marclaporte: hi lindon!
how are you? lindon: hi marclaporte!
doing good, thank you
my login doesn't work anymore on the demo site you set up for me :( marclaporte: hehe
try admin/admin or admin/1234
it's a test/throwaway site
I wonder how the weirdness happened though
all the weird characters lindon: yes that was bizarre ***: SEWilco2 has quit IRC ("Leaving.") lindon: i remember my clicks
so i may (or may not!) retrace my steps marclaporte: You have seriously increased my motivation with doc.tikiwiki.org ***: tanjir has joined #tikiwiki marclaporte: I think I have been working on it for like 20 hours during the last few days lindon: great to hear
one thing i was wondering
is the plan to replace admin home with magic admin?
i'm in the demo - thank you ***: SEWilco2 has joined #tikiwiki marclaporte: magic is on hold
Now that Ricks99 has done amazing job on the admin panels, it reduces need for magic
I would still want to do so we can have quick search of admin setting. Have an ajax select box. You type in a few letter and it lets you change a setting quikcly. lindon: sounds good
mainly wondering from a documentation perspective
whether to maintain admin panel pages or transition to magic ***: AkaZn has joined #tikiwiki lindon: another question
what does "List of Url Parameters that should go in the path" do on the SEFURL admin page? marclaporte: whether to maintain admin panel pages or transition to magic -> good question. I think for now, we can focus on making each individual page/task/etc as good as possible. And then, once we are happy with that, perhaps a pattern will emerge
Some people want to read the doc end to end to see what Tiki can do
In other cases, they have an option somewhere in Tiki and they just clicked a link to find out more
admin panels change quite a bit
si it's tricky to maintain doc about them
List of Url Parameters that should go in the path: I don't know sylvie or slj will know lindon: agree documentation on admin panels takes a lot of work to keep up to date
but it's also key documentation that users need help on
if magic is on hold, i'll concentrate on admin home panel documentation marclaporte: admin panels will move a bit more before 3.0 final
so you may want to wait until May 4th :-)
esp for screenshots lindon: good to know - will do marclaporte: so apart being blocked to delete 40 pages or so, do you need anything else to continue doing a great contribution? lindon: wish I could edit content templates
would eventually want to admin structures, but could also pose suggestions here instead marclaporte: ok, I added the perms to your group
structures, you already had lindon: you're right, i hadn't checked that in a while - thanks!
wanted to admin menus too
just to add to author resources for appropriate group luminoso: humm
when uploading an flv file the upload never ends
any idea about this? lindon: marclaporte: also categories and dynamic content
marclaporte: just noticing that i now have a developer menu marclaporte: yup lindon: may not need to mess with menus then
thanks! marclaporte: dev menu was not showing for your group lindon: got it marclaporte: 3.0 now has a perm to admin menu
before, only admins could
lindon: : I just added a whole bunch of admin perms (file gallry, menu, etc) lindon: thanks man!
hopefully
one day we'll get this
to where you don't have to worry about the docs
and you can focus on the developer vision thing you do so well marclaporte: thank you!
uploading an flv file the upload never ends : on doc.tw.o or elsewhere?
you can deal with tags too lindon: how do you mean? marclaporte: about tags?
you now perms to delete tags if you see any
I cleanup quite a few earlier ***: Caarrie is now known as Caarrie|sleeping lindon: okay i see that now
what kind of freetags are you getting rid of? marclaporte: just obvious errors
bots attemping to log in lindon: got it marclaporte: do you use full screen mode? lindon: rarely marclaporte: ok
So, once the cleanup is "done" (at this rate, it should be very soon)
After, we should have a discussion about process
This seems inefficient: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Documentation+Status+Tracker lindon: agree with that
good idea to discuss process marclaporte: this would include translators
I think we can have less structures
One general multilingual structure which has everything in English, and overrides with your language if page is available lindon: that does sound better for languages marclaporte: we could mini-structures with most important docs
5-10 pages
small enough that it's resonable to maintain
...
lots of cleanup here: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/WantedPages lindon: wow hadn't seen that one yet
the language ones probably go away if you get rid of the documantation status page for each one
was also thinking about plugins and modules
wondered if these could be documented via a tracker
instead of a page for each one
easier to maintain
might not be sufficient though marclaporte: documantation status page per lang : +1 to empy pages (or delete)
plugins & modules: we could also have something that links with tiki source code. lindon: that's good
to encourage development
wanted pages: need to get away from documenting the world i think
too many general concepts, general definitions etc. wanted IMHO
too wikipedia ***: sm- has joined #tikiwiki sm-: is there a module for an svn browser?
