with extra code for ie6. | [14:32] |
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| ricks99 | .... how about a detect any non-ie and redirect to ms.com :) | [14:33] |
| luciash | we have to kill that IE6 "modern" browser all together ;)
ricks99: even M$ itself would appreciate it if IE6 users upgraded to more secure browser like IE7 ;) | [14:33] |
| ricks99 | sorry, but for most folks operate under a "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality. i still have my win95 pc that's running just fine :) | [14:34] |
| chibaguy | I have a kind of split attitude. On the one hand I think we should encourage moving to modern browsers. On the other hand, we need to make Tiki as useable as possible for the largest user group possible.
And realistically, as Rick says, a lot of people do still use ie6. | [14:34] |
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| chibaguy | So for them, the site should be functional, at least. | [14:35] |
| Yoni | i agree we are getting into ie6 user all the time.
hi all :) | [14:35] |
| luciash | chibaguy: why do we release security upgrades/fixes then ? let users still use Tiki 1.7.2 ;)
yo Yoni it works too (until you get cracked :-p) | [14:35] |
| chibaguy | heh, well, we want to do the best we can on our side. | [14:35] |
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| chibaguy | hi Yoni | [14:37] |
| luciash | if we will support IE6 indifinitely, we will support unsecure crap and those people will never upgrade their browser ;) | [14:37] |
| ricks99 | again. if its woring. is it really "crap"? bluetooth is quite unsecure, but i see folks using it all the time | [14:38] |
| chibaguy | But I don't think they'll upgrade just because TikiWiki causes problems for them. They'll blame us for making bad software.
"all the other websites work." ;-) | [14:38] |
| Yoni | agree again | [14:38] |
| luciash | if all sites would stop to work in IE6 suddenly, that would be funny :) | [14:38] |
| chibaguy | Like right now I don't like seeing the javascript errors when I use IE to look at tiki sites. | [14:39] |
| Yoni | :) you suggest we wait for that ? | [14:39] |
| chibaguy | (but am too ignorant to fix) | [14:39] |
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| ricks99 | @luciash: still upgrading info.tw.o?
getting "XMLRPC Error: 5 - Didn't receive 200 OK from remote server. (HTTP/1.0 500 Internal Server Error) " on login | [14:40] |
| luciash | imagine how far we could be without caring for those IE6 and lesser incompatibilities... alpha transparent PNG support, no weird rendering bugs, resizable fonts, ... | [14:40] |
| chibaguy | Maybe we could start a movement to have a "Don't support IE6" day, as a protest. I'd be for that. | [14:41] |
| luciash | ricks99: not yet, the XMLRPC error is the intertiki incompatibility still | [14:41] |
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| ricks99 | or... imagine how many users we would loose if we we only focused on xperts :) | [14:41] |
| luciash | chibaguy: +1 :) | [14:41] |
| SEWilco2 | ricks99: "#!/bin/bash; # CGI for missing 200 OK error.; echo "200 OK"; # Copyright 2009 SEWilco" | [14:41] |
| ricks99 | goes back to ... what is the overall goal/roadmap? how do u measure "success" | [14:42] |
| chibaguy | Well, I think as a product, tw should support everyone possible. But as a principle, I agree with luciash that we should encourage leaving the old browsers behind. | [14:42] |
| luciash | ricks99: i think Tiki is worth of one little upgrade... imagine how many users we will loose now with PHP5 only support ;)
ricks99: this is more serious change to me than supporting IE6 fully | [14:42] |
| ricks99 | i agree (PHP upgrade). can u image GMC saying to car owners "sorry, if ur car is more than 5years old, the dealers will no longer service it) | [14:43] |
| chibaguy | Also tiki 3 has quite a big footprint.
Nearly 80MB. | [14:43] |
| luciash | ricks99: actually, that's what happens with old cars :-p | [14:44] |
| SEWilco2 | svn commit -m "[BUG] Fix IE6 problems with Theme config option to block access from IE6. Default message points to FF download page." lib/admin/adminlib.php | [14:44] |
| chibaguy | Or they just charge you so much it makes more sense to buy something newer.
