#tikiwiki 2009-04-22,Wed

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Who	What	When
marclaporte	marclaporte senses that nyloth will win	[00:07]
nyloth	marclaporte: lol marclaporte: could you test again ? files are on sf should be ok now I'll have to investigate why the release script is not tagging with the last secdb commit... but not now ;p (it's late here...)	[00:08]
marclaporte	hehe, ok I will get new .zip marclaporte calls it Beta4c	[00:10]
nyloth	so ? :) marclaporte: still eating ? ;)	[00:23]
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nyloth	I need to go ... I tested and it seems ok now See you later bye	[00:33]
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lindon	is there somewhere that someone can see all the parameters that exist for each module to make sure the docs are complete	[02:53]
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ricks99_	look @ the code?	[03:19]
lindon	ok not that familiar with code is it easy to pick out for a layperson?	[03:19]
ricks99_	good chane to learn. ;--)	[03:20]
lindon	you're right!	[03:20]
ricks99_	btw, gr8 job on the docs so far.	[03:20]
lindon	thank you! anxious to see your admin panels i've heard a lot about them	[03:20]
ricks99_	any thoughts on streamlining the menu structure for doc.tw.o? tx. admin panels have been my pet peve for a LONG time	[03:21]
lindon	do you mean left and right columns or Documentation structure or both	[03:22]
ricks99_	left/right cols (modules, content, etc.) for now doc structure later	[03:24]
lindon	not sure i have a good answer yet i find that i use the keywords even though i thought it was hideously long at first also use search by page name which surprises me i didn't think i would at first	[03:26]
ricks99_	really.... interesting i h8 the keyword list :( i'd rather use tags	[03:28]
lindon	the freetags?	[03:30]
ricks99_	imho, keywords like "dogfood" are meaningless to most end-users y. tags=freetags	[03:30]
lindon	that's a good point i thought i would like freetags more than i do so far requiresa lot of groundwork agree it should be superior if fully developed want to work on the admin doc pages once i see your new panels	[03:31]
ricks99_	what do u think is missing?	[03:35]
lindon	not sure how many pages have them not sure it's an accurate heat map	[03:37]
ricks99_	not yet but would/could provide a much better navigation method for end-users just my $0.02	[03:37]
marclaporte	polom	[03:39]
ricks99_	i've been toying with adding tags to Smarties moloq	[03:39]
marclaporte	yes, maybe if we use freetags, the list of keywords will no longer be useful amette: can you svn up dev & doc?	[03:41]
lindon	what does tht mean, adding tags to smarties?	[03:42]
ricks99_	"TW for Smarties" (http://twbasics.keycontent.org) tags also give xrefs for free (via similiar function).	[03:43]
lindon	how could i forget, that's a great site will your admin panels change a lot after beta 4?	[03:44]
ricks99_	no. should be 99% "done" at this point	[03:46]
lindon	thanks - good to know	[03:47]
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marclaporte	ricks99_: do you get what plugin aliases do? if not, here is an example: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=Module&diff_style=unidiff&compare=Compare&newver=0&oldver=7	[04:19]
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lindon	good night all!	[04:33]
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vkumar	hello everybody	[05:45]
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marclaporte	hi	[07:16]
chibaguy	hi marclaporte	[07:20]
Beestje\|Away	hello!	[07:20]
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chibaguy	I wonder what was the correct name for ie6 or ie7 stylesheets in theme's styles/ directories. sylvieg would know. I believe it's possible to have a theme-specific css file in that directory for ie6 and ie7 overrides. but so far I'm not having success. the global ie7 css file is working nicely tho.	[07:22]
	ah, I see a problem... chibaguy has trouble even on copy-paste level of programming... ;-) hmm, no, copy-paste seems correct....	[07:32]
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luciash	polom polom >last --with luci	[07:41]
Sug4r	[23:12:42] <marclaporte> luciash: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/ -> css menu bug with bottom left menu. It is easy to fix?	[07:44]
luciash	thx Sug4r	[07:45]
chibaguy	what bug does marclaporte mean?	[07:46]
luciash	chibaguy: i explained to him and fixed on dev.tw.o	[07:46]
chibaguy	ah	[07:46]
luciash	there was missing type=vert and overflow=y	[07:46]
chibaguy	also if he wants arrows, jquery needs to be turned on.	[07:47]
luciash	he said it's too complicated though	[07:47]
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luciash	arrows appeared there	[07:47]
marclaporte	need profile to do this out of the box	[07:47]
luciash	yay marc :) already woken up ?	[07:47]