like the code activity on your main site? ***: pkdille has quit IRC (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
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marclaporte has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) mlaporte: sm-: can you elaborate? sm-: on the main site
on the left hand side.. the section.. "Code Activity"
with the svn browser
i am looking for exactly that mlaporte: ah
supplied by CIA.vc sm-: is it avaliable? mlaporte: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/wish1995 -> It's on wishlist sm-: ;-( mlaporte: related: http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/Software_Project sm-: i hope the 1995 isnt the year that wish list was made :-) mlaporte: hahahaha
lindon: yes, too much documenting the World
I think doc.tikiwiki.org needs to be more focused
and bug reports & RFEs, and info for developers go to dev.tikiwiki.org
while community aspects and anything that doesn't fit elsewhere goes to tikiwiki.org sm-: ok what im wondering.. is how you joined after i asked me question and asked me to elaborate? ;-) mlaporte: irc.tikiwiki.org logs sm-: me i mean my and oh.. didnt know that was there
any kind of an eta on the svn browser? mlaporte: sm-: I think Tiki is very close to being excellent platform for Software Project sm-: well thats why im trying it out.. i read a forum .. somebody posted there experience with tiki with there software project and he was very happy with it mlaporte: :-)
Here is something in the future to complete: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Code+Review sm-: just .. its my first day with it so im having problems.. ill figure it all out im sure :-) mlaporte: hehe sm-: could you tell me.. what is this "tracker" module?
ohh i like that
ok.. how would i set it up so that certain things are in the menu?
like.. certain wiki articles?
for example.. "Features" i'd like it to be a wiki article but also be in the menu mlaporte: trackers are way to build a database, create forms & reports
So you can have a bug tracker, issue tracker, etc. sm-: i found the menu setup yay!
im going to bed! mlaporte: later! ***: SEWilco2 has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) lindon: mlaporte: i blew up the demo again :(
clicked all 4 SEFURL options on the admin page
and then tried to go to articles home on the main menu
got all the characters again mlaporte: hehe
fyi, I started: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=Content+Creation+and+Management+Tools&diff_style=htmldiff&compare=Compare&newver=0&oldver=14&tra_lang=ar
trying to reduce the number of wanted links lindon: ok, i'll start working on that too
clicking on a letter at the top of listpages page on the doc site
only brings up pages starting with that letter in lower case only mlaporte: ah
not good ***: marclaporte has joined #tikiwiki lindon: off to bed - good night! ***: lindon has quit IRC ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032609]") marclaporte: later! ***: AkaZn has quit IRC ("-=SysReset 2.55=-")
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nevali has quit IRC ("Leaving") luciash: polom marclaporte: polom luciash: hi marc :) marclaporte: how are you? CIA-46: tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r18097 10/branches/3.0/styles/ (darkroom.css feb12.css strasa.css thenews.css): [FIX] Removed excess white space caused by switching article title from div to h2. luciash: marclaporte: great, and ya ? :) marclaporte: pretty good
lots of great progress on doc.tikiwiki.org
thanks to Lindon -: luciash starting open.ground business ;) luciash: yup, noticed, kewl :)
seems lots of ppl to come to tikifest london
it's mini-tikifest nomore
in number of participants ;) ***: chibaguy has joined #tikiwiki luciash: wb gary :) chibaguy: thanks luciash
I have a plan, I would like your opinion. luciash: sure chibaguy: I was wondering what to do with tikinewt -- keep or move or kil....
But thought how about using it as test theme for importing layout.css?
low-risk way to introduce layout.css in branch 3, I think.
The other themes wouldn't be touched.
This way layout.css will be in the release, and I can have the (newer) mods.tw.o themes use it.
And I think it'll make things easier for other people with custom themes. luciash: i personally don't mind afa it doesn't break anything marclaporte: yay for tikifest london! chibaguy: I have a modified tikinewt.css which has its layout-type css removed. marclaporte: It's my turn to watch from home ;-) luciash: marclaporte: heheh chibaguy: It can replace the current branch 3 tikinewt. Plus I'll add styles/layout/layout.css.
I guess that's the best path for it. -: caralluna is having second thoughts ... chibaguy: Actually I have modified the other branch 3 theme stylesheets too, but don't want to risk introducing problems, so will wait to change them.
Yeah, marclaporte, I hope they'll put on a good show for us. luciash: first i thought it will be better to remove tikinewt from 3.0 to reduce work we need to keep fixing the themes included still... -: marclaporte thinks chibaguy was the best cameraman in the history of TikiFests chibaguy: Heh, thanks. It was fun. -: marclaporte thinks tikinewt doesn't look so good. marclaporte: But tikinewt with theme options and different colors, could be ok chibaguy: No, I don't think so either. But it can serve as a test for layout.css use. marclaporte: but we have little time luciash: on the other hand can you do it in trunk and include layout.css only to 3.0 ?
to have it ready there for your 3.0 mods themes ? chibaguy: That's true. luciash: with a note it's there for mods themes maybe
(when people wonder it's not used by any file) chibaguy: Doing the branch 3 stylesheet 'conversions' for layout.css gave me some clues about what should be in layout.css and what left in the theme css...
