[00:01] * sylvieg thinks lph choose the right way to do this plugin 'permission'
[00:01] * amette agrees with sylvieg 
[00:01] <amette> it's a cool system :)
[00:01] <sylvieg> YEH
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[00:01] <sylvieg> lph did the right implementation
[00:02] <amette> yup :)
[00:02] <sylvieg> +! for lph
[00:02] <sylvieg> +1
[00:02] <amette> +1 :)
[00:02] <sylvieg> just need a mail feature
[00:02] <amette> yeah, and/or some overview-page
[00:02] <sylvieg> +1 for lph
[00:02] <amette> :)
[00:02] <amette> +1 for him :)
[00:03] <sylvieg> nkoth - nyloth - you are tired...
[00:03] <nyloth> yes :)
[00:03] <sylvieg> :-)
[00:04] <marclaporte> hahahahahah
[00:04] <amette> :)
[00:04] <sylvieg> lph was right on this
[00:04] <nyloth> and the night will be long here ("nuit blanche a Montreal")
[00:04] <marclaporte> :-)
[00:04] <sylvieg> the implemention is perfect + what marc just said
[00:05] <sylvieg> yeh
[00:05] <sylvieg> thx gary it is perfect
[00:05] <nyloth> sylvieg: we are waiting for you and will leave CGCOM just after your arrival... wasn't it the plan ? ;)
[00:06] <amette> yup, nyloth! that's the plan! ;)
[00:06] <Jyhem> exactly like I remember the plan
[00:06] <sylvieg> i will wake up at 5am - if snow I will stay home - if not will go to montreal
[00:06] * marclaporte has a big big beer for sylvieg
[00:06] <sylvieg> the weather seems to be bad..
[00:06] <amette> Yay!!! :D
[00:06] <Jyhem> yeah!!!!
[00:06] <amette> no, no - weather will be great!!! :)
[00:07] * marclaporte will have a no snow dance
[00:07] <Jyhem> the weather looks perfect from here
[00:07] <sylvieg> you never leave in Boston - if you do not like the weather - wait 1 hour
[00:07] <amette> hehe
[00:08] <sylvieg> the French - German do not know
[00:08] <luciash> (sound is too low suddenly)
[00:08] <sylvieg> here it can be +20c to -10C in 2 hours
[00:08] <amette> wow, that's extreme! :O
[00:08] <MartinComeau> Sorry, may be out of the subject, but is it normal that I get an error when trying to search the dev site?  An error occured in a database query!
[00:09] <sylvieg> it is BAAAAAston
[00:09] <amette> *g*
[00:09] <amette> MartinComeau: nope... it really shouldn't - let me have a look
[00:10] <amette> MartinComeau: works for me - what's your search term?
[00:10] <sylvieg> really thx to xavi and chibaguy - I am with you guys
[00:10] <amette> :)
[00:10] <MartinComeau> @amette "mail notification" - firefox, on Mac 
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[00:11] <amette> MartinComeau: works for me - firefox on Linux
[00:11] <amette> and actually it works fast!! Have there been improvements on the search? it's very cool! :)
[00:12] <amette> clear cookies and cache perhaps!?
[00:12] * luciash confirms search for mail notification works
[00:13] <luciash> did something happen to the mic or is it my headphones ?
[00:13] <sylvieg> everything is fine
[00:13] <MartinComeau> same with Safari Amette
[00:13] <MartinComeau> Any e-mail where I can send the capture of the page?
[00:14] <sylvieg> luciash: shutdown skype if it is on - it is a devil driver sucker
[00:14] <luciash> it suddenly lowered my volume
[00:15] <luciash> but amette, search doesn't work for anonymous
[00:15] <luciash> gives me You are not logged in. Go to Login Page
[00:15] <luciash> on dev.tw.o
[00:15] <sylvieg> luciash: true anonymous ... a bug
[00:15] <MartinComeau> Im an logged in...
[00:15] <luciash> must be some search perm
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[00:16] <sylvieg> tiki_p_search must be on for anonymous
[00:16] * luciash goes to enable it
[00:16] <sylvieg> I think I bug this somewhere
[00:16] <sylvieg> ... you are not tired guys??
[00:17] <nyloth> we are
[00:17] <luciash> chibaguy: now the audio is gone completely ?
[00:17] <chibaguy> Ambient mic died; now my laptop mic is being used ... thumping is my typing
[00:17] <chibaguy> hold on, I'm restarting the stream.....
[00:17] <sylvieg> go have a beer - the music place marc went to when I was here is nice..
[00:17] <luciash> ooooh, such a cool mic and died
[00:18] <sylvieg> off for me too
[00:18] <amette> sylvieg: thanks for the suggestion :)
[00:18] <sylvieg> guys you need to go out to have fun
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[00:18] <sylvieg> ask marc to bring you to the 'French' singing place
[00:19] <luciash> *g*, that was some crazy place :-p
[00:19] <sylvieg> yeh it was nice
[00:19] <marclaporte> hahahahah
[00:19] <marclaporte> waiting for Sylvie for that
[00:19] <amette> I think we will be going there when PHP Quebec opens?
[00:20] <marclaporte> cause it's French music
[00:20] <marclaporte> need translators
[00:20] <marclaporte> :-)
[00:20] <sylvieg> remember I wanted to dance but I had a broken toe
[00:20] <marclaporte> toe is better?
[00:20] <nyloth> I don't like dance... so I'll try to find a good excuse too ;p
[00:20] <sylvieg> it needed 2 monthes to heal - but now perfect
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[00:20] <luciash> hrm, tiki_p_search is already given to anonymous on dev.tw.o
[00:20] <marclaporte> http://www.lespierrots.com/
[00:20] <sylvieg> nyloth you need to look at the other - it is fun
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[00:21] <luciash> sylvieg: glad to hear that
[00:21] <MartinComeau> Sorry Amette, I lost the connexion, now I'm back, so I was logged in when getting this message, I sent it to your email on your card...
[00:22] <sylvieg> it is a good place - I think if you have nothing to do this evening...
[00:22] <sylvieg> marc is a good entertainment guy - among other skill
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[00:23] <sylvieg> entertaiment versus organizer
[00:24] <nyloth> sylvieg: ok, we'll try to convince him to bring us there :)  Maybe it could be nice to wait for you to be there too.
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[00:24] <chibaguy> Sorry, the expensive-looking microphone seems to take breaks fairly often.
[00:25] <chibaguy> Fall back to video camera mic
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[00:26] <luciash> fine
[00:26] <Martin_Comeau> The mic falled down roughly today sir!  And not just expensive looking, expensive for real ;-)
[00:27] <sylvieg> the image too - guys go to relax
[00:27] <sylvieg> we will have aw 3.0 release
[00:28] <luciash> i think i need some relax too, it's 01:28 am here :-p
[00:28] <nyloth> yep :)
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[00:29] <sylvieg> if we dedicate 30mn each of us this month to the release - next month it can be very goood
[00:29] <sylvieg> 30mn each day
[00:32] <luciash> sorry, no search results for anonymous on dev.tw.o :-/
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[00:32] <luciash> tiki_p_search is assigned
[00:32] <chibaguy> ok, back on the air ;-)
[00:32] <Martin_Comeau> @luciash:  I was not logged as anonymous... as registered...
[00:33] <luciash> Martin_Comeau: doesn't matter, it should be available to anonymous anyway
[00:33] <Martin_Comeau> Ah k, sorry...
[00:34] <amette> Martin_Comeau: I see your mail - weird...
[00:34] <amette> .. thanks for bugreport!
[00:34] <Martin_Comeau> ;-)
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[00:36] <luciash> sylvieg: what else could be it ?
[00:36] <luciash> sylvieg: except tiki_p_search
[00:37] <sylvieg> Wazzup I be the son of sylvie, dudes. The guy who is coughing, you should get cough drops
[00:37] <luciash> *g*
[00:37] <sylvieg> my son is upset about the noise - we share the same office
[00:37] <amette> hehe
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[00:38] <amette> sylvieg 's son: yes, thanks, I really should - I started this morning, I hope it doesn't get worse :(
[00:38] <sylvieg> refresh the cache when perm is not working
[00:38] <luciash> put on your headphones sylvie ;)
[00:38] <sylvieg> we have a bug there
[00:38] <sylvieg> does not work
[00:38] <luciash> sylvieg: i already did refresh the caches
[00:39] <sylvieg> my son says 'it is not working'
[00:39] <luciash> ah
[00:40] <luciash> no way, dev is with no search for anonymous
[00:41] <luciash> tiki-searchresults
[00:41] <luciash> tiki-listpages works
[00:42] <luciash> tiki-searchindex works
[00:43] <luciash> hmm, maybe the search in header is custom code
[00:45] * marclaporte searches Boston weather....
[00:45] <luciash> ah yup, that's it
[00:47] <nyloth> so, I'm leaving for this evening... see you tomorrow morning...
[00:47] <luciash> c u nyloth !
[00:48] <sylvieg> i am out too
[00:49] <amette> I'm out, too!
[00:51] <luciash> good night
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[00:56] <chibaguy> I'm closing down the streamer. Will be back in about 13-14 hours. :-)
[00:57] <chibaguy> g'night
[00:57] <Martin_Comeau> ok see you tomorrow
[00:57] <chibaguy> thanks for the feedback
[00:57] <luciash> thanks for the hard work with the camera :)
[00:57] <luciash> c u
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[01:08] <marclaporte> http://www.wunderground.com/US/MA/Boston.html
[01:09] <marclaporte> Chance of Snow : 60% chance of precipitation 
[01:10] <marclaporte> TikiFest is on break
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[01:23] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17017 10/branches/3.0/tiki-install.php: [FIX] starting tag of </p> was missing, changed 'site administrator' to 'system administrator'
[01:56] <Martin_Comeau> G'night!
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[02:50] <marclaporte> polom
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[09:20] <Nurta> so anyone know something about phplayers?  I'm using a top menu with drop down menus, and now I get a 'lwidth is not defined' whenever you hover over a menu option rather than it dropping down.  Trying to circumvent that by hardcoding menu width leads to 'layer' not being defined.  Best I can tell for some reason some code isn't getting called.  The only thing i know of that changed was that...
[09:20] <Nurta> ...I installed aulawiki.  Uninstalling it didn't help.  All I could find on google was something related to footer.tpl , which I didn't touch.  Anyone have any ideas?
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[10:06] <xavi> Nurta: are you still around?
