[00:37] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17547 10/branches/3.0/styles/thenews.css: [FIX] thenews theme: align horbar items text and arrows nicely
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[00:43] <marclaporte> luciash is on fire!
[00:54] <luciash> :-p
[01:17] <marclaporte> I have a few more of these suggestions :-)
[01:20] <marclaporte> luciash: : is tikinewt.css going to be kept?
[01:21] <luciash> no idea
[01:21] <luciash> i haven't touched it since... dunno when
[01:24] <marclaporte> in thenews.css, the top menu no longer breaks since your fix
[01:24] <marclaporte> it use to break/overlap when the menu was very large
[01:24] <marclaporte> and now, it's clean
[01:25] <luciash> hmm, you mean is it bad or good ?
[01:25] <marclaporte> it's excellent
[01:25] <luciash> ah :)
[01:26] <marclaporte> you fixed more things than you intended
[01:26] <luciash> still i found some issues when the menu is too large
[01:27] <luciash> e.g. menu 42
[01:28] <marclaporte> yes, that is what I have on one site
[01:28] <marclaporte> since your latest fix, it survives much better to menu 42
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[01:56] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r17548 10/branches/3.0/lib/setup/prefs.php: 
[01:56] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: [MOD] minor wiki edit is no longer on by default on clean installs. This is a
[01:56] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: fairly advanced wiki feature and it will be activated for relevant profiles. It
[01:56] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: is necessary if you want to use the advanced multilingual synchronization
[01:56] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: features. In the translation context, a minor edit indicates to the system that
[01:56] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: the current translations are not invalidated.
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[02:22] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r17549 10/branches/3.0/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [MOD] Removing references to feature_siteidentity as now, in admin panel, all the features are optional.
[02:32] <marclaporte> feature_siteidentity -> can we remove them all?
[02:33] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17550 10/branches/3.0/templates/ (18 files): 
[02:33] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: [MOD] removed the xml declaration from templates because IE6 is still an issue
[02:33] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: to be supported and it fails to quirks mode with anything before DOCTYPE present
[02:33] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: (please read http://learningtheworld.eu/2008/farewell-xml-declaration/ and
[02:33] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: http://www.w3.org/International/tutorials/tutorial-char-enc/#Slide0200 and
[02:33] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: http://www.quirksmode.org/css/quirksmode.html why) TODO: move the comments after
[02:33] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: doctype
[02:35] <luciash> marclaporte: +1 when it will be handled a way which will not cause problems for people upgrading...
[02:38] <marclaporte> I think the best is to remove all references
[02:39] <marclaporte> and to put in the release notes that people should point their browser to tiki-admin.php?page=look
[02:40] <chibaguy> Remove references to what?
[02:41] * chibaguy comes into conversation late...
[02:41] <luciash> hi gary
[02:42] <luciash> remove references to check if site identity is enabled
[02:42] <luciash> or ?
[02:42] <luciash> marclaporte: ?
[02:42] <chibaguy> so it's on by default?
[02:42] <luciash> you meant only obsolete links ?
[02:43] <luciash> marclaporte: ^
[02:43] <luciash> :)
[02:45] <luciash> chibaguy: it's on by default anyway now, so it's not already necessary and becasue it doesn't render anything anyway just to check for it but only check for the subfeatures/preferences
[02:45] <chibaguy> Ok
[02:46] <chibaguy> so remove checks for it in templates?
[02:48] * chibaguy considers another cup of coffee....
[02:49] <luciash> chibaguy: that's my guess, maybe marc meant something else ;)
[02:50] <marclaporte> yes, I was thinking deleting all references in the code
[02:51] <marclaporte> make it as if it never existed
[02:51] <marclaporte> it's on by default for new installs, but it could be off for upgrades
[02:51] <luciash> yep, muahahahah *g*
[02:52] <chibaguy> well, it's what we talked about doing quite a while ago.
[02:53] <luciash> chibaguy: yes, nobody did it yet though
[02:54] <chibaguy> Many of the checks are in tiki-site_header.tpl...
[02:59] <marclaporte> what happened to the debugger console?
[03:00] <luciash> scroll down
[03:00] <luciash> it's probably unstyled
[03:02] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17551 10/branches/3.0/templates/ (19 files): [FIX] to prevent IE6 quirks mode no comment or anything else may be rendered before DOCTYPE declaration
[03:03] * luciash needs a coffee too
[03:11] <luciash> chibaguy: yipeeyay ! toggles work with no JS errors in IE6 now :) 
[03:11] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r17552 10/branches/3.0/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 
[03:11] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: [FIX] Remove all references to feature_topbar_date in the admin panel. This is
[03:11] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: not used anywhere anymore. Site visitors don't need Tiki to tell them what time
[03:11] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: it is. If a site admin wants to, he can use Smary time-date variable in the
[03:11] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: custom code sections.
[03:12] <marclaporte> luciash: yay!
[03:12] <chibaguy> yay, and do you mean menu folder toggles?
[03:12] <luciash> yes !
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[03:12] <chibaguy> ok!