Such as trying to repair electronic equipment these days. | [14:44] |
| luciash | SEWilco2 rocks ! :D :D :D | [14:44] |
| ricks99 | its cheapre for me to mainain my 1981 chevy than my '03 honda | [14:45] |
| SEWilco2 | luciash: If only it were that simple. :-) | [14:45] |
| ricks99 | * rick misses his carburetor | [14:45] |
| SEWilco2 | SEWilco2 teaches ricks99 how to use the sight on his shotgun. | [14:45] |
| chibaguy | OK, by that measure, let ie6 users fix their web browsing problems. | [14:46] |
| luciash | :D | [14:46] |
| ricks99 | they'll fix it by going elswehere
my joomla sites work fine in ie 6 ;) | [14:46] |
| chibaguy | true, which is why I say as a product, tw should support ie6. | [14:47] |
| SEWilco2 | chibaguy: Yeah, that's it. An AJAX tool which lets IE6 users edit their IE6 binary files. | [14:47] |
| chibaguy | :-) | [14:47] |
| luciash | your sites with content in tables you mean ? :-p | [14:48] |
| chibaguy | I wonder what the profile is on these ie6 users. I have to struggle to avoid having ie7 installed on my ie6 test box. | [14:48] |
| ricks99 | sorry. but blaming the end-user for using the 'wrong' browser is a typical developer-centric view. nothing wrong with that per-se, just not how i see things. 'nuff said | [14:48] |
| SEWilco2 | chibaguy: Publish the most-altered IE6 files of users who manage to return to the site with their modified browsers. Eventually someone will fix everything. :-) | [14:49] |
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| luciash | we support IE6, it works in it, but if ppl want modern look, they should upgrade to modern browser | [14:49] |
| chibaguy | i agree with that, luciash. | [14:49] |
| luciash | as far as it's accessible and usable i don't won't to bother to make it look exactly the same and polished in IE6 | [14:50] |
| SEWilco2 | Maybe it would help to support multiple browser-oriented versions of themes, so IE6 branches are isolated. | [14:50] |
| luciash | SEWilco2: no way | [14:50] |
| SEWilco2 | Browser-based themes might allow better support of phone browsers too. | [14:50] |
| chibaguy | There's some defacto sorting just based on what CSS each browser supports. | [14:51] |
| luciash | SEWilco2: no-one would be eager to maintaining it | [14:51] |
| chibaguy | Already we have gray backgrounds on icons in ie6 because they don't support png transparency. I think that's ok. | [14:51] |
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| SEWilco2 | luciash: It might make maintenance by IE6 people easier. But then they'd fix other things in their branch and not in main branch. | [14:52] |
| luciash | chibaguy: i agree
chibaguy: we could use that PNG fix for IE but it's waste of resources | [14:52] |
| chibaguy | unfortunately, the people using ie6 and the people who can fix things are two distinct groups with no individuals in common, I think. | [14:53] |
| luciash | SEWilco2: yep, it would lead in some weird IE6 forking :-p | [14:53] |
| SEWilco2 | luciash: As opposed to the present weird IE6 merging. :-[ | [14:53] |
| chibaguy | It's hard enough just finding people who run Tiki on Windows or test and fix with any IE browser. | [14:53] |
| luciash | *g* | [14:54] |
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| chibaguy | Questions about running on a Windows server usually go unanswered. We've had js error messages in ie for ages.... | [14:54] |
| luciash | i think at least admins of tiki should care about security and modern browsers... the benefits for them are enough reasonable to upgrade their browser... and for visitors the user part of website is pretty well usable and accessible even if they use IE6
admins as people who install their tiki i mean | [14:56] |
| ricks99 | i dont know. i think most tiki 'admins' are just regular users who want a website. | [14:57] |
| luciash | so fixing IE6 related bugs should be done mainly on the Tiki user side, not that much important in the Admin interface
yup, website for free and right now with no work, i see ;) | [14:57] |
| ricks99 | seriously. y. thats what i get with wordpress :) | [14:58] |
| luciash | and unlimited support with no contribution ;) | [14:59] |
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| chibaguy | My impression is we get all kinds of people who want to run Tiki, some are individuals, and some are doing it for a commercial project or organization. | [14:59] |
| ricks99 | 90 : 9 : 1 rule. 90% are consumers only -- no contribution. fact of life | [14:59] |
| chibaguy | Especially for the last two, I think it's good for us to make TIki solid on all browsers. | [14:59] |
| luciash | yep, i don't think most of our users are IE6 "i don't care" people | [15:00] |
| chibaguy | (but solid doesn't mean beautiful.) | [15:00] |
| luciash | so we wouldn't even lose too much on the other hand ;)
(on the admin interface side) | [15:00] |
| ricks99 | who do *you* see as the tiki target audience? commercial users/admins? | [15:01] |
| chibaguy | I worked in the office of one company in Japan were Win98 was still being used because "it works" and they didn't want to invest to upgrade. | [15:01] |
| luciash | we're not accessible to everybody anyway (requiring cookies, javascript on some parts, etc.) | [15:01] |
| chibaguy | So there was a lot of ie6.
