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| btiffin | How many people run tw with PostgreSQL ? I'm forcing myself to learn the ins and outs of pqSQL, so I dumped MySQL and then failed to get the beta 3 (or 2.4) to install. A fetchrow problem in ...libinstal.php (no deets, at home now) | [00:00] |
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| franck | not many people that's for sure
btiffin: support is lacking greatly we need volunteers to support the PG port | [00:07] |
| btiffin | Is it worth bashing one's way through? We use postgreSQL at work, so I want to move off MySQL. at home too. | [00:09] |
| franck | we had a talk last year about should we drop the DB abstraction and support only mysql? | [00:10] |
| sm-- | pg port? | [00:11] |
| franck | but I don't think it went further, so as long there are people to work the code, tw could support several dbs
sm--: not a pg port, but you need to adapt the install and upgrade sql scripts and test that all the queries are working with mysql and pg so btiffin if you are up to it... get tw working with pg | [00:11] |
| btiffin | Hmm, adapting scripts eh? I still count myself a green Tiki, and I've been admin-ing a site for a year now. Hmm. Not complaining, but such a feature rich system just takes time to gain a smallish level of expertise.
franck, I think I might be stubborn enough. I have reason to "get with the pg" | [00:13] |
| franck | indeed | [00:14] |
| sylvieg | we need volunteers.... | [00:14] |
| btiffin | And honestly, I don't get good vibes at what Oracle may do to MySQL advocates. I can't see promoting it being in their self interest | [00:15] |
| franck | well, you do not need to fix much the code, all queries should use the DB abstraction layer, but some sql syntax do not work with PG too
btiffin: mysql has just forked | [00:15] |
| btiffin | sylvieg, I'm tryin' ;) But I'll admit, there is an overwhelming (yet easy in each instance) number of instances of feature code to read through :) | [00:16] |
| franck | btiffin: another reason I found out against mysql, whihc I would hope pg has working, a re-indexing or adding an index to a table may lock the table for hours, till the indexing is finished | [00:16] |
| sylvieg | so do not complain - if you want it - do it - you are a welcome contributor | [00:17] |
| franck | btiffin: you could start by checking the sql script for install in the db/ directory, make sure it is PG compatible
sylvieg: let him have a hitch first... ;) we will push him to scratch it | [00:17] |
| sylvieg | :-) | [00:19] |
| btiffin | yep agree franck ... it's hard to attack problems with "good intentions", need the itch and sense of discomfort first. | [00:19] |
| franck | btiffin: I would work feature by feature, get the wiki to work with PG
but first get it to install ;) that will give you some good base, and there is not too much code behind the install | [00:20] |
| btiffin | Sounds like a plan. I came in wondering if it was something simple on my end. If it requires a code scan and maybe a debug pass, I'm ok with that *well, I'm ok with pretending I can figure it out* :) | [00:25] |
| sylvieg | opensource is not free software fitting your need - open source is a way to be able to participate when it does not fit your need | [00:27] |
| btiffin | sylvieg, good one. We got into TikiWiki (well, I did) to support OpenCOBOL. So Tiki PHP coding is secondary to that end, but yeah ... nice quotable.
And on a MySQL fork ... YoreSQL? :) | [00:36] |
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| Tikiwiki|bot | New Forum Posts: How to upgrade from 3.0b1 to 3.0b3 etc - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=32789 | [01:59] |
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| btiffin | ls
oops sorry, wrong focus. | [02:12] |
| Tikiwiki|bot | New Forum Posts: Need help/guidance setting up InterTiki / MultiTiki - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=32790 | [02:19] |
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| TikiFestUK | good morning/afternoon/evening from the TikiFestUK | [08:31] |
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| xavi | Good morning tikifesters in uk! :-)
nice house!!! | [08:40] |
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| TikiFestUK | hi
how is Barcelona today | [08:45] |
| xavi | nice and sunny! :-)
how are you, TikiFestUK? | [08:45] |
| TikiFestUK | it started raining here in LOndon :( | [08:45] |
| xavi | oups...