chibaguy	true, the menu code needs to be improved in general..	[07:48]
luciash	congrats for beta4, we're getting closer and closer ;)	[07:48]
chibaguy	sylvieg did a good start, I made revisions, then jquery came along and some things sort of mixed in... so it's kind of a stew	[07:48]
marclaporte	need to get to bed have meetings tomorrow	[07:49]
chibaguy	chibaguy wonders if anyone else is experiencing no module-flip icons or suckerfish arrows on the initial page display, needs a refresh or new page to get them. good night marclaporte. sleep well.	[07:49]
luciash	nite marc marclaporte: today ;)	[07:51]
marclaporte	hehe	[07:52]
luciash	chibaguy: i haven't	[07:52]
marclaporte	doc.tikiwiki.org is starting to be much better now lindon cleanup so much junk	[07:53]
luciash	chibaguy: i mean i haven't experienced that	[07:53]
chibaguy	I've had my browser caching turned off. Maybe that's the reason. in answer to my question earlier, it seems that a file like styles/strasa/css/ie6.css should load for ie6. I think that's the intention.	[07:54]
luciash	ah	[07:57]
chibaguy	http://irc.amette.eu/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2008-09-03,Wed&sel=393#l389 I'm trying with ie7 but not having luck so far.	[07:57]
luciash	seems it should work according what sylvie comited if nobody broke later	[07:59]
chibaguy	luciash, really the *:first-child+html isn't working for me, with my ie7 (version 7.0.5730.13) and current svn branch 3. I don't know why. if I add a property with that hack, something simple like a colored border or something, no effect... mysterious	[08:00]
luciash	chibaguy: test here → http://www.dynamicsitesolutions.com/css/filters/first-child-plus-html/ chibaguy: make sure you have the tpl in html comments off chibaguy: or it will switch your browser to quirks mode because sylvie renders them in the beginning of top level tpls as i pointed out earlier	[08:03]
chibaguy	yep the test box is green - hack is applied where do I turn off html comments, again?	[08:06]
luciash	dmin > general	[08:07]
chibaguy	not in features - programmer ?	[08:07]
luciash	blame sylvie ;) for 4.0 we can include these hack tests	[08:08]
chibaguy	yes, that was the problem. thanks. chibaguy looks for nearby wall to bank head on... bank -> bang	[08:10]
luciash	ROFL :D np :) rule 1 for developing for IE: first check the compatibility mode	[08:10]
chibaguy	I'm not compatible with IE, I already checked that. :-)	[08:12]
luciash	g it's always pain when you don't know it's in quirks or strict mode	[08:12]
chibaguy	What is the way to check?	[08:14]
luciash	some javascript in URL bar i posted some weeks ago	[08:17]
chibaguy	ah right	[08:17]
luciash	javascript:alert(document.compatMode);	[08:18]
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luciash	chibaguy: search my mail to you with "Re: IE7 right column rendering problem: quirks/standard mode ?" - IE7 is even more crappy about that ;)	[08:20]
chibaguy	yes, i see	[08:21]
luciash	later, gotta do some work here	[08:23]
chibaguy	ok	[08:25]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18150 10/mods/trunk/Packages/features-phpcas.info.txt: [FIX] phpcas mod: fix files listing that was blocking installation	[08:36]
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caralluna	anybody else experiencing that browser title and sender email input during installation is empty when install is finished?	[09:18]
chibaguy	caralluna, you mean after you input them during the install process?	[09:23]
caralluna	new install, I inout them during the install process, then when install is finished and I go to tiki-admin.php?page=general the two fields are empty *input	[09:25]
chibaguy	What Tiki version is that?	[09:28]
caralluna	it says 3.0b4 now, but it was installed before the committing to b4 yesterday it couldn't be the svn upping that reset that?	[09:29]
chibaguy	I don't know. In my 3.0beta4 test site, the fields have the input info in them.	[09:32]
caralluna	ok	[09:33]
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Beestje	will themes that work under 2.x also work under 3.x ?	[10:03]
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chibaguy	Beestje, it depends on the theme Biggest problems will be for themes that used the old tiki.tpl template. In Tiki 3, the default tiki.tpl uses divs rather than table for main layout.	[10:06]
Beestje	ah, k	[10:07]
caralluna	My impression is that the themes that is in 2.x that is not in 3.x will not be maintained ... is that correct?	[10:07]
chibaguy	Right, not in their old form anyway. It'll be fairly easy to get the visual look by doing theme options.	[10:07]
caralluna	I really think there should be more themes in 3.x, though I understand if it takes a lot of time to maintain them	[10:09]