Actually layout.css also contains some default colors for things like wiki diff classes; nobody touches them much. luciash: yeah, it's good idea to separate padding, margins and basic layout CSS stuff from look and feel stuff (font sizes, families, colors, graphics) chibaguy: padding and margins are tricky, cause they can be for both/either layout/design, etc.
But this can be fine-tuned after it's in svn... luciash: yep, for these content usability neccesity colorings it's ok i think, because they can be overriden in theme css later then chibaguy: right
My idea is that transitions/ files will be unneeded because that info can go directly in layout.css.
Also the (to me) confusing admin option of which transition file to use, etc. can be removed.
marclaporte, I agree tikinewt with theme options, etc. could be ok. I moved the ones jonnyb made for tikineat to tikinewt's directory in my local install, and they work nicely. ***: navster has joined #tikiwiki luciash: chibaguy: well, sometimes ppl want to opt-out the use of transition css because it breaks or affects their custom theme in some way they don't like... that's why the transition css is optional caralluna: chibaguy: Transition files has always confused me too, still does luciash: so i wouldn't kill that preference completely in favor of having it all in layout.css by default where only overriding it would be option to fix
but maybe better way how to do it can be implemented
maybe if layout.css would be optional would be sufficient chibaguy: well, since layout.css is imported by theme stylesheets, these people would have the choice not to put the import line in their css file. luciash: what about having transition css classes and ids listed on tiki-edit_css.php somewhat with a question to add them to user edited custom css ?
ah, right, i thought layout.css will be included in template on top
but if you do it using @import then fine, it will not affect older themes chibaguy: that's true
about opting out of transitions stylesheets, that seems rather strange to me because a lot of 'necessary' classes, etc. get put in there... luciash: but still i believe the original purpose of transitions css was to serve ppl who upgrade the new *non-layout* specific classes easily without forcing them to manually edit css files
so the transition between versions will be easier for them chibaguy: that makes sense but then there is quite a risk of missing some classes if the person chooses not to use transitions/. luciash: imho it wasn't very well done though... the transition css should be optional by theme actually
yes, by default they're on, user can opt-out to not use the transition css if he/she prefers
(in case some oddities appear after upgrade) chibaguy: My feeling is that devs add things to transitions that they think are necessary, that they expect sites to use. ***: mycomputer has joined #tikiwiki luciash: still it serves as a nice list of what classes and ids appeared between versions, though it doesn't list classes which were removed/replaced chibaguy: yes, it is good for that, but some things get added to theme stylesheets, so it's just a partial list. luciash: actually, in an ideal world, they should go to transition css file too if they're important and not only one theme specific chibaguy: Hm, I thought they should go to all theme stylesheets if they're important.
If they're important, why would they be optional? luciash: well, let me give you an example
user creates custom theme where some part is really customized a lot (e.g. logo at fixed position on right bottom scrolling with page scrolling)
then (imagine) in next Tiki version there's specified the logo should be always left in some circumstances (ad banner, etc.) and someone puts it in transition or your layout css
accidentally the user uses same id or class for it but with lower priority weight (e.g. uses only #logo instead of #siteheader #logo which is in the new tiki version layout css) and sudenly his theme is borked in some way
so the user could prefer not to use the transition/layout
i know it's not the best example, but it's the spirit of preserve environment and make it optional...
maybe i'm just thinking too much around the corner ;) chibaguy: Sure, every new release brings that kind of problem, with css or tpls or whatever, especially for highly customized themes. But turning off transitions will solve one...
problem but then all the other css in transitions isn't used either, so not really a good solution imho.
I think the person who can make a highly customized theme can adjust to new releases by editing css, etc.
and doesn't need an admin gui.
... with large on/off switch.
Actually I did most themes/adaptations assuming transitions was not used. Then had problems when some transitions styling conflicted with my theme stylesheet.
....because there was 'design' stuff in transitions (border specified, etc.)
Hopefully that's a rare case.
Same problem with 'design' inline css, for example when I was doing Darkroom there were lots of cases of bad contrast because inline css assumed a light-colored background.
But that's improving, too. luciash: that's the point of having option to switch them off but well, if it will be done better with layout.css +1 for simplify it and having no need to use transitions css chibaguy: it's good to get your views.
I tend to get one idea in my head and forget about other perspectives. ;-) luciash: np, it's normal, everybody does :) ***: navster has quit IRC () marclaporte: 'night!
all: help needed! http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Release30process#Blockers caralluna: help needed to fix them you mean? Tikiwiki|bot: Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc Channel. TikiWiki or better known as TW, is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution, you can get more infomation at http://info.tikiwiki.org/ . caralluna: lol, Tikiwikibot is eager to h e l p :-P spoonypjk: tell tikiwikibot to change the topic :) caralluna: I can't ... I just know what a bot is ... I know nothing about how you can tell it to do anything :-P chibaguy: Also a lot of things further down the page (quasi-blockers, etc.) really should be fixed before the release. A lot of regressions from Tiki 2 there. caralluna: but yeah, it's a bit outdated now chibaguy: IMHO actually more important than having new features working 100%. caralluna: chibaguy: hope I could help, unfortunately I don't know any php chibaguy: I know the feeling. ;-) caralluna: ;-) luciash: úhelp voice
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SEWilco2 has joined #tikiwiki sm-: i need an svn browser!
