Info: TikiWiki 3.0 Beta 4 Released - http://info.tikiwiki.org/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=58
 Info: TikiWiki 3.0 Release Candidate1 - http://info.tikiwiki.org/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=58
heyas everyone
anyone have a share script to add link to a tiki site to facebook?
* insomnia strikes... rick tries to update smarties to 3.0!
261 failed queries on upgrade :(
all-in-all, not too bad
lots of plugins to manually approve  :(
tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r18383 10/branches/3.0/lang/ca/language.php: some more strings translated
toctoc
chibaguy: I see that in tw.o (strasa.css), nummber of posts in forums is not seen (white font on white bg)
toctoc, xavi
after name of user and star, number of posts is shown on another line, thus, on white bg
ah, ok, I'll fix it in branch 3 svn (I guess is the place).
I guess so
another tiny one: when watching a forum by it's categories, the message "Watched by categories: Developer" (for instance) is very dark over black bg
on the black bar of the thread topic
s/it's/its
ok, I'll check that one also. thanks,
welcome; house work time, bbl
see you later. :-)
hello 
on 2.4 I have ajaxloading message displayed what is wrong
?
sylvieg: are you there ? 
GillesM: check that you have any required entries in your css about ajax. Try with one official&updated theme style to see if it works better, as a hint
hth
ok done ... thanks :)
did it work?
xavi, I can't find the  "Watched by categories: . . . " text. Is that on /tiki-view_forum.php?forumId= ?
if you have an error ajax will be loading forever.
tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r18384 10/branches/3.0/styles/strasa.css: [FIX] Bad text-background contrast (number of posts, in forum post author info).
chibaguy: :-) you need to be watching a category, like "DEvelopment", and then, go to a forum categorized in such category, like development forum :-)
ah, ok.
thanks.
I'm also trying to figure out why forum pages are so wide at tw.o. At my branch 3.0 sites, they're narrow (no scroll bar).
mmmm, house work in the room where this computer is hosted. Bye for some hours.
tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r18385 10/branches/3.0/styles/transitions/1.9to2.2.css: [FIX] Remove "!important" on some colors to allow themes to override easier.
hi guys, i installed today tikiwiki 3.0 rc1 and it is same slow like before
what can i do to speed up this site??
it takes nearly 9 seconds to show the site !!!
is that normal ?
hello?
someone here ?
you are accessoires here ?
i think it's not normal
and take it easy. people on irc take sometime to reply
hi guys !
sprecht ihr deutsch hier ?
ich habe ein extremes geschwindigkeitsproblem mit dem cms 
kann mir bitte jemand helfen ?
ich habe heute 3.0rc1 installiert und es dauert satte 9 sec. ein nächstes bild auf zu bauen !! das kann doch nicht normal sein , oder?
i habe a problem with the speed on 3.0rc1. it takes 9 seconds to the first picture. is that normal ??
i think not, i see many fast tikiwiki sites, but not mine. what i can do ???
why you guys only stay in the room
for show?
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllllllloooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
someone heeeeeeerrrre??
oh nice sund outside..
take it easy 
your coffe is good ?
maybe your host is shared?
i'm also a tikiwiki user and i don't notice any load lag
yes strato is shared. but sooo slow.
i want not belive that it´s normal
hum
where: try mine: http://luminoso.ws
beta4
you can watch on http://login.zubehoerexperten.de
oh, no popup
wow this is slow
what was the site again, please
22seconds
lol
yes.
i know
http://luminoso.ws
but what can i do???
i think that your host sucks
lol
takes a long time to connect
lol.. yes
but..
is mine also slow for you?
can it possible that i do something wrong on the site, that it slow down so extreme ?
no
it´s fast for me
hum
host problem?
extreme fast to mine..
maybe i try on site5 again..
what hoster you have?
vexxhost
and u?
strato
but also site5 on an other..
on the website itself it is very fast
but on the cms is takes extreme long time
shiiiitt!
go tou your cpanel
and check you machine loads
ok, when i´m on site5 i will try
but i connot check on strato
why not? you don't have cpanel?
not on strato.
nothing from this.
ok, i will try on site 5..
on my next installation.
luminoso, you use also 3.0?
yep
beta4
upgrading now to RC1
cool. and so fast !.. lol
have you a bomb to destroy strato please ?
lolz
it seems that strato is overselling
i think all the time, ok, maybe it is only the early version...
you have an own vserver there?
or it is hosted ?
tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18386 10/branches/3.0/doc/devtools/release.php: 
tikiwiki: [FIX] release script: some small fixes and improvements:
tikiwiki:  * Fix --no-tagging option to also skip the existing tag check and tag deletion
tikiwiki:  * Avoid usage of 'mysql_real_escape_string' function if not needed when escaping filenames for SecDB
tikiwiki:  If some filenames have to be escaped with this function, exist gracefully with a useful error message if no DB connection can be made
tikiwiki:  * If PHP 'readline' extension is not available, fallback to a code that uses fgets instead
tikiwiki:  * When parsing members data from SF.net, die with an error if 'iconv' is not available on the system
tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18387 10/branches/3.0/doc/devtools/ (release.php svntools.php): [FIX] release script: quit the release script with an error if subversion requirements are not ok.
tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18388 10/branches/3.0/doc/devtools/release.php: [FIX] release script: quit release script with an error if PHP version is less than 5
hey, can someone walk me through setting up posting to my Wikiwiki user blog on a desktop app (Blogo on OSX)
Naturally.
sweet, all I've been getting are errors, what should I put as my 'blogs URL'?
hyphenex: sorry, but Sug4r is just a bot.
hyphenex: I did it once through BloGTK (Linux) or wBloggar for window$. http://gclub.ub.es/COM+publicar+via+clients+Blogger
unluckily it's in Catalan, but surely you can use machine translation from google of http://apertium.sf.net to get the bulk translated to english
aask if in doubt after you do some trial & errors... (we are still house working at home, and from time to time I can come to see irc ) 
hth
xavi: sweet, I might give it a go with BloGTK then, so you're sure you've got it to work :)
btw, that site is runnig 1.9.x
I haven't tried with 2.x ir 3.x
oh, I'm using 2.2
hyphenex: are you sure that this type of info is not under http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Documentation ? (and in English)=
I might have translated that there years ago...
xavi: I've looked, and found a reference wBloggar or something, but it didn't say much
polom
btw, marclaporte, congratulations for the hard work releaseing rc1 yesterday :-)
:-)
tks, mostly Patricia & Patrice
unfortunately, there are still many problems
and not enough people are helping
With profiles, for example
There are many big problems with http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/Personal_Blog_and_Profile
and edit plugin doesn't work for plugins within plugins
and some of the default content does this
this will lead to many support requests
"many big problems"?
I think too few people have understood the power of profiles
go install blog profile
and ask yourself how this user experience compares to installing a blogging package
then, you tell me about big problems
custom home page doesn't work
oups
doesn't work through profiles?
or doesn't work in tiki at all?
marclaporte, I agree about the power of profiles, but it will take some time for them to catch on, I think.
xavi: just try it
fwiw, my 3.0 upgrade went pretty smoothly...
still ironing out some issuees, but pretty good so far
ricks99: : can we move {TR()}_HOMEPAGE_CONTENT_{TR} to profiles
Excuse the interrupt.  Fanboy ... Just a cheer to the TikiCodeFesters.    Go Tiki Go!   Thanks for the efforts everyone.
ricks99:  the edit plugin doesn't handle plugins within plugins
@marclaporte: dont understand?
2 things
y, i see that in smarties 3.0
1- In the bare-bones install, I do not want any text
1. disagree. imho, there should always be some default text, let use know that the install went well
(like apache)
2- This type of content should be distributed by profiles as it's easier to edit in wiki pages
In all the profiles except barebones, we can put
I had some tests with some users
they see edit plugin buttons
"Internal Server Error" when trying to install blog profile :-(
test users preferred a blank home page? instead of default text?
not that
and when they try, they get embedded plugin thing
so user confusion
mabye plugin icon should be disabled, by default
yes, maybe
have also noticed, plugin icon *destroys* page formatting
(in display mode)
example the TAG plugin-- the edit plugn causes a line break :(
+1 to plugin icon disabled by default
1- admin installs Tiki, 2- goes to edit section 3, and gets blank page
my {poll pollID=xx} is showing comments ? wtf?
on default install, there is one too many edit buttons
btw, in a trial of upgrade i did yesterday, the centering tag (:: {img src=foo.jpg} ::) didn't work for me anymore
hi
hi MatWho
hi MatWho
btw2: on that upgrade trial from 2.4 to 3beta4, structures became disabled by the upgrade process
xavi: : it's because they are now optional
@xavi: y, i hit that, 200
xavi: : please add things like that to release notes
Does the business web presence profile not include the menus now?
chibaguy: : in Intranet profile, coe.css, the search box is too big
I installed with that profile (backed up after error with blog profile), and mostly it installed but no menus.
ok, I'll check that. I noticed also recent problems with the search even with a plain install.
(search form background images out of alignment, and header area too tall)
Weird how these things happen at this point after weeks/months of massaging things into place.
I guess because the number of file changes increases as release nears.
Still no strasa 'warm' theme option....
MatWho & ricks99: on Bare bones install, after admin logins, if (s)he clicks on the last edit plugin button, they get _HOMEPAGE_CONTENT_ to edit.  If they do so, what happens is unituitive
Maybe that empty css file should be removed until it does something.
edit plugin is a huge advance for usability when it works
anyone.... pls look at http://www.keycontent.org/twbasics30/     in the WHAT DO YOU THINK module, why is "TPL: tiki-plugin_poll.tpl > " being displayed?
