I think it is a broken feature.. tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17103 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [ENH] Install steps terms improved, etc. tarballs for testing, before we tag the real beta1: http://vps2.etazo.net/tikiwiki-3.0.prebeta1.zip http://vps2.etazo.net/tikiwiki-3.0.prebeta1.tar.gz http://vps2.etazo.net/tikiwiki-3.0.prebeta1.tar.bz2 the release is planned in April.... need to plan doc/ translation / debug ? one month... sylvieg1: How to score a non-forum Article post? I think that wasn't working in 2.2; we fixed it locally but haven't had time to port to trunk. tikiwiki: 03campbe13 * r17104 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [FIX] installer buttons my husband gets a job - begining next Monday - :-)] great! yeh -- with the economy it was scaring that's for sure. chibaguy: do you have a full time job now? 'full'? No ok - so any theme job we can find must go to you Have some possibilities, but nothing for certain. Heh, that would be nice, thanks. :-) tricia is going into the tw business - I will not be the only girl - good me too and if you check both it is not working +1 for marc we need only one and not an option but ... the ticket thing must not be optional mose's dead feature not really you find a 'bad' feature yeh +1 for tricia if you activate the both csrf on a site - is it working Patricia, are you there ? was not working for me sebastian is a great tw user never afraid - always trying idea What's the topic ? and he did a lot of nice sites seb: yes crashed browser 'm back csrf security .. why it is optional - and why we have choice? Did you succeed with the menu ? I saw you made a few attempts... Back to square 1, I guess... not yet, i get it to show up but still drop down we had 3 preferences sections now back into 1 but menu ....... Any YAML specialist in tha house? do not give choice to an admin no yaml-ers showed up Grrr security tw must take care of it tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r17105 10/branches/3.0/lib/setup/prefs.php: [MOD] Turning off some features on a new install of the bare bones install. Relevant features will appear in appropriate profiles. BUT - personally I never understood the 2 choices perhaps I know btter now but the bos 'CSRF security' must dissapear box I am not a security person - I trust everyone you need to have an evil spirit to understand it is .. like you know where you come from - it is not fake so you can not genreate fake url i will go for Protect against CSRF with a ticket. in a core feature Tricia : you keep on trying or do you abandon? and delete the choice 'csrf security one last try then it's yours but i am not an expert on security - i never find a security hole yeh slordjette: it's all yours I want to throw it through a window Well, you are in the right room for that ! true but not a good idea, are you going to try ??? A few jquery quirks in branch 3 -- hide/show columns only changes side column display but not center column width; changing a jquery effect preferences also changes the theme to default. I'll continue tomorrow... I'll ask Louis-Philippe. ok bonne idee Tool tips over user names have no content. if slordjette can have lph back +1 .. is it the menu option? look at the cnrs sites tikiwiki: 03Jyhem * r17106 10/branches/3.0/installer/tiki-installer.php: [FIX] Get rid of double call of Smarty_Tikiwiki in some circumstances, and overall simplification the idea with user-level was to show to user - only menu options they can understans great idea have a good dinne do we have apge with all the top rated bu on tw? .. bad finger do we have a page with top bugs whatever the feature is? yes, on right hand side of dev.tw.o You can sort bugs and people can vote with ratings many people put priority 9 however yes I know - I use it on feature basis - but I did not find something across feature - in fact I think I can have the info by myself http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=All+Bugs thx .. nice there is a glitch between persomal calendar and the perm - i ma onit i ma onit <= indian expression ? ;) i know I need to focus on typing - soory dammit sorry no problem ;p how do I enable the wysiwyg editor (v 2.2) we just need a sylvieg1 spell checker ;) +1 for Caarrie :) cratel: admin->feature: experimental why's feature? I'm new to tikiwiki. sorry, why=where. Where is feature? sorry. got it. doesn't look like wysiwyg to me at all. The text still has all the formatting codes rather than looking like the layout. goto to admin home --- then click on feature once the feature is activated, I seem to remember that you need to choose wysiwyg in wiki config (not sure) tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r17107 10/branches/3.0/lang/fr/language.php: [FIX] typo in french translation jylem there is alot of options - tune your options nyloth needs to put volume on the micor must be closer s/on/on or something is definitely broken with calendar ... selecting a calendar must not give the select calendar box.. I was answering cratel tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r17108 10/branches/3.0/lib/setup/prefs.php: tikiwiki: [MOD] Change __Allow same file to be uploaded more than once__ default behavior tikiwiki: in file galleries from __Never__ to __Only in different galleries__ because it tikiwiki: can cause user support issues and most people won't need this. sorry Jyhem sylvieg1: I agree. I would prefer to have one button per calendar, which includes a checkbox inside it (before the calendar name) that allows you to hide/show the calendar in the current view well, I said button, but not necessarily a "button" i think the behavior was like that before thanks everybody. I seem to have it working more or less. I don't remember, but it's my preference. I don't like to have a select box, and it's quite limited to just have buttons that only shows the calendar you clicked on tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r17109 10/branches/3.0/lib/setup/prefs.php: [MOD] Wiki page printing is not an essential feature for the bare-bones install visible calendar must be the list of calendar place - clicking on a calendar must be I select it who has some cold> ? we had one feet last day we got about 3 inches and schools closed :P sylvieg1: yep not too much but enough to freeze maschussetts infrastructure tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17110 10/branches/3.0/templates/module.tpl: [FIX] div.box overflow=y was always on instead of being set by module argument. Caarrie: where do you live Carolina? North yep it is a lot of snow for north carolina we need one feet at least to close school well we have had even more then that at one time this year marc ned s to document a lot all the profiles because it is so... case specific Caarrie: did you finish your school and are workin? or still learning? still in school chibaguy: now comes the scary part.... ;) got a line for your hosts file: 78.46.199.145 themes.tikiwiki.org Caarrie: you are learning a lot .. I think just taking my time ;) whew... that was only Caarrie ... ;) ;) Caarrie: when is your graduation? i hope december cool one year - can do a lot in one year yep wish you the best thanks nyloth speak out - I can not understand - thx well, I usually don't speak loudly :) i understand but everybody is speaking here Btu as yuo can see it's possbile to undrestnad evne wihtout a prefcet message :) :P :-) :'(need tiki_p_admin_calendar to create a personal calendar - bad sylvieg1: probably should we consider this as a bug ;) yeh as a long time bug probably like the user tracker - whe it is yours - it is yours - you can create - modify... so who is the one who have a cold? name? stay awway.. sorry sylvieg1 - but don't fear, technology isn't yet far enough to transport viruses over video streaming afaik ;) :-) i do not care I am french - not like the american people fearing about all thebacteria :) tikiwiki: 03Jyhem * r17111 10/branches/3.0/lang/ (35 files in 35 dirs): [FIX] Update translations after installer strings chnaged category perm will be like group perm - one categ perms can have the same view than group perm it will simplify so much code nyloth: tiki-login.php - line 326 thx tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r17112 10/branches/3.0/tiki-login.php: [FIX] tiki-login: assign_by_ref is using the second param by reference, so it needs to be a variable tikiwiki: 03Jyhem * r17113 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [FIX] Handle release versions with spaces (like beta versions) admin can validate - I think waht clear the cache when you run the installer - I think it is missing ok, I will clear cache manually sylvieg1: how do you translate this in French : "Configure the General Settings" ... we didn't found something very good here ? Mettre a jour les parametres generaux generaux globaux? desolee terminoly setting = confugaration terminoly seulement si fatigué ;p "globaux" is more a translation of "global", no ? hmm... well, I'll put "généraux" I think meere a jour la configuration generale dammit typing mettre I only pickup the translation that is already done - assuming that as a wiki vague - translation finishes to be the right one "Mettre à jour" implies existing settings... I think I'll put "Configurer les paramètres généraux" for the moment. If someone want to change after, no pb :) +1 :) i appreciate pkdille job .. he homogenize a lot - a lot more to do somthing is not working with paginatinion in list tracker have IE6 buggies ?? 2 secs :-) ??