however, for your clothing, you seem to be in a very warm house... (warm= temperature and social enviroment ;-) ) | [08:45] |
| TikiFestUK | so no one is going to want to go sightseeing so more timeto talk about tiki! | [08:46] |
| xavi | god point
good point, I meant | [08:46] |
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| xavi | ah, my goodness, I thought that the guy with the black tw-t-shit was amette, but it's not, it's his bro', luci! :-)
hi there luci | [08:49] |
| luci | hey xavi ! :D | [08:53] |
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| nyloth | Hi all :) | [08:53] |
| xavi | hi ;-)
hi nyloth, are you in uk also? | [08:53] |
| pkdille | hi nyloth ! | [08:54] |
| nyloth | xavi: yes
hi pkdille, how r u ? | [08:54] |
| luci | yup, he sits next to me ;) | [08:54] |
| xavi | mmmm, the one with the white long sleeved shirt in the corner? | [08:54] |
| pkdille | fine .... | [08:54] |
| xavi | ah, ok :-) | [08:54] |
| nyloth | :) | [08:54] |
| xavi | I'll do my best to follow from time to time during the weekend, but won't be able to work much on tw things this time
xavi has plenty of things to assess and grade from his students... | [08:55] |
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| luci | luci got trouble connecting to his home server irssi session that's why luci via mibbit here | [08:56] |
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| xavi | for those interested in following tikifestuk and irc, I've added the mibbit box next to the ustream.tv channel here:
http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestUK#Live as luci did in Madrid :-) | [09:08] |
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| CIA-46 | tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r18210 10/branches/3.0/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX] Duplicate pages when multiple categories are searched | [09:10] |
| xavi | this is a trial (to see how translation features of mibbit works) | [09:11] |
| xavi_mibbit | ouau, impressive! | [09:11] |
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| xavi_mibbit | LUCI, doufám, že se vám vaše káva (nebo čaj, nebo co pít jste právě teď) :-) | [09:14] |
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| CIA-46 | tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r18212 10/branches/3.0/lib/profilelib/installlib.php: [FIX] Typo caused default values to be wrong | [09:26] |
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| TikiFestUK | if you want to join in you can skype matthew
Is the sound on ustream working? | [09:49] |
| chibaguy | TikiFestUK, ustream says "Broadcast not yet started" | [09:51] |
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| jonnyb | ahoy! | [09:53] |
| xavi | TikiFestUK: sound is a bit low. It's not possible to follow conversation
hi jonny-jquery-b! | [09:53] |
| jonnyb | :)
MB is clicking things - it might get louder... But some people are very quiet | [09:54] |
| xavi | chibaguy: It's streaming fine to me... | [09:54] |
| TikiFestUK | is it better | [09:54] |
| xavi | ok, from time to time, jonnyb, sound gets louder | [09:55] |
| chibaguy | hmm | [09:55] |
| xavi | however, I'm not able to reproduce anything from your conversations (if any)
chibaguy: http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestUK#Live | [09:55] |
| chibaguy | http://www.ustream.tv/channel/tikifests ? | [09:55] |
| xavi | I don't know which real channel they are using. whatever they chose, they set it up fine in that tw.o page | [09:56] |
| TikiFestUK | try http://www.ustream.tv/broadcaster/513486 | [09:56] |
| xavi | anyway, yes, I would suggest that we always use the same tikifests channel on ustream.tv, so that it's easier to find video logs later on in a central place
^TikiFestUK | [09:56] |
| chibaguy | heh, now I'm getting audio but video still says "off air" | [09:57] |
| xavi | jonnyb and TikiFestUK , sound is much better now: I could even follow some of the conversation
and specailly, the laughing and coughing, of course :-) | [09:57] |
| TikiFestUK | I will move the microphone again | [09:58] |
| chibaguy | ah, now it's streaming here. :-)
is it possible to tilt camera down a bit? (getting lots of ceiling and not so much of people) | [09:58] |
| TikiFestUK | i have put the mic at 100 now so should be better | [09:59] |
| xavi | oh well, nice ceiling, though! :-)
TikiFestUK: sound if fine now, thanks | [09:59] |
| TikiFestUK | :) sorry I am re-learning how to use windows vista!!! | [10:03] |
| xavi | s/if/is
xavi is still re-learning how to type correct English with the computer keyboard | [10:04] |
| jonnyb | I think the viewers at home need to see Luci's trousers | [10:07] |
| chibaguy | hi luci and everybody! :-) | [10:07] |
| xavi_mibbit | ?
we want to see those trousers! I?l try to request in czeck, to see if we are luckier... :-) | [10:07] |
| chibaguy | Can the camera be tilted downward a little? | [10:09] |
| xavi_mibbit | chceme vidět ty kalhoty, LUCI! :-) | [10:09] |
| chibaguy | :-) | [10:09] |
| xavi_mibbit | yeah! ;-) | [10:10] |
| chibaguy | chibaguy whistles | [10:10] |
| xavi_mibbit | thanks :-D | [10:10] |
| luci | LOL | [10:10] |
| xavi_mibbit | luci, was that good czeck?