MatWho: : can you check in Blog profile, why blog is not appearing as home page?
ok
ricks99, I think you need to turn off the generating of tpl start/end tags. 
Hi all :)
I understand they are only for dev debugging, not for live sites.
@chibaguy: but why only appearing for the poll pluing? 
its not appearing for any others?
poll plugin is doing weirdness
(still debugging the upgrade)
well, I don't know, but it could be having an effect. Actually in Opera 9, the page displays as only yellow...
...after a brief glipse of your page as intended.
argh
marclaporte: I commited more fixes and improvements to the release script. Intereactive mode should now work fine on your system, so no need to use all the --options. Just use it as explained in the howto (php doc/devtools/release.php 3.0)
But the tpl markers do affect the page display.
nyloth: : thanks!
marclaporte: it was my pleasure :)
bedtime here. will try to get onto rc1 things tomorrow...
turned off the tpl option. that fixed it. but why only showing in poll plugin i wonder...
bbl
Can someone fix the two plugins ? EQUATION Fatal error: Class 'LatexRender' not found in /home/demotw/3.0/mysql/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_equation.php on line 49 
SHARE Fatal error: Call to undefined function wikiplugin_submit() in /home/demotw/3.0/mysql/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_share.php on line 87 
or maybe we should remove these two plugins?
+1 to remove in 3.0
everyone: please install profiles and as you find features with bugs, turn off from profile (or fix bug if you can)
profiles should have out of the box well working features
I am having trouble to estimate how many resources have how much time today to help squash the last bugs
sadly, there is no one at TikiFest that can be useful at the moment
I am alone
in 1h or so I can be full time. Sorru, not now (fixing big furniture problems at home)
There are some people new to Tiki and I can spend to time to teach them
And the Citadel Rock crew didn't come because Nelson is ill and they just got back from long travelling at shows to present Tiki
MatWho: : did you find bug?
marclaporte: sorry, I'm not available enough to fix bugs, I have urgent work to finish first - but I can give help or advices for the final release
tks nyloth: how about the xss thing?
marclaporte: EQUATION has external dependancies so could be fixed with documentation. 
marclaporte: you're right... I'll do this right now to be sure its done before the release
hi MatWho :)
nyloth: hi
nyloth:  I svn upped. If I run with --no-tagging,   is this a good test run?
marclaporte: with --no-tagging and in interactive mode, it should be ok, but you have to answer 'n' when it asks to commit
MatWho: : it should also be fixed in the code to give a graceful error message
ok
patricia is not here today, so I have to figure this out :-)
marclaporte: after running the whole script, you will have uncommited changes on files like copyright.txt, etc. You will be able to see changed files with : svn status
ok super.
and to see differences: svn diff
nyloth: : even though we took a lot of time yesterday for this (time we didn't have), I think it was still a good decision because we are improving our release process
so 3.1 will be even easier
and then, remove changes to be sure they will not be commited later: for each FILE (listed in svn status): svn revert FILE
hmm, not sure I understand this last part
won't files be fixed when I run for real?
marclaporte: when you run for real, the first step that will commit something (like the README file) will commit your other changes
ah
This page looks good: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/How+to+release
marclaporte: the easiest way to avoid this, if you don't want to use "svn revert", is to use a clean checkout each time
marclaporte: you are not forced to do an "svn checkout ..." each time, but you can copy the whole directory with "cp -a YOUR_CLEAN_CHECKOUT TESTING_CHECKOUT_DIRECTORY"
so, after running the script on the TESTING_CHECKOUT_DIRECTORY, just remove it with "rm -rf TESTING_CHECKOUT_DIRECTORY"
and you will be able to do the final real run on the clean checkout
Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_OBJECT_OPERATOR in /home/tikirelease/3.0/doc/devtools/release.php on line 69
grrrr
marclaporte: did you use php5
still the php5 things
?
there is a test for php version now, but php4 probably stops before doing the test due to unknown syntax... 
will have to do a real test on php4 to see how to solve this
but it's not so important. PHP5 is a requirement listed in the doc :)
yes
it's just that my server is strange
This      /usr/local/php5/bin/php doc/devtools/release.php --no-tagging 3.0 rc2
works
you made all steps with success ?