chibaguy	For instance, at http://zukakakina.com/tw3/ you can choose Tikinewt, then choose a theme option. These options could have appearance of old themes. We want to have not too many included themes, but make it easier to create variations, etc. Plus I've got a scheme worked out where there'll be a layout.css file that a new custom theme can include, and thus get most/all the layout-type css taken care of. So making a new theme should be a lot easier. This'll be documented pretty soon.	[10:10]
Beestje	personally, I think that many people use a different cms because of the nice themes that are available for them.	[10:12]
caralluna	good :-) I really want a good dark theme for 3.x, and I don't like darkroom because of too much space between lines	[10:12]
chibaguy	yes, more and nicer themes are definitely something we want.	[10:12]
caralluna	Beestje: Yes, that is probably true to a certain degree	[10:12]
Beestje	While we already have some good themes, I think tikiwiki is like a ferrari that's disguised as a lada ;)	[10:13]
caralluna	planetfall is nice ;-) yeah, very true :-P	[10:13]
chibaguy	Another thing is to make it easier to find and install new themes. Themes.tw.o and mods.tw.o aren't noticed by people, often.	[10:15]
caralluna	you have some very nice themes on that site chibaguy ;-)	[10:15]
chibaguy	Thanks, as soon as Tiki 3 is out I can finish up details and make download packages. But I want to convert them to use the layout.css method, too.	[10:16]
caralluna	X-tratoveil is beautiful :-)	[10:17]
chibaguy	Heh, yeah, I really like that one, but right now it's missing major chunks of its graphics.	[10:17]
caralluna	yeah, I see that is it possible to "protect" files and/or directories on an installation using SVN? and I love Ohia	[10:18]
chibaguy	I don't know about protecting that way.	[10:20]
caralluna	abse would be very nice were it not for the background image and those darn mousesoverstuff *mouseover	[10:23]
chibaguy	Heh, that's what the theme option feature could take care of.	[10:24]
caralluna	yeah :-)	[10:24]
chibaguy	you can make a small css file and put it in styles/abse/options/myabse.css or whatever and override the things you want to change.	[10:24]
caralluna	If I just knew about css ;-)	[10:24]
chibaguy	simple things are easy, like changing the page background image.	[10:25]
caralluna	an option for less linespacing in darkroom would be great :-)	[10:25]
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chibaguy	Do a page refresh at http://zukakakina.com/tw3/ and then choose xtratoveil.css. I fixed the graphics.	[10:26]
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caralluna	uhmmm ... I can't see any difference	[10:30]
chibaguy	hmm, there should be a difference. even the stylesheet name changed (no more hyphen).	[10:31]
caralluna	Yeah, I see that. Maybe I'm not looking in the right place?	[10:32]
chibaguy	well, what I changed was that now there's a graphic frame around the contents of the center column.	[10:36]
caralluna	can't remember if that was there before :-P	[10:36]
chibaguy	ah, ok details still need fixing, and the site header...	[10:39]
caralluna	and the css menu ;-) But otherwise that theme looks incredibly good! are there any sites you would recommend to learn to make themes?	[10:40]
chibaguy	I started that theme conversion a couple of years ago... and never got around to finishing it.	[10:41]
caralluna	hehe	[10:41]
chibaguy	But in a way it's good that it got delayed, because the underlying functions, etc. are much nicer now.	[10:41]
caralluna	I sure hope you will finish it! :-) yeah	[10:41]
chibaguy	Yeah, I will, and actually the xtrato guy gave me permission to do Tiki versions of all of his free themes.	[10:42]
caralluna	nice ;-)	[10:42]
chibaguy	So I'm hoping after this first one, the others will be fairly quick. umm, there are tutorial sites around, at least for HTML layouts.	[10:42]
caralluna	is that "transferable" to Tiki?	[10:44]
chibaguy	Yes, once you get an idea of the CSS divs that are used in the page, that you need to specify the styling for.	[10:44]
caralluna	If I create a new theme and then do an SVN up, will that affect the files I added to my own installation?	[10:45]
chibaguy	No, they'll be safe if they're new additions and not modifications of existing default files.	[10:45]
caralluna	ah ... but if I modify existing ones and don't change name they will be replaced?	[10:46]
chibaguy	hmm, I don't actually run my svn installation much, but I think so. (I do an svn export for a working copy)	[10:47]
caralluna	ok ... bottom line being: keep a backup! :-P	[10:48]
chibaguy	yep	[10:48]
Floh1111	Hi, I´m new to Tikiwiki (see this post http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?topics_offset=1&topics_sort_mode=lastPost_desc&forumId=3&comments_parentId=32757) and I am currently looking for something like an interface for cronjobs in tikiwiki because I need to call a function at a specified time is there something like that?	[10:56]