i'm kind of impressed of the translation capabilites of mibbit | [10:10] |
| luci | sorry, i wasn't following what are you asking for guys when i was talking ;) | [10:10] |
| chibaguy | that's better | [10:11] |
| luci | amazin google czech xavi ;) | [10:11] |
| xavi_mibbit | thanks matt, we lost lph, but it's a better overview of all of you, in fact
:-) | [10:11] |
| luci | ahh, it's in mibbit , great | [10:12] |
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| luci | xavi: hola Xavi, com està vostè? :) | [10:19] |
| xavi_mibbit | :-) Skvělý katalánština, ve skutečnosti!
xavi_mibbit feels like in matrix, after loading the Czeck language program! oups, btw, voice is gone off air | [10:20] |
| chibaguy | They are switching laptops or something?
For the streaming? | [10:23] |
| xavi | no idea | [10:25] |
| chibaguy | Matt said something about the wire to his laptop having a problem (audio problem?), I think. And then they stood up to do some hardware change.
(I think.) | [10:27] |
| Ah, streaming again.
I wish the audio was just 10% better..... | [10:35] | |
| xavi | ok, bbl (in some hours) | [10:36] |
| chibaguy | cya xavi | [10:37] |
| xavi | c u :-) (exchange market time! http://intercanvis.net ) | [10:38] |
| chibaguy | The audio seems to ebb and flow in a strange underwater way...
The discussion sounds like something I might have ideas/opinions about. But I can't quite catch what people are saying. :-( | [10:38] |
| pkdille | gary ?
you don't understand ? | [10:47] |
| chibaguy | Yes, the audio quality fluctuates a lot.
(yes, I don't understand, I mean, due to not-good audio quality.) hi, I hear Matt well, but people at the other end of the table are difficult to understand. "too much css" is a problem that also is created by _relying_ on css for layout, such as in the new forums layout. The old forum tpl was heavy on table structure, and this was simplified by using css more, but this also increases the number of css selectors. So it's hard to reduce the size of css files if we also want to use css more for what was formerly done with html tags. One answer (already in progress) is unifying selectors across features, getting rid of feature-specific classes, etc. | [10:47] |
| luci | chibaguy: these are good points but it is mainly caused by improper introducing of new classes
in tpls | [10:56] |
| chibaguy | True | [10:57] |
| luci | having a class on table or wrapper which holds it should be enough and if necessary put them only on tr or td when necessary to differentiate | [10:58] |
| chibaguy | right | [10:58] |
| luci | i am pretty sure the number of classes could be reduced if cascading is used more | [10:58] |
| chibaguy | And, similarly, links in tds.... | [10:58] |
| chibaguy will be away for a short time but will keep stream going so dog doesn't get lonely.... | [11:11] | |
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| jonnyb | hi rober | [11:20] |
| rlopez_ | hi
we are watching you now wating for aldo and ben they will bring the presentation | [11:20] |
| jonnyb | super | [11:21] |
| rlopez_ | but first we need to eat
;-) you know free food = tapas | [11:21] |
| jonnyb | :) | [11:21] |
| rlopez_ | i'm in skype
but i can find matbic can't sorry | [11:21] |
| jonnyb | no probs | [11:22] |
| rlopez_ | ok
now i can :-) contact added and working we will come back later see you then | [11:22] |
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| sylvieg | is tikifest on line? | [11:37] |
| jonnyb | hi sylvie - we should be streaming | [11:38] |
| sylvieg | it is off air for me..