Don't know how typical that is. | [15:01] |
| ricks99 | i think 'very' typical. if it ain't broke, don't fix | [15:02] |
| luciash | can't you install anything else on win98 for a browser ? i have a friend who used until last week win95 with Opera on it, because it was simply faster and more user friendly than IE | [15:03] |
| chibaguy | No, I think IE7 requires XP. | [15:05] |
| luciash | luciash can't imagine company with internet connection which doesn't let you install or use anything else than the most secure IE6 | [15:05] |
| chibaguy | Heh, these are people who run all MS products not realizing that these products are the cause of most security problems. | [15:06] |
| luciash | i see, but i wonder what percent of such important websites do not work in FF or Opera today
so they still have a choice to use something else on Win98 than IE7 | [15:06] |
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| luciash | nevermind, we'll not force IE6 users on the Anonymous or Registered user side to upgrade or change their browser or make it unusable in it but shouldn't we tell the Admin side that Tiki is much more fun with modern browsers ?
and secure ;) | [15:10] |
| chibaguy | That makes sense to me. Actually I don't think ie6 users actually miss any functionality, do they? Only small details of appearance afaik | [15:12] |
| ricks99 | * rick thinks u need more compelling reason thn "fun" | [15:12] |
| luciash | ricks99: s/fun/anything good/ ;) | [15:13] |
| ricks99 | again, if it is already working in ie6, why should i change? | [15:13] |
| chibaguy | Probably the security aspect + appearance would be the main reasons to upgrade, right? | [15:14] |
| luciash | chibaguy: i found two showstoppers recently for admins: one in FF and one in Opera | [15:14] |
| chibaguy | really? | [15:14] |
| luciash | >devtwo bug2323 | [15:15] |
| Sug4r | http://dev.tikiwiki.org/bug2323 | [15:15] |
| luciash | the other one i didn't report yet, but it's when assigning permissions to a group in opera the layout is broken making it inacessible | [15:16] |
| chibaguy | ah, I noticed the page columns were messed up in admin categories, but didn't look any closer... | [15:17] |
| luciash | chibaguy: the problem is it looks ok when there's no category yet, just after adding one it happens
chibaguy: right security + look and feel + better usability | [15:17] |
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| luciash | ricks99: what do you suggest to do with this ? abandon and delete ? → http://info.tikiwiki.org/info_tw_o_110/tiki-index.php | [15:23] |
| ricks99 | well... i guess we never got the 'super cool' new tw themes.
trash it i guess <sniff> <sob> | [15:24] |
| luciash | ok, sniff | [15:26] |
| Caarrie | Caarrie hands out tissues | [15:26] |
| ricks99 | it sure was a pretty experiment | [15:26] |
| luciash | thank you Caarrie, bueheheh | [15:27] |
| Caarrie | ;) yw :P | [15:27] |
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| luciash | ricks99: i've made a backup of the customized files to ~/backup/infotwo_110_revamp/ | [15:52] |
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| lq_954 | Hi. I'm running tikiwiki 2.2 as a brand new site for managers to share info. Trying to enable watches so they can track changes, but I get a database query error: "Column 'email' cannot be null. I don't know where it's trying to find the e-mail address to fix this. Or maybe it's some other problem. Any ideas for me? Not a techie, but I try hard. | [17:54] |
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| SEWilco2 | lq_954: In Admin>General make sure a email address is defined so we can label who the mail is from.
lq_954: Each user also needs their email address defined in Admin>Users (usually done when account is created). | [17:56] |
| lq_954 | I just verified that both of those are populated correctly.