[03:12] <Enks> Hey all
[03:13] <luciash> if nobody fixed it recently i suspect the strict rendering mode helped ;)
[03:13] * chibaguy finishes massive svn update....
[03:13] <luciash> even with nice jquery animation ;)
[03:14] <luciash> hi Enks 
[03:15] <chibaguy> yeah, I don't use tikiwiki without jquery anymore.... ;-)
[03:15] <Enks> Is there a way to get an iframe or something similar on a tiki page? Or at least a pop-up that defines width and height? I'm tyingo allow people to use a chatroom while still being on the mainpage.
[03:16] <Enks> When I try to create an HTML page it's not accepting tage =/
[03:16] <Enks> tags*
[03:17] <luciash> >doctwo pluginiframe
[03:17] <Sug4r`> http://doc.tikiwiki.org/pluginiframe
[03:17] <Enks> Sweet, thanks. ;)
[03:20] <chibaguy> Hmm, toggles still not working with ie6 here...
[03:21] <chibaguy> I'll try a 'normal' ie6 pc.
[03:21] <chibaguy> instead of this "run multiple ie's" version
[03:22] <marclaporte> chibaguy: will tikinewt live?
[03:22] <chibaguy> It shouldn't.
[03:22] <marclaporte> ok, then can you move to mods?
[03:23] <chibaguy> Ok.
[03:23] <marclaporte> or complety kill?
[03:23] <marclaporte> people should use tikineat or tikinewt?
[03:23] <chibaguy> Depends on what they want to do. If they just want that look, I think tikinewt is the way to go.
[03:23] <chibaguy> If they love table layouts, then tikineat. ;-)
[03:24] <luciash> chibaguy: must be that :/ it runs nicely on marc's remote desktop ie6
[03:24] <chibaguy> But actually the tikinewt css is pretty horrible, basically tikineat with minor adjustments.
[03:25] <chibaguy> Ok, great, then. (but not so great for my test ie6...)
[03:25] <chibaguy> And my old laptop with real ie6 install keeps spontaneously powering off. Not good.
[03:26] <Enks> Is ver. 3 stable? or is 2.2 what people use for the most part
[03:26] <chibaguy> Ah, power not on, and battery near dead. 
[03:28] <chibaguy> Enks, I'd use 2.2 right now. 
[03:28] <chibaguy> 3 is looking good, but has some issues still.
[03:29] <chibaguy> if you mean for a live site...
[03:29] <Enks> Are {iframe} tags available in 2.2? Says there's no {iframe} module.
[03:29] <luciash> chibaguy: oh, goddamnit, thenews theme looks very good in ie6 with strict mode on, but strasa theme right column is vanished... we have to fix that :-\
[03:30] <Enks> Sorry about the stupid questions =/   rather new
[03:30] <luciash> seems strasa was more comfortable in quirks mode
[03:30] <chibaguy> yeah, last time I checked, strasa's right column was out of place (too wide right margin) in ie6.
[03:30] <chibaguy> Enks, you can get the iframe plugin from the subversion repository and install it in your 2.2 Tiki.
[03:31] <chibaguy> I'll get the url...
[03:31] <Enks> Thanks, chibaguy!
[03:31] <chibaguy> http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_iframe.php?revision=14598
[03:32] <Enks> You can never tell how friendly eople will be on irc. I got lucky. ;)
[03:32] <Enks> Thanks again
[03:32] <chibaguy> Just save as a .php file and upload to lib/wiki-plugins/
[03:32] <chibaguy> This is a friendly channel.
[03:32] <Enks> That's easy, cool.
[03:32] <Enks> Mmmm, plug-ins....
[03:33] <Enks> I'm working on a wiki/community for a new DS game and Tiki is perfect.
[03:34] <luciash> Nintendo ?
[03:35] <Enks> Yes
[03:35] <Enks> Avalon Code
[03:42] <Enks> After uploading the .php file, do I need to set/install anything else? Still says there's no {iframe} moule
[03:43] <chibaguy> It isn't a module. It's a plugin, so you should see it listed with plugins at the bottom of wiki edit pages.
[03:45] * chibaguy goes 'yay' when menu toggling works in normal ie6....
[03:45] <luciash> Enks: syntax in 2.2 is {IFRAME()} iirc
[03:46] <Enks> I'll tinker more, thanks
[03:46] <luciash> Enks: {IFRAME(...)/}
[03:47] <luciash> src= or url= (i don't remeber), see the doc page
[03:48] <chibaguy> Tiki 3 is quite fast in ie6 now. and btw, I get both side columns in strasa, luci...
[03:48] <luciash> Enks: btw, we use on tw.o for chat IRC mibbit embedded in iframe put in module and called to wiki page via MODULE plugin ;)
[03:49] <chibaguy> suckerfish menus (w/jquery) working nicely except more padding needed.
[03:49] <luciash> chibaguy: yeah, i noticed that too (IE6 faster) but strasa is weird, see http://test.ground.cz/tiki/3.0
[03:49] <luciash> chibaguy: have you refreshed browser cache ?