(except commits I suppose ;) )
so far, so good
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18389 10/branches/3.0/README: [REL] Update README file for 3.0rc2
oups
no!
lol
hahaha
do we have somewhere the number of peope and commits in 3.0 vs 2.0?  
must be thousands of commits
marclaporte: no, I don't think so
marclaporte: yes maybe thousands, but I don't think we have this number somewhere
ok
marclaporte: even the copyrights.txt is generated with the number of total commits of people, to better represent their work in the community.
that is great
isn't that number registered in sf?
marclaporte: so, when releasing 3.1, it will include my work on 4.0 ... and it includes, for example, LPH work on trim
caralluna: you have those numbers in copyright.txt, but its all branches together before the current date
ah that's good. It's all one project
yes
xavi furniture has cut Internet connection!
marclaporte: another thing about release.php. It has initially been made to build tarballs using the tag of the release. So, if you use it for rc2 with --no-tagging and without commiting, it won't be able to build tarballs since the tag won't exist. To be able to make tarballs without the tag, you have to make a pre-release, like this: php doc/devtools/release.php 3.0 prerc2
ah
if the subrelease is prefixed by 'pre', it implies that no tag will be created
that is the closest to php doc/devtools/release.php --testrun    ?
yes, but the only difference with the command line you used is that tarballs step will really work
ok
I think I should add a --testrun or --dry-run option which also auto-answer 'n' to all commits questions
A bit later if I have time enough :)
ok, I will add to ideas section
ok :)
>> Retrieved members list from Sourceforge.
Retrieving logs from revision 8388 to 13388 ....                svn: REPORT request failed on '/svnroot/tikiwiki/!svn/bc/13388'
marclaporte: don't worry
marclaporte: sourceforge has some problems with our repository for approx. 20 commits when retrieving logs
marclaporte: but those errors are not a problem for the release process
marclaporte: I should have hidden them from display...
ok
marclaporte: this "Retrieving logs" step takes ages due to the slow servers and/or bandwith of SF.net
marclaporte: this is a part I would like to move to release.tw.o
so release script will just have to retrieve one up-to-date file from there
ricks99 : & all: can we throw full text instead of _HOMEPAGE_CONTENT_?  Right now, it messes section edit and edit plugin helper
(like it was before)
marclaporte: replacing _HOMEPAGE_CONTENT_ by the whole string ?
yes
{TR} plugin should be off by default anyway
the problem is that any change to the english version (which may change often) will break the translation...
Ideally, this type of intro text should be generated by profiles, where it's easy to maintain
does profiles handles translations in this case ?
I checked and only French version has been added to lang files
we could easily make French profiles
marclaporte: yes, french is the most up-to-date language :)
let me think of better
If xavi wants to translate the homepage its very easy right now...
yes, but it has to wait for next version of Tiki
with profiles, if you have to make a spanish profile, it will be harder
why ?
tr needs to be added to language files
so it's added to 3.1
no?
xavi (for example, not necessarily him :) ) can commit the translation right now for spanish in language.php . Nothing more is needed
yes, but waits for 3.1
unless he does today
well, not if commited today I suppose ;)
yes :)
ihehe
if we figure out a good way with profiles, it becomes living
I agree with you that the content should be handled by profiles. But I disagree to have one profile per language
yes, that would be madness
but
And we also need to keep a homepage content for barebone install which should not use remote profiles
profiles can be included in profiles
so perhaps localized profle can be used at the end, and override English stuff
then why not, but the installer has to be a bit modified to automatically get the profile for the language, if exists, and fallback to the main english one if not
impossible to do this for 3.0 
If there is a good solution, I can help :)
:-)
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18390 10/branches/3.0/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_img.php: [MOD] In edit img plugin, moving alt towards the top, because on smaller screens, you had to scroll to see.
MatWho: : any luck on Blog profile bug?
why does edit plugin cause a line break?
on RC1 file upload unzip is broKen
utf8 filenames
tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18391 10/branches/3.0/tiki-filter-base.php: [SEC] quick fix for XSS vulnerability that was already fixed in 2.x (revision 17883)
just getting ready got distracted by a phone call
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18392 10/branches/3.0/lib/setup/prefs.php: [MOD] Turning off plugin edit helper on barebones install because of http://dev.tikiwiki.org/wish2472 and rogue line-break which sometimes appears. This is unfortunate because it's otherwise great to improve UI.
marclaporte: fixed blog home page issue, problem in proifile now fixed no need for code commit 
There is a big problem with strassa and blogs on safari
not just Safari
I'm downloading the 3.0 branch from SVN. Anyone want to assign a newbie a small bug to fix? I'll see if I can do anything within the next few hours in an attempt to learn the system (I'm Dac btw, the straggler who hangs out at the Tiki beer parties)
At worse, I fail to do anything. At best, I send a diff.
dac: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Release30process#Other
Several admin panels tiki-admin.php?page=xyz are displaying incorrect feedback about which features are turned on/off (Marc) 
go to  :tiki-admin.php?page=login
and turn on thing on or off. And you will see many feedback messages by error
k thanks
thank you!!
marclaporte: looking in template file now for blog bug
MatWho: tks
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18393 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-assignpermission.tpl: [FIX] fix doc link
tikiwiki: 03matwho * r18394 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-view_blog.tpl: [FIX] Fixed problem with divs not matching
marclaporte: fixed blog, need to get food back later
tks
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18395 10/branches/3.0/ (db/tiki.sql lib/setup/prefs.php): [MOD] On barebones clean installs, use login in header instead of module, because 1- Some profiles don't need to login and it's easy to turn off. A few profiles will have login module though. 2- It looks nicer.
again so many same people..  an again i?m   hi guys
i hope me can someone tell how i can unlock the installer
i want test the speed on a new server
for now it says internal server error when i want go to tiki-install.php
i copy all things from one to the other server and install the same database. but for now i not change the local.php in db
i try to do the same like http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Move+Tiki+to+a+new+server  but it not works
i  become the server error
can someone tell me PLLEEEAAASSSEE what i can do to unlock the installer 
i locked it today on the first server
nyloth: ping
hello ?