;-) SEWilco2: I am available to browse svn for an immodest fee. :-) caralluna: lol ***: SEWilco2 has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) sm-: ..
not exactly what im lookin for
i mean like the module on the main site there.. the one titled "code activity" sylvieg: sm-: does this http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/branches/3.0/ help? ***: SEWilco2 has joined #tikiwiki
RobertS has joined #tikiwiki RobertS: ahoi ***: RobertS is now known as Guest43730 caralluna: Ahoi Guest43730: ah:) hi caralluna caralluna: hiya :-) Guest43730: dunno why i get Guest-status after typed immediatly caralluna: yeah, I noticed that yesterday too Guest43730: may i bother u with a new question :)?- you helped me yesterday pretty good caralluna: If you are incredibly lucky it's something I know something about ;-) Fire away ;-) Guest43730: its about images - they are to get into wiki-sites pretty complicated cause i have to type in the whole adress that i can see in the galary
it would be alot of easier to hav a choice to get images into my "posts" directly from my PC to the post
you got my problem? caralluna: well, there is a thing I don't know much about
but yeah, I know what you mean Guest43730: well np at all it works - i was looking for easier ways :P caralluna: I don't know of any, sorry Guest43730: have you installed your 3.0 already and does it work? caralluna: yeah and yeah :-)
www.hansrune.com is my main "production" site, works very well :-) Guest43730: great - do you know if i can stay with my personal changes and ma data when i want to update on a stable version3.0 later?
ah i'll have a look - mine is: www.sonnenmeister.eu caralluna: I don't have much experience about that, but the few times I tried it was between 3.0 betas - and that worked flawlessly Guest43730: ok - i just had a short look on your page - very nice - themes for vistors - pretty handsome caralluna: thanks :-)
it's not a very difficult thing to enable Guest43730: what is the aim of yours if there is one - do u think to built up something real? sm-: sylvieg not that i can see..
im talking about a module for tikiwiki that acts as an svn browser Guest43730: gimme a min cara ill try a relog ***: Guest43730 has left
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trying to not get guest status :P caralluna: RobertS, just my personal homepage ... I'm into computers, gadgets, photos and cars ... so I guess that will be what it'll be about ***: RobertS is now known as Guest61398 caralluna: hmmm weird ... Guest61398: lol and guest again - what can this be - cookies or soemthing like this?
ic caralluna: no idea, sorry ***: Amorphous has left "part" Guest61398: u said your site is on a providers VPS - so u got no speed problems i guess
could u test out my site - to see if its slow for you ? caralluna: well not that one ... that is @ my house on an ADSL Guest61398: :)) ok
ic - i just opened a lot of things under the hood - it was very slow - but worked caralluna: www.rettvest.org is my test site, that is on a VPS ... try tw.rettvest.org, tw2.rettvest.org, tw3.rettvest.org, tw4.rettvest.org
but the only access I have to that site from a clients perspective is through ssh - so it's not the best way to test speed
guess I could set up some kind of remote desktop-thing or a proxy, but I don't have the knowledge Guest61398: i was on tw4 - this was faster maybe a little - id say - its hard to say caralluna: tw4 is running 4.0 of TW, so that's very early code
been having a lot of trouble inserting stuff into that database Guest61398: do u know where i can rename the database for my wiki - so i could take a backup first - make a new database - and restore my data on this new one?
to give my tiki the database's name was only at the install-proccess at beginning a possibility - where i can change my database-name in my tiki-wiki - any idea? ***: ChadDa3mon has joined #tikiwiki caralluna: hmm ... you'd have to rename it in TW through the installer I guess - and then the real database as well Guest61398: how to run the installer when its already runnning? caralluna: put tiki-installer.php on the end of the adress ... or was it tiki-install.php
then you'll have to remove a lock file, it will tell you which Guest61398: ah i got it - thx caralluna: :-) marclaporte: caralluna: a new feature to automatically update Tikis from source was added to TRIM caralluna: marclaporte: for several tikis you mean? Guest61398: brb marclaporte: caralluna: : yes, several, and they update on a cron job caralluna: marclaporte: Thanks, but I prefer to do that manually ... I don't have *that* many ;-)
... I think anyways ;-) ...but I'll check it out :-) ***: nevali has quit IRC ("Leaving") marclaporte: :-) caralluna: I read about TRIM a while back ... concluded I didn't wanna use it ... but things are changing :-) marclaporte: it's getting better all the time caralluna: yeah, one of the things I love about it :-P ***: Caarrie|away has joined #tikiwiki
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Yeah, so it's a Moai, not a Tiki. One shouldn't do that to a Tiki anyway. ***: chibaguy has quit IRC ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client")
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"Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought ...