but I have only one hour before leaving... | [11:38] |
| jonnyb | http://www.ustream.tv/channel/tikifests | [11:38] |
| sylvieg | yeh - bit off air for me.. | [11:39] |
| jonnyb | odd - seems ok for me here | [11:40] |
| nyloth | hi sylvieg | [11:42] |
| jonnyb | ok, we're doing quality team stuff now
can you hear us? how about skype? | [11:42] |
| sylvieg | no sound | [11:43] |
| pkdille | hi sylvie | [11:43] |
| jonnyb | the skype id is on http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestUK
(if you're logged in) | [11:43] |
| TikiFestUK | are you going to call in ? | [11:45] |
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| sylvieg | can not find the skype id... | [11:46] |
| TikiFestUK | it is ("mat" concat "bic")
[OFF} call me on matbic is that OK? | [11:47] |
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| TikiFestUK | sylvieg are you on skype | [11:55] |
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| sylvieg | yeh sylvi-g
sylvie-g | [12:02] |
| luci | sylvieg: it's maybe different channel, try this http://www.ustream.tv/flash/live/1/513486 | [12:02] |
| sylvieg | thx luci - this one works | [12:03] |
| luci | sylvieg: np, it's copy-paste from the wiki page, it's apparently not the one on http://www.ustream.tv/channel/tikifests | [12:04] |
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| TikiFestUK | look at http://www.ustream.tv/broadcaster/513486 | [12:05] |
| sylvieg | guys do without me - my son stole my micor | [12:07] |
| nyloth | ok, maybe later then | [12:07] |
| TikiFestUK | yest send me a message and we will talk then | [12:07] |
| rlopez__ | we addede here http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestUK the information to connect to the webmeeting room we host to share with all of you a presentation about workspaces integration in tiki
can you test it ? we have in the room just a test presentation later we will upload the good one | [12:09] |
| TikiFestUK | what is name of room | [12:10] |
| rlopez__ | rober.lopez
you will see one slide and our webcam we are streaming i guess ;-) you are in good we see you are writing mr london later we will use this dimdim room and a conference in skype | [12:10] |
| TikiFestUK | i am typing (matthew) sitting bellow camera | [12:13] |
| rlopez__ | see you at 3 pm | [12:13] |
| TikiFestUK | yes | [12:13] |
| rlopez__ | jajajaja
thanks for the stars see you we have to go tapas are waiting | [12:13] |
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| CIA-46 | tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r18213 10/branches/3.0/styles/coelesce.css: [FIX] Top padding for site title; site title properties and search form improvement for IE6. | [12:23] |
| sylvieg | I need to go - will probably be online back at 17:30 your time | [12:23] |
| nyloth | ok, see you | [12:25] |
| jonnyb | syvieg: super - we'll see you then (last thing before pub ;)) | [12:36] |
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| wikitikiinfo | hi guys !
i whant know how i can make an upgrade next week to version 3.0 i have now the version 1.11 ... very old.. is that easy to do? i dont whant loose ALL MY OLD THINGS.. somewhere awake here?? | [13:03] |
| chibaguy | hi wikitikiinfo | [13:05] |
| wikitikiinfo | hi ! | [13:06] |
| chibaguy | You shouldn't lose any of your old things doing the upgrade.
I'm not sure of the exact upgrade path though. | [13:06] |
| wikitikiinfo | thats sounds good
i make for now many groups and other things.. | [13:06] |
| chibaguy | Basically you need to copy the new files on top of your current installation....
so new versions of files replace the old ones. | [13:07] |
| wikitikiinfo | ok | [13:07] |
| chibaguy | Then go to tiki-install.php and follow the steps for upgrading the site. | [13:08] |
| wikitikiinfo | and when i make my upgrade from the database, the installer make it , or? | [13:08] |
| chibaguy | (this will update the database, but won't touch your data.) | [13:08] |
| wikitikiinfo | ok, that sounds very nice | [13:08] |
| chibaguy | But to be safe, you should back up your database. | [13:08] |
| wikitikiinfo | ok, only that? | [13:08] |
| chibaguy | Do you have phpMyAdmin at your site? | [13:08] |
| wikitikiinfo | yes
i make every day a backup.. | [13:08] |
| chibaguy | ah, ok. | [13:09] |
| wikitikiinfo | but only from the sql file | [13:09] |
| chibaguy | Have you made any custom theme files, etc.? | [13:09] |
| wikitikiinfo | i use a custom, but not make on myself | [13:09] |
| chibaguy | Any custome .tpl files you should have local copies of.
what theme is it? | [13:10] |
| wikitikiinfo | uff... i dont know
i use it for the first time, and then forget | [13:10] |
| chibaguy | ok. Some themes from 1.10 days may not be compatible with Tiki 3. | [13:11] |
| wikitikiinfo | when i have custom links , i loose that? | [13:11] |
| chibaguy | They are stored in the database, so should be safe. | [13:11] |
| wikitikiinfo | thats good ! | [13:12] |
| chibaguy | But it's good to do a full database dump, to be safe. | [13:12] |
| wikitikiinfo | ok , thaks.. i think i will save all files and the database, and the i will make an upgrade
maybe all works and is ready to start maybe i must come back to this chat.. | [13:12] |
| chibaguy | ok. But currently we're at 3.0 beta4. Is that the version you want to upgrade to? | [13:14] |
| wikitikiinfo | but all things sound?s that the guys make a good database and the upgrade itself goes secure. ( i hope...)
no not to the beta next week comes the 3.0 , or? | [13:14] |
| chibaguy | ah, maybe you should wait a few weeks for 3.0 official release.