[x]: Usage: ?? [> nick] \ok I have one page of documentation about what happens whith registration/validationn status perhaps I can publish it it is a 'prvapss' dance or perhpas it is secret behavior for securyt rason wil do an email to admion What's that noise? Anyone knows what is the feature name of the "TikiWiki Assistant" module? Still messing with the profiles slordjette: : look at system name of module tiki-admin_modules.php can not focus anylore - time for bed for me - good night slordjette: hi I got it working to a point No way ! if drop down only at end I can have several singles, try it out Yeah, I know... But this is not want we want... We can't adapt the message to technology, we must adapt technology to the message. Still looking for that feature name... Assistant... Someone knows ? Is there a feature listing somewhere? tikiwiki: 03Jyhem * r17114 10/branches/3.0/lang/fr/language.php: [ENH] No : at the beginning of next line tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r17115 10/branches/3.0/lib/setup/prefs.php: [MOD] Turning off __user watches translation__ in barebones install slordjette: you want to deactivate module? Yes OK, Good night everyone ! See you tomorrow. Don't forget to clean up a bit if you want the clean-up guy to do the rest! http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/Module+Handler slordjette, good night. :-) ricks around ? tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17116 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-editpage.tpl: [FIX] Wider edit comment textarea we're about to package beta 1 for real. Any more final commits for beta 1? drum roll please Beta1 is coming out! tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r17117 10/branches/3.0/db/tiki-secdb_3.0_mysql.sql: [REL] SecDB for 3.0beta1 ok . final check: http://vps2.etazo.net/tikiwiki-3.0.prebeta1.zip http://vps2.etazo.net/tikiwiki-3.0.prebeta1.tar.gz http://vps2.etazo.net/tikiwiki-3.0.prebeta1.tar.bz2 beta 1 packaging underway... I've changed the _htaccess to .htaccess in order to get the rewrite rules and enabled sefurls, however my homepage still shows /tiki-index.php and the rewrites seem to work when I list pages but I can't access them can anyone provide some insight? lq_842, does www.example.com/HomePage work (I mean that url style?) tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r17118 10/tags/3.0beta1/: [REL] Tagging release no it does not. same thing as the others, 404 not found iis or Aapche ? Apache AllowOverride set correctly in apache config to allow for .htaccess ? it's on a shared host. someone the other day showed me theirs worked on the host Blue Host, so I switched to them so I would think the settings are correct on the host it seems to rewrite the page names and all, except for the homepage but none of the links it writes work What do you mean by 'links it writes'? Can you give an example? what do you mean by "it seems to rewrite the page names and all" chibaguy: :) when I list all pages in the wiki, it rewrites them as mysite.com/name1+name2+name3, however the page links do not actually work then the .htaccess is not being used by your installation ask your hoster, if you need to enable something or so it would have to be or it wouldn't perform the rewrite I thought? the .htaccess goes only in one direction... ... it makes mysite.com/HomePage go to mysite.com/tiki-index.php?page=HomePage without you noticing it... nevermind I just figured out it's the SEF option that rewrites the page names ... Tiki rewrites the links do the rewrite codes on the rewrite rules wiki page work? I mean do they need updating of any kind? lq_842, what TikiWiki version are you using? 2.2 I think the .htaccess that's included in the version is up to date. (for that version) hmmm, I'll try downloading it again. I pasted the stuff of the website to try it you might want to try the newest beta - just about 58 minutes old will do! since the other didn't work also I'm talking with my host tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r17119 10/branches/3.0/lang/fr/language.php: more french translations tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r17120 10/branches/3.0/ (installer/tiki-installer.php templates/tiki-install.tpl): [MOD] installer: only propose profiles installation when tiki can connect to the profiles website I have been assured they have mod rewrite enabled on all servers. Any other ideas? tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r17121 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [FIX] installer: remove the 'By clicking Continue you agree to the terms of this license' sentence because the user can bypass this page anyway. ok I got the rewrites working, except the main page still comes up as tiki-index.php do I have to add another rule of some kind to make it just mydomain.com/ not that I know of... http://tikiwiki.org/HomePage works but if you enter http://tikiwiki.org/ , it'll complete with tiki-index.php. Is that what you mean? If so, I don't know how to avoid that. time to go home here. will be back later. good morning europa any idea why I get a 404 error when trying to save a wiki page with sefurls enabled? The page saves, but still the error is annoying. redirection bug how can I fix it? hey marclaporte, any idea why I get a 404 error when trying to save a wiki page with sefurls enabled? luciash says it is a redirection bug, any idea how to fix it? you using structures? I use categories instead of structures what do you see in the URL bar when receiving the 404 error ? good early morning marclaporte ! ;) morning The requested URL /HomePage&bl=n&saved_msg=y was not found on this server. marclaporte: congrats for releasing the beta, now the big fixes must continue ! lq_053: i see, there is ? needed instead of the first & lq_053: as a workaround you can adjust your rewrite rules to change first "&" to "?" when there's none lol more rewrite stuff ; ; try with /HomePage?bl=n&saved_msg=y if you'll still get the error no that does fix it, you are right sorry that i can't help you with building the regexp from top of my head currently now it's ok I'll be posting for help on the modrewrite.com forum anyway fine :) you can share then ;) I'm reading through trying to figure out how to change it so that tiki-index.php just goes to my main site address lq_053: hold on sup? try this: RewriteRule ^(.*)tiki-index.php$ /$1 [R=301,L] gives me a loop error maybe you'll need this before: RewriteCond %{THE_REQUEST} ^GET\ .*/tiki-index\.php\ HTTP or you have to set in your apache conf that tiki-index.php is equiv to index.php, index.html, etc oh, in the RewriteRule should be a "\" before the ".php" sorry still no good I tried with and without the condition and with and without the / \ yeah I typed it wrong ^^ I tried it correctly in the htaccess file though but i think you have only to tell apache to treat /tiki-index.php as / and it should work I'm on a shared host ah, maybe there's another Rewrite rule for that.... try DirectoryIndex tiki-index.php what do you mean try that? put this in your .htaccess file k oh snap! that's awesome and so simple thank you *g* was just a deduction ;) you're welcome maybe you can help me with one more thing. I want to change the tiki icon that shows up in the tab favicon ? I've changed the icon file, favicon.png that is in the root directory but still the icon does not change change it at Admin > L&F and clear all your browser cache I tried clearing the cache already I'll rename it and try that ok, all I had to do was rename it for it to work what browser ? firefox ok tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17122 10/branches/3.0/styles/thenews.css: [FIX] CSS class .diffheader: oops, missing td yo jonnyb jonnyb: I found some IE6 bugs thought I would pretend they are related to jQuery So I could get you to fix them :-) greetings - wasn't expecting anyone to be still (already?) up :D I need sleep just preparing the day go sleep - you guys had a busy day! Beta1 is quite impressive was the ie6 bug the pnghack thing? (i was just replying to it) in 8 hours: http://tikiwiki.org/TikifestMontreal-meeting2009-March-03 dunno the cause 1- red button for edit help is not clickable 2- plugin edit helper doesn't work ok, "see" you at the meeting - sweet dreams! hi jonnyb 1- red button for edit help is still not optional :-/ sure hi luciash it was the pngfix thing i was planning on making optional same here ;) i thought it's obvious from the thread me2 i propose to put another tab on look and feel called experimental too and put it there and the other tab can be merged with the first one i guess (only favicon there anyway) i was thinking the stuff at the bottom of tab 2 could go to "other" (like use folders etc) ah, ok, that's logical too i'll make an experimental one - or maybe the "ui effects" jquery one should be renamed? yup, that would be better maybe rename ui effects tab and put the correctPNG there too you can have fieldset named UI effects inside the tab indeedy :) by the way - where has "user can switch languages" gone? i think later we will need to rewrite the function bit to match only images having rel="fixpng" or something like that so it will be more stable jonnyb: it has accidentally disappeared by rick's revamping i'll hunt it down... (or class="fixpng") more revamping still on the way :) don't you sleep? jonnyb: we europeans do not sleep usually at this time of the day ;) i'm in czech rep. ah - i thought you were in Canada do you think Marc meant the plugin edit forms when he said "2- plugin edit helper doesn't work" (on IE6) hm, i think it stopped to work in IE6 recently :-p you know, the little icon next to the wiki plugin allows editing of plugin params it (used to) depend on mootools, which would die if swfix was on now can use jquery so might be more cooperative tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17123 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-user_preferences.tpl: [ENH] Add explanation about feature_community_mouseover (because i hadn't understood it for all these years) hmm, jonnyb, isn't it now even more confusing ? ;) actually what the checkbox does is that the user allows to be his info displayed in the mouseover tooltip hmmmm? when someone hovers his nick i think it's a stupid preference i can understand not wanting to show _my_ info, but why not see other people's how would you put it? (i still have the file open) it doesn't affect other's ppl mouseover, does it ? yes - apparently if it works as you say, then maybe someone got annoyed by the mouseover popups of overlib and wanted to make use of site more pleasure without them for him, while admin still prefers to use them actually i think it was mose who added this user preference but i'm not sure :) jonnyb: when you think about it more it can really get annoying on bigger community site, so maybe it's