[10:06] <Nurta> yeah
[10:06] <xavi> I read your problem with phplayers....
[10:06] <Nurta> any ideas?
[10:07] <xavi> did you check that your .css file haseverything you need for phplayers?
[10:07] <xavi> I mean, do you have the same problem with other theme styles?
[10:07] <Nurta> well it worked on the same style most of the time, then it just stopped.  I haven't removed anything from it
[10:08] <xavi> is your site viewable online somewhere?
[10:08] <Nurta> yeah http://www.rpisocial.com
[10:08] <xavi> and... what did you change before phplayers stopped working?
[10:09] <Nurta> the only thing I know for sureI did before that was installing Aulawiki
[10:10] <xavi> ok, step by step. Nice Ohia theme there...
[10:10] <xavi> how can I reproduce the problem ?
[10:10] <Nurta> heh, thanks
[10:10] <xavi> for me the site looks ok
[10:10] <Nurta> just mouse over the "wiki" option up top
[10:10] <Nurta> it should be a drop down menu
[10:10] <Nurta> it should give you a js error
[10:11] <Nurta> er, it shouldn't give the error, but that's what it's doing
[10:11] <xavi> I don't see any error
[10:11] <xavi> how can I see the js error?
[10:12] <xavi> I just don't see any drop down phplayers menu
[10:12] <Nurta> do you have a js console open?
[10:12] <xavi> mmm, nope, just the developer toolbar from firefox
[10:12] <Nurta> in FF it's tools- Error Console by default I believe
[10:13] <xavi> I'm not skilled with js. I?ll have a look, though
[10:13] <Nurta> the error comes through as "Error: lwidth is not defined
[10:13] <Nurta> Source File: http://www.rpisocial.com/tiki/lib/phplayers/libjs/layersmenu.js
[10:13] <Nurta> Line: 162"
[10:14] <xavi> yes, I see it.
[10:14] <xavi> and you got that error just after aulawiki was installed???
[10:15] <xavi> where did you install aulawiki from , btw?
[10:15] <Nurta> I noticed it while installing it, I can't say for sure it didn't start a little before
[10:15] <xavi> edu.tw.o/mods or mods.tw.o?
[10:15] <xavi> (different versions, afaik)
[10:15] <Nurta> the first one
[10:16] <Nurta> I tried the second one first, but it errored, because the version was incompatible
[10:16] <xavi> so, my best advice is that, if you can work on other things for 5-6 hours, you'll have in this channel pleny of people who will be more skilled than me to help you with the js error...  
[10:17] <xavi> the js error seems to me as if that lwidth is not defined in ohia.css ...
[10:17] <Nurta> heh, yeah, I was planning on going to sleep soon, it's 5 am here
[10:17] <xavi> and the aulawiki mod has it's own issues (in the way to being fixed) related to theme style display....
[10:17] <Nurta> thanks for your help though
[10:17] <xavi> oh, go to sleep then, and wait for montreal guys to be back online....
[10:18] <xavi> when you are back, you can also see them at http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestMontreal2009?page=TikiFestMontreal2009&fullscreen=y
[10:18] <xavi> for the aulawiki issues, I'm the one of the guys to look after that... please, anything related to aulawiki, you'd better report it at the http://edu.tikitiki.org forums 
[10:20] <Nurta> heh, I'm just getting started with tikiwiki, it is an interesting project
[10:22] <Nurta> anyways, g'night
[10:22] * Nurta waves
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[10:54] <luciash> hola !
[10:54] <xavi> hi luciash 
[10:55] <xavi> I'm still reading the back log from yesterday... ! (you all had fun here and there :-)
[10:55] <xavi> and I hope there is not snow in BAAAASTON...
[10:55] <xavi> so that sylvieg is safely driving towards Montreal...
[10:56] <luciash> yeah, it was fun until everyone got really tired :-p
[10:56] <luciash> i hope so too :)
[11:05] <xavi> luciash, have you seen the problem reported on Ohia.css previously by Nurta here on irc?
[11:05] <xavi> I wonder if that is due to some css thuing missing at ohia.css
[11:05] <luciash> i have read quickly it but don't understand it completely
[11:05] <xavi> her/his phplayermenus didn't open...
[11:06] <xavi> on ohia.css and js console reported errors on the css, I think
[11:06] <xavi> http://www.rpisocial.com/tiki/tiki-index.php
[11:06] <luciash> isn't that lwidth JS related error ?
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[11:09] <xavi> oh well, I don't know, my skills on js related issues are close to zero...
[11:09] <xavi> I'll let Nurta explain again when he/she is back
[11:10] <luciash> mine are close to 0.5 ;)
[11:10] <xavi> :-)
[11:10] <xavi> ok, I?m diving into kdeline again to fix that video... ;-)
[11:12] <luciash> kewl
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[11:19] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17018 10/branches/experimental/jquery/templates/tiki-admin-include-features.tpl: [FIX] Moved feature_jquery checkbox to experimental
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[12:06] <marclaporte> polom
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[12:09] <xavi> back (firefox crashed while attempting to see a video)
[12:10] <xavi> luciash: did you get any further looking for the automask effect on kdenlive for videos?
[12:10] <luciash> yes, i replied you in private but then you quitted
[12:11] <luciash> polom marc
[12:11] <xavi> well, ff crashed and I couldn't see the answer, sorry
[12:11] <luciash> i'll repost
[12:11] <xavi> thanks
[12:31] <sylvieg> I did not hear my alarm this night - still in boston
[12:32] <marclaporte> There is a storm alert for tonight
[12:32] <marclaporte> "Winter Storm Warning remains in effect from 9 PM this evening
[12:32] <marclaporte> to 5 PM EST Monday... "
[12:32] <marclaporte> So if you leave before noon you are ok
[12:33] * marclaporte makes an alarm sound...    beeeeeeeep    beeeeeeeppp
[12:34] * marclaporte will wake up Gary & amette in 15 min
[12:35] <luciash> ROFL
[12:39] <marclaporte> Gary & amette have an alarm ringing in their room but they are sleeping through it
[12:40] <marclaporte> Boston as of now is  -1.8 °C Mostly Cloudy  http://www.wunderground.com/US/MA/Boston.html
[12:40] <mycomputer> Well I was thinking about something : I think that it would be more interesting to use this module chat of drupal http://tout.essaye.sauf.ca/tribune rather than a irc canal : it's more user friendly I think
[12:46] <luciash> mycomputer: we stick with this irc channel because most ppl use it and we can keep logs
[12:47] <luciash> mycomputer: you can use any IRC client which is more user friendly or IM supporting IRC then too
[12:48] <mycomputer> luciash : I understand. It's possible to consult the history of the tribune and I think it's a very interesting chat module
[12:48] <mycomputer> I'm using xchat? Which one do you use luciash?
[12:49] <luciash> i'm using (console based) irssi
[12:51] <marclaporte> mycomputer: : we need a way for people to access chat both from desktop app or from web-based
[12:51] <mycomputer> The "real men" use console based software  :)
[12:51] <mycomputer> marclaporte : well it's possible with the chat module I'm talking about
[12:52] <luciash> mycomputer: earlier i was using xchat too, then chatzilla, konversation etc. ;)
[12:52] <mycomputer> You can use this module with wmcoincoin for instance 
[12:52] <mycomputer> I will make you a screenshot
[12:55] <mycomputer> http://cjoint.com/data/ddn3VLDcGm.htm
[12:57] <mycomputer> What do you think about it?
[13:06] <luciash> well, i don't like its look and i think my irssi is much more user friendly ;)
[13:07] <mycomputer> héhé :)
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[13:22] <xavi> bbl
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[14:15] <xavi> hi marc
[14:16] <xavi> and Gary
[14:16] <xavi> streaming is on again
[14:16] <chibaguy> good morning, xavi :-)
[14:17] <xavi> hi Gary, it's luch time here (and we have guests at home)...
[14:17] <xavi> I'll read the log of your activity later on today...
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[14:23] <marclaporte> 8 people viewing me have breakfast
[14:23] <marclaporte> get a life!  :-)
[14:24] <sylvieg> bon appetit
[14:24] <sylvieg> working on http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=new+in+version+3
[14:26] * marclaporte wishes Sylvie was driving
[14:26] <marclaporte> to arrive before the storm 
[14:27] <sylvieg> il neige deja ici
[14:27] <sylvieg> but I were well toady - I splet a lot
[14:27] <sylvieg> i am
[14:27] <xavi> great sylvieg that you do that list... did you see the short list I started (for the end users) at: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/TikiWiki+3 ?
[14:28] <sylvieg> xavi : it is better than mine
[14:28] <xavi> nope, it's differnt
[14:28] <xavi> the one I started is for end users...
[14:28] <xavi> yours is far more complete (I bet), and as a reminder for developers, users, etc.
[14:29] <xavi> so that many other osers (like me) can add things from that list in dev to the list in doc.tw.o with screenshots, etc. 
[14:29] <sylvieg> In fact I did that in september
[14:29] <xavi> oups, I didn't notice that page then...
[14:29] <sylvieg> to version 14630
[14:29] <sylvieg> it was on my local
[14:30] <sylvieg> is it worth I continue from 14630 to today?
[14:33] <xavi> I would say yes, indeed
[14:34] <xavi> you know more all the improvements than I
[14:34] <xavi> we can link both pages, and slowly add things to the doc.tw.o as we can make some screenshot or link to the page to doc.tw.o about that feature,etc.
[14:34] <sylvieg> so ok I will go on and you pick whatever you find interesting
[14:34] <xavi> I would say
[14:34] <xavi> ok
[14:37] <xavi> luciash or amette: I read at dev..tw.o that when you are logged in one .tw.o site (like tw.o), you are expected to be logged also to others. 
[14:38] <xavi> Well, I was logged in dev.tw.o as user xavi, went to doc.tw.o, and I had to login again.
[14:38] <xavi> FYI
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[14:41] <marclaporte> TikiFest reality TV: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/tikifests
[14:44] <xavi> bbl (we have people at home for lunch)
[14:47] <sylvieg> sorry guys - not coming I dio not hear my alarm this night - and now it is snowing
[14:47] <Jyhem> Hi Sylviernthe weather is clear here! Go away from the snow!