[03:50] <luciash> chibaguy: do you see right column there ?
[03:50] <Enks> I'm using Mibbit too =D
[03:50] <chibaguy> This ie6 hasn't looked at my test site before.
[03:51] <luciash> ah, ok :)
[03:51] <chibaguy> I'll look at yours.
[03:51] <Enks> Module plug-in? Or an iframe in a normal module?
[03:52] <chibaguy> Hmm, at your site, no right column.
[03:53] <luciash> Enks: on Admin > Modules you can create custom module
[03:53] <chibaguy> I have column-toggling turned on (user decides).
[03:53] <Enks> Thanks
[03:53] <chibaguy> Could it make a difference?
[03:54] <chibaguy> Anyway, time to walk the dog, here. I'll be back soon.
[03:55] <luciash> Enks: and there you can put {assign var=ifr value='ifr'}<{$ifr}ame ...>... as you wish
[03:56] <luciash> Enks: because <iframe> html tag is sanitized by default in Tiki for security reasons
[03:56] <Enks> Very cool... so much to learn
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[03:57] <luciash> Enks: with module you can even assign by default registered users name to mibbit chat
[03:58] <luciash> Enks: just put {$user} there
[03:58] <Enks> Nice. I hope i can get it.  brb
[03:59] <luciash> i can send you code snippet if you like then
[04:00] <Enks> I would love that!
[04:00] <chibaguy> It's weird, luci. I wonder why right column isn't showing up for me at your site, using ie6.
[04:00] <luciash> chibaguy: i changed default theme to thenews now and enabled the column switching
[04:00] <luciash> i'll try clear tiki cache
[04:01] <chibaguy> I have all columns on now (not user choice), still no right col.
[04:01] <chibaguy> ok, your site is good now for me too.
[04:01] <luciash> cleared tiki cache
[04:02] <chibaguy> (another topic: strasa's heading text looks blocky in ie6 -- maybe can be improved.)
[04:02] <luciash> blocky ?
[04:02] <chibaguy> (uh, in thenews, too)
[04:02] <chibaguy> Yeah, bitmapped looking.
[04:03] <chibaguy> Maybe it's my browser font setting, but it's default afaik.
[04:03] <chibaguy> ah, but a japanese system.
[04:03] <chibaguy> so . . never mind. ;-)
[04:03] <luciash> hm, that's IE6/Win problem afaik
[04:04] <chibaguy> yep, local issue.
[04:04] <luciash> you can maybe set it somewhere in Win XP but dunno how now
[04:04] <luciash> or use typeface.js ;)
[04:04] <luciash> that is weird, i still get no right col in strasa ie6
[04:05] <luciash> on homepage
[04:06] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r17553 10/branches/3.0/lib/setup/prefs.php: [FIX] Starting in 3.0, admins that are managing the admin panels are no longer getting their code stripped.
[04:08] <luciash> chibaguy: i don't understand why you get it there and i don't... is japanese IE6 different ? :-p
[04:08] <luciash> chibaguy: btw, i started to use firebug again, thanks ;)
[04:09] <chibaguy> heh, I don't think so ( j ie6 )...
[04:10] <chibaguy> I wonder if there is some prefs/config difference at the sites?
[04:10] <chibaguy> I just turned on the ie6 transparent png fix option, but no difference.
[04:10] <marclaporte> suggestion: how about making menu 42 like this: 
[04:10] <marclaporte> {if $feature_cssmenus eq 'y'}
[04:10] <marclaporte> {menu id=42 css=y} 
[04:10] <marclaporte> {elseif $feature_phplayers eq 'y'}
[04:10] <marclaporte> {phplayers id=42 type=vert}
[04:10] <marclaporte> {else}
[04:10] <marclaporte> {menu id=42} 
[04:10] <luciash> but you said my site is good for you at one point ?
[04:10] <marclaporte> {/if}
[04:11] <luciash> chibaguy: on test.ground.cz i use belated png fix
[04:12] <luciash> i'll try to switch it off
[04:12] <chibaguy> ok
[04:12] <chibaguy> at my site, menu toggling just stopped working in ie6...
[04:12] <luciash> 05:01 < chibaguy> ok, your site is good now for me too. 
[04:12] <luciash> what was it ?
[04:13] <luciash> must be the "wrong" correctpng
[04:13] <luciash> ;)
[04:13] <luciash> that stops it working maybe ?
[04:14] <luciash> chibaguy: i switched belated pngfix off, still no right column is strasa :-/
[04:15] <chibaguy> Yep, it was the "feature ie56 correct png" that stopped the menu toggling.
[04:15] <luciash> chibaguy: when thenews works, strasa must work fine too
[04:15] <chibaguy> (or else an amazing coincidense)
[04:15] <luciash> chibaguy: we should switch this to belated i guess
[04:15] <Enks> I suppose this isn't going to be easy for me without code knowledge =/
[04:16] <luciash> Enks: wait
[04:16] <Enks> I hate to be a bother but I do appreciate it
[04:17] <chibaguy> Yes, switch unless belated has some bad effects.