It works if I'm logged in as admin, but not as a regular user. Perhaps a permissions issue? | [17:59] |
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| CIA-71 | tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r16826 10/branches/experimental/jquery/ (36 files in 9 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, trunk 16808 to 16825 | [19:32] |
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| danopia | hai | [19:38] |
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| tom-v415 | I'm considering using TikiWiki as part of project to author some online help - I was really impressed with the features that come "out of the box"...
including the translation stuff, and the ability to generate WebHelp in seconds But I noticed that the webhelp output didn't show any way to get to the translated version of the same pages.. So if I build a structure in English, translated it to Japanese... there was no way to get to the Japanese translation.. I'm curious about two things - how do I find the relevant bit of code that generates the WebHelp export? How should translated pages inside a structure link to eachother? Anyone familiar with this? | [19:56] |
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| SEWilco2 | tom-v415: A "grep -i webhelp *" reveals a file called tiki-create_webhelp.php exists. | [20:13] |
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| tom-v415 | SEWilco2: Thank!!
SEWilco2: that is...thanks | [20:39] |
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| SEWilco2 | tom-v415: You're welcome. De nada. Gre'chipt. | [20:43] |
| tom-v415 | arigato gozaimasu.. danke...etc.. :-) off to face the client... :-) | [20:56] |
| ricks99_ | @luciash: info.tw.o working fine now. tx! | [20:57] |
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| lq_577 | i'm trying to customize the tikiwiki login screen to look more or less like the sugarcrm login screen. can anyone help me? all i want is a box at the center, a user field, and a password field | [21:02] |
| ricks99_ | you can edit the base smarty template: ../templates/modules/mod-login_box.tpl | [21:03] |
| philback|away | @lq_577: kick the login box off the sidebar
make the home a secured wiki page and if not logged in, you'll get the login box | [21:05] |
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| philback|away | then move to style the mod-login_box.tpl look like sugarcrm (As I do use sugarCRM, I'dd better have a tiki-like login box is sugarCRM). Well, we do use VTiger now :-) | [21:07] |
| lq_577 | thanks.. made phill's changes already.. the tpl location was what i was looking for :)
when I edit the template, do I put it in a subdirectory called override or something? | [21:07] |
| ricks99_ | when customizing styles, it is best to create your own, rather than chagning the default. | [21:08] |
| philback|away | have to put it in a folder called after you style
e.g. mystyle.css --> mystyle/mystuff.tpl | [21:08] |
| ricks99_ | then tell tiki to use your custom style | [21:09] |
| philback|away | like use mystyle.css (will use your style stuff if exists, standard tiki tpls if nothing to be found) | [21:09] |
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| philback | question: what is the dojo lib for in the trunk ? | [21:10] |
| lq_577 | then somehow I direct the login module to use mystyle.tpl? | [21:10] |
| philback | and all the Zend framework seems to come too in Lib/ | [21:10] |
| ricks99_ | @lq_577: pls see docs: http://themes.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page_ref_id=10 | [21:10] |
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| lq_577 | basically what i'm trying to remove i 'Go back' 'Return to home page' and make the login box less massive. everything else is fine. i would also like to remove powered by tikiwiki on the login page, no need to broadcast that | [21:13] |
| ricks99_ | the GO BACK and RETURN TO HOME PAGE are *not* in the login module
these appear from the error page (you are trying to access a restricted page) you need to edit the error.tpl template | [21:15] |
| philback | sticking your copy inside templates/styles/<yourstyle>/modules/mod-login_box.tpl maybe ? | [21:16] |
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| philback | never tried with modules | [21:17] |
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| cpendleton | Hello, I am trying to perform a full wiki export from an older version of tikiwiki (1.9.4). I am given an export.tar to download, but the archive appears truncated after the letter C. Untarring the file produces errors and exits. Any ideas?