sylvieg	Floh1111: for 1 you have http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=PluginFiles with a param file	[10:58]
Floh1111	okay i´ll take a look at this	[10:59]
sylvieg	for 3 there is no integrated cron - but we are supposed to be system independant s/but/because but it is easy to do a .php with tiki-setup.php and what you neeed and use a cron if on linux	[10:59]
Floh1111	mhh you mean there is no way to do things at a specified time from inside tikiwiki?	[11:01]
chibaguy	caralluna, this is an interesting tutorial : http://nettuts.com/working-with-cmss/how-to-theme-any-cms-using-firebug-with-a-wiki-example/	[11:01]
sylvieg	Floh1111: no - so far I know (every such action is related to an access to a certain page....)	[11:02]
Floh1111	okay thank you :)	[11:03]
caralluna	thanks chibaguy :-)	[11:04]
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Floh1111	sylvieg: I doesnt get the Files plugin work right for me. I made a Wikipage and inserted the Plugincode into it and now i get a detailed list of the folders at this page. But i just need a tree view of the folders like in the picture (http://floh1111.de/dev/tikiwiki/screenshots/objectpermissions_1.jpg) at the left side.. can you help me again?	[11:34]
sylvieg	ah the explorer part....	[11:35]
Floh1111	yes...	[11:35]
sylvieg	suppose it is easy to pick the part of this code and to add the the plugin	[11:35]
Floh1111	shall I trie to add a new parameter to the plugin like "treeview y/n" wich makes it possible to get the treeview instead of the detailed view?	[11:37]
sylvieg	you can pick up the code related to expanded in tiki-list_file_gallery.php and and add a call the the tpl templates/file_galleries.tpl in the plugins tpl all the code is here ... just to copy it around...	[11:42]
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Floh1111	mhh where can i find the files related to the plugin?	[11:50]
sylvieg	lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_files.php templates/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_files.tpl or somethinl like that bbl	[11:51]
Floh1111	I found it just at the moment you wrote it :D okay i´ll try this now :) thank you	[11:52]
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ricks99	ping chibaguy	[12:08]
chibaguy	hi rick. ricks99	[12:17]
ricks99	hi gary. have a feb12 theme q 4 u: how can i make the left column 100% tall (for example, when the center column is much longer than the side column?)	[12:18]
chibaguy	Do you mean to have a graphic background or borders or something, when the left column content is shorter than the center column?	[12:19]
ricks99	i just want the fill color in the entire column times like this, i miss tables for example, http://themes.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php and switch to feb12	[12:20]
chibaguy	right, because there's no unhacky way to do that with divs.	[12:20]
ricks99	i want to have the blue fill the entire left column (down to the footer)	[12:21]
chibaguy	It may be possible to use a background image in a div that contains the left column div. luci did this for tikinewt, for a 1px border, but it wasn't 100% effective... ...as it could be seen above and below the middle section, or something like that.	[12:23]
ricks99	:(	[12:23]
chibaguy	There are extreme css methods to make full-height columns, but I'm not sure how well they work. Apparently not too well or we'd see more of them. The simple answer is use a table.	[12:23]
ricks99	bummer	[12:25]
chibaguy	yep, css is lacking in that way. In TheNews also, it'd be best to have the vertical border lines go all the way down, but no easy way to do it with divs.	[12:25]
ricks99	maybe just me, but i don't like how the center column "floats" with short left & right cols	[12:27]
chibaguy	Personally, I don't think using a table to get the design you want is really so evil.	[12:27]
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ricks99	at least TheNews has boxes/borders to define each text area i just hate to hackup ur beautiful themes ;-)	[12:27]
chibaguy	well, do what you need to do. ;-)	[12:29]
ChadDa3mon	Anyone figured out how to use/configure alerts in 3.X? I can't find anything that mentions them	[12:31]
chibaguy	Does http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Alert have any info?	[12:32]
ChadDa3mon	not much	[12:32]
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ChadDa3mon	tells me "alert: push an alert about a change that is being made now " that was the page I looked at before asking here	[12:33]
chibaguy	hmmm	[12:34]
ChadDa3mon	I thought maybe it would show up somewhere during an edit, but no luck there either	[12:34]
ricks99	do u mean "group" alert (http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Group+Alert)	[12:36]
ChadDa3mon	could be the same, not sure but that link is broken	[12:36]
ricks99	hm.. not sure then, sorry	[12:38]
ChadDa3mon	np, I appreciate the effort just glad to see I'm not the only one confused....it's always better when someone else is stumped as well	[12:39]
