#tikiwiki 2009-03-19,Thu

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CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17453 10/mods/trunk/themes/snow_tiki_3/ (12 files in 6 dirs): [NEW] Snow theme for Tiki 3.	[02:43]
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luciash	hi	[06:18]
chibaguy	luciash, hello	[06:27]
luciash	chibaguy: hi chibaguy: you got pm ;)	[06:30]
chibaguy	ah, ok, am checking now.	[06:31]
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Yoni	Boker	[08:07]
chibaguy	konnichiwa, yoni	[08:09]
Yoni	how you doing ?	[08:09]
chibaguy	pretty good, thanks. busy with Tiki stuff. otherwise, life is crumbling to the ground, but that's for another irc channel. ;-)	[08:10]
Yoni	:) u got kids ?	[08:11]
chibaguy	yes, daughter, 20, and son, 13.	[08:14]
Yoni	:) i have son 18, daughter 1 1/2... yeah life is crumbling. :D	[08:15]
chibaguy	:-)	[08:16]
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xavi	polom this is just to say that comments on dev.tw.o/tracker5 items are getting lost after posting ! (we are wasting our limited and valuable collective intelligence and efforts... when it's added as comments to tracker items) back to work	[08:33]
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chibaguy	:-( the pains of dogfooding....	[08:51]
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	ChanServ sets mode: +o amette amette changes topic to: Welcome to #tikiwiki! - Just ask, don't ask to ask !!! - Don't paste code/errors here, use http://pastebin.com - IRC-logging at http://irc.tikiwiki.org - Say "!help" to get info from TikiBot - Please help find bugs in latest 3.0beta1 - Thanks and have fun! ChanServ sets mode: -o amette ChanServ sets mode: +o amette	[09:24]
luciash	amette: it should be "please, help fix the bugs we find every day" :-p	[09:26]
***	amette changes topic to: Welcome to #tikiwiki! - Just ask, don't ask to ask !!! - Don't paste code/errors here, use http://pastebin.com - IRC-logging at http://irc.tikiwiki.org - Say "!help" to get info from TikiBot - Running Tiki 2.3 is very highly recommended and check out 3.0beta1 - Thanks and have fun!	[09:27]
Yoni	mazal tov for the promotion Amette :)	[09:27]
amette	luciash: ;) mazal tov?	[09:27]
Yoni	hi lu, hi am	[09:27]
amette	hi Yoni :)	[09:27]
Yoni	arf... congratulation :D	[09:27]
amette	aaah, ok ;)	[09:27]
luciash	boker tag ya all	[09:27]
amette	g	[09:27]
Yoni	lol boket tov hu boker tov	[09:27]
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Yoni	i take back my mazal tov then ! shame on you :D :D :D	[09:28]
amette	G	[09:28]
luciash	hyvaa huomenta	[09:28]
amette	dobre rano (!?)	[09:28]
luciash	yup :)	[09:29]
amette	yay :)	[09:29]
Yoni	dobrý den	[09:29]
amette	wow - even with accents - now you're really showing off, hmm..? ;)	[09:30]
luciash	:D	[09:30]
Yoni	Yoni think tw is really multilanguale	[09:30]
amette	:)	[09:30]
luciash	multilingual ;) luciash suspects someone likes google and copy'n'paste ;)*	[09:30]
amette	G	[09:31]
Yoni	Arf... tooog (sic :( ) would have shut your month for good with a nice french short sentence :)	[09:32]
amette	:D	[09:32]
Yoni	yes google translator	[09:32]
luciash	luciash successfuly played with typeface.js tonight in tiki, btw http://typeface.neocracy.org/ very kewl and with syntax highlighted textarea code editing too http://marijn.haverbeke.nl/codemirror/ luciash sees big potential to have it in tiki amette: next step is vim for tiki textareas ;)	[09:32]
amette	Yeah, Tiki finally gets some usability! :P	[09:36]
luciash	vimperator style of controlling tiki would be also kewl ;)	[09:37]
amette	absolutely!! :D	[09:37]
luciash	amette: btw, can you execute external commands from vim command mode or you have to :wq every time you want to svn commit ?	[09:38]
Yoni	Yoni like when are talking about things he have no idea... even after reading what it should do :D	[09:38]
luciash	Yoni: LOL :)	[09:38]
Yoni	well... you know during discussion i can say "bla bla bla and of course we use last techno from open source like vimperator or typeface"... :)	[09:40]
luciash	yes, you can ! that's the fun :)	[09:40]
Yoni	pfff weird world indeed... recreation is over got to work.	[09:41]
amette	yeah, I gotta move my butt to the office, too...	[09:42]
luciash	typeface allows you to create every font on the fly via JS not depending on what user has installed and still have it like real text in the code	[09:42]
amette	... it's thursday already - where has this week gone?!? :O luciash: wow, that sounds cool - but sounds like quite some overhead, too!?	[09:42]
Yoni	Yoni think that taking care of his family, have fun with bike, music, playing with band, shooting pictures without caring of money is the minimum for any human being... to be chosen one and having to go to work and dealing with administration is drepressing... have we ever seen Obiwan kenobi dealing with taxes ?	[09:43]