not that stupid to have this user choice ;) fair enough - so how to explain it best? meanwhile i have tiki-user-preferences.php doing WSoD when i save (dull!) i'd put {tr}Displays users' info tooltip for every user who allows his information to be public{/tr} but that's not what it does (afaict) hang on... you might be right :) *g* better than mine - i put it in in fact i'll replace both lines with: {tr}Displays users' info tooltip on mouseover for every user who allows his information to be public{/tr} ok, just s/Displays/Display/ and maybe his/her ? ;) :-p tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17124 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-user_preferences.tpl: [ENH] Better wording for show_mouseover_user_info pref (thanks Luci) 2 late :) oops, too late :) i'm still getting white page when i save user prefs though - more imporantly do you? jonnyb: i have to enable user prefs first ;) mine's on a fairly old DB - like from a few weeks ago, so might be some mess in it you can mysqldump and try fresh install over it then sql back i will, but i'd like to know why or just create fresh db and change in db/local.php the name (this isn't even on my list!) ah :) but you do db upgrades via the installer right ? yup hmm, a glitch, i just checked on the userPreferences feature and it says after apply: preference feature jquery disabled my first step hmmm i've often found initialising new prefs a bit "odd" i can fix it if you're lost (btw, thanks for the pretty notifications on the admin - nice!) i'm pretty familiar last days with these bugs np :) i'm more worried about user-prefs dying - it's in the template somewhere i hope it's not low memory limit and i've never found a way to debug tiki smarty well oh yep, the tpl looks broken from the first sight at the preferences screen you use web developer for FF ? extension you can easily check for xhtml validity by sending local file to the validator do you mean the .tpl? cos there's nothing coming out of the browser when it fails hi Matthew hi but it doesn't die with WSoD here after changing prefs think it might be the evil mootools! :\ hey MatWho you have them enabled ? is Montreal awake yet? MatWho: i don't think so jonnyb: you have mootools enabled ? well good morning all you happy Europeans good morning to the UK didn't - tried it, still WSoD i have mootools on btw i'll try to switch to jquery (can be both on ?) should bo ok *be it works with both enabled do you have ajax enabled ? yup that might be it all experimental stuff off - most of everything else off, and still doing it... hm, try clear the tiki cache then, i can't think anythink else than low php memory_limit causing this did that mem set to 128MB don't worry - i'll get there - thx luciash: seems to be to do with the display_timezone pref - when it's set to "detect" or "site" i get WSoD - not if i pick a zone... aaaah must be server related, it works for me i also get 100s of notices about it with "Detect user timezone if browser allows, otherwise default" Site default works for me too where do you set site default? :P tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17125 10/branches/3.0/lib/tikidate-php5.php: [FIX] Fix timezone_open() failing with empty param problem with tooltip is it displays blank tooltip, when pref feature community mouseover is disabled preference name: feature_community_mouseover i know - but i can't set prefs here without WSoD, so i thought i better fix that first... (tangents! tangents!) :) i think this will be hard to fix as it's server settings dependent it seems (or some bultin php function) and it doesn't show my avatar, bueheheh :) the not showing empty tooltips thing should be easy... once i get there! sure i also had a missing avatar at one point... might be worth adding to the 3.0 page tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17126 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-admin-include-general.tpl: [FIX] 2 divs not closed (led to missing tab boxes in Safari) +1 luciash for th CSRF - I forgot the point sylvieg1: np :) tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17127 10/branches/3.0/lib/smarty_tiki/modifier.userlink.php: [FIX] Suppress empty user info jquery tooltips tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17128 10/branches/3.0/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js: [FIX] JQuery tooltips (clueTips) not high enough z-index to show in front of admin panels - now set to z-index of 400 I am listening to the MP3 of Jquery/quick tags conference call - so far the best Jonnyisums are - "coding till I cant see" and "It's always a bad idea to test when lots of people are watching" ;) I thank you! 8) :) lunch time see you soon ... tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17129 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-user_preferences.tpl: [FIX] Notices (not fix my WSoD on save prefs when display_timezone is empty or Site) tikiwiki: 03sept_7 * r17130 10/third_party/htmlpurifier/ (324 files in 30 dirs): [UPD] HTMLPurifier update to 3.3.0 tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17131 10/branches/3.0/tiki-modules.php: [FIX] Notices mouse over on user is broken for me this is weird, i reinstalled database (not upgrade) but still i see my previously set stuff (even after all cache clear) there is als the SESSION i cleared all two days ago it warked as expected still hi syvlieg1 - user info how broken now? the < in the html are >.... ah - which browser? (Fx seems to work it out) firefox but I do not think it is a browser issue - the html code has been 'htmlspecial'... on the mac it displays fine it needed some sort of encoding to live in the title attribute, that one seemed to work... jonnyb: when i have mootools and jquery on, which one is used for shadowbox ? something broken/change with CODE plugin? on doc.tw.o all examples are now parsed? see: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/pluginversions#Usage jquery (of course ;) ) if ($prefs.feature_jquery_tooltips) { should be if ($prefs.feature_jquery_tooltips == 'y') ?{ jonnyb: jqueryTiki.replection = true; in head javascript section... is it a typo ? sylvieg1 and luciash - both yes hi ricks99 hi all: beta looks nice. good work all ricks99: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Release30process#Blockers tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17132 10/branches/3.0/lib/smarty_tiki/modifier.userlink.php: syntax its not just the hash.. it is acutally parsing (or is it all tied together)? together k. also, version plugin is busted. :( if u have more than 3 versions, the "middle" version show all children :( it is normal that bu default feature_jquery is off and feature_jquery_tooltips is on I think my problem is that jquery is off and the other jquery feature are on tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17133 10/branches/3.0/lib/tikidate-php5.php: [FIX] Removed parameter from DateTime object constructor. "Z" (timezone) part was incorrect and causing error notice. Defaults to "now" but please watch out for this in other timezones. ricks99: http://irc.tikiwiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2009-03-02,Mon&sel=511#l507 ok that the problem... jonnyb do you think it is better to test everywhere if ($prefs['feature_jquery_tooltips'] == 'y' && $prefs['feature_jquery'] == 'y') or it is better to have the sub feature turn off id jsquery is off? @luciash: none, sorry. been busy with 'real' life. sylvieg1: +1 for the second option sylvieg1: hmmm - i was going to say "yes" (to test both) but not sure now... i quite like it doing loads of stuff when you switch it on so me +1 for option 1 - anyone else? hmmm :) (i thought i had been doing it that way anyway - just missed some) it should be checked like that anyway (option 1) otherwise it will crash when jquery disabled "crash" == meybe it degrades nicely but can cause problems ricks99: okay, np should all of those inline styles be moved to admin.css? userlink is the only place that needs it, so adding $prefs['feature_jquery'] == 'y' && there now ricks99: +1 (except creating new one via mysqladmin) to test how it sees user after new installation tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17134 10/branches/3.0/lib/ (smarty_tiki/modifier.userlink.php tikilib.php): [FIX] test also jquery is on tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17135 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-user_menu.tpl: [FIX] Notices tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17136 10/branches/3.0/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [ENH] pick user avatar: updated description string reflecting the reality (not only gifs are possible) + redirect to prevent resubmit on reload (ok, seems i've somewhat succeeded when logged out my admin first) tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17137 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-admin-include-look.tpl: [MOD]jquery: warn jquery feature must be on ad the sub setting are on by default tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17138 10/branches/3.0/templates/modules/mod-calendar_new.tpl: [FIX] Notices because if a user has only one option like admin users and no other one - you need to create the section so for each option below you need more or less an 'admin' section ah, i thought for these are the permissions/sections separated by commas used permissions are a AND??? i think on Admin > Menus tiki-admin_menu_options.php it's terribly hard to edit the menu 42 there when there are dozens of Admin menu options pointing to the same tiki-admin.php perhaps you are right luciash - need more test on my online server tiki3 database login not work tiki installer show blank page PHP 5.0.4, MySql 5.0.41 did you check your apache error log? sylvieg1: e.g. there are 3 Newsletters (ID 105,106 and 107) sections level 0, one has perm tiki_p_subscribe_newsletters, second has tiki_p_send_newsletters and third tiki_p_admin_newsletters... sylvieg1: couldn't there be one with the perms separated by comma ? I can not answer without testing.. ok i'm wondering about that because there are others which have, e.g. Received Pages (ID 46) has Permissions: tiki_p_view,tiki_p_admin_received_pages so i guess it should work and simplify the menu size and editing section is a AND .. a little stupid but ... and perm too.. not it will nto work hi guys we need an option - it is OR or a AND between section / perms hi nkoth3 I won't be online much longer today, maybe 1 hour @luciash: hvave moved inline styles in admin: general and admin: login to admin.css. where to commit? i also have to go out for an hour or so soon, but will be back fro the meeting thing later it was the same problem with groups - people were confused sylvieg1: you mean Received pages can access only user with both of these perms, right ? ricks99: branches/3.0 hi nelson tx luciash: yes it's little stupid, yes yes - I agree to change - but think it need an option for compatibility ricks99: : you were missed these last few days or a message on devle list.... tx. "real" life got in the way :) hehe glad to see you back in fantasy world ... a message on devel list and we hange the behavior? or somebody will use the AND behavior? sylvieg1 : not items we can't use / slash in a internal link ? ((myStruct/myPage))) s0nix: is your wiki page name "myStruct/myPage" ? tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17139 10/branches/3.0/ (2 files in 2 dirs): tikiwiki: [MOD] Put back theme drop-down so it doesn't change the theme without you clicking "apply". It does a post back onchange so you can select theme options. tikiwiki: Changed message displayed when drop-down showing theme other than the site theme as it was unclear before (suggestions gratefully recieved!). tikiwiki: Moved users change theme below theme option. tikiwiki: Would be better if you could preview themes before selecting... TODO yes but the link just doesn't regonize the page name s0nix: go to Admin > Wiki and select full format for wiki page names links tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17140 10/branches/3.0/lib/tikilib.php: syntax ((myStruct/myPage))) is working for me - so it is the setting luciash spoke about hi all hi is there anything going on in Monreal I should watch in on? MatWho: currently no ustream luciash: hmm i'm looking for this option MatWho: evening 18:00 your time ok but I will look out for an announcement on IRC 18:00 is ok for me good, i selected "complete" and that's work. thx in about 3h f*^&k so much to do :-) marclaporte: tell me ;) marclaporte: re the mail: it's linked from DevTips yay (already was) http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=TikiStringsFormatConvention I see no backlinks weird y is baclinks on on dev.tw.o ? i bet it's off seriously... i don't understand why the pages are not handled using structure path automaticaly, that just ... very bad because structures are not made SEFURL compatible, they use ref_id marclaporte: this is an old page.... the use of page alias doesn't fix anything.... if the url doesn't include a &structure=... , the title at the top of the page is the entire page name... ugly s0nix: you can switch the page titles off and put !MyPage at top of your wiki page marclaporte: you want backlinks on on dev.tw.o ? @luciash: u changed the doc.tw.o home page. instead of 2x2 boxeson home page, i now see 1 column. i think that makes the page too 'long'? ricks99: nope, it dynamically wraps... for higher monitor resolutions it's side by side... it was ugly on large monitor when done fixed 2x2 aligned on left and white space on right maybe the boxes are also too large ? ah... i h8 my small monitor maybe we don't need left & right cols? dont knowl... ricks99: i have 1920x1200 resolution, you know ;) can you switch them off on doc.tw.o ? we can enable it have other doc.tw.o revmp ideas... new home page was onlystep 1 i personally like the big boxes-- makes it easy to figure out where to go. but now (on my montitor at least) "get help" is below the fold hmm, marc, backlinks are on on dev.tw.o marclaporte: seems a bug ? ricks99: kind of like them too, but we should stay consistent with the site look and feel and with the other tw.o sites ricks99: maybe we can dogfood the fancylist wiki plugin i'd like to see the other sites revamped, too i revamped dev.tw.o homepage bit already y. id like to see the three "what do u want to do" boxes moved up (and more graphical) luciash: Is setting "/" as delimiter of wiki page display supposed to work? in a page link s0nix: don't understand, syntax is ((WikiPage|This link goes to my wiki page)) ha, i'll specify the name like this also. thx dev.tw.o is somewhat unresponsive to me currently :-/ I will tell amette *rick wonders how easy it will be to translate "bare-bones " :) Hi all :) hi Last TikiFest day :/ Hi all hi nyloth :) polom ricks99: not that bad, there are worse like "management" and "groupware" ;) I will try and stay online as much as I can, but text only. Depends on EV-DO network coverage. But $3 per MB once I cross the border means I can only send/receive "telegrams" lol. polom Jyhem nkoth3: going to US ? y what's wrong with simply "default"? bare-bones highlights that is is really skeletal - so users are encouraged to select another profile (there will be some more by release time) dev and doc is another virtual machine each ? doc works, dev doesn't maybe "minimal"? +1^ why not tikiwiki: 03ricks99 * r17141 10/branches/3.0/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [MOD]new css styles for admin ui revamp. removed the inline styles. thx We are wondering, here in Montreal, if the "assistant" module is usefull anymore. In fact, the default homepage should be enough... and the assistant can't be removed from profiles (which only add things, not remove)... anybody againt removing this module ? still fighting the coffee machine :-( (well, at least not displaying it, not necessarily removing it completely from tiki) +1 +10 oups :) well, what is in the assistant which could not be on the intro welcoming wiki page ? nothing ok, we'll remove it you can even kil it completelly imho do upgraders get neither/either assistant/welcoming page? i suppose if the answer is neither, kill the assistant nope the only thing the module has.. identifies menu 42 as the deefault menu chibaguy, marc, amette, .... just arrived do the video will start soon I suppose s/do/so/ k, maybe they have views on the assistant sure ;) "the assistant" sounds a bit like a name of a movie hehe *g* luciash: not a so bad idea ;) that would help to clear up the confusion between the "admin" and the "feature admin" pages... the filename can remain the same I think, could just be a label thing, right? you could say go to Setup > Admin > Wiki, not go to Admin > Admin home > Wiki (sounds wth ?) imho feature admin should be feature activation confusing for newbies nkoth3: yes, clicking the Admin section does only javascript togggle anyway now as the current tiki-admin.php almost exclusively sets up preferences, best for me would be Setup > Preferences > Wiki, but then the sorted menu will not allow "Preferences" on top luciash: well... for me there should not be Amin > Admin home > Wiki , but just Admin (or Setup) > Wiki tricia: hmm, we have no "Feature Admin" now nyloth: +1 I don't understand why the content of 'Admin' menu is not the same as the Admin home nyloth: +1 yeah, that is really confusing for beginners... Hello guys, will be with you soon hey I can see amette! because of bad design obviously ;) hi regisb well - in the sense of "Setup" yes. Amette you look awesome! hi but the contents of the admin menu has all other non-setup admin things tiki-admin.php is somewhat different though... should be tiki-admin_prefs.php the others are already configuration of preferences you have enabled or viewing logs, so somewhat different tasks nkoth3: things that could not be accessible from the Admin home (not necessarilly directly at first level) ? i guess what i mean is admin > features well, another word you can use is "config" vs "admin" *rick thought "admin" = "administer", as in, "Administer the Features, Administer the Wiki" etc how does that differ from "config features, configure wiki, etc? ok, lets start with small steps ;) rename "Admin" section to "Setup" (or "System") ? I don't like "System" good morning. streaming has started.... :-) to me "to configure" is different from "to administer". "configure" is those things I do once when I first start using thre feature and rarely after. "Administer" are things I do more often. ricks99: for me "configuration or administration" is done after you "set up a preference" hm.. for me, setup is a one-time function i agree ^^ ie, the tikiwiki installler yes, set up, anable/disable Hi all I just found an article on usability http://www.playingwithwire.com/2009/03/open-source-and-usability-joomla-vs-wordpress/ so maybe "System" i better :-p which could contain Preferences, Administration (the current tiki-admin_something.php), Security, SysAdm and Info or something like that hi Youcef also we don't have to stick with current Admin section but we can add one more called Setup and include every Preferences section there as menu item and the rest would stay in current Admin section I can see and follow the tikifest wawn super! Marc seems busy! hi nahhh, Marc is just discussing. He does that a lot :-) I finished yesteraday coding the the spellchecher for research I mean google-like research edit box i work fine with french and english it* error: "toolbar set 'tiki' doesn't exist - WYSIWYG editor under firefox (don't get it under IE7) TW 2.2 Hi Marc yo, what are you guys doing with doc and dev...?!? I have just turned my computer on and both sites die.... :O I haven't been able to access Dev all morning either i would like to have to your advice about the spellchecker for search in Tiki yeah, marc already told me that luciash told him and I already restarted and I don't know exactly what's up... :-/ is it a feature that can be included in the v 3.0? ... I'm working on it!! the database is going crazy... :O 99% CPU.. weird... ok, sites back up do you mean that you're working on this issue? yup, just finished working on it ;) k, sites back up, lets bring them down again ;) thx amette ROFL :P any ideas? you're welcome, bro sylvieg: about sefurl stuff (which is nice btw): why using a smarty