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[04:18] <kuroshirt> Hello?
[04:18] <chibaguy> hi kuroshirt
[04:18] <kuroshirt> I have a question
[04:18] * chibaguy going to walk dog now....
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[04:18] <kuroshirt> Is it possible to  use anchors across multiple pages?
[04:19] <kuroshirt> I'd like to have a link on one page be directed to a certain spot on another page
[04:19] <kuroshirt> I looked on the tikiwiki for methods, I found info on anchors, but I couldn't get them to work like I'd like
[04:20] <Enks> I love tiki =')
[04:20] <kuroshirt> Ah Enks!
[04:20] <kuroshirt> I didn't even see you there
[04:20] <kuroshirt> Thought you had already left
[04:20] <Enks> Joose?
[04:20] <kuroshirt> Yeah
[04:21] <Enks> Ha not yet =D
[04:22] <Enks> I need to fix keyboard.. can't stand on-screen keyboard
[04:22] <kuroshirt> Yeah, seems like it'd complicate things quite a bit
[04:22] <Enks> click click click...
[04:23] <luciash> Enks: try put this into your custom user module at Admin > Modules: http://pastey.net/110769
[04:24] <Enks> Thank, brb..
[04:24] <luciash> Enks: change <your_mibbit_number> for the mibbit number you get for the mibbit widget
[04:25] <luciash> Enks: and "avalon_code" for your IRC channel name
[04:26] <luciash> Enks: give a name to your module like irc_chat and save
[04:27] <luciash> Enks: then on a wiki page you can use it like {MODULE(module=irc_chat)}{MODULE}
[04:27] <luciash> Enks: the example i pasted uses object tag but you can change it to iframe if you like
[04:31] <Enks> luciash you rock, works great!
[04:32] <Enks> Thanks so much. Is that PHP or HTML?
[04:32] <luciash> it's html with smarty template syntax
[04:33] <luciash> smarty is php templating engine
[04:34] <kuroshirt> I think we gotta install a plug in for me to be able to pull this off Enks
[04:34] <kuroshirt> It's no huge deal, so I'll just wai
[04:34] <kuroshirt> t
[04:34] <Enks> Which plugin?
[04:35] <kuroshirt> http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=PluginAlink&bl=y
[04:35] <kuroshirt> This one I think
[04:35] <kuroshirt> It should be doing what I want it to, unless I'm reading this wrong
[04:36] <Enks> I'll stick it up and let you know
[04:36] <kuroshirt> K, thanks
[04:36] <Enks> Sure thing
[04:38] <Enks> Wow, so much to learn still. Brb, going to find another keyboard
[04:39] <kuroshirt> K
[04:41] <luciash> anyone with IE5.5 here ?
[04:42] <kuroshirt> Not I
[04:42] * luciash is just curious if belated png fix works only in IE6 or can be applied for IE5.5 too
[04:47] <chibaguy> luciash, can we just forget about IE5.5 by now? 
[04:47] <chibaguy> I hope so.
[04:48] <luciash> yes, i'd prefer that too... i'm just sorry for jonny's work on that :)
[04:48] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r17554 10/branches/3.0/lib/setup/prefs.php: [MOD] __Count admin pageviews__ now off in clean installs, which is a more usual scenario.
[04:51] <luciash> marclaporte: +1
[04:55] <Enks> Ot it to wor but as you cn see not ll te eys wor =/
[04:58] <kuroshirt> Ouch
[04:58] <Enks> It's a bit better though and if i combine it with the onscreen keyboard it'+s mot TOO bad
[04:58] <luciash> *g*
[04:59] <Enks> Ill get a new keyboard tomorrow
[05:00] <kuroshirt> Bah, it's already 1
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[05:00] <Enks> Night, thanks for the help
[05:02] <Enks> Thanks again for the help, luciash! I'm off too.
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[06:17] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r17555 10/branches/3.0/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [MOD] Move __Protect email against spam__ and __External link icon__ from admin-wiki to admin-textarea because they concern all features.
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[06:18] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17556 10/branches/3.0/ (7 files in 4 dirs): [NEW] DD_belatedPNG: another attempt on alpha transparent images PNG fix for IE6 applied by CSS selectors or via HTMLDomElement
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[06:31] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03campbe13 * r17557 10/branches/3.0/db/tiki.sql: [FIX] On clean installs, removing the Email quicktag because 1-We want to have less 2-The syntax conflicts with the spam protection script 3-Adding a mailto is useless since we have a setting to detect emails
[06:41] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17558 10/branches/3.0/tiki-install.php: [FIX] Content not centered in IE6.
[06:50] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r17559 10/branches/3.0/ (lib/setup/prefs.php tiki-admin_include_look.php): [FIX] Avoid unexpected unsetting of admin panel variables
[07:11] <luciash> marclaporte: ? 
[07:12] <marclaporte> y
[07:13] <luciash> was it duplicate or moved somewhere else from look ?
[07:13] <marclaporte> which one?