ricks99	it is new in 3.0, so no docs yet i guess	[12:40]
ChadDa3mon	yea, I'd be happy to update that page, just can't figure it out for myself	[12:42]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r18153 10/branches/3.0/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js: [MOD] Removing commented (non-functioning) code	[12:43]
Floh1111	sylvieg: I dont think that the files plugin is for the purpose i need it... i need title style and backgroundstyle exactly like in the other modules to display it in the left/right menu. The files plugin is more for displaying galleries in the middle box or in a wikiarticle I think I´m going to try it again with the module I wrote ;)	[12:44]
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CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r18155 10/branches/3.0/ (13 files in 4 dirs): [FIX] Update to JQuery Cluetips plugin (0.9.9) tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r18154 10/branches/3.0/styles/ (layout/ layout/index.php layout/layout.css tikinewt.css): tikiwiki: [NEW] styles/layout/layout.css can be imported by theme a theme stylesheet to tikiwiki: provide layout CSS and some default colors, etc. tikinewt.css (with some styling tikiwiki: tweaks) is trimmed down and modifed to import layout.css. Other branch 3 themes tikiwiki: aren't affected. tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r18156 10/branches/3.0/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js: [FIX] Tooltips (.tips) fix for tips with no title and .tikihelp links	[13:00]
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spoony78	polom :)	[13:11]
chibaguy	heh, what's 300K more or less in a 75MB package? ;-)	[13:16]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18158 10/branches/3.0/ (lib/userslib.php templates/tiki-adminusers.tpl): [FIX] admin users: fix WYSIWYCA for 'user information' icon, that should not be displayed when you don't have the rights to see it	[13:17]
spoony78	Hmm I've enabled to make user information on an account but the account name still isnt "clickable" when you see it at the bottom of wiki pages.. am I missing something? ahh clear cache duh	[13:19]
ricks99	is there a reason why feature_search is not enabled on new 3.x install (using default profile)?	[13:25]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	You can get a more complete list of commands that work with this bot at http://tikiwiki.org/TikiBot .	[14:34]
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marclaporte	ricks99: some sites don't need it ricks99: : you are welcome to add to any & all profile that you feel should have it	[14:39]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03pingus * r18159 10/mods/trunk/Packages/features-aulawiki.info.txt: Ready for 3.0, see http://dev.tikiwiki.org/bug2297	[14:43]
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sacra	hi all	[14:44]
spoony78	Hmm Okay.. why when I categorise a page only admin can see it after that? hi sacra I've given permission to anonymous for view categorised, search categorised, and view categories	[14:44]
sacra	did anyone in the core dev team ever look at http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=1990&trackerId=5&show=view	[14:45]
spoony78	Can see that theres items in the categories, but cant see them and get permission denied when trying to view them	[14:46]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03pingus * r18160 10/mods/trunk/Packages/features-aulawiki.info.txt: Added "works on tw 3.0" in changelog	[14:49]
ChadDa3mon	Spoony, what version are you using?	[14:50]
spoony78	3.0b4 although im running my theme from branch	[14:50]
ChadDa3mon	Yea, it's taken me a bit to get used to groups permissions + category permissions you have to look at the permissions for the category you assigned	[14:52]
spoony78	ahh i think Ive spotted it now that youve said that	[14:53]
ChadDa3mon	...maybe :) looking at my setup now	[14:53]
sacra	I think there's a clear error in the logic in lib/userslib.php, function validate_user since a long time	[14:54]
spoony78	well in the categories admin only "views categories" is assigned to anonymous.. but not "view categorised".. problem is you can only assign view categories, or admin categories from that page. only two permissions are available to assign	[14:54]
ChadDa3mon	one sec there should be 5 options under Category permissions I've got tiki_p_view_categorized assigned to my default group	[14:55]
spoony78	only showing two options in tiki-categpermissions.php?categId=1	[14:56]
ChadDa3mon	You go to tiki-admin_categories.php first and click on the "key" icon right?	[14:56]
spoony78	are you running b4?	[14:56]
ChadDa3mon	yea	[14:56]
spoony78	yeah thats where i goto hmm.	[14:57]
ChadDa3mon	then yea, at the bottom under "Assign Permissions" you should have a dropdown with 5 options I htink the 2.X code only had 2 options	[14:58]