filter instead of directly generating good links through buttons ? (just a question, no problem with that) hivemind: sorry, nope nothing re: the WYSIWYG bug? dang good link through button? think so. works fine in IE, notsomuch in Firefox (this is over an SSL connection if that matters) Sylvie, question for you. nyloth: I do not understand sylvieg: smarty button could generate sefurl links directly, instead of tiki-something.php (or AJAX links) sylvieg: because in the current case it consumes more CPU to parse again the non-sefurl URLS yeh but for a ref to a page in a wiki page? I will not do a button? no, but this could be handled inside the wiki parser, no ? well, it'was just a question btw ;⁾ there are 2 speeds for the sefurl 1) during parse 2) afterwards one day we will be using ony 1) sylvieg: yes, this is what I hope too :) ah ok :-) Hello everyone. I do understand the option "Trackbacks Pings" of blog administration, but I am not sure to understand the option "Post level trackback pings". Can anyone explain it to me? mycomputer, sorry, no idea. Did you check the blogs info at doc.tikiwiki.org? Otherwise, I guess you could do a few tests with your install to see what the behavior is. Thanks chibaguy for your answer : I looked at doc.tikiwiki.org indeed. I will make some tests (later) nkoth3: around ? y tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r17142 10/branches/3.0/db/ (7 files): [MOD] new installs: do not display assistant module in default installation. Every information can be put in homepage and assistant module cannot be removed from profiles. mycomputer: afaik trackback pings code is not in Tiki right now as the implementation was a security risk - need to recode it with another library nkoth3: as you may have seen, sept_7 has updated HTMLPurifier, which is a good thing. But this make me think that we have to add, in the release process, the freeze of external subversion links (I mean: modify the svn properties to look for a specific/fixed revision of each external links, even our third-parties) amette: so it's useless to activate this option for the moment? mycomputer: I afraid so, yes.. :( but test it, probably someone fixed it in between and I didn't notice amette: OK. thanks a lot for your answer but if it doesn't work, then don't put too much time into it yw nyloth: yeah, that's an interesting situation. it might not seem right to ship with the non-latest version of external libs, but if the external lib upgrade is close to release, it needs to obey the freeze. Unless of course the new version of external libs fix security problems, for e.g. then it is a blocker for release. nkoth3: yes. Because if we do not freeze those external libs, we may update one of them to a new API that is not supported by the stable branch nkoth3: but this freeze may either be done now or before the candidate release nyloth: i don't know enough about the each external lib to say what is the correct answer, but in general my impression is that given our svn externals, we should be pulling from the external projects' stable branch, right? If that is the case, then any upgrades are likely just bug fixes with little risk at this stage. So freeze at RC seems enough. But I am not sure of each of the libs we use tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17143 10/branches/3.0/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX]TRACKERLIST: trackerlist with popup was not working because parse_first was replacing \ with \. I do not see why this replacement is useful this commit will probably have side effect - if it has, I will rewrite the smarty popup freeze extarnal lib - we never know if it is security fix.... nyloth: I added the SEFURL smarty filter as an option to help catch unprocessed links. SEWilco2: I understand, no problem. But we should update smarty button and other parts of the code to be able to remove this post parsing after that nyloth: The filter is for people like me that want to map more URLs and don't care about extra CPU usage. (my cache helps) sylvieg: in fact we should have third_party/3.0/... instead of third_party/... nyloth: I don't understand the meaning of "smarty button". nyloth: My understanding is that code has to be manually altered for each emitted URL. When that is completed for a URL type, the redundant rule could be removed from the filter. nyloth: yes but it will be painful to manage - or you think it is easy? SEWilco2: there is a smarty plugin named 'button' which is used in templates to generate nearly all links (at least those who are displayed as buttons). They are in charge of building a standard link (tiki-index.php) or an AJAX link, etc.... and it should also handle sefurl nyloth: The button sounds helpful. sylvieg: I think it's easy to create (just svn copy at the release), but more work to update them separately I suppose it is easy to call filter_out_sefurl on each link in button sylvieg: yes Maybe third_party/3.0 should be used for stuff which requires 3.0? I'm looking for a solution to have a translated HomePage after install... If we add a tra() around the content of this page in tiki-index.php (which creates it), it will be a translated content inside a page named HomePage (and not, for example, 'Accueil' in french). What do you think ? any other suggestion / solution ? SEWilco2: yes maybe and why not having the homepage content in language.php as we do for the date format already sylvieg: if I add a tra() around the content, it will be in language.php, yes because the have this big left side ... will be painful but ok oh, ok, you mean... only in language.php, not at all in tiki-index ? I would prefer not to have the whole content in tiki-index idea not sure it is good sylvieg: no, in fact I like the idea sylvieg: I'll do this tra(HOMEPAGE) and "HOMEPAGE"=>"tototsdfsdfs" sylvieg: but the problem of the pagename still occurs sylvieg, nyloth: i like it too --- trying to think if any problem..... buit we need a lang/en/langue.php yeh page name :_( sylvieg: sure sylvieg: but it already exists but it can be empty and deleted for perfmormance reason does tra handle links ok? sylvieg: do you suggest translation HomePage only when displaying (which is already done I think) or even when creating the page (so change the name that will be in database) which might be a problem if there is things that are looking for "HomePage" in the code... ? sylvieg: : do you remember about an old script which would check withing tiki code for all external links to doc.tikiwiki.org/XYZ, which was used to help detect/fix links? need to think about this a little bit sylvieg: ok, I come back in 5 min ;) I'm streaming both TF and a radio show. Sounds like WKRP on a bad day. maybe default content page on HomePage should be handled by profiles nowadays? marclaporte: maybe, but this is probably not possible for 3.0 marclaporte: and we still need a default value for cases where there is no internet connection / profiles good point the problem is that there is only one HomePage (and not one for each languages, which would be nice when the user changes the language) and creating it with a specific language might be problematic another idea: creating the HomePage content that uses a wiki plugin that will translate the content automatically so.. not using tra(), but a wiki plugin this way, we do not need to create pages for each languages, but just one special HomePage (which name is already translated btw) so, after a new install, the language switching will work for HomePage any comments ? what's the advantage of this over tra? nkoth3: the advantage is that the page will change the content to reflect the language switching... instead of being created only in one fixed language well, I was thinking that if we tra() from --HOMEPAGE-- or something, that would allow the page to be created in any language too. However, this requires every lang file to have --HOMEPAGE-- default translation in it... nkoth3: yes, but I meant that with tra() the page will be created, for example, in French... and after the installation is done, if the users switch to German, the content will still be french for the HomePage. nkoth3: with a translation wiki plugin around the page content, it will then be displayed in German right. the translation issues interest me and I've a suggestion for this In fact, the right way to translate pages is to use the one page per language and link them together through the translation system... but this is too heavy for the HomePage... (creating 50 pages ?) ... So I prefer a wiki translation plugin for this special case how about to translate documents as we so for messages strings Youcef: I don't see what you mean I mean we have may be to translate document (before installation) I think the translate plugin nyloth suggests achieves this. Would it still make use of tra though? ok, i try to clarify it again i think we have to deal with home pages as strings messages when tiki switch to a new language, it automatically select the right language.php for the new language may be we have to do the same with the home pages nkoth3: yes Youcef: yes. I think what nyloth is suggesting achives this I think so too I kind of imagine we may already have a translate plugin. lol nkoth3: maybe ;p ok q: on admin: text area, why do some plugins have a checkbox, and others (like catorphans) not? lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_tr.php what make the difference of the this pluging and changing the messages languages? :) Ok, I'll try with this plugin :) Youcef: the difference is that messages is in the code, and the homepage content is in the db if it do the same, that's great Youcef: yep :) BTW, i've a question it does the same, but for "content" vs. template strings i have a quick question when you are ready... i need to implement a php script, and need to retreive the active language Youcef: echo $prefs['language']; // ? are there any function in the api to know which language is selected? sylvieg: any comment about the HomePage translation through wiki tr proposal ? no eral bettter idea thanks so much now, i've a suggestion about some inconsistency in languages' names (in fact I have homepage - because if you delete it it come back s/have/hate