[14:48] <sylvieg> yes I know but I have to cross the white mountains to go to Montreal
[14:49] <nyloth> hi sylvieg
[14:49] <nyloth> too bad
[14:49] <Jyhem> Mountains ?rn/me goes on google maps
[14:49] <sylvieg> I will try to set up a dimdim or somethign like this
[14:49] <sylvieg> white mountains or alpachain mountains - not sure about the term
[14:50] <sylvieg> better to set up a dimdim or something like this here
[14:52] <Jyhem> hmmm, yes, there are mountains here :-(
[14:57] <chibaguy> anyone hearing audio with the video stream?
[14:58] <chibaguy> ah, plugging my earphones into the audio out instead of mic input helps .
[15:00] <nyloth> just
[15:00] <nyloth> testing
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[15:02] <mib_95p5cw> hello
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[15:02] <mib_95p5cw> Are you really live  on March 1,209 10AM?
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[15:05] <Jyhem> yes, yes we are!
[15:07] <chibaguy> Current Montreal weather: -14°C  6°F. A few clouds.
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[15:09] <chibaguy> Monday morning forcast: -16°C, "feels like" -26°C. :-)
[15:10] <Jyhem> so, the current ideai is to see if we can do without the "db/local.php not found" error message in the "happy path"
[15:13] * luciash re-poloms in
[15:14] <chibaguy> repolom, luciash
[15:14] <luciash> xavi: it's false information, it is not like that anymore due to change of cookie domain name to ".dev.tw.o"
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[15:15] * luciash ustreams back :)
[15:15] <luciash> hey chibaguy and others :)
[15:16] <luciash> wow, it's really chilly weather over there :-)
[15:16] <chibaguy> we have #tikiwiki channel on the giant screen on the wall so can see your comments easier today.
[15:16] <luciash> that's the right way ! ;)
[15:18] <luciash> oh, it's so quiet there :)
[15:19] <chibaguy> well, it's Sunday morning, time of spiritual reflection. ;-)
[15:19] <luciash> :D
[15:19] <sylvieg> I can use some help with ustream... do I have something special to do when I connect my camera to my laptop
[15:19] <chibaguy> ...and amette isn't here yet.
[15:20] <luciash> still sleeping or making a trip around freezy montreal ?
[15:20] <chibaguy> sylvieg, there should be a little popup asking permission to access Flash, or something like that.
[15:20] <sylvieg> i got it
[15:20] <sylvieg> it just it does not recognize my camera
[15:21] <luciash> sylvieg: damn crappy fedora ;)
[15:21] <chibaguy> It isn't listed in "video source"?
[15:21] <sylvieg> perhaps it is again fedaora
[15:24] <chibaguy> I notice I have to restart the broadcasting if I make any hardware changes, such as moving the microphone to another usb port.
[15:28] <sylvieg> my next christmas present is a mac - tired about fedora
[15:31] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r17019 10/branches/3.0/db/tiki-db.php: [FIX] Upon visiting the root directory of Tiki, if db/local/php is not found, assume this is a new install and send to the installer.
[15:32] <mycomputer> sylvieg: try kubuntu
[15:35] <luciash> off air ?
[15:37] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17020 10/branches/experimental/jquery/testGD.php: [MRG] (left over)
[15:37] <chibaguy> Really?
[15:37] <luciash> it is back
[15:38] <chibaguy> ok
[15:38] <luciash> only four of you there today ?
[15:38] <chibaguy> So far, six
[15:39] <chibaguy> The four in picture plus me and Pascal St-Jean
[15:41] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03Jyhem * r17021 10/branches/3.0/ (36 files in 36 dirs): [ENH] Translations
[15:41] <luciash> did you hear me anybody ? (in case someone has laptop speakers on at the fest page)
[15:41] <luciash> wow, Jyhem, 36 files, go on ! :)
[15:41] <chibaguy> Sorry luciash, try again. I had my earphone off.
[15:42] <luciash> now ?
[15:42] <luciash> :D
[15:42] <luciash> it was just a greeting :)
[15:42] <luciash> no rush ;)
[15:43] <Jyhem> well, we have 35 languages, plus one actual file corrected :)
[15:43] <luciash> LOL
[15:43] <chibaguy> Yes, luciash, I heard you. :-)
[15:43] <chibaguy> cool
[15:43] <Jyhem> and the correction is from Gary :-)
[15:44] <chibaguy> :-)
[15:44] <luciash> cool, i can hear you too :)
[15:44] * Jyhem steals ohloh points
[15:44] <chibaguy> I'm going to switch microphones so the stream will be off for a minute or two.
[15:44] <luciash> in case i can temporarily switch on my mic and broadcast the voice then :)
[15:44] <luciash> Jyhem: hehe
[15:44] <luciash> okay
[15:45] * luciash goes to svn up 3.0
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[15:50] <marclaporte> luciash:  shout!!
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[15:51] <chibaguy1> luciash, try another greeting, ok?
[15:51] <luciash> hehe
[15:51] <luciash> okay
[15:52] <luciash> did it work or not ?
[15:52] <chibaguy1> heh, we have a small speaker and could hear, but not loudly.
[15:52] <Jyhem> there's some background noise coming from chiba's laptop
[15:53] <luciash> ok :)
[15:53] <luciash> if you hear some background noise it can be my machines and family house noise ;)
[15:53] <Jyhem> kidding: we hear you, but it's not very distinct (I'm too far)
[15:54] <luciash> but i heard myself pretty clearly
[15:54] <luciash> Jyhem: LOL
[15:54] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17022 10/branches/experimental/jquery/ (26 files in 11 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, trunk 16983 to 17016
[15:54] <chibaguy1> OK. It's hard to test audio from this end because everyone is quiet.
[15:54] <chibaguy1> Let's ask Jyhem to sing.
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[15:56] <luciash> jonny should merge 3.0 instead of trunk i think
[15:57] <Jyhem> I don't sing. I try to put names on photos here: http://photos.jmlibs.name/tiki-list_file_gallery.php?view=browse&galleryId=11
[15:57] <luciash> so gary, how did you decide... do you want to have the report or lets postpone it to the wikisym event in october ? my wife and me just need to know to let the montreal NTD TV team know...
[15:59] <nkoth3> luciash: the merge script from experimental works that way though - 
[15:59] <chibaguy1> I don't think I can manage to do it this time.
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[16:00] <luciash> chibaguy1: ok, no rush, lets keep this opportunity for the tikifest at wikisym event
[16:01] <chibaguy1> OK, that's good, I think.
[16:01] <luciash> chibaguy1: then i hope to be at the place with my equipment too ;)
[16:01] <luciash> chibaguy1: have you got my pm ?
[16:02] <luciash> i'm not sure you can receive it as chibaguy1 (unregistered with irc) ?
[16:03] <luciash> ok, got it :)
[16:04] <chibaguy1> I just didn't notice the new tab (bad ui on mibbit for pms -- three shades of gray).
[16:06] <luciash> oh, yep, xavi also complained about that... no sound notification too
[16:08] <chibaguy1> luciash, who is that with you?
[16:08] <luciash> heh, my son :)
[16:08] <chibaguy1> :-)
[16:09] <luciash> he just came to show me some "artwork" he made ;)
[16:09] <chibaguy1> nice
[16:10] <luciash> ah, nyloth there too :)
[16:11] <chibaguy1> and regis just arrives.
[16:11] <nyloth> luciash: yes, since a long time :)
[16:11] <luciash> where's amette ?
[16:12] <nyloth> luciash: this is a forbidden topic
[16:12] <luciash> damn, i meant nelson :-p
[16:12] <luciash> i always mix your nicks ;)
[16:12] <luciash> nkoth :D
[16:12] <chibaguy1> enforce nick change....
[16:13] <luciash> wb regis !
[16:13] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r17023 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [ENH] In installer, remembers values for host, username and database (but not password) upon unsuccessful attempt to create db/local.php Thanks nyloth
[16:13] <luciash> so about my unanswered questions from yesterday...
[16:13] <luciash> do we really need the extra step when db/local.php not found ?
[16:14] <luciash> what about redirect with msg id and display it via tiki-install.php directly ?
[16:15] <Jyhem> we are working on it. It's not that simple
[16:15] <marclaporte> luciash: : please svn up the 3.0
[16:16] <luciash> nkoth3: ah, the script on experimental should be changed then ?
[16:16] <luciash> marclaporte: ah, just commited it, kewl :-p
[16:17] <luciash> i'll try it
[16:17] <luciash> is there a param to omit the external upon svn up ?
[16:19] <luciash> external items
[16:19] <luciash> fetching of
[16:22] <Jyhem> I updated the names : http://photos.jmlibs.name/tiki-list_file_gallery.php?view=browse&galleryId=11
[16:23] <nyloth> svn update --ignore-externals
[16:24] <luciash> nyloth: great, thx
[16:24] * luciash goes look at Jyhem's gallery
[16:24] <luciash> i hope others are taking some picturees too ;)
[16:25] <chibaguy1> I have taken some but not many. Preoccupied with video this time, it seems.
[16:26] <luciash> Jyhem: we need the rotation function finally ;)
[16:27] <luciash> Jyhem: got new camera ? doesn't look like your Nokia from last time
[16:27] <luciash> chibaguy1: i see :)
[16:28] <luciash> maybe regis spinning his iphone again ? ;)
[16:29] <luciash> Jyhem: isn't it possible with file galleries to put the names in the shadowbox titles ?
[16:29] <sylvieg> if needed I can broadcast from my husband's mac
[16:29] <sylvieg> (in fact I need a new camera for my fedora)
[16:30] <sylvieg> I can not hear the tikifest anymore
[16:31] <chibaguy1> ah, we changed microphone. It's not good?
[16:31] <sylvieg> i hear almost nothing - whisper
[16:31] <luciash> sylvieg: sometimes old crap works (like mine logitech quickcam express) ;)
[16:32] <chibaguy1> how's the sound for you, luciash?
[16:32] <luciash> sylvieg: they're not loud and unfortunatelly the expensive mic broke yesterday or so
[16:32] <luciash> chibaguy1: t's sometimes interrupted and not so loud here too
[16:32] <sylvieg> we are looking in boxes in the attic  - my husband is sure to have one crap somewhere
[16:32] <luciash> sylvieg: LOL
[16:33] <chibaguy1> ok, I'll switch back to the other mic. Stream will be off for a few minutes.
[16:34] <Jyhem> luciash: yes, I bought myself a real camera :)
[16:35] <luciash> damn, it's getting dark here and my webcam image gets worse again :-/
[16:35] <Jyhem> new toy, plenty of photographs :)
[16:35] <luciash> Jyhem: kewl !