[07:13] <luciash> sitesubtitle
[07:18] <marclaporte> grep -r "feature_sitesubtitle" *   
[07:18] <marclaporte> ^^^ this just gave me that result
[07:19] <marclaporte> so I figured it's a rogue, lost variable
[07:19] <marclaporte> not to be confused with sitesubtitle
[07:35] <luciash> ah, right, there's sitesubtitle already
[07:37] * chibaguy wonders if my site header tinkering is involved in that somehow....
[07:37] <luciash> tinker tinker, hmm...
[07:37] * luciash looks for dictionary
[07:38] <luciash> ah :)
[07:38] * luciash hopes it's not "tinker work" ;)
[07:40] <luciash> nope, shouldn't be necessary to touch
[07:42] <chibaguy> :-)
[07:43] <luciash> but question remains
[07:44] <luciash> i've just removed site identity check from tiki.tpl but what if someone would like to not render the site header at all ?
[07:45] <chibaguy> yeah, that used to be controlled by the Top Bar check.
[07:45] <luciash> we have optional sides, #footer but not #header
[07:45] * luciash doesn't see any check in tiki.tpl for that
[07:45] <chibaguy> Maybe just one preference check on displaying that div (#header)?
[07:46] <chibaguy> I believe in the new *litecss-based themes, div#header consistently contains the site header stuff including the top bar menu.
[07:47] <luciash> so what to chack agains if siteidentity goes to manitou ?
[07:47] <luciash> *check
[07:48] <luciash> *against
[07:48] <luciash> currently there's only {if $prefs.feature_fullscreen != 'y' or $smarty.session.fullscreen != 'y'}
[07:50] <chibaguy> "Top Bar" was the thing, in the early days, to turn on or off...
[07:50] <luciash> okay, someone removed it seems
[07:50] <luciash> re-add ?
[07:50] <chibaguy> Does "Site Identity Header" make sense, to identify that page-top area?
[07:51] <chibaguy> I don't think Top Bar is very descriptive anymore.
[07:51] <luciash> nope, i already replaced with {* Site header section *} ;)
[07:51] <chibaguy> Oh, in the L & F options?
[07:51] <luciash> i don't know if there's the preference name still
[07:52] <luciash> nope, in tiki.tpl ;)
[07:52] <luciash> line 32 and next
[07:52] <chibaguy> Well, as long as there's a term in L & F that is intuitive for people who want to not display that area....
[07:53] <luciash> hmm, top bar should be only the bar
[07:54] <chibaguy> I've been using tiki-top_bar.tpl to hold the horizontal menu and search form.
[07:55] <luciash> i think we need noew preference siteheader
[07:55] <chibaguy> Right, to replace the old "Top Bar" checkbox?
[07:55] <luciash> *new
[07:57] <luciash> top bar doesn't hold anything more than location, menu, breadcrumbs, version, debug and custom top bar coded menu iirc
[07:57] <luciash> but we can re-shuffle it
[07:58] <chibaguy> top bar doesn't even hold location or breadcrumbs in the templates I've done.
[07:58] <luciash> and put everything inside that
[07:58] <chibaguy> but anyway, everything in top bar has it's own prefs switch.
[07:58] <luciash> oh ? hmm, then it's wrongly grouped on L&F
[08:00] <chibaguy> L&F admin for top bar includes  Site menu bar  Current Version  Date  Debugger Console  Custom code, according to tiki-admin.php?page=look
[08:01] <chibaguy> Out of date
[08:01] <chibaguy> Oops, sorry, was looking at 2.2 site.. 
[08:02] <luciash> buffer stack overflow
[08:02] <luciash> :)
[08:02] <chibaguy> uh, wait, it's the same in 3.0, right?
[08:06] <luciash> tiki-top_bar.tpl contains search, menu, siteloc, approval here
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[08:20] <chibaguy> ok, it contains them, but I've just ignored siteloc.
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[10:00] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17560 10/mods/trunk/themes/andreas09_tiki_3/styles/ (27 files in 8 dirs): [NEW] Preliminary commit of files for Andreas09 theme options
[10:02] <ThoMe> hello!
[10:02] <ThoMe> how are you? :-)
[10:03] <ThoMe> how i can add the menu to "tiki-forums.php" (Forums)
[10:03] <ThoMe> whyn i try as non-user then said tikiwiki: Zugriff verweigert. Sie können diesen Bereich nicht betrachten
[10:03] <ThoMe> (Access denied to this area)
[10:09] <ThoMe> 
PING 1237803039 914584

[10:10] <ThoMe> anyone here?
[10:16] <chibaguy> ThoMe, hello. Did you turn on the Forums feature, and also assign permission for users to see forums, etc.?
[10:16] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17561 10/mods/trunk/themes/andreas09_tiki_3/styles/andreas09/options/ (25 files in 6 dirs): [FIX] Image files renamed, etc.
[10:16] <ThoMe> chibaguy: hello
[10:16] <ThoMe> chibaguy: em, i have create a forum 
[10:19] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r17562 10/branches/3.0/ (11 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] remove watches: All remove watches (except wiki) were broken since commit 16313 which has added the object type in the remove_user_watch function interface
[10:20] <chibaguy> on tiki-admingroups.php you can click on key icon to give groups permissions.