is it possible as an admin to make some parts of the wiki private while most are public? meeting in 30 mins... paberggren: it is on my list of things to do how about simply configuring category perms? how do I join it, with skype? paberggren, if you mean some wiki pages private and others not, that's already possible. I think sylvieg is referring to content within one page. tnx - where do I look in the admin section? sylvieg : I'm wondering how you'll translate home page with the pluging? : MatWho: http://tikiwiki.org/TikifestMontreal-meeting2009-March-03 yes - some pages private, most pages public someone, point to the relevant doc page? I am barred from using my browser,... paberggren, you assign access permissions to the group you want to have see/edit, etc. chibaguy: of course - thnk you! paberggren: ah soory I am thinking of different edit sections in a single wiki page (sorry it is because I have this problem in mind that I misunderstood) See doc.tikiwiki.org for info on setting permissions, etc. hi jonnyb :-) hi all chibaguy: OK thanks! thanks for thinking about that, sylvieg hi jonnyb ah, forgot to mention - doc and dev are svn upped i'll record the skype conf call, like last time if no one else is jonnyb: just a suggestion about the way jquery was added to subversion : IMO, it should have been committed into third_party branch, not in each branches. It should use external links in those branches, like it's done for smarty, phplayers, jscalendar, and so on jonnyb: but no urgency for 3.0 yes, i did consider that - but it's not really a single package (jquery itself is just 2 files) so i wasn't sure that was a good way to do it also it means we can run one version for release and another in trunk if needs be... jonnyb, I added a few jquery items here: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Release30process#jQuasiblockers_jquery_things_ yummy :D :-) In case you've nothing else to do..... ah louis philippe - if you can check my last commit http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/branches/3.0/lib/tikilib.php?r1=17140&r2=17143 - I suppose you know why this line is here jonnyb: ok. I saw much more than 2 files, this is why. Probably not from jquery main code then. (looks for roll-on-floor-laughing smiley) :-) I know lph is on 'vacation' :-) :-) sylvieg: lph won't probably anwser... if I do not ask - I will not have... yes nyloth - it's about 6 things joined together - including jquery.ui and the tooltips etc plugins i put a readme file in to explain the layout (so no one will read it ;) ) but will adapt or change it if others think it could be better i tried to aim for minimum maintenance chibaguy: i fixed two of them this morning, have plans for the others (and added a couple myself!) jonnyb: ok thank you tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17144 10/branches/3.0/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_tag.php: [SEC] wikiplugin_tag: secured to allow only tags without attributes nyloth: one thing I do not like with homepage - if your default is article - and you have no wiki default - the homepage is created again after for example delete of a page. I do not like it... sylvieg: yes, the homepage should be created once, at installation time, and not in tiki-index.php ok we agree but changing this is probably too late for 3.0 yeh next release note that tiki-editpage.php also returns homepage if no page specified, so removing this is not completely trivial yeah I think I'll do a small hack for HomePage translation in 3.0, rollback if you don't like To precise, the hack might be to use 'en' translation of the homepage content (let say '_HOMEPAGE_CONTENT') in tra() if there is no translation available in the language required because we don't want to have _HOMEPAGE_CONTENT_ that displays in every languages that doesn't have a translation Conference call will begin shortly if you would like to be added please contact me via skype skype ID = pascalstjean well... I'll see I'll gladly add you to the conference call I need close captioning. :) Howdy Tiki-ers no - too expensive Q: I note that UsersLib extends TikiLib and that the event of successful login is instigated through routines validate_user and validate_user_cas ; Does Tiki allow the administrator to specify a subclass of UsersLib to be used? roaming too expensive Hi MartinCleaver nkoth3= Nelson Some one's not on Skype!! y, I figured! roaming... expensive hence not on Skype?! you are in Montreal? many TIki people are in Montreal - for the Fest but I had to take a train to US today. aha This bit above is an extract from an email to you... Anyway, I am not sure about the answer to your Q. Maybe someone else knows. But userslib don't look to me like a first class php5 object to me Ok - will send you the email as is... I mean it was written in the php4 era i won't be checking email till late tonight though Y, PHP. bluegh. php5 is much better but still :) hopefully someone else will have an answer I'm thinking to extend UsersLib and overrides the validate_user_cas routine with one that wraps super->UsersLib::validate_user_cas with the bits we need to override. sounds theoretically possible. I don't know. btw, a conference call was starting just before you joined the irc chat room.... so people might be engaged in that ok Anyone watching ustream video, is sound ok? http://www.ustream.tv/channel/tikifests http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestMontreal2009 Nelson: tiki-setup_base.php:$userlib = new UsersLib($dbTiki); chibaguy: is cool that's where it kicks off heya MartinCleaver :) heh, sorry about the video glitch (tripod leg collapsed) howdy amette ! wow. the code base is quick an adventure woo! such a n00b ;) just a note for the skype conference call ppl: you can click the little mic icon to mute your mic when you don't want to actually talk agreed it will have better overall sound for everyone tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r17145 10/branches/3.0/lib/profilelib/installlib.php: [FIX] Menu handler to nest menus correctly Skype conference call starting. Ustream and IRC also for nonskypers. weird skype call is somewhat quiet by the last man talking no sound well that went well! :) help I got cut off Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc Channel. TikiWiki or better known as TW, is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution, you can get more infomation at http://info.tikiwiki.org/ . :) hi guys. why the call was drop ? not sure gone again ok please see: http://tikiwiki.org/TikifestMontreal-meeting2009-March-03#Agenda yes yes Eric here. Hi everyone weird is i hear better from the one with phone on the ustream channel than from my skype this is so exciting I can hardly sit still!!! *g* MatWho, feel free to pace about... who is the phone number ? :-p ok .... pace .... pace ... bump ..... pace ... chibaguy: I got it - it was a clear case of "Houston, we have two problems" ;) :) first needed to disable TCP-checksumming due to Xen-bug and then disable Apache's Sendfile systemcall usage due to the documentroot being mounted via NFS now it should be rather ok - first load still takes a bit, but then it runs nicely :) can't hear well when the "phone number" talks :-p or speaks *g* ah, ok, amette, thanks.... now we need to figure out the themes to install and find a way to make it easy for you to install new ones.. yes, much faster great :) (amette is tuning new themes.tw.o server) (yup) good idea :) luciash: you can test with /etc/hosts entry: 78.46.199.145 themes.tikiwiki.org marc will participate in da call ? yup amette: kewl here we go legibility index is at 3 out of 10 tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r17146 10/branches/3.0/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [ENH] default HomePage translation: allow translators to translate the default homePage by translating '_HOMEPAGE_CONTENT_' string in lang/*/language.php if marc is the "phone number" talking i can hear him very badly, others ppl audi is perfect sounds good to me *audio even nkoth3__: y.t. ? what frickin' "phone number talking" do you actually mean? yes he means the phone in from the conference phone in your room sounds rubbish ah, ok... hmm.. :-/ i can hear you very quietly, marc, but if others are ok, i'll try to adjust my volume up luciash: you were _really_ silent here, too - we hear others rather clean and loud marc get closer to phone or get phone closer to marc wow - marc already speaks rather loudly!! :-/ amette: ah, thanks for letting me know yw i think i have to put volume from ustream broadcast up again to be able what you talk about guys .-/ only getting about 10% of this you guys probably don't really hear jyhem now, right? ouch, fuck... :( not very much the Mic we are using for USteam is much better :D yes we are trying to fix it once sec The conference phone keeps cutting out get closer to it the ustream sound is better about 5 seconds 3-5 seconds I headr everything - but I needed to concentrate +1 perfect ok USteam and Skype at the same time please try both the problem is when i have ustream sound up i hear everything twice :-p and use what works best that's good for me ustream is 1 minutes later - not real time ok i think i'll mute my skype output ;) for some USteam doesn't have that long of a delay FYI: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Roadmap audibility index is 4 out of 10 4 major points: 1- Calendar releases, 2- Stable downloads, 3- Trunk, releasable at any time, 4- Experimental branches no sound and : http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Where+To+Commit pascalstjean - there is a phone number people can call? long distance yes one sec guys we are trying out we're trying to fix it by coming into the skype call with the good UStream mic ustream will be down for a minute while mic is switched. am i the only to no sync between skype and ustream - ustream is about 30s late good plan The phone you are using is not designed for conferences, it will cut off the microphone when the speaker is operation, to stop it howling. You need a special conference phone. sounds of future ;) :O ;) ustrean gone now sylvieg: yes, Ustream is very slow ustream good to