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[16:36] <luciash> i think i'll keep it broadcasting but only for the voice occasions ;)
[16:40] <luciash> hmm, gary, this mic only sends your tapping on it, it seems :-/
[16:41] <luciash> ok, now it is perfect
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[16:42] <chibaguy> well, now using the video camera mic.
[16:43] <luciash> chibaguy: looks as a good compromise
[16:44] <luciash> it is better than before
[16:45] <sylvieg> good for me thaks
[16:45] <sylvieg> thanks
[16:45] <chibaguy> you're welcome
[16:53] <luciash> chibaguy: figured out the sitetitle ?
[16:55] <chibaguy> eh, not completely, but Patricia who was here yesterday was going to follow up.
[16:55] <luciash> oh
[16:55] <chibaguy> I changed the variable for browser title to browsertitle so there would be no problem with case.
[16:56] <luciash> is it commited already ? i didn't spotted any commit about it
[16:56] <chibaguy> But there is still a problem with the default value from prefs being used instead of the input value, so I didn't commit anything.
[16:57] <chibaguy> Shall I commit so you can try to fix?
[16:58] <luciash> yes please
[16:58] <luciash> commit early, commit often ;)
[16:58] <chibaguy> :-)
[17:02] <luciash> anybody knows when prefs.php is exactly used ?
[17:03] * chibaguy waiting for tortoisesvn client to find changes in bogged down laptop. ;-)
[17:04] <sylvieg> prefs.php is used for each page
[17:05] <luciash> and when is the db stored preferences table value used ?
[17:05] <sylvieg> but the upload of the default prefs is done ... if no cache and user logged out
[17:05] <sylvieg> the db table is only read in prefs.php
[17:06] <luciash> ok, when is the default value used vs when is the db stored value used then ?
[17:07] <luciash> ok, i guess you answered this in the previous sentence...
[17:08] <sylvieg> luciash: it is more or less .... there are a couple of cache ... that is hard imho to understand - very high dance
[17:08] <sylvieg> I have the reset user session that is not working anymore - and I can not find out
[17:10] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17024 10/branches/3.0/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
[17:10] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: [FIX] Browser title and page-top (L&F) title still interfering with each other.
[17:10] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: Browser title variable changed and admin moved from admin general to look and
[17:10] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: feel. This is partial fix; browser title still using prefs value despite new
[17:10] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: input on admin L&F.
[17:11] * luciash grabs it
[17:11] <chibaguy> thanks, luciash.
[17:12] * chibaguy heads for shallower end of pool. ;-)
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[17:12] <luciash> hahaha :)
[17:13] <luciash> hm, the question is if browser title setting should be part of "look and feel"
[17:13] <marclaporte> big +1 to this
[17:14] <chibaguy> Was a suggestion by marc iirc.
[17:14] <marclaporte> JM agrees
[17:14] <chibaguy> If L&F is site identity, then it fits.
[17:14] <chibaguy> is|includes
[17:15] <chibaguy> But, luciash, if you see a better place for it in L&F, feel free to change it.
[17:15] <chibaguy> I wasn't really sure.
[17:19] <nyloth> sylvieg: you've got mail from marc ;)
[17:20] <nyloth> sylvieg: (you can't refuse ;))
[17:20] <sylvieg> sure I can not refuse ;-)
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[17:22] <sylvieg> sorry I did not get the beginning of the conversation about password - was trying to broadcast
[17:22] <luciash> i think "site identity" is actually two parts of site customization: 1) identity as in textual representation of the entity: name, legal stuff, copyright, custom code like google code, etc.  2) identity as in corporate identity: logo, colors, graphics and other overall look and feel
[17:22] <luciash> so it's difficult to "categorize" this
[17:23] <Botrax> Have 2.2 and the LAST FILES module only displays the files in ONE category. What am I missing here? All galleries are publicly downloadable.
[17:23] <Botrax> Just upgraded from 1.9
[17:23] <chibaguy> I'm thinking about it visually, how the visitor sees the site. Then the browser title and the logo/site title are both part of site identity, I think.
[17:24] <sylvieg> Botrax do you special perms on the categories?
[17:25] <sylvieg> if yes - clean the cache + log out + log in + go the categ perm to assign tiki_p_view_categorized - it is a new perm and sometimes the upgrade does not go well
[17:25] <Botrax> No. Only the one listed in LAST FIILES has SPECIFIC permissions for Anonymous to view and download, then added the same permissions to the other galleries, still do not see the other files in LAST FILES.
[17:25] <sylvieg> ... at least clear the caches
[17:28] <luciash> i think Site Identity needs its own section or just a little part where the browsertitle would be set in General and little link "set more in Look & Feel" ?
[17:30] <chibaguy> why general for the browser title?
[17:30] <chibaguy> (not arguing, just wanting to know your thinking)
[17:31] <luciash> because it's not affecting look and feel of the site but it's a general preference which every admin goes to set as first imho
[17:32] <luciash> it made more sense when L&F was still named Site Identity back in the past to have it there, but now user can be confused finding this preference in L&F
[17:33] <Botrax> Cleared the cach, logged out , logged in, assigned Categorized View to Anonymous, Registered, Admins, I still have the same issue.      Gah... this is annoying.
[17:34] <chibaguy> um, ok. well, let's hear again on this from marc and jean-marc.
[17:34] <Botrax> Before I just used the HTML box for site identiy and just put up custom code as header.
[17:34] <chibaguy> Maybe for now just get the functionality working. :-)
[17:34] <chibaguy> (or maybe because you fixed it, you can decide... ;-) )
[17:35] <luciash> well, i didn't fixed it yet ;)
[17:36] <chibaguy> :-)
[17:37] <Botrax> whoah
[17:37] * Jyhem is glad Sylvie can't refuse :-/
[17:38] * luciash wonders why sylvieg can't refuse :-p
[17:39] <sylvieg> the bus is 7 hours long - without snow.... - I need to be back on twesday morning
[17:39] <sylvieg> ues sectione dit works
[17:39] <luciash> got a bus ticket from marc ? ;)
[17:39] <sylvieg> yes
[17:40] <marclaporte> You could stay for : http://conf.phpquebec.com/
[17:41] <marclaporte> amette will give a great talk
[17:42] <Jyhem> and so will Marc, I hear
[17:42] <sylvieg> and lph too
[17:43] <sylvieg> I am very curious what lph will say ...
[17:43] <Jyhem> only one way to know, I believe
[17:43] <marclaporte> It's going to be funny
[17:43] <marclaporte> He has 70 slides so far
[17:44] <marclaporte> unrelated to the talk
[17:44] <marclaporte> just to throw people off :-)
[17:45] <marclaporte> LPH just went through something like 7 years of formal engineering training
[17:45] <marclaporte> including all the latest on software development theory, etc.
[17:46] <marclaporte> And what works in Tiki is not what he learnt at school
[17:47] <sylvieg> but is tikiwiki working ? ;-)
[17:47] <marclaporte> it sure is!
[17:47] <marclaporte> They will have to update the school books
[17:49] <marclaporte> Like the people that learn how to make encyclopedias, they will will have to update the school text books to include Wikipedia
[17:51] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17025 10/branches/3.0/styles/darkroom.css: [FIX]darkroom: do not wrap tab label
[17:52] <xavi> back
[17:53] <sylvieg> less bugs in trackers
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[17:53] <sylvieg> page selector fields
[17:55] <chibaguy> wb xavi
[17:55] <sylvieg> export tracker is better - attached file fields
[17:55] <sylvieg> computed field?
[17:56] <sylvieg> lph stuff trackertimeline
[17:57] <Jyhem> one more photo: Martin. (next in line: ready to photograph Sylvie)
[17:57] <chibaguy> sylvieg, should that 'do not wrap tab label' be applied in other themes, do you think?
[17:58] <sylvieg> I think so .. it is why I was speaking with luciash about a  new mini css - like the layout.css
[17:59] <chibaguy> nyloth and I were also talking about that.
[18:00] <chibaguy> Have a layout.css that imports lite.css and sets all layout stuff. Then the theme file imports those and adds colors and other theme-specific styles/overrides.
[18:00] <chibaguy> What do you think?
[18:00] <sylvieg> it will be great
[18:00] <sylvieg> not easy to do...
[18:00] <marclaporte> sylvieg: : note sure if we can do this with trackers yet: tiki-remind_password.php
[18:00] <marclaporte> oups
[18:01] <chibaguy> I think layout.css should be a goal for Tiki 4, maybe.
[18:01] <sylvieg> ... password can be change via a tracker field
[18:01] <sylvieg> changed
[18:01] <sylvieg> I think...
[18:02] <marclaporte> no, I meant: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=1980
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[18:03] <sylvieg> in trackerlist you can filter - and will pluginalias it will not be so painful
[18:05] <sylvieg> in fact I am not sure ....
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[18:11] <SEWilco2> We need language options in the ustream feed. :-)
[18:11] * sylvieg bbl - food
[18:11] <nyloth> s/food/bus/
[18:12] <marclaporte> bbl -bus for Sylvie :-)
[18:13] <luciash> bbl dinner
[18:15] <chibaguy> SEWilco2, sorry subtitles not perfected yet.
[18:15] * chibaguy can't write fast enough and keeps running out of index cards....
[18:16] <chibaguy> ...not to mention not comprehending.... ;-)
[18:18] <xavi> what was the question, sorry?
[18:18] <SEWilco2> 12 viewers, unknown how many have other windows hiding the view.
[18:18] <SEWilco2> Question was how many listeners.  Make it 11, as xavi wasn't.
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[18:20] <SEWilco2> Did anyone in the room try running an IRC client under Orca, so this channel will be read aloud?
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[18:22] <marclaporte> that sounds like it could be funny
[18:23] <marclaporte> SEWilco2: : where do you live?
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[18:24] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17026 10/branches/3.0/styles/thenews.css: [ENH] table.admin td.form bottom borders added to improve plugin list readability on tiki-admin.php?page=textarea. Kept mellow because these tds appear on other admin pages too. Feedback requested.
[18:24] <SEWilco2> Best kind of work is when you're working at something which you find to be fun.
[18:26] <SEWilco2> chibaguy: Readability improvement is needed, and your cautious approach is appreciated.
[18:26] <chibaguy> The separators could be limited to that plugin list, but would require a template edit, so will try this approach first.
[18:27] <SEWilco2> OK, it's a nice brick wall.  Turn off the lights in the room to stop the reflections so we can better appreciate it.