spoony78	mine only has 2 options..	[14:58]
ChadDa3mon	I got nothing then are you logged in as admin?	[14:58]
spoony78	this is a b3 install.. upgraded to b4. im logged in as a user in the admin group.. might try logging in as admin itself same. hmm. ill try changing themes. same.	[14:58]
ChadDa3mon	Yea, I got nothing really sounds like you're on 2.X	[15:00]
spoony78	yeah its definitely 3.0b4, ive got a 2.x install in another directory.. very much separated.	[15:02]
sacra	in 2.x there are 4 options in that drop-down list	[15:03]
ChadDa3mon	sorry, wish I could help more	[15:03]
spoony78	hmm.	[15:03]
ChadDa3mon	I've got 5	[15:03]
sacra	view_categorized, view_categories, edit_categorized and admin_categories	[15:03]
spoony78	thanks for trying :)	[15:03]
ChadDa3mon	and tiki_p_view_categorized is assigned for This category and all its childre	[15:04]
spoony78	yeah ive only got the view and admin categories.	[15:04]
ChadDa3mon	did you change permissions to the admin group or anything?	[15:04]
spoony78	dont think so. The my user in the admin group can see all the categories and things in it as youd expect.	[15:05]
Caarrie	spoony78: did you clear your cache?	[15:05]
spoony78	I have cleared it a few times for other reasons tonight.. but havent cleared it since turning on categories. will try that quickly.	[15:08]
caralluna\|afk	I just found an old installation of TW I had forgotten all about ... it's version 1.10b1 ... would I be able to upgrade that directlyto 3.0 or should I go through "sub-upgrades"?	[15:08]
spoony78	clearing the cache fixed it :)	[15:09]
ChadDa3mon	oh nice	[15:09]
spoony78	thanks :)	[15:09]
Caarrie	yw	[15:09]
spoony78	So basically I should clear the cache after changing any options on any admin page everytime really :) (just kidding).	[15:09]
ChadDa3mon	maybe I should try that for my staging/approving problems	[15:10]
spoony78	the first thing tikibot should say when you type !help is "Did you clear your cache?" :)	[15:12]
Caarrie	hehe	[15:12]
spoony78	caralluna: personally I would go through the upgrade paths.. through 2.x etc then 3.x even start early than 2.x but thats just my unsubstantiated uneducated err on the side of caution guess.	[15:13]
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caralluna\|afk	spoony78: Yeah, I think so too ... what was the last 1.x release anyway?	[15:18]
spoony78	hmm bit confusing actually see http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Upgrade+1.9.x+to+2.x&bl=y	[15:21]
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spoony78	"Please note that everywhere where it says version 1.10 in the screenshots, you have to read it as if it said the current branch 2.0 (1.10 was renamed in July 2008 as 2.0)" predates my history with tw.	[15:22]
caralluna\|afk	I seem to remember there was a version called Sirius ... was it 1.9.7 maybe ...?	[15:23]
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ChadDa3mon	Anyone ever use the Stage/Approve wiki feature? I'm starting to think it won't work for what I want	[15:28]
spoony78	havent used it.. is it not working as youd expect?	[15:31]
ChadDa3mon	no the permission system for who can approve what seems based on categories when you 'approve' a page, it gets assigned to the "approved" category	[15:31]
spoony78	ah.	[15:32]
ChadDa3mon	from what I can tell....whoever can edit the approved category can approve changes so once a page is approved, only a select few can update it which makes no sense, so I must be missing something	[15:32]
spoony78	it may be more meant for approving pages that will be a "public front".. and they dont want the people to edit them directly etc.. but submit pages for approval to be put up. problem is unless it leafs a copy elsewhere then it makes it hard to submit an updated copy for approval in that scenario too.	[15:34]
ChadDa3mon	yea your 'staging' users can't update approved pages	[15:35]
spoony78	leafs=leaves (must be tired) out of curiosity.. why have staging/approval though if the user can edit the page afterwards anyway?	[15:35]
caralluna	ChadDa3mon: Just a thought off the top of my head ... could a tracker help here?	[15:36]
ChadDa3mon	I want my users to be able to edit pages just want a select group of people to approve them before they go live	[15:37]
spoony78	we have systems at work that have mandatory approval on document areas.. and everytime you edit it those edits/versions need to be reapproved.	[15:37]
ChadDa3mon	never used trackers...but this is one of the core things I'd like in my wiki	[15:37]
spoony78	chad: but do you want to allow the people that created them to later on edit them as well?	[15:38]
ChadDa3mon	yes and those subsequent edits should get approved	[15:38]
spoony78	so whats to stop them from just going in and editing directly afterwards and messing things up? ahh	[15:38]