have somebody with a cough - at least we know we are still connected LOL :P I do my very best ;) me too keep on the good job :) back online :-) pace ... pace ... pace for me too :) interesting feeling to have you all - here at home. :) ustream back up. laptop mic being used (which accounts for the thumping sound -- keyboard) how's sound now? hello guys iam katz_kul and nothing is currently being broadcasted for me the same, but i can hear a bit :-/ http://www.ustream.tv/channel/tikifests yup same url http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestMontreal2009 wuh? weird... so it's skype and not the microphone that's the problem...?!? A * calendar releases B * a stable, bug-free version available for download C * a dev version suitable for use at any time D * the possibility to add major improvements through branches which are merged afterwards E * that backward compatibility must be maintained (3 rules, etc.) F * having more built-in features than any other comparable app G * Very open contribution policy, people can commit things that are not always future-proof seems so, maybe skype for linux handles phone calls badly while skype calls are good ? somebcan you hear me? no idea yes ok yes please repeat we can hear you woaoo i'll better write and hear ustream channel hard to understand here now i hear the 3 rukles are working - no need to chage (skype crashed) I agree with sylvie well, IMO this is not to replace the 3 rules im' trying to get you back up luci easy to upgrade + open politics + build-in feature I didn't have the feeling like it's about replacing the 3 rules - but what's it about then? ;) extending them? refining? completing i don't know what's the problem :-p this important conversation is not working due to skype with 3Rules i mean ;) *g* for me there is no problem ;p i like the embedding for me neither on tiki way better :) sorry I used reserved word - marc's 3 points LOL, reserved word ? sylvieg: so you meant the 3 first points ? yes ok i think the skype conf is not helping (50 minutes and very little communication so far) - better with ustream and irc - imho we don't have a real B yet B = a stable, bug-free version available for download also, people could call in like i did about the jquery stuff technical maintenace being performed one more minute i think we never had real B then we will turn it off we are trying new speaker and mic marc is doing a lot of noise here ;p *g* BSoD ! wow The problem is that the release version is getting very little support/bug fixes - so every one moves on to trunk to get fixes and the latest features. This then makes trunk very difficult to develop with because so many people use trunk as if it was a production version. ok, so.. who doesn't agree with one of the points listed by marc ? (A to G) i haven't seen it for years ;) MatWho: I agree MatWho: yes we need more bug fix into 3.0 MatWho: nyloth said that two days ago - we need (should) work for one/two months on the stable some further before concentrating on trunk I agree with what amette reported from my previous thoughts ;p i didn't hear what is the ABC list about so i can't say MatWho: I agree that release version should get real bugfixes (not just security), so that it's actually what people want to use in production is it priorities ? ascendant list ? A * calendar releases B * a stable, bug-free version available for download the problem is there is a point missing Point H - we fix important bugs in he production version and migrate enhancements over as possible from trunk to the production version in between main releses I opt for allowing 3.x releases for bugfixing, slight feature improvement - and use 3.x.y for security patches (as is common practice with version numbering - this also helps with people assessing what they download) C * a dev version suitable for use at any time D * the possibility to add major improvements through branches which are merged afterwards E * that backward compatibility must be maintained (3 rules, etc.) F * having more built-in features than any other comparable app MatWho: I wouldn't migrate stuff from trunk to stable - that's what trunk is for G * Very open contribution policy, people can commit things that are not always future-proof amette: +1 amette: +1 in fact I like backport we test in trunk and if ok we put back in 3.0 I'd say D is tricky one for me - more time managing the branch than actually doing the coding amette: we could also keep 3.x only, for bugfixes and/or for security fixes but that meant everyone is made to move from the production version to trunk and then it gets difficult to develop in trunk but still fix important bugs in he production version: +1 sylvieg: exactly, I agree is more secure than deevlopping directly in 3.0 nyloth: we can't when you named the branch 3.0 ;) nyloth: just joking luciash: lol sylvieg: yes exactly, we need to manage the process of adding fixes/functions in to 3.x sylvieg: I agree... but will people do backport ? Do we need a quality team that do the backport ? sylvieg: I wouldn't put completely new features in the released version - only fixes in already existing features - it's only six months to the next release, that should be ok - no? I will go for we develop in trunk and each week we backport in 3.0 what is interesting hmmm.... sylvieg: +10 ye a quality team will be good for that interesting idea sylvieg: ok for a quality team for this task streaming will be off momentarily for another mic switch. sylvieg: ok maybe just backport easy/important features sylvieg: +1 which would be the stable releases ? 3.x We are testing new speakerphone setup on Skype This seems better sound is good now good sound yay. let us hear it on ustream as well. ;) remember if you are not talking please mute your mic will generate even better sound yes from me yes you baclport by replying the diff reapplying If it is "important" the reviewer group decides - it is not a free world sylvieg: +10 sylvieg: +1 amazing noises... who is the reviewer group ? any volunteers ? who volunteer? the "quality team" we were talking about sylvieg: +10 reviewer group decides on backport I volunteer if there is not enough other volunteers ok, who is the quality team ? I volunteer Jyhem: it has to be created and choices are abritary - no need to explain - it is the group responsability yes i'll help - and we review the reviewers each major release? :) no problem for me ;p :-) right yes No no because the bacport will be more and more difficult - so one day it will be time to move on terrible sound - have we been invaded? lol 4.0 will be the way to get new features in that have taken serious changes to achive i gived up with skype and listening perfect sound from the ustream ;) 4.0, 5.0, and so on are scheduled... so they will surely be released I do not agree to define rules - it is arbitrary - if somebody wnat really the fix to be in 3.0 , he should explain - prove... that it will create no problem maybe the quality team could be release/branch specific I agree with sylvie ... I think the quality team should decide or vote amette: +1 no database change will perhpas one rule a suggestion : it gets back ported if a) it will be a safe backport that has little impact and b) is required to stop someone moving on to trunk to get things working. This is just a vague definition and I agree the Q Team should decide sylvieg: probably fyi: getting WARNING: Plugin disabled REDIRECT! on http://doc.tikiwiki.org/File+Galleries we still need one month where we work bug fix in 3.0 and merge in trunk tricia: yeah,m with 3.0 we need to look at the new system again... I'll take a note - thanks! tricia: link to the page? so I can check? MatWho & sylvieg: +1 sylvieg: yes, the QTeam may take care of the stable release after the final release, not after the technical release ok ok do you take into account what could be if a unit testing framework would be installed? So, first decision is: QA team (Sylvie, Nyloth, JonnyB) decide what is backported in 3.0 ? the good point is that the fix/modif is checked in trunk before to be backported i believe that unit testing framework would make things like backporting also easier. sylvieg: yes I suggest we take the unit testing framework into account when it is installed and evaluated ? m_stef: probably, but for me it's another point ok sylvieg: exactly I give up with skype - seems nobody hear me - I hear perfectly amette: some othershttp://doc.tikiwiki.org/Blogs http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Forums it is still a good idea - (if it is not a personal branch) I have lost skype sylvieg: +1 tricia: great, thanks! :) i bailed out (skype) http://doc.tikiwiki.org/File+Galleries sarright :) :) branches should be for very heavy things that will break lots of stuff - like changes to prefs or categories (need doing) +1 for jonnyb marclaporte: I think we can affort it. Keeping trunk as stable as possible, using experimental branches for new features still in development. + a stable qith backports from QTeam I'm not so far to agree with jonnyb too ;) yes Branches is where you try and get things to work, Trunk is where you try and get what works back in to the main product. X.X is what people use for real work and it should be supported with minor backports when it is important and they defiantly will work. man power on Qteam will limit the backport if enough ressource to backport - nice / but not sure we have 6 months for me sylvieg: I think we can try tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17147 10/branches/3.0/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_fancylist.php: [FIX] wikiplugin_fanylist: allow wiki links and other stuff in the items I favour releasing new things when they exist and work, not just when it's a certain month I also like version numbers to represent how much has changes in the code (but i'm generally old-fashioned) +1 from me on doing 3.01 etc -1 for me they would like securty and bug fixes btw, if i understand you, at my job we still use CVS but we do it like you propose, we keep stable stuff on HEAD where really stable versions of file meant for production are tagged STABLE, unsure tagged TEST and we eventually create branches for