The time isn't certain yet. | [13:14] |
| nyloth | chibaguy: hi, I was speaking about next tikifest in Chiba, Japan... is it still possible for you ? | [13:15] |
| chibaguy | nyloth, I hope so, but my personal situation isn't clear yet. | [13:16] |
| wikitikiinfo | today i watch on http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Tikiwiki+3.0 and see see wished release termin. so i want make that upgrade.. im now far away with 1.11 .. | [13:16] |
| chibaguy | I'm trying to change to a long-term visa, to stabilize my situation here. | [13:16] |
| nyloth | chibaguy: ok, I hope you'll get one | [13:16] |
| chibaguy | thanks. | [13:17] |
| wikitikiinfo | guys i with you the best here, i have my information. thanks for tell me that ... by!
maybe i come back soon ... (.; | [13:17] |
| chibaguy | ok, wikitikiinfo, come back if you have more questions.
(I hope you can find help here. ;-) ) | [13:18] |
| wikitikiinfo | thanks, by Chibaguy and the others..
i hope also... | [13:18] |
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tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18215 10/branches/3.0/lib/profilelib/installlib.php: [FIX] installlib: add a test to check the result of the first db query of the installer, since some databases returns an error and this causes the installer to die. tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18216 10/branches/3.0/tiki-admin_html_page_content.php: [FIX] admin html pages: missing auto_query_args | [13:38] |
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| CIA-46 | tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18218 10/branches/3.0/ (8 files in 3 dirs): [FIX] action calendar: display actions names and popup info again + fix links and remove 'today'/'day' buttons which uses templates that are not ready for action calendar. | [14:34] |
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| xavi_mibbit | back | [14:59] |
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| luci | wb xavi | [15:11] |
| xavi_mibbit | hi luci
did I miss the presentation from rober (workspaces)? | [15:13] |
| CIA-46 | tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r18219 10/branches/3.0/styles/thenews.css:
tikiwiki: [FIX] Relative-positioned .horbar (phplayers menu) was preventing #tiki-top tikiwiki: search from getting focus. Also, .horbaritem a top and bottom padding increased tikiwiki: to make menu taller than search, so menu bottom border no longer needed, and tikiwiki: menu item vertical borders go full height of #tiki-top. | [15:14] |
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| luci | xavi_mibbit: unfortunately yes | [15:33] |
| xavi | ok | [15:33] |
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| xavi | hi rlopez_ , did you leave the presentation somewhere? | [15:34] |
| rlopez_ | we are going to upload the presentation to the tikifest webpage
in a few minutes ;-) | [15:34] |
| luci | great :) | [15:35] |
| xavi | ah, ok, great! or even better, upload it to slideshare, and embed it at tikifestuk (ad dev.tw.o/workspaces, etc.)
at slideshare, you can tag it tikiwiki, and that's it, (I think) xavi is wondering if he himself created a tikiwiki account at slideshare | [15:35] |
| rlopez_ | actually doing this
wow so, do you have one account on slideshare? | [15:36] |
| xavi | in fact it should work with any personal account, you upload it to your account, while adding some freetags to it, where you add also tikiwiki tiki3 workspaces, whatever.... | [15:38] |
| rlopez_ | ok | [15:39] |
| xavi | in addition, I'm checking if I did create an account for tikiwiki
(I don't remember, trying nowadays) | [15:39] |
| rlopez_ | i will tag the presentation | [15:40] |
| xavi | ok. And it've just realized that I had not created a tikiwiki account there, so that I'm creating it right now, with the same username (tikiwiki) and password as all the other accounts I created for tikiwiki in other web 2.0 places | [15:41] |
| rlopez_ | so it's better if i send you the presentation | [15:42] |
| xavi | rlopez_: as you wish, you can upload to your own account, or to the general tikiwiki account I've just created | [15:42] |
| rlopez_ | can I email you? | [15:42] |
| xavi | no, no, hold on (separate screen) | [15:42] |
| rlopez_ | ok | [15:42] |
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| rlopez_ | we have it http://www.slideshare.net/tikiwiki/tikifest-uk-workspaces-integration | [15:49] |
| mlaporte | polom | [15:52] |
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| xavi | rlopez_: your presentation is successfully embedded at http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestUK#Presentation
through the flash plugin (not all the buttons from the slideshare box work, but the slides are shown and you can move forward and backwrd, etc.) | [16:14] |
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| luci | someone made CSS look of tabs in thenews worse than before ??? | [16:30] |
| xavi | luci, and by some misterious reason, homepage in doc.tw.o looks awful (custom css from ricks is shown wrong) | [16:33] |
| luci | yes, same awfulness on dev.tw.o | [16:33] |
| xavi | ok | [16:33] |
| luci | i think it's not the best solution these graphical boxes
the tabs do not look nice anymore in my thenews local copy there's extra line visible :-/ | [16:33] |
| well, maybe i am wrong, it is FF 2 in this linux distro | [16:44] | |
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| chibaguy | For the layout.css, I was trying to find "best practice" for things like tabs and rboxes, etc. People have worked on each and used slightly different ways. It would be good to settle on one css method for such things. | [16:50] |
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| |dthacker| | sooooo, what are the chances of pulling off a 1.9 to 3.0 beta4 upgrade :)? | [16:53] |
| orionrobots | Figure out your test cases first.. | [16:54] |
| |dthacker| | what fun would that be? :) | [16:54] |
| orionrobots | Have a "test server" somewhere - dont do it on your live box.