ChadDa3mon	I'd like it so any time a page is edited by anyone, it has to get approved	[15:38]
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spoony78	yeah i getchya now.. thats the way I'd expect it to work..	[15:40]
ChadDa3mon	I want a wiki so anyone can edit things and fix a problem, but I'd also like a review process in place for those who choose to contribute	[15:40]
caralluna	ChadDa3mon: I'm not sure that a tracker would help, I haven't got much experience with it myself ... but I have learned that trackers are incredibly powerful	[15:42]
ChadDa3mon	yea, I like Tikwiki a lot, but the way they do categories isn't quite what I want, and the stage/approve process makes no sense to me I know somewhere I heard they were working on a more tradional "workspace" instead of categories	[15:43]
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CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18161 10/branches/3.0/ (5 files in 4 dirs): [FIX] calendars: calendars were all hidden by default for new users, which had to guess this and choose the calendars to display. Adding a pref, set by default, to address this.	[15:57]
caralluna	sorry about that empty message, my cat says hi ;-)	[15:58]
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sylvieg	Do we have a toc module?	[17:11]
	find it	[17:18]
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luminoso	omg b4 have 8560 files lol	[17:31]
caralluna	Lets go for 10000 for 4.0! :-)	[17:31]
luminoso	any tips how to upgrade from b3 to b4?	[17:33]
caralluna	run the installer?	[17:33]
luminoso	i need to unpack it do i unpack overwritting all files?	[17:33]
caralluna	I think so and then you probably need to upgrade the database using the installer	[17:34]
luminoso	hum	[17:34]
caralluna	backup first anyway	[17:34]
luminoso	nice i'm new at this	[17:34]
caralluna	both the files and database	[17:34]
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caralluna	on the server, are you using windows or *NIX? or something else?	[17:37]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18162 10/trunk/ (132 files in 60 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/3.0 18074 to 18161	[17:37]
luminoso	caralluna, linux, cpanel	[17:44]
caralluna	no idea about cpanel other than I known what it is ... I've never had any problems upgrading, but I would make a backup first if you have some kind of GUI for database access that would probably be easiest maybe there is one in cpanel	[17:45]
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luminoso	rsrsr the file uploading problem continues there is any bugzilla ?	[17:56]
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caralluna	like this? http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker.php?trackerId=5	[18:11]
luminoso	yep are u a developer?	[18:13]
caralluna	Not anywhere near it unfortunately ;-) Gonna try som translations and maybe in time themecoding if I can get the hang of it	[18:13]
luminoso	humm nice	[18:15]
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caralluna	just gonna backup a few things here and I'm gonna sit me down and see if I can make any sense of the themecoding stuff :-)	[18:19]
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luminoso	caralluna, i'm using strasa theme and i like it for personal use only image galleries, some articles, file galleries, etc..	[18:27]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03rlopezs * r18163 10/branches/3.0/lang/es/language.php: [ENH] Spanish translation of Tiki installer - Step 1	[18:30]
caralluna	must admit I don't use the image galleries for much other that testing ... I am a hobby photographer, and I want my gallery to display EXIF data ... as long as it doesn't I'm not using it	[18:30]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03rlopezs * r18164 10/branches/3.0/lang/es/language.php: [ENH] Spanish translation of Tiki installer - Step 2	[18:39]
SEWilco2	caralluna: I've got some EXIF code but can't remember how much I submitted. Need to add a little more to keep it in resized images.	[18:39]
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caralluna	As I understand the galleries are under reworking?	[18:40]
SEWilco2	caralluna: There is a push for filegals to replace imagegals.	[18:40]
caralluna	would be very nice if that code made it into there :-)	[18:40]
SEWilco2	caralluna: And I think uploaded images do have EXIF data, but it's only available through fullsize downloads. caralluna: I'll be submitting our EXIF code before long.	[18:41]
caralluna	ah ... the point for me is that they must be viewable onlie online	[18:41]
SEWilco2	caralluna: We just put our thumbnail addition to filegals up yesterday on http://www.theredbulls.org/file61 (the pretty look is due to CSS mods)	[18:43]