after wiki pages starting with the letter C that is | [21:27] |
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| cpendleton | or, put another way, is there a way to export the wiki pages from a command line or some other way? | [21:35] |
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| philback | mysqldump ? | [21:37] |
| cpendleton | sure, but I am looking to get the export in tikiwiki's export.tar format | [21:40] |
| philback | well, no clue then. | [21:42] |
| cpendleton | anyone know what might cause the export to truncate? php.ini setting, bugged tar library, etc? | [21:43] |
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| ricks99 | q: is there a way to "move'" a category (and its objects)? | [21:47] |
| cpendleton | here is the error produced when untarring export.tar: http://pastebin.com/d4e43fcf6 | [21:47] |
| ricks99 | For example, I need to move Top > Foo (and its objects) to Top > Foo > Bar
is his possible? | [21:47] |
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| cpendleton | can't you reparent the category? | [21:49] |
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| cpendleton | or, rename Foo to Bar, create a new Foo and make it Bar's parent? | [21:50] |
| lq_901 | ok.. so i've done some more customizing. now the only thing i'm stuck on is how to remove the the blue bottom bar from the login screen, and how to decrease the width of the cbox element which contains the login screen | [21:51] |
| ricks99 | duh! reparenting. of course
tx! | [21:51] |
| cpendleton | yep | [21:51] |
| ricks99 | @lq_901: u can edit the css | [21:51] |
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| lq_901 | ok... but wont it change the width for eveyrthing, not just the login? | [21:55] |
| ricks99 | u can apply the style directly in the TPL
<div style="width: XXXXpx"> ... you've already customized the TPL anyway, right? | [21:56] |
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| lq_901 | thanks should have thoght of that. | [21:59] |
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| marclaporte | polom
doc.tikiwiki.org issues are known? | [22:35] |
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| CIA-71 | tikiwiki: 03ricks99 * r16827 10/trunk/templates/tiki-change_password.tpl: [ENH]use consistent field names (from registration page), inform users of pw restrictions, show pw strength meter | [23:10] |
| sylvieg | I was not connected this lat 24 hours - my desktop died... is there a place where 'decisions' made in tikifestmadrid are described - I need to do 1) "send a mail to somebody to join a group" "automatic group creation" on item tracker creation with group tracker" or "group creation plugin with automatic tracker assigment' (I do not know yet which one) | [23:22] |
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| sylvieg | s/decision/consensus - I am sure I do not see all the aspects of the topic - but better to go in the general current | [23:24] |
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| marclaporte | sylvieg: : most of it was videotaped
I hope some people will fnd the time to edit and make available the most major/interesting idea that came out was "perspectives" | [23:29] |
| sylvieg | via ustream.tv? or a real video taping | [23:30] |
| marclaporte | real | [23:31] |
| sylvieg | was not able to understand erally the sound in ustream.tv on sunday/monday...
url? | [23:31] |
| marclaporte | Xavi has one part and matthew the rest
I don' I doubt it's already available because it need editing and compression before being usable on the web There are some pics on tikifest page (of whiteboard) | [23:31] |
| sylvieg | .. ok will do some plugins tomorrow - they can be replaced .. I am so late on this job... | [23:33] |
| marclaporte | I am very pleased http://info.tikiwiki.org/ has new theme and is at 2.2 | [23:33] |
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| marclaporte | thank you to whoever is responsible | [23:33] |
| sylvieg | sylvieg do not like this theme | [23:34] |
| enrique_hot85 | hi | [23:34] |
| sylvieg | it is why I never but it official | [23:34] |
| enrique_hot85 | hi
hi | [23:35] |
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| sylvieg | I remember some fight soem time ago about theme 'ennuyeux' with mose.. | [23:36] |
| marclaporte | sylvieg: did you see strasa.css?
I almost miss the fights with mose :-) | [23:36] |
| sylvieg | the one uses on info?
:-) sorry marc info is not sexy - or we do not have the same definition about 'sexy' straca wil be better - coe will be better - my 2 cents | [23:36] |
| marclaporte | it is not unlikely that sexy is different for you and I
you being a woman, and I, a man | [23:38] |
| sylvieg | between info.tw and joomla.org | [23:39] |
| marclaporte | joomla is much nicer | [23:39] |
| sylvieg | why not using one of gary style...