luciash	Yoni: and vimperator only ppl who use vim knows about	[09:43]
Yoni	don;t laught i use vim ! zz :D	[09:43]
luciash	amette: not that much, you can see it in action at the site i linked Yoni: then you can find it fun too ! https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4891	[09:43]
Yoni	done... :)	[09:45]
luciash	:) enjoy your working day guys !	[09:45]
Yoni	i'll experiment a little later... i can smell Darth Vador coming close to my desk... back to work for the dark side... :(	[09:45]
luciash	g	[09:46]
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chibaguy	Is it valid to put a div inside an li?	[11:30]
CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17454 10/branches/3.0/styles/transitions/2.0to3.0.css: tikiwiki: [ENH] Added display:block for dates on blog list modules so they appear on a new line (instead of <br />s in the tpl) tikiwiki: Also made them smaller and lighter in colour tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17455 10/branches/3.0/templates/modules/ (mod-blog_last_comments.tpl mod-last_blog_posts.tpl): [ENH] Effect of <br /> is gained by using div (which is block element by default). class="description" is used by some themes already for slightly smaller font size and italic style.	[11:41]
chibaguy	Heh, that was interesting... Hmm, I see jonny's css change targets a selector that I just replaced....	[11:43]
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CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17456 10/mods/trunk/themes/twist_tiki_3/ (13 files in 5 dirs): [NEW] Twist theme updated for Tiki 3.	[11:49]
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jonnyb	greets	[11:49]
chibaguy	Hi jonnyb	[11:55]
jonnyb	hi gary	[11:55]
CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17457 10/mods/trunk/themes/underground_tiki_3/ (13 files in 4 dirs): [NEW] Underground theme updated for Tiki 3.	[11:55]
jonnyb	i realised i should be collaborating better ;) horray! new underground, thanks	[11:55]
chibaguy	Heh, maybe successful collaboration is mainly a matter of lucky timing. Anyway, it was me that jumped in on that module thing. (rashly) Yeah, I like underground quite a bit. The top of the page could be a bit tricky to get the site logo in, etc. I need to test all the mods themes' handling of Look & Feel again to make sure they're pretty robust.	[11:56]
jonnyb	i'll have a play - my only reservation was the huge lefthand margin (on a small screen) what do we do about mods.tw.o? i'll update the packages.txt file (it's on my list) but then we need a grown-up, right?	[11:59]
chibaguy	You get a huge lefthand margin in underground?	[12:00]
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chibaguy	About the packages info text files, I was meaning to do that as part of the theme updates... But I don't know about the version filtering in admin mods. Or whatever was added recently there.	[12:01]
	Ah, the relatively large margin is because the original Underground design uses only two columns so there is extra whitespace available. I kind of 'optimized' the margins for a tiki center-and-right-column layout. (Maybe three-column spacing would be a good theme option.) (Similarly, Planetfall is weird because the original design has a center-left-right column arrangement. So I want to do a more-normal left-center-right layout as a theme option.)	[12:11]
	jonnyb, can a theme option have template files?	[12:18]
jonnyb	sorry (on other machine) - um, at the moment options don't have templates i think templates are bad - lead to big maintenance etc, so try and avoid (but i knopw there are limits to css)	[12:19]
chibaguy	yep, I agree, but the case I'm thinking of involves major relocations of things.	[12:21]
jonnyb	hmmm?	[12:21]
chibaguy	I mean moving Planetfall's columns around. It's a table layout. Nasty to begin with, so what the heck. Well, it's not a high priority.	[12:21]
jonnyb	can't we (by which i mean "you") make all these table layouts share one set of tpls? I know we've discussed it on devel list, but how much work would it really be? meanwhile i'll svn up my mods	[12:23]
chibaguy	I found that different table-requiring layouts tended to differ from each other, so maybe a single table-using tiki.tpl isn't really possible (or anyway easy). For instance, the Faulkner theme needs even a nested, second table in order to get all the backgrounds when side columns are hidden, etc.	[12:24]
jonnyb	sadly i don't have time to investigate at the mo - but i suspect that the differences (in themes with a top "bar" and 3 columns, centre one fluid) must be really similar in structure, no?	[12:26]
chibaguy	Dark Shine has the top bar way up at the page top... Basically, you're right -- a lot of designs fit that layout (kubrick, etc.). But a significant number don't, it seems.	[12:26]