[18:28] <SEWilco2> Grand entrance.
[18:28] <xavi> clap, clap.
[18:28] <xavi> "too early"!
[18:28] <xavi> :-)
[18:29] <luciash> w00t, amette woke up
[18:29] <luciash> wb :)
[18:30] <SEWilco2> Room flammability increases.
[18:31] <luciash> my daughter suggest you should listen to some music beats there too, it's too quiet in da room ;)
[18:31] <SEWilco2> Well, do an instant reenactment.
[18:31] <xavi> marclaporte: off-topic, but if you can have a look at the issue with categories in profiles, I?ll be glad to keep improving that profile...
[18:31] <xavi> I wonder if I still have some problem with the way I wrote the profile, or there is a bug around...
[18:32] * SEWilco2 needs to go look at the Profile doc sometime to see what that new icon on the admin page is for.
[18:32] <xavi> link again: ... (just in case you can have a look)...
[18:32] <marclaporte> xavi: : URL?
[18:32] <xavi> http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/Exchange_market
[18:32] <chibaguy> yes, a re-enactment, with music, would be good.
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[18:33] <xavi> error problems are reported on that page itself
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[18:38] <adela> hi amette :D
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[18:38] <adela> how are you ?
[18:39] <amette> I'm a bit sick, but still ok...
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[18:39] <luciash> :)
[18:39] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17027 10/branches/3.0/styles/thenews.css: [ENH] Removed previous fix and added vertical-align:top to td, which should be sufficient.
[18:40] <marclaporte> xavi: : http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=Exchange_Market&diff_style=sidediff&compare=Compare&newver=0&oldver=17
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[18:41] <SEWilco2> Does Amette's name tag read "Patient Zero"?
[18:41] <luciash> amette: kids going to bed here, greetings to you
[18:42] <amette> luciash: thanks, greetings to them, too! :)
[18:43] <amette> SEWilco2: LOL :P
[18:43] <xavi> greetings to your kids, luciash 
[18:43] <xavi> marclaporte: thanks, that was quick! I'll try
[18:45] <xavi> btw, is jquery merged in trunk or tiki3 already?
[18:45] <xavi> (to try it)
[18:45] <xavi> or should I install a (his) separate branch instead?
[18:45] <SEWilco2> Anyone know if there's a good reason for the 2 second slideshow timing?  Seems a little fast to me.
[18:46] <SEWilco2> DOWN IN FRONT!
[18:46] <SEWilco2> (As if seeing the people coding is going to make us miss something in the show's plot...)
[18:49] <chibaguy> I'm sorry recording wasn't turned on earlier. Brain is rather sluggish this morning for some reason.
[18:49] <chibaguy> xavi, still in branch experimental jquery.
[18:50] <chibaguy> But I think a merge is coming soon.
[18:50] <xavi> ok, thanks chibaguy 
[18:51] <xavi> I'm planning a new TikiLiveCD soon, including tiki3svn , and I might do it once the jquery is in there....
[18:51] <xavi> btw, chibaguy , has there been any discussion about which theme style set as default in 3.0?
[18:52] <chibaguy> Seems to be thenews.
[18:53] <chibaguy> I haven't heard any other discussions about that.
[18:53] <xavi> "seems to be" means that there was no any discussion, then...
[18:53] <luciash> xavi: it will be 3.0 beta live CD then ;)
[18:53] <xavi> ah, ok.
[18:53] <xavi> yes, luciash , 3.0 preprepreprebeta, or whatever... :-)
[18:53] <luciash> xavi: it naturally evolves the wiki way ;)
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[18:54] <xavi> oh well, ... I've seen all your nice work with your new two themes, Gary (and Patrick, and whoever else participated)
[18:55] <xavi> and I remember some discussion in TikiFestMadrid about this issue (which could be the default theme for 3.0)
[18:55] <chibaguy> Apparently people are ok with TheNews, although jonnyb said it looked too HTML3.1...;-)
[18:55] <xavi> yes, jonny, and mattwho, ...
[18:56] <xavi> it's better than tikineat, imho, but you all are doing better and better themes...
[18:56] <luciash> we need at least one finished and fixed to well support every part of tiki and it seems thenews is the most ahead in this case
[18:56] <chibaguy> Theme details need to be worked on, and it'd be easy to switch to another for default if people want to, I think.
[18:58] <xavi> yes, I know. However, a high percentage of tiki sites use the default theme, and they don't change it...
[18:58] <luciash> imho thenews is the most neutral of them for people to start and build upon while still not looking that bad compared what we had before
[18:58] <xavi> ... and then, it becomes the public face of that software... (for tiki, and other cms's, wiki's, etc.)
[18:58] <luciash> and aftzer install they can try the other ones too anyway
[18:58] <xavi> looking and strassa and coalesce, I would vote for strassa.css as "the" new default one...
[18:59] <xavi> if tested well enough, supporting all tiki features in that css, etc.
[18:59] <xavi> my opinion, at least
[18:59] <xavi> and I heard jonny and matthew saying something similar...
[18:59] <xavi> well, just some more opinions...
[18:59] <chibaguy> sure, good to hear.
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[19:00] <xavi> If possible, I'll add strassa as the deafult theme style for the new TikiLiveCD (3beta, ...)
[19:01] <luciash> xavi: yes, you can
[19:01] <luciash> xavi: i've done some fixes to strasa recently so the tabs and other stuff is looking quite good too
[19:02] <xavi> good! I've just grabbed the new files from svn some minutes ago
[19:02] <luciash> xavi: i think it's the second best supported together with darkroom after thenews
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[19:05] <chibaguy> ok. One area that needs more thinking/fixes is the site header area (div#header). It mostly works but maybe could better.
[19:05] <chibaguy> http://www.zukakakina.com/Page_header_layout
[19:09] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r17028 10/branches/3.0/lib/setup/prefs.php: [FIX] Matching value in prefs to the value in the form, to avoid unexpected setting change, when saving. Tks Nyloth
[19:10] <sylvieg> back
[19:10] <luciash> i think current site_identity check is obsolete and useless when it's on by default and needed to be enabled for the other look and feel stuff to work
[19:11] <luciash> are you ok with having the checkbox not needed anymore ?
[19:11] <luciash> thanks gary
[19:12] <luciash> chibaguy: nice banner ad at your site ;)
[19:13] <chibaguy> New Wikisym install is a case in point. They used a long site subtitle that conflicts with the login box in narrow screens. How should L&F handle such cases?
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[19:14] <chibaguy> http://www.wikisym.org/ws2009/tiki-index.php (was longer before IIRC)
[19:15] <luciash> login box shouldn't have white background set but transparent, then it wouldn't disappear (the subtitle text i think)
[19:15] <chibaguy> (sitesubtitle was longer before)
[19:15] <xavi> sylvieg, off-topic: good and cheap webcamera that works out-of-the box with GNU/Linux (at least all ubuntu distros I've tried for 3 years)
[19:15] <xavi> http://www.optize.es/servlet/CONCEPTRONIC_LOUNGE_N_LOOK_CHATCAM_-_CAM_368878_optize.html
[19:15] <SEWilco2> luciash: Or just document stealth login as a feature.
[19:15] <chibaguy> Chinese food just arrived. Sudden evacuation from this room...
[19:16] <chibaguy> thnx luciash, I needed a banner to test with.
[19:16] <xavi> a pity if you change to a mac just due to the webcam issue...
[19:16] <luciash> heh
[19:17] <SEWilco2> I chose my new laptop because it all works with Ubuntu.  My grizzled appearance today is what doesn't work with the webcam.
[19:17] <luciash> chibaguy: but L&F could have options like for site logo to float where necessary, or use position: absolute and z-indexing
[19:18] <luciash> are you ok with having the site identity checkbox not needed anymore ?
[19:18] <xavi> chibaguy: at your zuka site, I can't see (using darkshine.css) where should I write the text for the search...
[19:19] <luciash> xavi: just clik the search
[19:19] <xavi> luciash: yes, I did, but then I got the search result 0 for ""
[19:20] <luciash> yep, i think it's intentional by the theme design to just link you to the search feature page
[19:20] <xavi> ah, ok
[19:22] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17029 10/branches/3.0/tiki-change_password.php: [FIX]error: do not redirect on login if error on password change
[19:26] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03sewilco * r17030 10/trunk/templates/file_gallery_slideshow.tpl: [ENH] Add Smarty variables to control slideshow settings in prep for {SLIDESHOW}.
[19:26] <luciash> we need more testers for IE7 and IE8
[19:26] <luciash> we have zero to noone for IE8
[19:28] <SEWilco2> luciash: It's a feature: No time at tikifest wasted on IE8!  :-)
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[19:37] <sylvieg> Can I change site_title soemwhere now?
[19:38] <sylvieg> I always have now tiki-setup.php siteTitle undefined
[19:38] <luciash> sylvieg: stil fixing it
[19:38] <sylvieg> ah ok - thanks
[19:40] <luciash> it's becoming browsertitle ;)
[19:42] <xavi> nice belly
[19:42] <xavi> after lunch
[19:42] <xavi> marc :-)
[19:43] <luciash> :D
[19:43] <xavi> :-D
[19:44] <luciash> sylvieg: strangely it works on dev.tw.o (setting the siteTitle (yet) there) :-p
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[19:50] <chibaguy> luciash, yeah, L&F uses float now, to position left, right or center. Also banner takes the opposite position if it is also turned on. But then there is a conflict
[19:51] <chibaguy> with login form if it's up in that space too.
[19:51] <chibaguy> Partly users just have to know they can't turn on every feature in the same rectangle.
[19:51] <luciash> i guess for every two floated should be a clear: both break
[19:51] <chibaguy> But I need to do good docs.
[19:52] <chibaguy> Did you look at http://www.zukakakina.com/Page_header_layout ?
[19:52] <luciash> it's might be wrong though
[19:52] <luciash> yes, nice page
[19:52] <chibaguy> I tried to show current method.
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[19:52] <luciash> i tried to read it all but then was distracted again
[19:52] <luciash> :-p
[19:54] <chibaguy> Darkshine's search is not right. It's not really implemented, it seems.
[19:55] <chibaguy> The original design had some link there, I think, because that rectangle was shared with some links so there wasn't much room for a form.
[19:55] <chibaguy> So a good tiki implementation is needed there.
[19:55] <chibaguy> bb soon.