...Grow Dammit Garden Stone...
..." oh, I won't list the rest. Too sad. -: SEWilco2 offers a tissue
chibaguy_ hesitantly accepts....
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chibaguy_ is relieved at least they aren't wet wipes.... ChadDa3mon: This feels like a stupid question, but where in the world can I enable plugins in 3.X? ***: caralluna has quit IRC ("TikiWiki FTW! ;-)") ChadDa3mon: guess it was a stupid question :/ ***: caralluna has joined #tikiwiki
nkoth3 has joined #tikiwiki chibaguy_: ChadDa3mon, tiki-admin.php?page=textarea ***: rpg has joined #tikiwiki chibaguy_: Not a stupid question; seems like I generally find what I'm looking for at Admin Textarea. ChadDa3mon: ....how did I miss this :( chibaguy_: (ok, in the general area of wiki-related prefs, etc.) ChadDa3mon: Text Area was the winner chibaguy_: yesss ChadDa3mon: I could swear I went through every tab of every option -: chibaguy_ just successfully ftp'ed up and installed tw 3.0beta4.... ChadDa3mon: did that just come out in the last hour? I tried the "check for updates" thing earlier and it said I was up to date marclaporte: yes, Beta4 is fresh chibaguy_: There was a message on the dev mailing list that tarballs are ready for testing.
Shoutbox is still broken.
( http://mods.tikiwiki.org/tikiwiki-3.0.prebeta4.tar.bz2 ) ***: snarlydwarf has joined #tikiwiki chibaguy_: (well, I guess the release of a beta raises my expectations, but of course the list of bugs still to be squashed hasn't magically disappeared.) ***: Guest61398 has quit IRC ("Tiki PJIRC Integrator") caralluna: My site has been saying it was running beta4 for some time now ...?
and I am running 3.0 svn ChadDa3mon: Is there a release notes somewhere on 4? chibaguy_: There's changelot.txt in the package. Is that what you mean?
er, changelog.txt
changelot is the description, not the name, I guess. ;-) caralluna: changelot should be the correct name ;-) chibaguy_: :-) ChadDa3mon: heh
yea, I'm downloading it now, I'll look at the file
was trying to find something online chibaguy_: http://zukakakina.com/tw3prebeta4/changelog.txt if you want to read now. ChadDa3mon: excellent, thanks ***: Wilkins has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) chibaguy_: g'night all ***: chibaguy_ has left
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saw ur email wrt user prefs... thought they were on their own admin panel now marclaporte: maybe they are, I just didn't see them :-) ricks99: off to update from svn
branches still the source for 3.0? marclaporte: y ricks99: source of the tarball, i mean?
k marclaporte: yes ***: rlopez_ has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection)
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sm- has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) marclaporte: ricks99: : can you look at? http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Release30process#Installer
ricks99: alos, in svn, notice how I tweaked wiki help ricks99: still dont like the giant red ( ? )
looks like SEARCH to me marclaporte: +1 to change big red icon
it was never meant to be final
but many temporary things can linger for a long time :-) ricks99: gettng close to 'final' tho....
at least the admin pages look pretty :) marclaporte: yes they do
I moved a few more things around ricks99: some install blockers look easy to do marclaporte: yup
The edit help would use some WYSIWYCA (ex.: remove doc about cookie if cookies are off) caralluna: Are there any plans of revamping the menu creation / reorganization system? marclaporte: caralluna: making menus in profiles.tikiwiki.org can be quicker than via interface
I would like to see better navigation.
ex.: use structures as menu caralluna: uhm .. structures? marclaporte: strctures make a tree from wiki pages
#1 on list: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Menu#Open
caralluna: : what do you have in mind? caralluna: I just find that it could probably have been easier to create menu structure marclaporte: yeah, lots of clicking around... caralluna: f ex what about something like inputting it into a spreadsheet and then importing it ... ricks99: menus r great if the structure is static, otherwise dynamiclly created menus from wiki structures would b gr8 caralluna: wait, that is possible, right?
importing I mean marclaporte: I think so caralluna: Or maybe some kind of click'n'drag thing? marclaporte: that would be nice for structures as well caralluna: on the other hand, the lack of click'n'drag stuff was one of the things that made TW interesting for me in the first place :-P luminoso: what is the best? storing images on database or in directory? caralluna: but that was in the end of 1.8, so I guess I've changed too :-D marclaporte: caralluna: why? caralluna: I've always been sort of minimalistic about webstuff ... but that has somewhat changed lately
now the features, especially the trackers and you guys are what got me back ;-) marclaporte: caralluna: so you are an "us" :-) caralluna: Yeah, it's gotta be extreme to get me away now ;-) ChadDa3mon: Did something happen with doc.tikiwiki.org? ricks99: @luminoso: depends.... marclaporte: amette is aware of doc. luminoso: ricks99, on what?