Depends what you use it for | [16:54] |
| chibaguy | For layout.css, it would be great if the theme designer could just indicate the border and background colors, everthing else would be (standardized) in layout.css. | [16:55] |
| orionrobots | I try to keep my uptime pretty tight - apart from announced outages. | [16:55] |
| chibaguy | About tabs, the cases of
Admin features and Look and Feel are different because one has lots of tabs that often wrap (both columns on and display smaller than 1200px). So when tabs' bottoms are even with tabcontent top, on a page that has few and non-wrapping tabs, it's great. But when there are more tabs and they wrap, then one row is 'floating' and not connected to the tab content. Luci and I discussed this in irc before. One idea I've tried is to give .tabcontent lots of top padding and give .tabs a negative bottom margin to pull them down into tabcontent. Then sometimes the tabs are down in the colored area of tabcontent... ...but at least they are never floating up above it, disconnected, which I think is worse. I added a second, lighter line, to give the "front" or "bottom" row of tabs some margin kind of line to sit on, even when down in tabcontent.... ... I don't know if this is the extra line luci talked about, though. Anyway, I'd be happy to see a good solution for all tab cases (few tabs not wrapping and lots of tabs wrapping) and all themes, for layout.css. chibaguy takes a breath.... ;-) | [16:55] |
| xavi_mibbit | 、 chibaguyお客様のリラックスした時間をお楽しみください！ :-) | [17:03] |
| xavi | xavi wonders whether that chunk of signs means anything to chibaguy
xavi is still playing/testing the translation capabilites of mibbit (just talking about it with mlaporte on skype) | [17:05] |
| sylvieg | back | [17:08] |
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| luci | hi sylvieg | [17:09] |
| |dthacker| | |dthacker| waves at the group | [17:10] |
| luci | luci waves back | [17:10] |
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| luci | sorry, sylvie, we're sorry we could not realize the talk with you... everyone is already kind of exhausted and will leave for a pub soon... jonny is putting everything we discussed on the Quality Team wiki page at dev.tw.o
>devtwo Quality Team | [17:12] |
| Sug4r` | http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Quality Team | [17:12] |
| luci | >devtwo Quality+Team | [17:12] |
| Sug4r` | http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Quality+Team | [17:12] |
| sylvieg | ok for this page content | [17:14] |
| luci | sylvieg: expect more to come ;)
jonny and nyloth still editing it :-p | [17:18] |
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| chibaguy | Tabs at dev.tw.o in TheNews seem ok to me in FF3. I don't notice an extra line. This theme doesn't use the method I mentioned of positioning tabs farther down into the tabcontent, so there's no extra, light line at tabs bottom for that. | [17:23] |
| marclaporte | I lost video stream. Normal? | [17:25] |
| sylvieg | me too | [17:26] |
| marclaporte | who added the mibbit module on tikiwiki.org? | [17:27] |
| luci | marclaporte: check the page history ?
marclaporte: hi from TikiFest UK btw ! chibaguy: must be FF2 problem only then | [17:28] |
| marclaporte | no, I mean right hand module | [17:29] |
| luci | marclaporte: ustreaming is off air already, we're finished for today :) | [17:30] |
| chibaguy | maybe so. | [17:30] |
| luci | chibaguy: not a big issue then | [17:30] |
| chibaguy | well, more important things for now.
have fun tonight at the pubs ;-). | [17:30] |
| luci | chibaguy: thanks ! | [17:31] |
| chibaguy | how was the opera? | [17:31] |
| luci | marclaporte: sorry, maybe it wos me some month ago already ?