[19:56] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17031 10/branches/3.0/lib/ (trackers/trackerlib.php wiki/wikilib.php): [FIX]tracker: page rename must update page selector
[19:58] <xavi> marclaporte: your previous fix worked (for that profile). I moved a bit further, and I need help again to categorize objects in that profile. 
[19:58] <xavi> http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/Exchange_Market
[19:58] <xavi> I don't get the righth order to define things, I think (categories vs. items, on categorized items))
[19:58] <xavi> bbl (walk the dog time)
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[19:59] <sylvieg> tikidogs ... a lot of people seems to have dogs
[19:59] <sylvieg> what as the other error amette was complaining about?
[20:00] <chibaguy> everyone else is still talking at lunch table.
[20:00] <sylvieg> did you eat?
[20:00] <chibaguy> So there will be a delay in getting answers. ;-)
[20:01] <chibaguy> Yes, I ate already, but they are discussing url rewriting, so....
[20:01] <sylvieg> I did not understand amette points - so to bad for me
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[20:02] <chibaguy> Maybe with the separation of layout from theme-design css, there is a path for supporting older themes.
[20:03] <chibaguy> ..one thing I want to work on a little....
[20:03] <sylvieg> (with an import lite.css in old theme ... it is pretty close to be good)
[20:03] <chibaguy> Yes, if the old theme is the full page width, then it can probably use lite.css for column layout, etc.
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[20:06] <chibaguy> Actually I did that already for a few older themes, as a test.
[20:07] <sylvieg> one thing that is painful sometimes is the h3 in module / h3 in wiki
[20:07] <chibaguy> why painful?
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[20:09] <sylvieg> need to add rule like .wiki .box h3, .wiki.h3, .left.box .h3 ... a lot of h3 configuration
[20:10] <chibaguy> h3 seems to be needed for good semantic page organization.
[20:10] <sylvieg> yeh but a module in a page ... it should not be h3...
[20:10] <sylvieg> not in a column
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[20:11] <chibaguy> I find that columns also use these headings in other sites/software
[20:11] <sylvieg> but it is ok - just to do some 'noise'
[20:11] <chibaguy> :-)
[20:13] <chibaguy> I'm sleepy. Last night we went to Montreal museum of modern art at 2:30am after the pub. :-)
[20:13] <sylvieg> :-)
[20:13] <chibaguy> Was a special open-all-night culture event in this city.
[20:13] <SEWilco2> URL rewriting?  They discussing my filter?  They're laughing -- yup, they must be.  :-)
[20:13] <luciash> oh, they have 24h open ?
[20:13] <chibaguy> well, I do hear laughter
[20:13] <chibaguy> special day, luciash.
[20:14] <luciash> ah :) i was :o
[20:14] <chibaguy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuit_Blanche
[20:14] <chibaguy> Just lucky we are here at this time.
[20:14] <sylvieg> it is what I did not like from last tikifest - I need sleep
[20:15] <chibaguy> Yeah, we fight on with macho pride.
[20:15] <luciash> *g*
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[20:15] <chibaguy> or maybe not, I don't know. ;-)
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[20:26] <SEWilco2> I wonder if they're fighting sleep with macho pride, or fighting Nuit Blanche with macho pride. :-)
[20:26] <amette> sylvieg: we just found out that you fixed the major problem... ;)
[20:27] <sylvieg> and sefurl? I did not get the problem
[20:27] <chibaguy> Regis was our guide last night, I should mention.
[20:27] <amette> ... my point was later rephrased by Nelson and me to be "It is not really a full blown feature, but rather a workaround"
[20:27] <sylvieg> sefurl?
[20:27] <sylvieg> the samrty modifier is a full feature
[20:27] <sylvieg> smarty
[20:28] <amette> yup, because it relies on .htaccess and therefore can't check application internals
[20:28] <sylvieg> the postfilter is a workaround
[20:28] <amette> the smarty modifier is a wonderful and smart feature :)
[20:28] <amette> my point was that the other way "going into the application" should be handled in the application also and not by .htaccess
[20:28] <amette> which would need a dispatcher and therefore cost lots of computing time
[20:28] <sylvieg> .... how do we do that?
[20:29] <amette> so we decided to stay with the .htaccess "workaround"
[20:29] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r17032 10/branches/3.0/tiki-admin_include_login.php: [FIX] changing language is no longer handled in tiki-admin.php?page=login
[20:29] <amette> tiki would first have to parse the path of the URL and then make the decision based on that
[20:30] <SEWilco2> Would it help it .htaccess could be created by the application?  So the correct .htaccess can be downloaded when updating it?
[20:30] * sylvieg wonders how people on IIS do that - because not sure there is rewrite rules on IIS 
[20:30] <amette> yup, that is another thing we found out at the lunch table (should have taken the microphone with us... ;) )
[20:30] <amette> .. .we are very much dependent on Apache already and people are not afraid of making us a MySQL/Apache only project...
[20:31] <amette> ... I seem to be the only one not agreeing with that! ;)
[20:31] * sylvieg wants to work on other database - but I will never never again work with IIS
[20:32] <amette> yup, IIS really is not anything, anyone should ever want to work with.. ;)
[20:32] <amette> .. but lighttpd e.g. would be great! :)
[20:33] <amette> but the  more features we use of mod_rewrite (e.g. lph found a smart solution for solving the ". in wiki-page-names allowed"), the more dependant we become on apache
[20:33] <amette> SEWilco2: Someone (nelson?) said, that sylvieg coded something to create the .htaccess in Tiki!?
[20:34] <amette> sylvieg: that was, why I meant, that you solved the major problem already -^ ;)
[20:34] <sylvieg> not me
[20:34] <amette> ah, ok
[20:34] <amette> SEWilco2: ?
[20:34] <sylvieg> i do not think it is possible from the sefurl rules to generate automatically the .htaccess
[20:34] <SEWilco2> amette: Good.  I saw the SEFURL stuff moved to its own admin page.  That's an obvious first step to admin the data accumulating around it.
[20:35] <SEWilco2> sylvieg: Th
[20:35] <sylvieg> I needed a page for the /en/mypage , /fr/mapage
[20:35] <amette> sylvieg: yes, automatically generate would be a "bad idea" most probably, because making .htaccess apache-writable is not too smart...
[20:35] <amette> ... or what is your issue with it?
[20:35] <SEWilco2> sylvieg: The DB table with rewrite rules should include the corresponding .htaccess rule.
[20:36] <sylvieg> but able to read the .htaccess there and to modify the file - why not?
[20:36] <sylvieg> it is not a 1 to 1 correspondance
[20:36] <amette> that opens up lots of potential security risks
[20:36] <SEWilco2> I don't think TW should directly write .htaccess, but the rules could be downloaded to an admin for installation.
[20:36] <amette> yup
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[20:37] <sylvieg> ok if you can do it ... but I am not sure it is an easy task
[20:37] <sylvieg> the notion of order is important in .htaccess not really in sefurl rule
[20:37] <SEWilco2> sylvieg: Yes, the db contents should reflect lack of 1:1 correspondence.  Have to both allow empty rules and remove adjoining duplicates.
[20:37] <amette> yeah, I don't think so either - actually that is rather really hard - mod_rewrite alone is Voodoo!! Then doing such a trick.. wow..
[20:38] <SEWilco2> sylvieg: Order in .htaccess has to be part of rule definition.
[20:39] <SEWilco2> sylvieg: Order might be important in sefurl rules.  Testing for a special case may be needed before a more general rule.
[20:40] <sylvieg> yeh right not for all the rules only for some
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[20:46] <amette> added rewrite conditions on dev.tw.o, so we don't have to maintain all the possible different extensions and so on....
[20:47] <amette> RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} -f [OR]
[20:47] <amette> RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} -d
[20:47] <amette> RewriteRule     ^(.+)$    tiki-index.php?page=$1                   [QSA,L]
[20:47] <amette> Could you guys please browse there and check, before I commit?
[20:47] <sylvieg> lph did that already
[20:47] <sylvieg> ?
[20:47] <amette> I removed the line with the long extensions listing..
[20:47] <amette> huh?
[20:48] <sylvieg> but you need some additional rules like img/trackers... because this ... consider that a file without extension is nto a file
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[20:49] <luciash> mc
[20:49] <sylvieg> I still have a problem witht he rewrite rules (for sumo) the en/mypage versus fr/mypage is working but all the css must be used with an absolute path
[20:50] <sylvieg> because it is why sumo is working with absolute path?
[20:50] <luciash> ops :)
[20:51] <sylvieg> but I told you it is not working for a file without extesnsion that is considered by the rewrite rules as not a regular file
[20:52] <sylvieg> :-Xrewrite rules
[20:52] <luciash> how to omit .svn dirs with grep anyone ?
[20:52] <sylvieg> find . -name '.svn' -prune -o -path './templates_c' -prune -o -path './temp' -prune -o -exec fgrep -H "$1" {} \;
[20:53] <luciash> i'm using grep --color -R 'siteTitle' ./*command
[20:53] <luciash> sylvieg: heh, pretty long but thx :)
[20:55] <nyloth> rgrep something . |egrep -v "(templates_c|temp/|\.svn)" 
[20:55] <nyloth> quicker to write but less efficient
[20:55] <luciash> cool :)
[20:57] <SEWilco2> find . -type f -print 2>/dev/null | grep -v '\.svn' | xargs grep foo
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[21:01] <SEWilco2> I've made new {SLIDESHOW} work with slideshow.js, but I see other files in the library.  How many slideshow tools are available?
[21:02] <luciash> thank you SEWilco2 :)
[21:02] <SEWilco2> Doesn't look like slideshow.js is what is used for overlaid image preview -- is that the mootools image viewing?
[21:03] <luciash> this is my current ;) -> find . -type f -print 2>/dev/null | egrep -v "(templates_c|temp/|\.svn)" | xargs grep --color -n 'foo'
[21:04] <luciash> db/features.csv is used only by Magic ?
[21:06] <luciash> damn breadcrumblib
[21:07] <sylvieg> yes
[21:07] <sylvieg> I get some problem with admin->login . I changed something and got my change_theme desactivated
[21:08] <luciash> sylvieg: that's fixed on 3.0 branch
[21:08] <sylvieg> I am on 3.0....
[21:08] <sylvieg> ah no sorry - thx luciash
[21:09] <sylvieg> perhpas you have to clear templates_c
[21:09] <sylvieg> amette ^^^
[21:10] <amette> sylvieg: because of the rewrite?
[21:11] <luciash> when branch 3.0 was created, did the SVN keywords settings followed ?