dos database compress jpegs? ricks99: @lsee docs for discussion of +/- of each caralluna: marclaporte: I wanted to join you the coming weekend ChadDa3mon: I'm trying to go to the download section, and after a long wait, it's prompting me to download tiki-index.php
something got boogered up marclaporte: excellent!!
but? ricks99: db = more db overhead (which impacts performance), but makes it much easier to backup the site and is more secure ***: Caarrie is now known as Caarrie|away caralluna: marclaporte: a combination of money issue and a very good friend of mine battling cancer for a couple of years now planning a social gettogether that same weekend ... he goes above everything for me now marclaporte: caralluna: : I understand caralluna: too bad, seems like London is the closest place to me for a Tikifest for a while (I live in Norway) CIA-46: tikiwiki: 03ricks99 * r18111 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [ENH]allow for manual installation - link to do page (at step 4), better explanation of htaccess file (step 6). luminoso: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/ is down? ChadDa3mon: yes, it appears that way
been trying to say that for a few minutes, not sure who else to let know ;)
seems to be working now :) ***: Lucymoz has joined #tikiwiki marclaporte: caralluna: : next time :-) ricks99: @luminoso: more discussion of db vs. directory: http://twbasics.keycontent.org/Configuring+Image+Galleries&bl=y <shameless plug> luminoso: ty
awesome guide
after having image in databases, is possible to convert it to directory? ricks99: tx
y. i think there is an image moover CIA-46: tikiwiki: 03ricks99 * r18112 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-admin-include-module.tpl: [FIX]removed empty div caralluna: marclaporte: Yeah, lets hope so ... looking at the schedule it's gotta be Strasbourg ... but probably not, I really prefer my travelling by car in Norway :-) marclaporte: caralluna: : do you code? ***: luminoso has quit IRC (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) caralluna: marclaporte: I did in my "early years" ... spent waaaay too much time coding on my calculators in school ;-) Now it's a little bit HTML, barely above "Hello World" level and some simple Unix / Linux shell for my own use marclaporte: :-) caralluna: I've wanted to learn something, PHP or python or something ... but then I rediscovered TW ;-) marclaporte: TW is almost a language in itself Tikiwiki|bot: Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc Channel. TikiWiki or better known as TW, is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution, you can get more infomation at http://info.tikiwiki.org/ . ***: Caarrie|away is now known as Caarrie
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Seems that the bot is pretty eager to help :-P
maybe it can fix some of the blocks for 3.0 release :-P ***: luminoso has joined #tikiwiki
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mycomputer has quit IRC ("Quitte") luminoso: tw b8 file upload for file galleries have a lot of problems.. Tikiwiki|bot: Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc Channel. TikiWiki or better known as TW, is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution, you can get more infomation at http://info.tikiwiki.org/ . luminoso: errors, uploads that never finish, etc..
wow b4 already out?
any tips to upgrade from b3 to b4? ***: AkaZn has left ricks99: grab the tarball and run the installer. select "upgrade" luminoso: on sourceforce the last one is b3
any tip about file upload that never finish? ricks99: check your executution timeout (php.ini) luminoso: max_execution_ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD
max_execution_time ?
ok. increased from 30 to 600 ricks99: check max upload size, too ***: FrankP_german has joined #tikiwiki luminoso: ricks99, 200M
are u a developer?
a file upload progress bar would be great! ricks99: on the wishlist (i think) luminoso: nice :-D SEWilco2: "File upload: YES. Step up to the bar during upload." ricks99: may also need to increase max input time.
pls see docs for details: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Requirements+and+Setup&bl#_PHP caralluna: SEWilco2: the progress bar? ;-) ricks99: with ajax on, don't u get a "loading" prompt? luminoso: i get an image only
animated ricks99: better than nothing (not much, tho) luminoso: wow not it says that the file is duplicated
but no file listed ricks99: clear cache? luminoso: wich one? tw or mine? ricks99: try clearning tiki cache
can u confirm if the file was actually uploaded (using db or file) luminoso: i'm sorry but how do i clean tw cache SEWilco2: Luminoso: In the Admin part of the menu is a menu option for tiki cache. ricks99: Admin > Tiki Cache (pls see docs: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/System+Admin) luminoso: ok something is really wrong. after cleaning all caches and uploading a file that i never tried before it says that is duplicate
hum
maybe i should install b4 first
but on SF is only b3 ***: Caarrie is now known as Caarrie|away luminoso: humm ***: nevali has joined #tikiwiki ricks99: u can get latest from svn ***: sm has joined #tikiwiki
nevali has quit IRC ("Leaving") sm: how would i put wiki articles on the front page? ***: sm is now known as Guest21768
Guest21768 is now known as sm-- caralluna: sm--: you could sert wiki as your tiki start page if that is what you mean
sert=> set sm--: i mean.. well if you dont mind taking a look.. ricks99: @sm: 2 ways... sm--: although just know i installed tikiwiki last night so im still learning ;-) ricks99: either set ARTICLES as your home page, or sm--: www.worxpanel.net caralluna: sm--: sure! link? ricks99: use ARTICLES plugin on your wiki home page sm--: im trying to put that features wiki article on the front page under the main article
i managed to put a link to the wiki article in the menu but that was mainly for lack of being able to put the article on the front page like i wanted it CIA-46: tikiwiki: 03ricks99 * r18113 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-plugin_help.tpl: [ENH]Use icons instead of text ricks99: @sm: see docs: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/PluginArticles caralluna: Interesting project you have going sm-- ;-) sm--: thanks
now if i could figure out how to work tikiwiki i would be all set! ;-)
im usin tikiwiki cause i read somebody else say they used it for developing there project and they loved it so.. here i am ;-) caralluna: That's why we're all here you know! ;-) ricks99: @sm: try http://twbasics.keycontent.org <shameless plug> sm--: ;-) -: sm-- looks sm--: looks like what i was lookin for
is it by chance your traffic reports starts with kansas city?