jonnyb	you're familiar with csszengarden.com i presume? (grandma/eggs, excuse me ;) )	[12:27]
chibaguy	yep	[12:27]
jonnyb	i know it's only one html page - which is cheating	[12:28]
chibaguy	Also Tiki brings some challenges such as wide center-column content that the design needs to flex around.... I look enviously at designs that can get away with tiling one image downward to create both side margins and the content div backgrounds. ;-)	[12:31]
	oh, luciash points out the error in my module commit.	[12:40]
jonnyb	oh?	[12:42]
chibaguy	I added a div inside a link. To go that route, it should have been a span. or as he suggests, just give small class=description.	[12:42]
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jonnyb	yup, i'd go for span - most flexible and semantically neutral	[12:46]
chibaguy	but to get the <br />, display:block would have to be added to .description in stylesheets.	[12:46]
jonnyb	some people might not want it to be "small" yup	[12:46]
akshi	I want to contribute to this community...i have a project idea related to cross lingual information retrieval... one project related to this is already going in tikiwiki...so i think i can get guidance here..	[12:47]
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akshi	idea is that on submitting a document in one language and specifying some other language, related documents to the given one would get retrieved in the specified language... i have devised some implementation strategies also which i can discuss if any one is interested.. :)	[12:49]
jonnyb	hi akshi, welcome! we had a presentation at http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestMadrid about this (it's not my thing really) guy called Youcef - also someone called Alain D(something) is working on this try joining the dev mailing list - start here: http://dev.tikiwiki.org	[12:51]
akshi	thank you for making me start on this community.. :)	[12:55]
chibaguy	chibaguy must walk dog now. bbl	[12:55]
CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17458 10/trunk/ (52 files in 25 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/3.0 17385 to 17455	[12:56]
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marclaporte	akshi: http://wiki-translation.com/	[13:16]
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jonnyb	hi marclaporte - there you are! coundn't find the best link for this - ta :)	[13:24]
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CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17459 10/branches/3.0/ (9 files in 3 dirs): [FIX] <small class="description"> used in module li, and display:block added to description class in CSS files.	[13:33]
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CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17460 10/branches/3.0/ (styles/transitions/2.0to3.0.css templates/tiki-mods.tpl): tikiwiki: [MOD] A few more modernisations tikiwiki: Removed most hard coded colours & reduced to 3 CSS classes	[13:47]
jonnyb	jonnyb off out to play in the sunshine	[13:47]
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luciash	re	[14:13]
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Jyhem	polom	[14:24]
luciash	salut	[14:25]
Jyhem	is there a way of putting an "Login" item in a menu ? I mean, it should appear for Anonymous and not appear for Registered and upwards Jyhem realises he does not know how to say salut in Czech	[14:26]
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luciash	:) Jyhem: ahoj	[14:32]
Jyhem	ahoj !rnand "Nazdar" ?	[14:33]
luciash	oui :)	[14:35]
Jyhem	Jyhem thanks google :)	[14:35]
luciash	you cannot put Login in menu unless you create "fake" menu and put it in {if $user}	[14:35]
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Jyhem	This is really annoying :-(	[14:38]
sylvieg	luciash: and if testing the group anonynous?	[14:38]
luciash	then it will not work because every registered includes anonymous group by default	[14:39]
Jyhem	I tried that: everybody is memeber of the group Anonymous, it seems :-(	[14:39]
sylvieg	:'(	[14:39]
luciash	we need new group AnonymousOnly which will not inherit Anonymous and which will be not inherited by default by any other group or something like that	[14:40]
sylvieg	or a perm only registered has...	[14:41]
Jyhem	even people in groups which do not include Registered actually show stuff with Anonymous permission :-(	[14:42]
luciash	every registere (having login) includes anonymous perms and every other group includes registered group perms	[14:44]
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Jyhem	I know of a perm only registered has, but I need to set "not perm" for it to work, and we can't do that, can we ? at least !perm does not work	[14:47]
CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r17461 10/trunk/ (68 files in 19 dirs): (log message trimmed) tikiwiki: [FIX] comments and forums: replace some wrong/unknown variables by $this in $commentslib->post_in_forum() and $commentslib->post_in_object() tikiwiki: [MOD] change $TWV->cvs into $TWV->svn (and CVS into SVN in some places) tikiwiki: + Some backports (BP-svnrevision) from experimental/coe branch, listed below: tikiwiki: [FIX] [BP-16748] many features: new TikiWiki version of parse_str, that: tikiwiki: - uses a workaround for a bug in PHP 5.2.0 tikiwiki: - Handle the value of magic_quotes_gpc to stripslashes when needed (as already done for GET/POST/... in tiki-setup_base.php)	[14:48]
Jyhem	I wonder why Registered inherits Anonymous. If that's what I want, I can configure Registered to include Anonymous	[14:49]
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ricks99	@jhyem: u can put the menu (with the login option) in a module, and set the module to display only to anonymous use the "Hide anonymous-only modules from registered users" on admin: modules	[14:51]
Jyhem	it's a horizontal menu in the header.	[14:52]
ricks99	ah... need 2 menus then. in custom code simply test: {if $user}{menu id=1}{else}{menu id=2}. thats what i do	[14:52]
Jyhem	I will just make the menu twice, once for anonymous and once for registered, plus smarty logic. It kinds of defeats the purpose of having item-level permission. It's basically the kludge I was hoping to avoid	[14:54]
ricks99	q: using tracker w/ attachment field. how can i limit the types of attachments (e.g., limit to .doc, .txt, .pdf, etc.)?	[14:56]
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sylvieg	ricks99: so far I know no param... can be a security issue sylvieg is wondering is it a global setting or local to each feature	[15:01]
ricks99	is there currently any limintation on the type of file that can be attached to a traker?	[15:02]
sylvieg	sorry - can not be a security issue as the name is md5 ricks99: no	[15:02]
ricks99	k. tx	[15:04]
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R\|SK	Hi, is it possible, to display the toc of a substructure page on a different wiki site.	[15:32]
luciash	i don't think so	[15:39]
R\|SK	That's bad. :(	[15:40]
luciash	that's too complicated imho	[15:40]
CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17462 10/branches/3.0/lib/ (setup/js_detect.php smarty_tiki/block.textarea.php): [FIX]javascript: some more feature desactivation if javascript is not on + disable ajax_autosave is no ajax	[15:46]
ricks99	more tracker q.... is there any way to add multiple ratings to tracker?	[15:55]
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R\|SK	That would be a feature I am also interested in.	[15:58]
SEWilco2	R\|SK: If the other TW site has a URL which shows the TOC of the substructure, you could IFRAME it.	[15:58]
R\|SK	Probably, but I hate this way of doing it. Grr, if snarf or include plugin would be working still properly.... :(	[15:59]
SEWilco2	Yup. I have seen mention of some kind of master/slave multiserver interface; there probably isn't a sub-slave which includes part of another site.	[16:00]
R\|SK	I want to realize three structures in parallel, but the toc of these structures should be displayed on our starting page.	[16:01]
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R\|SK	Hmm, seems like I have to make one big structure where the contect of the other structures is enlisted. But that not the way it was planned	[16:06]
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CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r17463 10/branches/2.0/doc/devtools/tikirelease.sh: [FIX] release process: update release instructions for 2.x releases	[16:18]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	You can get a more complete list of commands that work with this bot at http://tikiwiki.org/TikiBot .	[16:48]
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CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17465 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-view_blog.tpl: [MOD] Indentation	[17:05]
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CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17466 10/branches/3.0/templates/styles/strasa/ (tiki-view_blog.tpl tiki-view_blog.tpl): tikiwiki: [FIX] </div> moved inside {section} posts loop tikiwiki: (was breaking *lite)	[17:08]
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CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17467 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-edit_templates.tpl: [ENH] edit templates: copied the warning from header.tpl code comment to smarty remarksbox and made it translantable	[17:30]
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oftw	hey, is there gonna be a 2.2->2.3 download like there was for 2.2 (tikiwiki-inc-2.1-to-2.2.tar.gz)?	[17:44]
Sug4r`	Unlikely.	[17:44]
oftw	(i'm on a pretty low bandwidth connection here :-( Sug4r`: was that unlikely for me? it came pretty fast	[17:44]