[21:11] <sylvieg> ... are the full url or the sefurl recorded in the compiled smarty.
[21:11] <amette> nope, doesn't help..
[21:16] <sylvieg> can I use svnmerge.php to merge from 3.0 to trunk?
[21:16] <luciash> sylvieg: i think it works the other way around
[21:17] <sylvieg> ah it is svnbranchupdate
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[21:22] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17033 10/trunk/db/tiki.sql: [FIX]application menu: add tiki-admin.php on each Admin option to have a link like others section to the main page and not a javascript toggle
[21:23] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17034 10/trunk/db/ (6 files): sync db
[21:24] <luciash> what is difference between $pref_byref_values and $pref_simple_values ???
[21:24] <luciash> shoul i put browsertitle in the first or the other one ?
[21:24] <luciash> *should
[21:26] <luciash> anyone please ?
[21:27] <sylvieg> sorry I do not know
[21:27] <sylvieg> i bet simpe_value
[21:27] <luciash> i think so too
[21:27] <luciash> i'm not sure what byref means
[21:28] <luciash> byreferencing from where ?
[21:28] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17035 10/branches/3.0/ (10 files in 8 dirs): [MOD] preferences: siteTitle -> browsertitle
[21:28] <sylvieg> I need to reorganize my desktop - i am lost between trunk & 3
[21:31] <chibaguy> thanks, luciash
[21:31] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17036 10/branches/3.0/db/tiki.sql: [FIX]application menu: add tiki-admin.php on each Admin option to have a link like others section to the main page and not a javascript toggle
[21:31] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17037 10/branches/3.0/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [MOD] preferences: siteTitle -> browsertitle + put it on General under Site Identity fieldset + link for more site customization to L&F + one tab less (moving the version check)
[21:32] <luciash> chibaguy: np, can you test the browsertitle doing re-install via the installer ?
[21:33] * luciash is not sure how to handle upgrades to change siteTitle to browsertitle in db for upgraders ?
[21:34] <chibaguy> I'll try here with local install.
[21:34] <sylvieg> is it update `tiki_preferences` set `name`='browsertitle' where `name`='siteTitle'
[21:34] <sylvieg> ?
[21:35] <sylvieg> if you just rename the prefs
[21:35] <sylvieg> renamed
[21:37] <luciash> sylvieg: that might do the trick
[21:37] <luciash> i need to put it in tiki.sql, right ?
[21:38] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17038 10/branches/3.0/db/ (6 files): sync db
[21:38] <sylvieg> no there is no prefs in tiki.sql
[21:38] <sylvieg> you need to create a file like installer/schema/20090301_browsertitle_tiki.sql
[21:39] <sylvieg> with this line
[21:39] <luciash> ah, like this, ok
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[21:39] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17039 10/branches/3.0/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [MOD] browsertitle moved back to general prefs
[21:43] <sylvieg> I am trying to merge 3.0 to trunk php doc/devtools/svnbranchupdate.php branches/3.0
[21:43] <sylvieg> I got 'Could not find previous merge. Impossible to merge automatically.' Idea??
[21:44] <luciash> sylvieg: can it be lowercase ? what is the format of the file ? any comments i should put in ? svn:keywords Id not necessary ?
[21:44] <chibaguy> luciash, browser and site titles seem to work fine now. :-)
[21:44] <luciash> chibaguy: thanks for testing
[21:44] <sylvieg> we ususally put #your_name on the top
[21:45] <sylvieg> these files are never updated it is one shot
[21:45] <luciash> ok
[21:45] <sylvieg> but it is as you like
[21:45] <luciash> the name in comment is just then displayed in the main sql files build from it ?
[21:46] <luciash> is it better uppercase for SQL commands ?
[21:46] <sylvieg> I should never Have named trunk tiki3 - I am completly lost...
[21:47] <luciash> *g*
[21:47] <sylvieg> so far I know your choice
[21:51] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17040 10/branches/3.0/installer/schema/20090301_browsertitle_tiki.sql: [MOD] siteTitle -> browsertitle
[21:51] <amette> so, lph's RewriteRules don't work either..
[21:52] <amette> .. but I'm going to upgrade doc.tw.o now first
[21:53] <sylvieg> we redid the same mistake than for 2 call a branches 3.0 and not 3 :-(
[21:54] <luciash> sylvieg: yes, but it wouldn't be that bad if we didn't release 2.2 but 2.0.2 ;)
[21:55] <amette> huh? what's so bad about calling it 3.0 and how does 3.0.x fit in here?!? :O
[21:55] <sylvieg> because you will always checkout svn co ...3.0 even if it is a 3.10
[21:55] <luciash> maybe keep in mind that any following bugfix release should be 3.0.1 ?
[21:56] <amette> oh, right! hmpf... :-/
[21:56] <amette> luciash: I agree!
[21:56] <luciash> and major update to 3.0 will need branch 3.1 ?
[21:56] <luciash> but i'm not sure we will have it before 4.0 ;)
[21:56] <amette> luciash: the site image on doc.tw.o is now from image gallery, right? so I don't have to put that into the file system any more!?
[21:57] <luciash> amette: right
[21:57] <amette> dunno, if it needs a branch... that would be strictly correct.. dunno how the implications are, if it makes it too complicated to handle..
[21:57] <luciash> but if the gallery stores in filesystem, then you have to :-p
[21:57] <amette> luciash: great, thanks
[21:57] <amette> luciash: oh, thanks, almost forgot about that :P
[21:57] <luciash> np bro :)
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[22:04] <luciash> sylvieg: is it documented on some dev page ? i dont see it on DevTips
[22:08] <luciash> highligh doesn't highlight searched words anymore ?
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[22:12] <sylvieg> use magic menu to help found stuff +1
[22:12] <luciash> ?
[22:13] <luciash> ah, to help find stuff ?
[22:13] <sylvieg> yep
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[22:13] <luciash> i guess it's too late to fix it completely
[22:13] <sylvieg> yes
[22:13] <sylvieg> as an help
[22:14] <sylvieg> not just use the csv
[22:14] <sylvieg> to build a help menu
[22:14] <sylvieg> read the csv and put it in a tiki menu - an redirect to the actual apge
[22:15] <sylvieg> it is just to have a full entries view at a time
[22:15] <luciash> it's hard to keep in sync the csv file
[22:15] <luciash> or nobody knows what needs to be synced :-p
[22:15] <sylvieg> no - we only forget to do it recently
[22:16] <nyloth> sylvieg: why not. I think we need more brainstorming about the magic stuff to reuse the good ideas and the work that has been done.
[22:16] <nyloth> I would like to convert CSV into something else... It's easy to corrupt this file in one commit
[22:17] <luciash> imho if on every related page title of a feature would appear the link to administering it, it's pretty intuitive to find stuff
[22:17] <nyloth> I'm more interested to have this in another format, but didn't thought about it enough yet
[22:17] <sylvieg> (like the ui revamp) we need to reduce the php part that is use in magic and go back to tpl
[22:17] <luciash> it does appear on some, but not on every
[22:17] <SEWilco2> It would be nice if the sequence numbers were optional in CSV.  That might reduce conflicts.  Numbers required when pointed at.
[22:17] <sylvieg> ok so we can build directly a tiki menu
[22:17] <luciash> via the {title} smarty
[22:17] <sylvieg> with the option = the pref
[22:18] <sylvieg> if we use the css menu to reproduce the magic menu we a re good
[22:18] <SEWilco2> 10 viewers check if their phone is ringing
[22:18] <sylvieg> :-)
[22:18] <luciash> i think the magic menu should be also somewhat redone to support css menu and fit in sytle (theme)
[22:18] <luciash> *style
[22:19] <sylvieg> +1
[22:19] <nyloth> yep
[22:19] <luciash> ah, just sylvie said the same .)
[22:19] <sylvieg> i like when somebody agrees
[22:20] <nyloth> but we won't be able to do anything before 4.0... just keeping it untouched in 3.0 for the moment
[22:20] <sylvieg> after the good point in magic was the check feature - but with rick and other work there is the fieldset
[22:20] <sylvieg> agree 
[22:20] <amette> doc.tw.o is on 3.0
[22:21] <luciash> another site without search for anonymous ? ;)
[22:21] <amette> yup ;)
[22:21] <amette> you didn't find a fix for that?
[22:21] <luciash> but thanks a lot anyway :)
[22:21] <amette> it's not just giving the perm?
[22:21] <amette> you're welcome, dogfooder ;)
[22:21] <sylvieg> +1 for amette
[22:22] <luciash> unfortunatelly i didn't find it, maybe it fixed itself overnight ?
[22:22] <amette> that would be real tiki-magic admin :P
[22:23] <sylvieg> perhaps I write a wrong sql query for this perm
[22:23] <sylvieg> will check
[22:24] <luciash> sylvieg: oh, there's no checkbox to enable magic in experimental now ?
[22:24] <sylvieg> :-)
[22:25] <luciash> i listen :)
[22:25] <luciash> what ? :-o
[22:25] <SEWilco2> Everyone looks in the backscroll for 17039
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[22:27] <SEWilco2> "(03:39:42 PM) CIA-71: tikiwiki: luciash * r17039 /branches/3.0/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [MOD] browsertitle moved back to general prefs"
[22:27] <luciash> heh, what do you want to hear about that ?
[22:27] <luciash> *g*
[22:27] <marclaporte> http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=rev&revision=17039
[22:27] <SEWilco2> If someone's recording the video, it's about to get rather confusing.
[22:27] <luciash> i know, i moved it back
[22:28] <luciash> becasue it's not affecting look and feel
[22:28] <amette> SEWilco2: ;)
[22:29] <luciash> it does only change the browser titlebar, so...
[22:29] <SEWilco2> So put the title in several places.  Let them configure it where they find it.
[22:29] <luciash> yep, i am for removing the checkbox, nobody replied when i asked today
[22:30] <luciash> i tried to explain the problem, but only one listening was gary actually, it seems... :-p
[22:31] <amette> which checkbox?
[22:31] <luciash> sorry about that
[22:31] <marclaporte> ok, so Site Identity checkbox will die, and all Site identity stuff are all optional within
[22:31] <luciash> checkbox for siteidentity, i think it's obsolete
[22:31] <luciash> read the irc log ;)
[22:31] <luciash> i'll point you
[22:33] <SEWilco2> If one turns off Site Identity, doesn't that disable HTML header?  Maybe a checkbox is useful for recovery from fatal HTML error.