not newt ... we need more theme contributor perhaps.. | [23:40] |
| MatWho | Please let Soozy Pauline my two designers and me fix the two.p sites all o need is the name | [23:41] |
| sylvieg | MatWho: :-)
:-) | [23:41] |
| MatWho | Please give me the name | [23:42] |
| sylvieg | thx
name? | [23:42] |
| MatWho | Marc get me the name | [23:42] |
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| marclaporte | hehe | [23:42] |
| MatWho | Is it tiki tikiwiki or what | [23:42] |
| sylvieg | is the name so important ? | [23:43] |
| MatWho | He he is very anoying
The name it vital | [23:43] |
| sylvieg | which one will be more sexy? | [23:44] |
| MatWho | I can not do a design without the name | [23:44] |
| marclaporte | There are several bottlenecks in the way | [23:44] |
| sylvieg | I think both are ok now - th ecommunity is known with both name | [23:45] |
| MatWho | The important thing is can we have to trade mark | [23:45] |
| nkoth3 | Anyway, Tiki will be part of the name | [23:45] |
| marclaporte | some of which I have control, some, not | [23:45] |
| nkoth3 | it should be enough to design on | [23:45] |
| sylvieg | if to be conservative is not a problem to creativity - go for tikiwiki | [23:46] |
| marclaporte | We need somebody who is skilled with legal aspects to deal with lawyers and we need money to pay lawyers | [23:46] |
| sylvieg | if tiki opens doors - go for it | [23:46] |
| MatWho | Yes but it is silly for me to spend mony on a design if we get trade mark problems | [23:46] |
| sylvieg | so tikiwiki] | [23:46] |
| nkoth3 | we won't have any problem with tikiwiki
this one for sure | [23:46] |
| MatWho | We need a laser to check it put before we start | [23:47] |
| sylvieg | yeh | [23:47] |
| MatWho | Laser is laser
Laser is lawer | [23:47] |
| sylvieg | :-) | [23:47] |
| marclaporte | I need a budget for a lawyer
And I need someone to coordinate with this lawyer | [23:47] |
| MatWho | It is so simple please can you do it soon | [23:48] |
| sylvieg | simple to do a sexy desing? | [23:48] |
| marclaporte | or someone to take stuff off my plate so I may take the time to deal with lawyers | [23:48] |
| MatWho | I thought you had support fr some organisation in Canada | [23:48] |
| nkoth3 | that was me
But I haven't slept for the last 24 hours so I haven't had time to chase after the signature to pay for the lawyer | [23:49] |
| MatWho | Doing the design is very easy just sort the. Name out and we can start ok the design
Ok is on | [23:50] |
| sylvieg | MatWho: agree - it is only to have time - time to review code - time to write doc - time to simplify code ... a lot of time | [23:51] |
| MatWho | I have 3 briliant designers waiting to start
I thought pascal was sorting out the laser | [23:51] |
| nkoth3 | Matwho - surely it is possible to design based on TikiWIki, and should we decide to truncate to Tiki , or go one step further and try something like TikiWiki CMS/Groupware shortened, your design would still work | [23:52] |
| MatWho | No
No No | [23:52] |
| sylvieg | MatWho: please spend the minimum - only to have something a little bit more appealing | [23:52] |
| MatWho | No
I can only brief the designers with the name finalised sorry that is the only way they work I will use all the great work from the last tiki test wokshop as well | [23:53] |
| nkoth3 | anyway, when I am back in Canada next week I will chase after the person who promised to pay for the lawyer | [23:55] |
| MatWho | The result will be much better than jpomla
Pleas it pains me to wait much longer! | [23:55] |
| sylvieg | I agrre with MatWho - but my concern was only to give some red cheeks to info | [23:57] |
| MatWho | I dealt have made an incredible offer to the yw community here the designers are world class and you should not waste this oportunity | [23:57] |
| sylvieg | ?me missed something
if they can not wait ... it is tikiwiki | [23:57] |
| marclaporte | I am very pleased that there is all this energy and potential. I am sorry to say that with everything on my plate, with the work backlog, with Louis-Philippe gone, with RecentChangesCamp which starts in a few days, followed by TikiFest, and PhpQuebec Conference, and the 3.0 work, I am unable to invest time & money on the lawyers for the trademarks & all
I won't have free time for at least a month | [23:58] |
| MatWho | Ok so I can wait
Lot of other things to do:) | [23:59] |
| marclaporte | But there are many people in the community, it shouldn't slow because one person is too busy | [23:59] |
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