What's up with the simple_set_toggle() function? There should be a third choice maybe? yes, no, and we've never done this so set to whatever the prefs file says?
wikitikiinfo: : destroy one file
db/lock
right now it's inverting a bunch of 'y'
when it should, maybe, be saying set it to whatever, as this is the first time
file: tiki-admin.php
conner_bw: yes ? :)
what file i should destroy ? marclaporte ?
oh
haha
db/lock
thanks
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18396 10/branches/3.0/db/ (6 files): [DB] syncdb
wikitikiinfo: : didn't the page tell you that?
nyloth: : conner_bw is trying to solve unwanted error messages on first run at tiki-admin.php?page=login
no, for now i read only server error 500
oh I see
the errors happen because neither of the two conditions are met on the first encounter of certain variables
when i try to call a normal html page it work , but on tikiwiki nothing
it's because of file perms
conner_bw: for which pref ?
wikitikiinfo: : if you look in your error logs, you'll probably see that file was blocked because perms were too lax
ex.: 777
wikitikiinfo: : if you have shell, run sh setup.sh
i try to run setup.sh per ssh but it not allowed it writes.      oh thanks for the tip !
nyloth: http://pastebin.ca/1411435
wikitikiinfo: : usually, error messages are harmeless, you just keep on going
(i put the debug => there myself)
Everything with debug => 2 is unwanted behaviour... i.e. those should be accepted, not toggled
This only happens the first time
setup.sh give me the server answer Operation not permitted
every other run, it's fine because it's set
wikitikiinfo: : also: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Manual+Installation
i will try to change it on my own. not all.. but.. thanks !
polom polom
conner_bw: hey dac :)
conner_bw: I used to fix a lot of those problems recently. You can have a look at revision 18220 for example
the other solution is to change all those 'y' yo 'n' in prefs.php
but that seems shortsighted maybe?
luciash: hello :)
conner_bw: the problem is usually that the default pref in lib/setup/pref.php is not a value that is in the template
let me try to modify the function and submit a diff that you guys/girls can peer review
or outright reject
conner_bw: i believed they happen because they're leftovers from revamping/moving the admin preferences from one page to another and they become disabled of course because someone forgot to add the prefs checkboxes or something or remove from pages weher they were removed in tpls
s/weher/where/
conner_bw: also have a look at commit revision 18226
conner_bw: as nyloth says :)
hi luci :)
hi patrice :)
wth the action icons next to articles moved again since yesterday in strasa ?
conner_bw: let me precise that there should be no need to change any function...
marclaporte:: i think the setup.sh works, i look to the permissions and the most files have 777 or 755   
marclaporte:: the same i read on http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Install+by+FTP&bl=y page
conner_bw: yup, only the input names in tiki-admin-include... tpl files should match the toggles in their php counterparts
marclaporte::i delete now the lock from db and make the entrys in local.php
marclaporte:: you have any idea ?  server error 500.
or someone else ? luciash maybe ?
wikitikiinfo: : look at your error logs
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18397 10/branches/3.0/db/ (7 files): 
tikiwiki: [FIX] Removing quick_edit and since_last_visit_new modules from barebones
tikiwiki: install. 1- These modules are amazing and will be in use in most profiles.
tikiwiki: However, it's better to add them via profiles as we have more control over which
tikiwiki: group gets to see them. Sometimes, we want registered users to see and
tikiwiki: sometimes, we want only Admins.
marclaporte:: hmm where i can find ?
ask your server admin
no i mean the tikiwiki error log
could be in admin panel or a text file which is generated on your server
well, if it breaks before it gets to tiki, how could tiki log?
ok ok..  
i try on the panel to find. thanks !
tikilogs are at tiki-syslog.php
once tiki works, but if you still have issues: you can install this profile: http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/Debug_Mode_Enabled
i will try it also . thank you again for the link.
the log says " SoftException in Application.cpp:252: File "
what else?
is writeable by group
to the install-tiki.php
so change that
haha
ok you mean to normal 777 or what?
nyloth: : I get same error on my server than wikitikiinfo. I suspect many people will as well. It would great if we could set these in the package or svn.
try 775
or 664
is the same with 777 775 or 664   error log says tiki-install.php" is writeable by group
(i refresh my browser)
no idea... but you know i move from an other server away to that one.
this page looks a little strange, no? http://tikiwiki.org/forums
wikitikiinfo: : so remove writeable by group
hahaha i explode...