chibaguy: fantastic, although nobody understood what was the point of the story :) marclaporte: matwho didn't like there are google ads so if you feel it to be an issue feel free to remove that module | [17:31] |
| chibaguy | heh, well, that's ok. :-) | [17:33] |
| luci | chibaguy: the technical side of the opera was great though, lot of live action taken on camcorders, live audio effects, live cut, very well synchronized :)
chibaguy: it was in "young vic" theather, the opera was called "after dido" if you're interested >g "young vic" | [17:34] |
| Sug4r` | Search took 0.143274 seconds: Young Vic Theatre: <http://www.youngvic.org/>; Young Vic > What's On > Production Details promo =: <http://www.youngvic.org/whats-on?action=details&id=2434>; Fountain of Life Bible Church: <http://www.flbconline.com/leaders.htm>; Young Vic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Vic>; Young Vic (British theatrical company) -- (2 more messages) | [17:36] |
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| marclaporte | I would prefer to have something to be a one-click entry to #tikiwiki. However, linux-quebec has been down for a while so I will hide that module | [17:39] |
| jonnyb | hi sylvieg - are still you there?
we have to go now but nyloth & i have started a page about the QT - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Quality+Team | [17:41] |
| marclaporte | http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-admin_modules.php?um_edit=IRC_chat#editcreate -> this is broken to me | [17:42] |
| luci | marclaporte: well, mibbit is kind of one-click entry | [17:49] |
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| xavi | luci, wasn't it pkdille who created the minichat module? | [17:53] |
| marclaporte | it's broken | [17:53] |
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| xavi | I offer to pay as many beers as he can drink in one night if he improves the minichat module while in TikifestUK so that we don't have to use mibbit or anyother one with adds, etc.
oups, late 1 second late | [17:54] |
| chibaguy | xavi, iirc, it was niclone but I don't know how that nick belongs to.
how -> who | [17:54] |
| xavi | ok
thanks chibaguy | [17:55] |
| marclaporte | http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php -> lookt at top-right module | [17:55] |
| chibaguy | (obviously native speakers have trouble with English too ;-) | [17:55] |
| marclaporte | I want to know who tried to put and to see if we can fix | [17:55] |
| xavi | :-)
chibaguy, did you see the message in japanese I sent on irc for you previously? mibbit-translated | [17:55] |
| marclaporte | it was broken a long time ago so I just hid it and put linux-quebec irc gateway instead. But the gateway is dead now... | [17:56] |
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| xavi_tw_mibbit | mmmm
oh well, this seems to work for me and in fact, we are lucky, and since this is so narrow, the google ad falls behind the mibbit header ... so that it's jnot displayed :-) => we have mibbit chat, without real ads displayed (due to css issues) :-) | [17:57] |
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| mib_3cfizt | Hello | [18:02] |
| xavi | hi mib_3cfizt | [18:03] |
| mib_3cfizt | It's great that thing
I can speak french and you read me in English | [18:03] |
| xavi | :-)
who are you? | [18:03] |
| mib_3cfizt | Xavi thank you! | [18:03] |
| xavi | marc? | [18:04] |
| mib_3cfizt | I'm gonna change to Spanish
I speak Spanish mibbit can even detect my source language It's really too hard | [18:04] |
| chibaguy | xavi, it's understandable but not quite right. | [18:05] |
| mib_3cfizt | oups
It is really excellent | [18:05] |
| xavi | ok (just trying how far it goes ... I guess that english <-> japanese it's not that easy)
mib_3cfizt: I don't get any message from you in any other language different than english | [18:05] |
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| xavi | chibaguy: english <-> catalan was pretty good, in fact | [18:06] |
| mib_3cfizt | Yes, but I write in french on my side | [18:06] |
| xavi | ah, ok mib_3cfizt | [18:06] |
| chibaguy | bona nit | [18:08] |
| marclaporte | http://pastebin.com/m3402f645
^^^ to see what I wrote in French and Spanish | [18:08] |
| chibaguy | Bonne nuit. | [18:09] |
| xavi | ok, good night chibaguy
:-) | [18:09] |
| chibaguy | Buenas noches.
Спокойной ночи. | [18:09] |
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| xavi | marclaporte, imagine this feature added to minichat module... :-) | [18:11] |
| marclaporte | hehe | [18:17] |
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| marclaporte | sylvieg: : do you think tikiwiki.org can be upgraded to 3.0?
xavi: : I dream of irc being directly accessible in tiki | [18:34] |
| xavi | :-)
marclaporte: have you succeeded using dynamic items list? and if so, is it working for you in current tiki 3 svn code? (I can't get it to work with tiki3 beta 1, but it's my first ever time attempting to use it, and I wonder whether it's me not doing something right, or if that tracker field is broken in current tiki3 svn) | [18:36] |
| marclaporte | xavi: : I have not played with it but one of my customers learnt it and used it
I love it when they teach me stuff! xavi: we need a profile | [18:38] |
| xavi | ^sylvieg: is tracker field "dynamic items list" working for you with current tiki 3 code?