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SEWilco2	caralluna: Our first EXIF code generated imagegal descriptions from EXIF if no description was supplied, so some of the info was available. caralluna: And /file61 descriptions look like they're from EXIF, but that filegal was generated from our imagegal-to-filegal converter so I don't remember whether we modified filegals to read EXIF yet. A more entertaining example of thumbnail is http://www.theredbulls.org/file3 because they're audio files, so the thumbnail is generated as an audio player. :-)	[18:45]
luminoso	file upload have really serius problems uploads that never finish	[18:52]
sylvieg	luminoso: sorry I did not look all the thread.depending on version - were some lost errors whan ajax is on switch off ajax and errors may be seen	[18:53]
luminoso	ok i already switched from files to database to directory	[18:53]
luciash	polomevening	[18:54]
luminoso	testing...	[18:55]
caralluna	SEWilco2: Can't say I can see anything resembling EXIF data ...?	[18:55]
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SEWilco2	caralluna: The description came from EXIF within the images (description and author info). As I said, I don't remember if filegals supports EXIF yet.	[19:03]
caralluna	ok ... what I need is the technical info about settings from the camera (like shutter speed, aperture and so on)	[19:05]
SEWilco2	caralluna: And I see http://www.theredbulls.org/dl291 (6MB) does have EXIF data, so it did survive the upload. Don't know if FTP or HTTP was used to upload it. caralluna: Well, we'll be tinkering with EXIF more in the coming month. Some other magic has priority.	[19:08]
caralluna	good one;-) I have another gallery which works for me @ the moment ;-)	[19:09]
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luminoso	sylvieg, should i see any difference on GUI when i upload with ajax off?	[19:52]
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mib_69ssbd	hi - I'm having issues with tikiwiki sessions + PHP basically, a ton of sess_ files are being written to c:windowstemp (which is my session path) and they're not getting deleted I looked inside, and they're tikiwiki related *looked inside a couple of them is there something I can do on the tikiwiki side? Is it not handling cleanup correctly or is it a server issue? my max_execution time and other session settings in my php.ini are default it should at most last 24 mins (1660s I believe)	[20:05]
caralluna	any changes been done on how to add pictures in blog posts lately or is it a wrong setting on my side? Suddenly I get a menu for filling out link address and so forth ... and when I try to add them it blanks the wole blog post	[20:07]
mib_69ssbd	but some of these files are almost a year old!	[20:08]
caralluna	caralluna would like back when it just put out a text string wysiwyg editor is disabled	[20:08]
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CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18165 10/branches/3.0/tiki-calendar_setup.php: [FIX]calendar: for an url tiki-calendar.php?viewlist=list&viewmode=month it is stupid to show only the events after the focus date	[21:08]
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caralluna	Seems to me that Wiki pages are multilingual, but not blogs?	[21:35]
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CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03rlopezs * r18166 10/branches/3.0/lang/es/language.php: [ENH] Spanish translation of Tiki installer - Step 3 tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18167 10/branches/3.0/tiki-calendar_setup.php: sorry rollback 18165 - a month view is a view of a month time from the focus date	[21:41]
luminoso	how can i include one page inside other? {page-name} dont work doc.tw.o dont have this listed	[21:53]
SEWilco2	luminoso: Try PluginInclude	[22:04]
luminoso	ty	[22:06]
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masterofcomputer	Im trying to add this http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex6/lcdclock.htm clock to the tikiwiki side bar but its not working! any ideas?	[22:16]
caralluna	I thnk you need to enclose it in { } and also there is some security setting you need to change	[22:17]
masterofcomputer	let me try	[22:17]
caralluna	and it needs to be wiki parsed as well iirc tiki-admin.php?page=general remove "smarty security"	[22:18]
CIA-46	tikiwiki: 03rlopezs * r18168 10/branches/3.0/lang/es/language.php: [ENH] Spanish translation of Tiki installer - Step 4	[22:23]
masterofcomputer	still not working how do i add the info to the style sheet? i know the edit css but what part do i add?	[22:27]
caralluna	Sorry, this is all I know about it. I tried myself to insert code and I thiink I told you now what I was told then. It sorta worked for me, but I didn't get it to work as I wanted, so I gave up. I am no coder myself, I only have veeery limited knowledge about it	[22:29]
masterofcomputer	thx	[22:31]
caralluna	np :-)	[22:40]
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