sorry for my wth, it affects the look of bottom actions in strasa when articles comments are enabled :-/
ok i will try to remove, in hat way ever.. the writeable by group.  
guys i with you all something ... i will try all things tomorrow. maybe i can change my complete site to the other server for more speed. .. but for now BY!   Thanks for the help!
marclaporte: strange the repeated forum sections title ?
luciash: : yes
that's new
and not better, IMNSHO
i don't know, haven't looked at forums long time
someone could svn up tw.o though
means ohertel ?
http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-searchresults.php?highlight=test&search=Go  -> search is broken
maybe change to searchindex there ?
marclaporte: it's slow but worksforme
the link you gave
try as anon
ah, as anon
ricks99 & nyloth: {TR()}_HOMEPAGE_CONTENT_{TR}  is confusing for new users becase it conflicts with section edit
+1 to rollback to previous full editable content from me
can we still have it multilingual?
i think so, wasn't it in {TR()} before too ? but i would prefer to put in {TR()} by sentences instead of whole page content
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18398 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [DEL] Removing Customer Extranet profile because it won't be ready in time.
conner_bw: : are winning?
losing big time :(
hi all again
back (after electricity cut for a couple of hours)
The quick fix is to change the following to 'n' in prefs.php auth_ldap_memberisdn, pam_create_user_tiki, pam_skip_admin, shib_create_user_tiki, shib_skip_admin
I have 90min. aprox.
nyltoh: I'm ok with translation of homepage
But the problem is that simple_set_toggle is sometimes called without ever considering that this is the first time a value is being set, therefore it should not be toggled, but inserted as is
forums in tw.o are ok to me, btw
luciash: it was not translated before...
http://tikiwiki.org/ReleaseNotes3.0 produces 404 not found
nyloth: what should I translate for the homepage?
well, or where is it? in language.php?
xavi1: look at lang/fr/language.php .... it's the special string _HOMEPAGE_CONTENT_ (for now...)
ok
btw, search is also broken for normal users (at least) in tw.o: example: http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-searchresults.php?highlight=ReleaseProcess&search=Go 
luciash  & nyloth:  conner_bw is quite new to Tiki and doesn't know what default values should be in admin-login.   Can someone volunteer
marclaporte: we can automatically transform _HOMEPAGE_CONTENT_ into the real content when creating the page, like what is already done when editing the page
?
nyloth: : real content is excellent (and localized) so we don't use TR and users are not confused
conner_bw is no more there. Default values can simply be the same as what is already done when saving the panel the first time.
marclaporte: yes but your page will just be in the lang of the installation. Changing the lang after that will not auto-translate the page, like today
marclaporte: but as you wish
I still think it will cause less issues. People can pick language in installer now.
and for 4.0, we'll make sure to have i18n in profiles. So people pick Intranet + fr and they get localized content
I don't have free time right now, just dealing with urgencies. Please add it to the list of blockers, I'll do it when I will have time. Or maybe someone else will be able to do before me
actually, Olaf, Alain & I have already started to DogFood i18 profile: http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/Multilingual_Glossary
nyloth, ok tks
maybe sylvieg will show up :-)
tikiwiki: 03gezzzan * r18399 10/branches/3.0/lang/hu/language.php: more HUN translation
marclaporte: is there any place for discussion on what should be enabled by default in a bare-bones installation?
i've just finished one (with 3rc1) and I found less things than the one a newbie would expect (imho)
xavi: please start a wiki page on profiles.tikiwiki.org
before learning about profiles, I would expect ... ok
what do you have in mind?
I'll add that to my todo (for tonight or tomorrow)
barebones should be secure, and stuff that everyone needs
hi, I need advice to make up my mind, I installed tikiwiki 3.0 (basically because if the svn update feature) but I´m facing small problems pretty often, and don´t know how to troubleshoot them (at least not quickly enough), should I install 2.4 and wait until 3.0 is further developed ?
I would expect a siwtch_theme, (switch_lang maybe), and search_box, at least
otrotabi: : what feature?
now, for example, I can´t access "User modules" in the admin features
xavi: on a public-facing corporate site, I don't want switch theme
when logged in as admin, I mean
^marclaporte
even in a corporate environment, the it reviewing tiki, when logged as admin, they would like to test other themes....
so at least for admin...
xavi: yes maybe we could add that to a wiki page, only visible to admins?
yes, marclaporte: not too steep learning curve for new admins
it could be a new tiki admin wiki page, with many such links  (users, groups, etc.)
and, imho, I would add a line at homepage_content about profiles.
i.e.: "Notice that you can fine tune your installation by installing other profiles, which will help you configure your tiki installation to meet your needs. Review http://profiles.tikiwiki.org for more information"
or similar
tikiwiki: 03conner_bw * r18400 10/branches/3.0/lib/searchlib.php: [FIX] Added a space between tracker # and title
xavi: : we have a technical limitation now.  Modules added in tiki.sql cannot be managed by profiles.   So if we add a module for all, we have no way of editing (groups,etc) and thus, we end up with duplicate modules. 