jonnyb	hi all - is anyone else finding mail notifications not working? i have 2 servers that were sending mails a couple of days ago, but not today (on branches/3.0) could be coincidence...	[17:59]
luciash	yesterday it was workin for me too i guess	[18:01]
jonnyb	hi luci - it's possible both servers' mail have broken, certainly my local one is flakey. I can't see how all notifs can have broken for everyone suddenly (i'm working on the article ones, but even page watches aren't sending now)	[18:04]
luciash	can quickly test a notification	[18:04]
jonnyb	thx	[18:05]
luciash	tracker notification works (using the simple e-mail method)	[18:06]
jonnyb	it's probably just me (dull)	[18:08]
luciash	jonnyb: no problem, i've just yeterday or so figured out how to allow my postfix send e-mails out after some year ;)	[18:09]
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jonnyb	:)) i'm only half way there...	[18:09]
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CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17468 10/branches/3.0/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [MOD] Articles notifications: Changed the way $mail_action handled in templates for easier translation (again, thanks Sylvie).	[18:16]
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CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17469 10/branches/3.0/tiki-editpage.php: [MOD] Translate default homepage "tag" to the real page contents when editing, to give new users what they might expect normally.	[18:56]
SEWilco2	Anyone on the Pacific coast? Tonga 7.9 quake, tsunami warning.	[19:10]
luciash	SEWilco2: franck is on fiji	[19:11]
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SEWilco2	Yup, Fiji is "near" Tonga. I think franck is different from FrankP_german.	[19:13]
luciash	yes	[19:14]
SEWilco2	Tsunami warning includes Fiji. http://www.prh.noaa.gov/ptwc/messages/pacific/2009/pacific.2009.03.19.182924.txt Hawaii: No Tsunami warning, although some effects are possible, per NOAA PTWC. Australia and New Zealand participants: good luck with your Internet links.	[19:18]
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rodrigo_sampio	polom i would like to know if tiki1.9 is affect by the security vulnerability found on tiki2.2?	[19:48]
sylvieg	easy to test ;-)	[19:50]
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rodrigo_sampio	sylvieg: i think it is not as i've tested the url with alert sylvieg: just to be sure :)	[19:56]
sylvieg	I know that it is meanly because of {self_link that is now to 2.x - but perhaps the case can be find soemwhere else rodrigo_sampio: ask nyloth he will know	[19:58]
rodrigo_sampio	ok, thanks sylvieg	[20:04]
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CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r17470 10/branches/3.0/templates/translated-lang.tpl: [FIX] string should be translatable	[20:50]
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lq_747	Hey all	[21:25]
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sylvieg	SEWilco2: What do you try to do?	[22:11]
SEWilco2	Try to do to what?	[22:21]
sylvieg	in your last commit	[22:21]
SEWilco2	Hide all but a single file's info. I don't see any tool for viewing info about a single file, equivalent to imagegal image info.	[22:22]
sylvieg	so you type the url manually or it is linked somewhere?	[22:23]
SEWilco2	I'm about to link to it from slideshow. When I puzzle out what happened to the slideshow JS.	[22:24]
sylvieg	ah ok .. unfinished commit - no pb	[22:24]
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SEWilco2	Not so much unfinished as a new feature. Although should be rewritten to fetch only the specific file's info.	[22:39]
	filegal slideshow broken. Someone deleted lib/slideshow/slideshow.rc1.packed.js but is required by templates/file_gallery_slideshow.tpl	[22:44]
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CIA-71	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17473 10/branches/3.0/lib/articles/artlib.php: [FIX]article: notif on topic watch for an article deletion tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17474 10/branches/3.0/styles/lite/lite.css: tikiwiki: [FIX] Workaround for Safari when in FCKEditor tikiwiki: Reset display to default 'block' when <body> inside fckeditor edit iframe tikiwiki: Seem to resolve all(?) Safari's problems with fck - i hope! tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17475 10/branches/3.0/ (lib/tikilib.php tiki-editpage.php): tikiwiki: [FIX] Need to parse img plugins when swithing to wysiwyg to fix relative urls tikiwiki: New parseimgonly option for parse_data() and parse_first() tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17476 10/branches/3.0/styles/lite/lite.css: [MOD] Margins when <body> inside fckeditor edit iframe	[23:48]

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