marclaporte: is that customer using tiki3 beta4? (or tiki3 betax)? | [18:38] |
| marclaporte | it was a while ago
not 1.10 but almost :-) | [18:41] |
| xavi | :-)
ricks99 around? | [18:42] |
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| xavi | xavi has upgraded a site to latest tiki3svn code, and it stopped working
:-/ blank pages after running the automatic upgrade of the database, and attempting to login to the site http://intercanvis.net I wanted to see if with latest tiki3beta4 code the dynamic items list worked, but ... | [19:38] |
| mib_tyvhp0 | blank pages: activate error reporting to get hints | [19:44] |
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| xavi_nokia5800 | mmmm | [19:50] |
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| xavi | activate...: I can't go to anywhere else than tiki-install.php
any tiki-admin.php page shows a blank page (as if memory problems...) :-7 :-( | [20:02] |
| marclaporte | maybe go in DB
and put error reporting and clear templates_c/ too xavi : http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/Debug_Mode_Enabled | [20:15] |
| http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/Debug_Mode_Enabled#I_am_locked_out_of_Tiki | [20:24] | |
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| xavi | marclaporte: thanks, I will try | [20:44] |
| cu (no luck for today). I'll see if I'm more lucky tomorrow, changing to another svn release number or so | [20:52] | |
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| ricks99_ | ping xavi | [22:04] |
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| marclaporte | ricks99_: : pong | [22:09] |
| ricks99_ | hi marc | [22:09] |
| marclaporte | how are you? | [22:09] |
| ricks99_ | tired. just finished in the garden | [22:10] |
| marclaporte | hehe | [22:10] |
| ricks99_ | u @ tikifest? | [22:11] |
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| marclaporte | no
at home now | [22:11] |
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| sm-lapt0p | how do i use that include function?
somebody told me about it but i cant find any reading meterial on it i want to include a wiki article into another one so i can display 2 on the front page | [22:11] |
| marclaporte | http://doc.tikiwiki.org/include | [22:12] |
| ricks99 | articles or wiki pages? | [22:12] |
| sm-lapt0p | page
page doesnt exist marclaporte | [22:12] |
| ricks99 | include one wiki page inside of another? see docs: | [22:12] |
| sm-lapt0p | and yea.. wiki pages | [22:13] |
| ricks99 | doc.tikiwiki.org/plugininclude | [22:13] |
| marclaporte | two choices | [22:13] |
| sm-lapt0p | plugininclude ok.. thanks | [22:13] |
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| ricks99 | btw, if u click HELP when editing a wiki page, you'll see all the plugins (with their doc links)
@marc: do u know who has http://twitter.com/tikiwiki | [22:13] |
| marclaporte | I don't know | [22:14] |
| sm-lapt0p | hmm
im not sure im on 3.0 that a 3.0 only thing? | [22:14] |
| marclaporte | someone should contact twitter | [22:14] |
| ricks99 | * rick has been playing with twitter :-)
http://twitter.com/twbasics | [22:14] |
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| sm-lapt0p | damn
i dont have an include plugin | [22:17] |
| ricks99 | lib/wiki_plugins? | [22:18] |
| marclaporte | in 3.0, you just turn it on | [22:18] |
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| sm-lapt0p | im not using 3.0
still in beta ;-P unless it recently came outa beta | [22:19] |
| ricks99 | @sm-lapt0p: look in lib/wiki_plugins for it | [22:19] |
| sm-lapt0p | hmm | [22:20] |
| ricks99 | it came with my 2.x tiki | [22:20] |
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| CIA-46 | tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18220 10/branches/3.0/lib/setup/prefs.php: [FIX] filegal admin: do not consider, when it's not the case, that the podcast directory changed when saving filegals preferences, when saving filegal prefs. | [22:38] |
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| CIA-46 | tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18221 10/branches/3.0/lib/setup/prefs.php: [FIX] textare admin: fix some preferences defaults names. | [22:44] |
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| tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18222 10/branches/3.0/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] admin community: save buttons were saving different preferences depending on the button...
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18223 10/branches/3.0/lib/setup/prefs.php: [MOD] fix a typo and deactivate __image__ (possible future way) and __picture__ (old way) plugins so as not to confuse people. __img__ is still the default/main way to add images | [23:07] | |
| marclaporte | ricks99: where are user default preferences? | [23:13] |
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| ricks99 | @marclaporte: Admin: Features, User tab? | [23:27] |
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| marclaporte | no
I mean where we set will be defaults of new users you have mail | [23:58] |
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