which is why I removed as many as possible
mmmm, ok. Why not then adding just some modules for admin?
for 4.0, 1- barebones profile should be managed using the profile manager, 2- It would be nice to be able to remove modules, and thus have more flexibility
and through profiles, the admin can go adding new features (and modules maybe?) for other groups in his/her site, etc. Does this make sense to you? 
xavi: because if we add for Registered, we'll have in double
yes, with profiles can do a lot
There is a profile to test themes I thinl
think
so, are you ok to add those modules only for the admin user?: search_box, switch_theme, switch_lang and since_last_visit_new for admin?
I suggest this in order to lower the learning curve for new admins or reviewers of tiki capabilites...
One whitespace committed.... WOOOOOOOU
conner_bw: : congrats!!
conner_bw: : you can read log of when you were gone: http://irc.tikiwiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2009-05-03,Sun
xavi: we will end up with duplicates
xavi: better to put in a wiki page, called admin
for admins only, not for others
yes, but it doesn't work
ok
I will try to explain a third time
If you do that, it will work
BUT
sorry to insist, do you think for a newbie I should go straight to 3.0 or should I wait ?
otrotabi: go for 2.4
If you also want Registered to have it, you will end up with two modules, one for Admins and one for Registered
and in some weeks time, when you are ok with the huge amount of features that you have in tiki 2.4, then ou can review tiki3... :-)
thanks xavi
marclaporte: I understood. Ok. Then, I would suggest again to add some cler note in the homepage about optional profiles for fine tunning your installation "easily" (in theory)
like the line suggest previously
otrotabi:  did you report bugs on dev.tw.o?
my 2 cents
tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r18401 10/branches/3.0/lang/ca/language.php: [FIX]Homepage trnaslated into Catalan (plus a few new strings from the installation process
tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r18402 10/branches/3.0/lang/es/language.php: [FIX] Homepage translated to Spanish
xavi: +1. 
marclaporte: fyi, multitiki in subdirectories is feasible by hand (avoiding the errors from tiki-install.php). And thus, it's feasible by ftp (although tedious)
I'll explain to that guy in tw.o/forums after 3.0 is released, and hopfully, document it somewhere in doc.tw.o
doc.tikiwiki.org/manual+installation
xavi ^^ 
ok
xavi: that guy is also trying to use .htaccess and I suspect that will not work
it does work :-)
He should try one thing at a time
yes, works alone, but could conflict with other things
I agree. but htaccess worked for me on multitiki in subdirectories
ok
InterTiki with preference/group transfer seems better to mne
I did document years ago that .htaccess when multitiki in subdirs... when doc.tw.o was on the ohter server, and I had access to that server...
mmm, marclaporte: I did the installation in catalan, selected profile for personal blog, however the homepage is not in Catalan but in English
I cleared tiki cache...
I would have expected to see that homepage in Catalan....
I hope is getting cloned
we have lots of work for him!
so marclaporte, how should a user proceed to get the hoepaage seen in his/her installation language?
if possible, of course
I thought I read a discussion hours ago about it, and it seemed to be possible, from what I reaad from your discussion
xavi: : dunno, but I suspect nyloth knows because it works for French
:-)
me wonders how many times we have to use the word "nyloth" until he notices...
xavi: maybe barebones install, when you pick a language in the installer?
ok, I'll try again later (testing something else with profiles now
marclaporte: proposal for step 3 in homepaeg_content: 
"Enable specific Tiki features individually by hand or in groups [http://profiles.tikiwiki.org|through profiles]"
try barebones
it worked with bare-bones, not with personal blog
I have only 5 min left for tonight
marclaporte: what do you think about my addition to step 3?
if I'm new to tiki, with the deafult homepage, it's not clear to me that I can quickly enable features through profiles, etc.
+1 to promote profiles
but remember that that will change translation for French 
xavi: homepage does not work for you ?
yes, it does in install language, with bare-bones
xavi: it should work after a fresh install and before you edit the page
it didn't with blog. 
I'll double check
marclaporte: lol, I'm just very busy :)
hehe
if you need something done, ask someone who is busy
:-)
:)
luciash: : you around?
nyloth: nowadays it worked in my installer lang. I dunno what happened before
xavi: ok, great :)
good work with the i18n of the homepage
xavi: the solution is not perfect, marc is not happy at all :)
nyltoh: what do you think about my proposal to put this as the 3rd step in homepage content: "Enable specific Tiki features individually by hand or in groups [http://profiles.tikiwiki.org|through profiles]"
s / nyltoh / nyloth
xavi: yes, why not. I'm just a little sad that barebone will be too much empty for newbies, just because barebone is not a local profile yet (which should be done one day)
nyloth: I had the same sensation with bare-bones half an hour ago: too empty for admin-newbies
this could be solved, as suggested by marclaporte, by adding an "admin page", add cotent to it, and asign that page to user admin by default, so that when he/she logs in , he/she see much more info?
hi chibaguy-late-at-night-in-japan?