[10:20] <chibaguy> Maybe the anonymous group needs tiki_p_forum_read
[10:21] <chibaguy> if you want anonymous visitors to be able to read your forums.
[10:22] <ThoMe> chibaguy: ah, muy bien
[10:22] <ThoMe> perfect :)
[10:22] <ThoMe> chibaguy: works good! thank you very much!
[10:23] <chibaguy> Ah, great. You're welcome. :-)
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[11:00] <R|SK> Hi there, how do i set up an internal link in a wiki site?
[11:13] <chibaguy> R|SK, afaik, you have to use the external link syntax, like [tiki-view_forum.php?forumId=13]. 
[11:13] <R|SK> Ok, than I'll do it like this. Thy.
[11:13] <chibaguy> If there's a better way, maybe somebody else can say.
[11:15] <chibaguy> ...or [forum13]
[11:15] <chibaguy> if you are using short-form urls.
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[11:47] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17564 10/mods/trunk/themes/andreas09_tiki_3/styles/andreas09/options/ (orange/mid.jpg purple/mid.jpg): [FIX] Changing image files.
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[12:15] <primosegundo> Hola
[12:20] <ThoMe> hola!
[12:20] <ThoMe> como estas?
[12:34] <primosegundo> Hola
[12:45] <luciash> re-polom
[12:45] <primosegundo> Bien, y tú
[12:46] <luciash> hola-la :)
[12:47] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17566 10/mods/trunk/themes/andreas09_tiki_3/styles/andreas09/options/ (black.png green.png orange.png purple.png red.png): [NEW] Thumbnails for Andreas09 theme options.
[12:47] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17567 10/branches/3.0/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX]intertiki: fix login on the main server with an email login (was confused with the user@main feature)
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[13:38] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r17569 10/mods/trunk/themes/andreas09_tiki_3/styles/andreas09/options/blue.png: [NEW] Remaining Andreas09 theme option thumbnail.
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[14:20] <R|SK> Rrrrrr.... This dumb security setting preventing typing string like "codebase" is pissing me off. :-/
[14:21] <R|SK> I even cannot insert the link [http://www.codebase.com]. It's also changed to [http://www.cod<x>e<base.com]
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[14:29] <luciash> R|SK: try [http://www.cod%65base.com]
[14:41] <sylvieg> please no more reformatting in 3.0 - I got conflicts when merging
[14:44] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17570 10/branches/3.0/lib/iepngfix/DD_belatedPNG.js: [NEW] iepngfix: uncompressed version of the script
[14:45] <luciash> sylvieg: i'll try but i'm not sure what exactly to avoid
[14:45] <sylvieg> identation
[14:45] <luciash> sylvieg: what do you use exactly to merge ? is it document somewhere ? i can help maybe with merging/fixing conflicts then
[14:46] <sylvieg> I follow the procedure in dev.tw.org.svntips
[14:46] <luciash> code indentation ?
[14:46] <luciash> so nomore "no changes - indentation code only" ?
[14:47] <luciash> commits ?
[14:50] <sylvieg> for instance templates/tiki-admin_menu_options.tpl
[14:50] <sylvieg> is it you who indented the code?
[14:51] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17571 10/branches/3.0/lib/setup/js_detect.php: [MOD] iepngfix: use uncompressed version of the script by default when use_minified_scripts not on, allow to specify what should it be applied on via iepngfix_selectors and iepngfix_elements
[14:52] <luciash> sylvieg: it's possible, see the log
[14:52] <sylvieg> the log in cvs mailin list is truncated..
[14:53] <luciash> mailin list is only informational
[14:54] <luciash> sylvieg: it's possible this file was oops commit, i'll re-view
[14:54] <sylvieg>  strange idea to change {section to {      section
[14:55] <luciash> but this one is not in templates/tiki-admin_menu_options.tpl is it ?
[14:55] <sylvieg> no this in tiki.tpl
[14:55] <luciash> it's in tiki.tpl
[14:56] <sylvieg> Is it you?
[14:56] <sylvieg> I can not see the detail of the big commit....
[14:57] <luciash> yes, it looks a bit strange but it is only way to preserve the indenting as it should be rendered in htnml, because if smarty code is indented then it adds unwanted whitespace (tabs) in nested smarty conditions which are then reflected in the rendered html
[14:57] <luciash> diff on the file with previous revision should work
[14:58] <sylvieg> Personally I do not like {     section}
[14:59] <sylvieg> firebug gives back the right identiation - so I do not see why
[14:59] <sylvieg> it is hard to read in the tpl now
[14:59] <luciash> i do not like it too, but it's only way i know so far except ading {strip}      {/strip} in between every smarty syntax which i don't like even more
[14:59] <luciash> do you know a way how to strip whitespace between smarty tags but not html tags ??
[15:00] <lorinc> outputfilter?
[15:00] <sylvieg> why do you wnat the html to be correctly idented?