ohh never mind i read that wrong
ignore me been a long day lol marclaporte: http://twbasics.keycontent.org is amazing! ricks99: ... if only i could get the VERSIONS plugin fixed..... sm--: marclaporte svn browser! ;-) marclaporte: hahahah ricks99: bbl marclaporte: sm-- do you want to code it?
1- Find open source packages which read SVN
2- Configure Tiki-Integrator to access ***: SEWilco2 has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
SEWilco2 has joined #tikiwiki sylvieg: back - is beta4 out? or does it need some test? SEWilco2: Oh, good. getimagesize() works even if createimagefromstring() fails. Now to see if 3.*/4.* needs my improvement. marclaporte: SEWilco2 : & sylvieg I have plenty of ideas/bugs if you two have extra time
duplicate plugins Image vs Img, Files vs File -> we need to figure this out sylvieg: I am back on the module ajax bug - it will take me some time marclaporte: ok
is that a blocker for 3.0?
4 plugins completely crash tiki sylvieg: for me yes - I am almost always obliged to uncheck ajax marclaporte: ok SEWilco2: marclaporte: You mean we have to only have 3 plugins? Gee, there are dozens. :-)
I just got IMAGE to get the file size so it can emit a border of the right size.
s/file size/image size/
I'm not familiar with "Files vs File". There are plugins for files of any type?
Is Img really a plugin? It somehow works without the comma-separated list of parameters. marclaporte: file is more for wiki page attach
files for file gallery
but I want to be sure this is what we want sylvieg: .... yeh file is for wiki page - files is for fgal SEWilco2: PluginFile not found. http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=PluginFile
I haven't tried PluginFiles. I'm just using the filegal directory, but I can see why someone might want {FILES}. sylvieg: file comes for the wiki syntax - files was written by me (when the smarty {} was not plugin)
so perhpas me can merge - but it will be painful to change all the wiki page.... SEWilco2: (incidentally, we're about to try our filegal thumbnail in production tomorrow. Adds a thumbnail column which invokes plugins for the content.) sylvieg: for img it is the same I think - img from smarty syntax, img form a previously existing plugin - and SEWilco2's image SEWilco2: Of course IMAGE resembles img. I tried to make it upwardly compatible with img.
If img would work with the same syntax as IMAGE, we could give a choice of the img code for small sites or the full IMAGE capabilities.
I think I found that {IMG(src=http://example.com/a.jpg) /} does not work
If IMAGE could work with the IMG syntax (without () and commas) then one could configure between the two, so there would be only one used on a site.
But img has special handling someplace; I think in Smarty. It's been a while since I looked for it. -: SEWilco2 pokes marclaporte with a stick. SEWilco2: sylvieg: Think he's still awake? marclaporte: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=All+plugins+in+3.0
http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=All+modules+in+3.0&bl=y
just fyi ALL
lots of work to do
with plugins alias, image could = img SEWilco2: Isn't there a PLUGINS plugin? Don't see one. Some false hits in the right column, such as "Wiki Plugins" is not a plugin.
Does the plugin alias allow parameters without commas, like img can use? marclaporte: probably just a page about plugins
I think all plugins now can use without comma
plugin helper builds them without commas SEWilco2: Oh, I haven't created the page PluginIMAGE yet. Oops. marclaporte: but I don';t think we want two
Can your plugin supercede IMG?
if so, let's do it
if not, let's push to 3.1 SEWilco2: Probably. I tried to make it upwardly compatible. Might be differences such as in the exact align=/imalign= behavior. marclaporte: that is not very reassuring SEWilco2: I need to update 3 with the latest version, which is more IE6 compatible. marclaporte: SEWilco2: thousands of people will upgrade to Tiki 3
most use images
this is not something that we can just take chances SEWilco2: I think img uses both CSS and HTML alignment, while IMAGE uses a single method. CIA-46: tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18114 10/branches/3.0/modules/mod-shoutbox.php: [FIX]to avoid double declaration sylvieg: fullscreen button is broken :-( SEWilco2: IMAGE maps align=left and imalign=left to the same thing. marclaporte: it's partially broken SEWilco2: I just got new glasses. A partially broken fullscreen might make me ill.