No, it's about 7am.
what would be really cool: a profile plugin.   Ex.: {profile install=Test all themes}    So we could have an admin wiki page with direct links to get various things done.
hi chibaguy
hi guys
I was surprised to see matwho's blog-post tpl div fix at this late stage.
but now the strasa theme breaks on blog post, for me.
Hola soy Gloria, nos vamos a dormir :-)
If there was a problem with strasa's blog post template, probably the fix should have been in strasa's own tpl for that page.
maybe mat wasn't aware strasa has its own.
Today I'll be away from the computer most of the day but will check again the templates ,also in safari.
bbl
nyloth: i think it's good thing that bare-bone (default) installation is not remote-dependent profile at least one shouldn't be dependent on internet connection/profiles repository availability
luciash: yes, barebone has to remain remote. What I said is that it has to be a real profile, but a local one. This way, it will be possible to add items that will not be already installed when installing other profiles
s/has to remain remote/has to remain local/
nyloth: ah, sorry, didn't know the new profiles can be local too
luciash: never tested that, but the lib apparently is supposed to handle this case
and for me its the best way
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18403 10/branches/3.0/templates/ (tiki-register.tpl tiki-remind_password.tpl): [FIX] Removing link to doc.tikiwiki.org because it's currently irrelevant content at the other end.
hmm, shouldn't the fix be the other way around ? ;)
luciash: : do you have time for a cosmetic fix?
keep in templates but fix doc.tw.o content ?
marclaporte: depends :)
luciash: : we are in emergency mode now
only a few more hours to release
the profiles are still shit
delay can be always announced, what cosmetic fix ?
they don't have to be perfect because we can improve all the time
I have been working on this every day for weeks now
I am not going to continue
this is my last day
if someone else wants to do it, be my guest
but there is a reason we chose time-based releases
So I say we release in best possible state
We have branched two monthes ago
ok ok marc, what was the cosmetic fix agai n? ;)
:-) :-)
top bar: "I forgot my password" is either missing or glues on to "Register" in all themes except thenews.css Use Collaborative_Community and switch themes to see 
if i switch profile i lost all my previous content ?
no
ah, i'll try then :)
profiles do no delete content
they can turn off features though
wait
and add content like trackers ?
they can replace content in preferences (like site title)
oh
say you have already tracker #1, profiles will detect and create tracker #2
can they replace my trackers too ?
ok
tikiwiki: 03conner_bw * r18404 10/branches/3.0/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [FIX] For issues with 'tiki-admin.php?page=login' and 'tiki-admin.php?page=metatags' pages
but we have a weirdness that Sylvie knows about
so only site identity stuff can be replaced ?
(unwantedly)
any preference
i see
just read wiki page of profile to see what it does
"Warning: This will destroy your current database."
if it will replace my previous testing content i'm gonna kill ya marc ;)
yes, if you use installer
use profile manager
or try on a new install
oh, damn, too late, i just used the installer :-p
fsck
you're lucky i was only kidding about killing you :-p
hehe
Hello, I have to leave one
conner_bw: one ?
The problem with the community page is described here: http://pastebin.com/m535a035e
(now)
conner_bw: thanx for the fixes :)
The community page requires someone who knows the feature, and decide which variables should be checked etc.
Have fun guys and girls
Good luck with the release.
conner_bw: : thanks and congrats on your first commits!
woooou ,see ya
hola!
Isn't tikiwiki 3.0 supposed to be released today?
I guess this chan, doesn't get to much action....
I don't see 3.0 online yet, but found a link suggesting so yesterday: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Tikiwiki+3.0
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tikiwiki: 03luciash * r18405 10/branches/3.0/styles/ (darkroom.css feb12.css): [FIX] darkroom and feb12 themes: give every sub-element of #siteloginbar some padding
mib_89lqwm: later today
so it is real!
luciash: are you part of the dev team?
yup
well, thanks for the good work!
we all just try our best ;)
:)
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r18406 10/branches/3.0/templates/styles/strasa/tiki-view_blog.tpl: [FIX] blog: fix for strasa tpl layout problem
tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18407 10/trunk/lang/fr/language.php: [FIX] run get_strings to update fr translation file
tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18408 10/trunk/lang/fr/language.php: French translations
tikiwiki: 03nyloth * r18409 10/trunk/lib/ (setup/prefs.php tikilib.php): [ENH] email syntax: first step to move email syntax as a pref instead of an hardcoded value
luciash : good improvement on css, but shouldn;t there also be a space in the tpl?
marclaporte: sorry, didn't check tpl
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r18410 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [FIX] 1-Reduce height of iframe to avoid scrolling, 2-Add anchor so after sending email test, use is sent to same place.