[15:00] <luciash> not everyone uses firebug
[15:01] <luciash> it's matter of cleanly rendered code
[15:01] <sylvieg> yes but if you complexify the tpls for those that do not use firebug - bad idea
[15:01] <sylvieg> I suppose we need a vote on this one...
[15:01] <luciash> not like doing ctrl+U and getting "uh oh, what a mess !" ?
[15:02] <luciash> what does complexify mean ?
[15:02] <sylvieg> it is hard to read - my emacs does not know anymore how to ident that..
[15:03] <luciash> yup, we need more besttemplatespractices rules
[15:03] <luciash> oh, use vim then ;)
[15:03] * sylvieg dreaming abouit roll back the 17546 commit
[15:03] <luciash> sorry, just kidding
[15:03] <sylvieg> I suppose vim will have the same problem
[15:04] <luciash> it's hard to satisfy everyone, we need code titdier or something which would remove smarty whitespace
[15:04] <luciash> nope, i use vim and it looks perfect
[15:04] <luciash> ;)
[15:05] <luciash> i don't know why emacs have problem, it's just \t inside the smarty brackets
[15:05] <luciash> do as you wish, i feel tired
[15:05] <sylvieg> yes but when I add a lien after it begins at the 1 column not at the supoposed column
[15:06] <luciash> roll back if you wish
[15:06] <luciash> it's just in this file
[15:06] <sylvieg> I do not know how to roll back not the last commit...
[15:08] <luciash> just few delete keystrokes on the tabs ;)
[15:08] <luciash> and you have your rollback
[15:09] <sylvieg> I will ask the devel list - if I am the only one - I accept
[15:09] <luciash> i suppose i'm the only one
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[15:26] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17572 10/trunk/ (743 files in 72 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/3.0 17495 to 17567
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[16:09] <luciash> ricks99: are you revamping look and feel or can i do it ?
[16:10] <luciash> ricks99: to be tableless + checkboxes on left
[16:14] <ricks99> sorry, ive been sidetracked with 'real life' past few weeks. 
[16:14] <ricks99> havent had time to re-look at the tiki admin panels. 
[16:15] <ricks99> go ahead and revamp, as needed. 
[16:15] <ricks99> note (imho) the look & feel page needs a *lot* of re-organization help, too.
[16:15] <luciash> no prob, juist asking to not work on something what someone else does ;)
[16:15] <ricks99> go for it :)
[16:16] <ricks99> gonna try to get back to it this week
[16:16] <luciash> i'm just haveing currently little trouble to float it right but i hope i will figure it out soon ;)
[16:17] <luciash> is the fieldset holding adminoptionbox mandatory ?
[16:17] <ricks99> i added 4 new classes to admin.css. need to update the associated php to include admin.css
[16:17] <luciash> ah, that's why
[16:17] <luciash> okay, thanks for the hint
[16:18] <ricks99> np. i should have mentioned it b4
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[16:23] <luciash> ricks99: is it better to add on top or bottom opf the php file ?
[16:23] <ricks99> i added at very end, just before the ticket request
[16:23] <ricks99> look @ how i did it in the admin_include-wiki.php
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[16:24] <luciash> ricks99: i have already looked but ticket request in l&f is done at the very end instead ;)
[16:24] <luciash> very top i mean
[16:24] <luciash> :D
[16:24] <ricks99> ahh.. needs to be done b4 the ticket request
[16:25] <luciash> ah, really ?
[16:26] <ricks99> afaik
[16:26] <luciash> yup, seems to work, thank you
[16:27] <ricks99> cool
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[16:36] <marclaporte> can the breadcrumbs be labelled as experimental?
[16:43] <luciash> marclaporte: i don't know, they're deeply infected in
[16:46] <marclaporte> do you want to keep in Tiki?
[16:46] <luciash> sure, many sites using it
[16:48] <luciash> the (Location: ) Home >> News >> World News etc.
[16:48] <luciash> you mean the location bar, right ?
[16:49] <marclaporte> yes
[16:49] <marclaporte> When I tried in the past, it was buggy and ugly
[16:49] <marclaporte> but it seams that css is better now?
[16:49] <marclaporte> seems
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[17:14] <Jyhem> polom
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[17:31] <marclaporte> polom Jyhem
[17:40] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17573 10/trunk/ (5 files in 5 dirs): [MOD]banner: setting maxUserImpression to limit via a cookie the number of times a user sees a banner in the banner lifetime or 90 days
[17:41] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17574 10/branches/3.0/ (4 files in 4 dirs): [ENH] iepngfix: added preferences to set it up
[17:48] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17575 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-site_header.tpl: siteidentity check obsolete, save one preference query
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[18:00] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17576 10/branches/3.0/tests/testfile.txt: [TEST]
[18:02] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17577 10/branches/3.0/ (3 files in 3 dirs): siteidentity check obsolete, save some preferences queries
[18:06] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r17578 10/trunk/lib/banners/bannerlib.php: oops
[18:19] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17579 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki.tpl: removed site identity check and rollback of "weird" indentation for sylvie
[18:21] <sylvieg> thx luciash
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[19:56] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r17580 10/trunk/templates/ (9 files): [MOD] find.tpl: remove _sort_mode from find.tpl including. It is, anyway, inserted by query which is in find.tpl
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[21:04] <sui> hi
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[21:07] <sui> how can I check the version of my tikiwiki installation? 