testing/experimental (well, but this is too different i think) bbl people can use svn export if they want the soft tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17148 10/branches/3.0/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js: [FIX] Removed JQuery attempt at toggleCols() - wouldn't animate nicely (left in commented out to have another go later) release can stay when security pbs occur I do not really aggeree with jonnyb to release when we think there is enough good features - "Enough" and "good" are subjective. And off I go to write some defiant code... i know sylvieg, it's just me :) it is time consuming to release .... sylvieg: +1 prefer to spend my energy in backporting we can say people your bug is fixed the revision svn export this revision nyloth: what did you say yesterday? Our goal should be to be able to release "in five minutes"? I agree with that - it's a good goal! :) "make release" yup tiki-make_release.php (custom js and css in database) it's on my list marclaporte! :) tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17149 10/branches/3.0/tiki-admin_include_features.php: [FIX] Notices maybe we should have a deprecated label - like experimental but the opposite like for imagegals we never close ;) jonnyb: +1 deprecated / obsolete, yes, but only for 1 or 2 versions... jonnyb, I suggested the same thing, only with the label 'Neglected' :-) http://amette.eu/blogpost166 ah... sounds so sad! instead we will end with more features in deprecated than in the rest the truth hurts... I think the most important thing is calendar releases. I've been contributing stuff which is generalized, to make it easier to be used in many situations without customization. neglected LOL And now that I discovered that imagegals is out of favor, my imaging stuff is supporting both imagegal and filegal. I would like to have neglected/deprecated/whatever features that are announced like this in 1 or 2 versions max chibaguy: but by making something "depreciated" might be the motivation required for someone to rescue it, currently it is very difficult to see what needs fixing/rescuing SEWilco2: good plan - we're (going to be) doing similar with GroupMail ok for me Deprecated. "Depreciated" is a financial term. Is there a numerical scoring system? "decroded" "eroding" the 'quality team' should be open - it is easy to backport with the author... rusty ok I am not sure I trust enough peple to backport.... any people So long as there is a "reasonable" (need not be fixed) time limit or features that are deprecated to stay around. I really like the deprecated label. QTeam will end up doing a fair bit of it, i guess the QTeam will be in charge of backporting bugfixes. What about translations, themes fixes and security fixes ? (just to be more precise) I think the QT can get helpers, but is ultimately the decider. For translations, I think QTeam is not necessaeirly needed traanslation can not really be backported nyloth: +1 +1 nyloth (translations) is marc proposing a semantic configuration? I want a little bit of control +1 nyloth (translations) it is why I would like an open Qteam sylvieg: you have it by being on the quality team - it'll work out! open qteam sounds very good m_stef: huh? I am no more on skyope - seems nobody heard me... i gotta go for a little while - someone's cooked food for me :D - i'll be back (& will try and catch up) and then discuss with the people who want their stuff backported, if and how it is done no only ustream... :( 30 seconds lag, i know :) +1 amette no skype ( this includes the IF and the WHO - so it'll be ok I think - we'll see about the final process - let it develop, I say) Or document how to contribute a backport so a dev can contribute both forward and back versions. everybody moved to UStream marclaporte: tagged configuration options sound a lot like a semantic whatever. yes pascalstjean I need to check my headset is working properly - was at the beginning - but I lost the possibility to speak experimental - forever back in 5 mins "Igor, that vat stinks, dump it out." If the branch is not needed anymore, it would be fait from the developper to close it (I've done it recently for calendar_ng) s/fait/fair/ ustream is good i meet the lead developer tomorrow of ustream, if you agree i'll buy him a tikibeer. :-) m_stef, please tell him thanks for the service. It's been great for us. :-) m_stef: do that! Ttell him, we had a good time with his product!! :) i already invited him to this conf, not sure if he makes it, but i wanted to show him, in what innovative ways their service is used. ;) :) 1) +1 for rick job and other Does ustream have a way for streams to categorize themselves, so streams about one event could be in same category? Ustream could suggest such related things. you give tags to a broadcast so you can waht you want... Oh, good. point 1) I do like too much the themes for the tw sites - not very sexy - even if it is a good theme - but not enough colorful / javascript... for these sites 2 point) good job chibaguy, luciash, pkdille and others... :-) Speaking of installation... easier favicon installation would be nice. SEWilco2 : + 1 and with logo as well marclaporte: "Type a description of your desired logo. The image and an invoice will be produced." :-) Yeh nyloth wb ricks99_ :) hi ricks99 :) check out: http://www.ustream.tv/videoplayerpopup/channel/523448 ;) and http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestMontreal2009 ( beware, the stream is there too - so you might get sound duplication ;) ) the link directly to ustream doesn't lag so far behind though apparantly +1 for chibaguy and css layput chibaguy rocks yup :) and like this we can document and explain what table.normal is for for instance :) sylvieg: +1 themes3.tw.o hi Or... 3.themes.tw.o ? you can overload icon now - thax nyloth :) right, we need descriptions of existing css selectors, as guideline for developers, to avoid new selectors... ...that may be unneeded. problem with favicon is that it's not easy to overwrite because in root of tiki I do not hink people are specialized - so it is hard to say this guy is the guy of the feature... except if we will forget favicon support for ie6 luciash: you can do a special command that write in root(if the perms are good) luciash: Being in root and awkwardness in uploading are two favicon problems. Being in root makes it a candidate for an installation step. matthew? matthew: can you tell us about marketing? yes nkoth3: y.t. ? is skype going to work? yes it was working.. Just enough time to run a TW commercial. favicon in FF can be anywhere else and different format than ico thx luciash did not know that no, call Pascal sylvieg: i'm not sure, you have to give write permission to the favicon file itself and dunno if it will work if / is not writable luciash: Good point. We could provide easier support for non-IE favicon, and document the rest. luciash: yes it is the point / problem Pascal's computer has speakerphone SEWilco2: yep, that could be good compromise (like the .htaccess file btw) loud and clear hi MatWho hello heeelou :D :) heee loooooo luciash: Don't need write permission to a file if there is a .htaccess rule pointing to a certain file/program which emits favicon. can you give us status report on marketing? amette is gone SEWilco2: good point SEWilco2: ah yup, htaccess can work it out yes yes, we hear you loud and clear nice haircut huh ? bad joke speaker on phone see phone, phone has nice haircut thanks Matthew aaah :D what name do you want to protect? it's like live on news ;) :-) ahaha omstefanov: that's the problem we don't know yet :-p i heard marc loud and clear (actual mic/speaker shown -- regular phone before was studio prop) what is the name ? aaaaa ROFL, chibaguy is learning broadcasting tricks ;) sylvieg: lol sylvieg: how about GGG ? ;) do we know at least one guy who comes from mediawii? sound echo echo echo has sound changed changed changed ?? I have write for the cnrs the import/export xml of page (with attacfh, comment, image) ... if somebody has an idea about a good format for this xml file - it can be poweful for the part out the syntax tricia, be sure you only have one window playing the video. no echo here, check if you don't have two ustream players open sylvieg: cool migating the look? I think content will be already a good step thanks had a shadow box, it started to echo all of a sudden ???? :-: plus fort patrice !! tricia: soory, if you open in hadowbox you have to pause the one on page first :-/ :) for example transfer a page with all its dependency from one tiki and another one - we need that dependencies -1 for this idea - for personal reason - because my customers one day will give me a calendar job, ontother will be tracker same as sylvieg It would help to have contact people for things. I do not want to specialize - but it is MY situation 1 for this idea too. perhaps "interest groups" for features? sylvieg: Just take your specialized problem and supply a generalized solution. same as Sylvie sylvieg: Would also be nice so a page could be shared among a community of servers. we got a feedback coment ;) → http://www.ustream.tv/channel/523448 so we need 10 .. mailing lists sylvieg: LOL filters/tags/categories I think the devel list is not enough specialize... We need a "contact info" space on web page for various features. Multiple names allowed. Wiki page? Tracker field? SEWilco2: +1 sylvieg: +1 SEWilco2: fien I will put my name in each one sewilco2: +1 Contact info could be dev.tw.o user name. email address not necessary. SEWilco2: -1 we will finish like the consultants apge - a big list and people do not know how to approach the list With two comments, is that a -1 or (-1*2)? Approach the list with flowers or chocolate. :) and money SEWilco2: This seems to be an easy solution to the problem, which does not change much but makes it really easy to find the person who knows the answer quick question: tikiwiki markup for comments ??? tricia: ? we have quotes plugin i think we know each other - and when there is a message on the devel that can be considered asour duty to answer - I answer for comment area the same syntax as wiki page sylvieg: +1 inline comments like html