IMAGE uses CSS (the imalign technology) for left/right. Uses text-align:center for align=center (for IE6 compatibility and lack of center in CSS). marclaporte: sylvieg: : can files supercede file plugin? ***: tanjir has joined #tikiwiki sylvieg: no without work SEWilco2: Maybe for 3.0 the plugin alias IMG->IMAGE should be tested and documented. People can test whether IMAGE looks good on their sites. marclaporte: SEWilco2: : I don't understand your proposal SEWilco2: So we don't have to force people with img to use IMAGE. We instead tell them how to configure to use IMAGE if they wish to use it. ***: franck has joined #tikiwiki CIA-46: tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18115 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki.tpl: [FIX]fullscreen: url like tiki-index.php?page=xxx must not haev the = escaped SEWilco2: marklaporte: Didn't you say the plugin alias feature allows invoking another plugin under a different name?
marclaporte: Can a site which uses img configure plugin alias to instead invoke IMAGE?
I've been busy on 2.* and haven't tested plugin alias myself... and need to make a little mod to support alias parameters.
I think I need to make IMAGE allow a parameter "mandatory=" to override internal values of "mandatory=". if(!empty(...
I need to take a one hour break soon. marclaporte: we can also push to 3.1 or 4.0
or put as experimental
I don't know if alias can invoke existing plugin
but that would be a good feature. A bit like a turbo mode
switch between php4 and php5 ***: sm-- has quit IRC (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
PrezKennedy has quit IRC (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) SEWilco2: I know that I suggested the plugin alias tool, for adding default parameters, so one can configure default behavior such as align=right.
But I haven't checked just how the alias tool behaves. Maybe tonight. ***: FrankP_german has quit IRC ("Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de") caralluna: would somebody just write a message with my nick in it? Just doing a bit of testing here ... SEWilco2: caralluna: No, nobody will. caralluna: SEWilco2: Yeah, I was afraid of that ;-)
thanks :-) SEWilco2: marclaporte: Looking at PluginAlias (which isn't really a plugin): Yes, it has an existing plugin as a target ("base"). marclaporte: PluginAlias wiki page? ***: sm-- has joined #tikiwiki
PrezKennedy has joined #tikiwiki SEWilco2: marclaporte: But the doc PluginAlias doesn't say if an alias Name is checked before the list of plugins is checked. Whether real plugins have priority over alias names.
marclaporte: lib/tikilib.php plugin_get_list() uses array_merge($real,$alias). So if non-numeric keys are used for plugins, aliases override existing plugins.
Oops, that's only the list of plugins.
marclaporte: Yeah, real plugins have priority. plugin_execute() tries function_exists() before considering an alias. marclaporte: hmmm
would be better for alias to have priority, no>? SEWilco2: But that's not right either. I think that means one can't add default parameters to an existing plugin. So can't add "align=right" to img nor IMAGE.
Yes, if alias has priority then both overriding and default parameters are possible.
I don't understand the PluginAlias doc well enough yet to see whether parameters have priority. Oh, it didn't matter in current implementation. caralluna: Under Look&Feel -> General -> Top Bar -> Menu ID, is it possible to display two or more menus there? sylvieg: you can do custom code {menu id=...} SEWilco2: marclaporte: I suspect plugin alias offers a choice whether parameters override user input, so already has parameter-level priority options.
bbl marclaporte: later ***: SEWilco2 has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection) marclaporte: sylvieg: : the inline edit plugin suggestion: how do I test that? sylvieg: ??? caralluna: sylvieg: Yeah, that sort of works, but doesn't do exactly what I want. If I do that they end up on two lines. I want several menus to display on the same line in the menu bar (i.e above Location) sylvieg: css adjustment? caralluna: would probably work, but I know nothing about css marclaporte: sylvieg: : you wrote on svn list: "And what about putting the icon inline after the plugin?"
I like that idea and would like to test sylvieg: ;-) I think it is a rollback
will do tomorrow - need to advance on this ajax problem
does somebody know why we complexify our life by using the xajax lib - I do not see any interest in using the layer... marclaporte: xajax, mootools, jquery, prototype...
too many! caralluna: way past bedtime for me ... good night! ***: caralluna is now known as caralluna|asleep -: sylvieg will propose to replace the xajax lib with jquery feature..... ***: snarlydwarf has quit IRC ("Ex-Chat") marclaporte: http://socghop.appspot.com/org/home/google/gsoc2009/tikiwiki
4 projects!!! -: marclaporte suggests to ask Jonny to do that while Sylvie can fix other bugs