[21:08] <sui> i have seen in the topic that you recommend version 2.3 or 3.0beta. i would upgrade if necessary 
[21:10] <sui> and one other small 'bug': tikiwiki does not recognize my imagemagick installation and does not cache the images. how can i change this? 
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[21:49] <sui> i have to tell you: i like tikiwiki. it's the first cms i found which fits my needs 
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[22:16] <sui> !help
[22:16] <Tikiwiki|bot> You can get a more complete list of commands that work with this bot at http://tikiwiki.org/TikiBot .
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[22:23] <skeptic> Could I somehow use the {CATEGORY} plugin to list all pages that haven't been categorized by a particular category or any of it's child categories ?
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[22:26] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03luciash * r17583 10/branches/3.0/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js: [MOD] superfish menus effect: disable auto arrow mark-up by default
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[22:27] <luciash> sui: hi, you can check your changelog.txt file
[22:28] <luciash> sui: about recognizing imagick, no idea (must have corresponding php module ?)
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[22:37] <sui> luciash: thx, its version 2.2
[22:48] <sui> and thanx for the hint with the php module. as i can see i only have php4. seems to be a very old installation 
[22:48] <sui> will check if I can change this 
[22:48] <luciash> sui: please note that 3.0 will require php5
[22:49] <sui> luciash: i saw this. i tried to install 3.0 in another folder
[22:51] <sui> fortunately, i will update on an actual debian in a few weeks 
[22:51] <luciash> good :)
[22:52] <sui> i read the announcements of 3.0 and wanted to try the new features 
[22:53] <amette> marclaporte: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/blubb
[22:53] <luciash> hopefully there will be beta2 soon which fixes lot of bugs of beta1
[22:53] <marclaporte> amette: : ydm
[22:53] <amette> It's in Admin->Features->Admin - "Redirect On Error" was checked, I just unchecked it ;)
[23:05] <marclaporte> hehe
[23:06] <sui> wish you a good night 
[23:06] <sui> bye 
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[23:09] <sylvieg> I think I will delete Hello world - I am tired about people making comment about this page
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[23:10] <sylvieg> First I wil take it out of the menu
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[23:11] <luciash> sylvieg: ?
[23:11] <luciash> sylvieg: i haven't noticed any comments actually :-p
[23:11] <sylvieg> this page is a piece of junk everybody is adding his comments
[23:11] <sylvieg> at the top
[23:11] <sylvieg> sorry guys this page is out of service
[23:11] <luciash> ah
[23:12] <sylvieg> I invested a lot og time and now every body is putting ... oooh
[23:14] <luciash> well, it's a wiki ;)
[23:14] <sylvieg> so the page is out of service
[23:14] <luciash> you should lock it if you didn't want peoplo to make edits
[23:14] <sylvieg> it is a wiki
[23:14] <luciash> *people
[23:14] <sylvieg> if they edit it means it is not worthy
[23:15] <sylvieg> i wil put back on my site
[23:15] <luciash> or there are typos ;)
[23:16] <sylvieg> ((heloo world)) out of bisiness
[23:16] <sylvieg> it is a wiki
[23:19] * sylvieg thinking about a hello world tw for smarties
[23:19] <luciash> it's a pity that you got upset by other ppl comments, it was pretty useful page
[23:21] <sylvieg> I should have done this on my site like rick not on dev..
[23:21] <sylvieg> I will fix it
[23:22] <sylvieg> if somebody wants an hello world on dev - feel free
[23:23] <luciash> or devs can have personal blogs and put it there
[23:23] <sylvieg> but you never put in a menu a personal page
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[23:27] <franck> marclaporte:  hi
[23:28] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03ricks99 * r17584 10/branches/3.0/templates/ (tiki-admin-include-cms.tpl tiki-admin-include-fgal.tpl): [ENH]admin ui revamp. ongoing
[23:35] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17585 10/branches/3.0/tiki-editpage.php: [FIX] Move translation of _HOMEPAGE_CONTENT_ and trigger parse to html if in wiysiwyg mode
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[23:38] <marclaporte> I see lots of No such attachment on this page on tikiwiki.org
[23:51] <luciash> ricks99_: is it intentional to have it center aligned or work in progress ?
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[23:54] <CIA-71> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r17586 10/branches/3.0/styles/ (9 files in 3 dirs): [MOD] Moved redeclaration of body as block when in FCKEditor (mainly for Safari) from *lite into theme css files and transition
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[23:58] <marclaporte> ricks99_: : I suggest a little extra space, a line or something between item on tiki-admin.php?page=fgal to make it clearer which text goes with what
[23:59] <marclaporte> luciash: indeed, it's a little surprising
[23:59] <luciash> imho it's not intentional