[22:33] <luciash> http://irc.tikiwiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2009-03-01,Sun&sel=758#l754
[22:33] <amette> how to get there, when it's fatal?
[22:34] <SEWilco2> (How one would check the box is left as an exercise for the admin.  I'd flip it in the database.)
[22:34] <luciash> yes, i agree
[22:35] <SEWilco2> I'd think General should have all mandatory things.  Configure General and the site should be functional.
[22:36] <amette> yup, that sounds very reasonable to me...
[22:36] <SEWilco2> Which "that" is that that?
[22:37] <amette> that that is that that, that you said that 2 lines ago ;)
[22:38] <luciash> actually it started here: http://irc.tikiwiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2009-03-01,Sun&sel=567#l563
[22:39] <luciash> and here i talked about the two views of site identity: http://irc.tikiwiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2009-03-01,Sun&sel=581#l577
[22:39] <luciash> http://irc.tikiwiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2009-03-01,Sun&sel=593#l589
[22:40] <chibaguy> I think fundamentally site identity / look and feel refer to visible page elements.
[22:40] <chibaguy> ...that 'personalize' the site.
[22:40] <luciash> sorry, gotta run for a little while
[22:40] <luciash> tikidog walk ;)
[22:40] <luciash> brb
[22:40] <chibaguy> man, those tikidogs....
[22:41] <luciash> :D
[22:41] <chibaguy> we see who|what are the higher power.
[22:42] <sylvieg> +1 for a tikidogs img gal
[22:42] <chibaguy> sylvieg, do you have a dog?
[22:42] <sylvieg> no
[22:42] <chibaguy> shall we expand the definition to include children?
[22:43] <sylvieg> but I have to pick up my son
[22:43] <nyloth> lol
[22:43] <sylvieg> it is my excuse to leave in emergnecy
[22:43] <nyloth> tikiexcuses gallery 
[22:44] <sylvieg> yeh good idea
[22:44] <SEWilco2> tikiexcuses slides.
[22:44] <sylvieg> tikiexcuses blog
[22:44] <Jyhem> tikiexcuses generator feature
[22:45] <Jyhem> (experimental)
[22:45] <Jyhem> (not for 3.0)
[22:45] <chibaguy> 'click to generate random excuse': 
[22:45] <SEWilco2> tikiexcuses tracker.  Search whether you've used one already.
[22:45] <nyloth> it could be magic, you know ?
[22:45] <Jyhem> no
[22:45] <SEWilco2> tikiexcuses wish list, requests.
[22:46] <chibaguy> I guess luci is talking over the browser title issue with his dog as they walk.
[22:48] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r17041 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-admin-include-look.tpl: [FIX] Site Title, subtitle, logo title and Alt desciption on logo were limited to 50 characters. Now up to 200.
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[22:55] <luciash> chibaguy: *g*, nope, she wasn't interested ;)
[22:55] <chibaguy> heh, smart dog. :-)
[22:57] <luciash> i hope you recorded what you talked about me when i was away :-p
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[22:58] <sylvieg> ok guys I have my own broadcast from ustream that works - thx to my husband - so it can be used for discussion ... wondering about the delay only
[22:58] <chibaguy> Recorder is on, yes.
[22:58] <luciash> btw, it could go to SEO category too (together with meta tags, sefurls etc.)
[22:59] <luciash> sylvieg: kewl
[22:59] <sylvieg> my husband did have to recompile the fedora kernel
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[23:01] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r17042 10/branches/3.0/lib/setup/prefs.php: [FIX] Group Alert is a very cool feature but shouldn't be on by default
[23:04] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r17043 10/branches/3.0/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] add permission/includeonly checks on files
[23:08] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03Jyhem * r17044 10/branches/3.0/ (7 files): [SEC] Added security checks
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[23:14] <sylvieg> I can not have the svnbranchupdate.sh working  - grrrr 
[23:18] <luciash> gary, unfortunatelly you have to workaround it with smarty like {assign var=foc value='foc'} ... {$foc}us
[23:19] <SEWilco2> sylvieg: Your husband impresses me.  Most guys would make a computer do a recompilation.  :-)
[23:19] * SEWilco2 lets loose the "real programmer" jokes.
[23:22] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17045 10/branches/3.0/styles/thenews.css: [FIX] code wikiplugin: nicely aligned codecaption with codelisting
[23:23] * luciash goes to open some good czech beer
[23:24] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03Jyhem * r17046 10/branches/3.0/ (6 files): [SEC] Added even more security checks
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[23:25] <luciash> (btw, amette, the search on dev.tw.o works now for anonymous because yesterday i changed the custom code form to use tiki-searchindex,php instead of tiki-searchresults)
[23:26] <amette> ah, ok :)
[23:26] <amette> cool :)
[23:27] <luciash> cheers guys !
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[23:30] <sylvieg> what is exactly the problem with tiki_p_earch - and upgrade 2 to 3 (or 1.9 to 2) is loosing the search for ano?
[23:30] <gerbert> i use PluginTracker in wiki for data entry. Upon user submiting the form(action=>Submit),how do i create a new wiki page named from the the user input in one of the tracker fields.
[23:31] <gerbert> And further how is it possible to add additional info, taken from other tracker field, to the top of new wiki page above the edit area. thanks
[23:31] <sylvieg> page selector field
[23:32] <sylvieg> doc.tw toc is broken
[23:32] <luciash> sylvieg: i noticed it yesterday on freshly upgraded dev site, that after logout the searchresults.php did return "You have to login to use..." or something like that
[23:33] <luciash> http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-searchresults.php?highlight=TikiLib&search=Go
[23:33] <luciash> see yourself
[23:33] <luciash> but mysql fulltext search is enabled and search perm is given to anon
[23:34] <sylvieg> http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=documentation is borken
[23:34] <sylvieg> mmm thx for explaination - 
[23:35] <luciash> sylvieg: for registered it works
[23:37] <luciash> huh ? wth is that string in "find templates -name "*.tpl" | xargs grep -l "§32776ee90f2fa3c9547b6a6769fba88f§discuss{/tr}" | wc -l" at http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=mass+spelling+correction ???
[23:37] <sylvieg> why maketoc is not in the plugin list?
[23:38] <luciash> where that "§32776ee90f2fa3c9547b6a6769fba88f§" comes from ??? :-p
[23:39] <sylvieg> and analytics is broken too on doc.tw
[23:39] <Jyhem> luciash: well, it stands for {tr}, of course
[23:39] <luciash> of course :D
[23:40] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r17047 10/branches/3.0/doc/devtools/.htaccess: [SEC] prevent access to devtools from web just in case
[23:40] <chibaguy> Is doc.tw.o logo missing for anyone else?
[23:40] <Jyhem> plus, if you edit the page, it's all correct. That's all I know :-(
[23:41] <sylvieg> analytics is the <x> problem
[23:41] <luciash> Jyhem: in preview or after save ?
[23:41] <luciash> chibaguy: missing
[23:41] <Jyhem> luciash: after save it's §32776ee90f2fa3c9547b6a6769fba88f§ again :-(
[23:42] * luciash hates differncies between preview mode and after save mode :-p
[23:42] <sylvieg> I took away the <x> in footer in admin->look on doc.tw and no more crappy text in footer
[23:43] <Jyhem> luciash: I didn't mean preview, I meant in the edit field it's all right
[23:43] <luciash> sylvieg: et voila :)
[23:43] <luciash> Jyhem: i hate the differencies anyway ;)
[23:43] <chibaguy> sylvieg, I took a <x> out of doc.tw.o site identity custom code also.
[23:45] <sylvieg> :-)
[23:45] <sylvieg> the {toc} I do not understand
[23:46] <SEWilco2> gerbert: I don't know if a new page can be automatically created, but if you want to display tracker data without allowing alteration on the Wiki page then you need a tracker plugin.
[23:46] <sylvieg> lph should know - there is a couple of cache for the plugin
[23:47] <sylvieg> gebert: page selector field if I can have the doc.tw.org working again - I can give the url.....
[23:47] <SEWilco2> sylvieg: I don't know if {maketoc} is a plugin per se.  But it's at bottom of 'Wiki help" list, not "Plugin help".
[23:48] <sylvieg> it is {toc} in http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=documentation
[23:48] <SEWilco2> I am able to see doc.tw.o.
[23:49] <sylvieg> and do you see this page?
[23:49] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r17048 10/branches/3.0/templates/pagehistory.tpl: [FIX] Some changes related to the fact that a default diff style is now set for the site, to avoid to have the diff which happens automatically
[23:50] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17049 10/branches/3.0/styles/thenews.css: [ENH] Removed padding in siteloginbar for better consistency with search form.
[23:50] <SEWilco2> sylvieg: Yes.  Are you interested in " WARNING: Plugin disabled toc!"
[23:51] <sylvieg> ok you have the same problem
[23:51] <sylvieg> we need lph - to many cache...
[23:52] <luciash> yep
[23:53] <marclaporte> http://www.wikisym.org/ws2009/  -> check login box
[23:53] <marclaporte> [ Register | I forgot my pass ]
[23:53] <marclaporte> Can we avoid having the ]  on the second line?
[23:53] <luciash> yep
[23:53] <marclaporte> either unbreakable space or just to remove [ ]
[23:54] <luciash> white-space: nowrap iirc
[23:54] <luciash> or &nbsp;]
[23:54] <sylvieg> about 2 buttons?
[23:54] <sylvieg> {button}
[23:55] <sylvieg> lack of sound? was perfect
[23:56] <luciash> i think so too but maybe we have it set too loud before :)
[23:56] <sylvieg> YAAAAA
[23:56] <SEWilco2> Snake argument.
[23:56] <luciash> *g*
[23:56] <amette> :D
[23:56] <SEWilco2> Hisssss
[23:56] <chibaguy> you people are never satisfied......
[23:57] <chibaguy> ;-)
[23:57] <sylvieg> I love you chibaguy - I was able to be with you
[23:57] <SEWilco2> Aha.  The projector fan was blowing on the mic.
[23:59] <gerbert> luciash:last sunday you suggested to use wiki + tracker for questions/answers site.i did some research and it looks that even though i can utilize tracker for data entry form,still i cant use wiki format in the text area fields of the tracker as well as Score feature, so it is better to have collaboration on answers through wiki pages.For that matter do you know is there any additional plugins/modules i can use.
[23:59] <sylvieg> amette: can you check if you have the file lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_toc.php on toc