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[00:11] <clicc> hi all - my tiki installation seems to be really slow
[00:11] <clicc> I've painstakingly tracked it down from tiki-index.php
[00:12] <clicc> and found out that the inclusion of plugins is generally slow
[00:12] <clicc> in particular, the trackers
[00:12] <clicc> I have under 400 items, one tracker w/ approx only 8 fields
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[00:13] <clicc> inside tiki-trackerlist.tpl, I output the times it takes to load the data (w/ a max of 100 item view and pagination)
[00:14] <clicc> and its showing me that the template is actually taking all of the time that I was suspecting, approximately 8 seconds+ (to 15 seconds sometimes)
[00:14] <clicc> is this normal?
[00:20] <mohd7590> anyone here
[00:20] <mohd7590> hello
[00:20] <clicc> hi
[00:20] <mohd7590> hi
[00:20] <mohd7590> tooo
[00:20] <mohd7590> can i use tikiwiki for story archiving
[00:20] <mohd7590> ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[00:20] <mohd7590> ?????
[00:21] <mohd7590> anyone here have tikiwiki site
[00:21] <mohd7590> they can let me see
[00:21] <clicc> what do you mean?
[00:21] <clicc> story archiving?
[00:21] <mohd7590> 5HELLO
[00:21] <mohd7590> 5like fanfiction.net
[00:21] <mohd7590> 5and stuff
[00:22] <mohd7590> 5like efiction software
[00:22] <clicc> I see
[00:22] <clicc> my guess is yes
[00:22] <mohd7590> 5Ok
[00:22] <clicc> what do you want to be able to do?
[00:22] <clicc> have people log in
[00:22] <clicc> and create their stories?
[00:22] <mohd7590> 5yes
[00:22] <mohd7590> 5people upload or post stories
[00:22] <clicc> yeah totally
[00:22] <mohd7590> 5people read them and leave reviews
[00:23] <mohd7590> 5and other stuff
[00:23] <clicc> if you decide to use tikiwiki though..
[00:23] <mohd7590> 5yes
[00:23] <mohd7590> 5>>>>>>>>>>>>>
[00:23] <clicc> I have a warning - there may be multiple ways to do what you want
[00:23] <mohd7590> 5go on
[00:23] <mohd7590> 5ok
[00:23] <clicc> so you'll have to read up on the features
[00:23] <clicc> to figure out which is the one more suited for what you want
[00:24] <clicc> for example, you can create the archive via articles, wiki pages, forums, etc..
[00:24] <clicc> blogs even..
[00:24] <mohd7590> 5damn
[00:24] <mohd7590> 5confusing
[00:24] <clicc> I haven't messed with the rating system, but I'm sure they should work
[00:24] <mohd7590> 5maybe i can use it for personel
[00:24] <mohd7590> 5use
[00:24] <mohd7590> 5like post pictures
[00:25] <mohd7590> 5my own files and stuff
[00:25] <clicc> yeah maybe
[00:25] <mohd7590> 5?????
[00:25] <mohd7590> 5can I
[00:25] <clicc> I dunno - I don't think there's much that it CAN'T do
[00:25] <mohd7590> 5HAHAHAHA
[00:25] <mohd7590> 5LOL
[00:25] <mohd7590> 5oh well are u one of the developers
[00:25] <clicc> its just that you'll have to be prepared to tweakthings and the learning curve is a bit steep
[00:25] <clicc> nope
[00:25] <mohd7590> 5yeah i guess
[00:26] <mohd7590> 5u got a site like that
[00:26] <mohd7590> 5can i see
[00:26] <clicc> yeah, I'm using it as an intranet
[00:26] <clicc> company intranet
[00:26] <mohd7590> 5can i get link
[00:26] <mohd7590> 5or something
[00:26] <clicc> nah sorry, its an intranet :P not accessible outside
[00:26] <mohd7590> 5oh
[00:26] <clicc> but I read
[00:26] <mohd7590> 5my bad read wrong
[00:26] <clicc> that mozilla uses tikiwiki
[00:26] <clicc> firefox ..dev site I think?
[00:26] <mohd7590> 5i heard it sucked if there is a lot of stuff
[00:27] <mohd7590> 5try this site
[00:27] <mohd7590> 5wc4.fanficlinks.com/fanfiction
[00:27] <mohd7590> 5uses Tikiwiki
[00:27] <mohd7590> 5a lot of information and file download
[00:27] <mohd7590> 5s
[00:27] <clicc> o damn
[00:27] <clicc> yea
[00:27] <clicc> haha
[00:27] <mohd7590> 5the site is so slow
[00:28] <mohd7590> 5goes to maientaince
[00:28] <clicc> I think b/c they have a lot of features turned on
[00:28] <mohd7590> 5page
[00:28] <mohd7590> 5what you think of it
[00:28] <mohd7590> 5they guy that owns it
[00:28] <mohd7590> 5contacted the developers
[00:28] <clicc> where's the page?
[00:28] <mohd7590> 5and guess what there excuse was
[00:28] <mohd7590> 5what page?
[00:28] <clicc> you said go to the maintenance?
[00:28] <clicc> nvm
[00:29] <clicc> what did they say
[00:29] <mohd7590> 5i mean if a lot of people are using it
[00:29] <mohd7590> 5it goes there
[00:29] <mohd7590> 5they said they never thought some many people will use it
[00:29] <mohd7590> 5and it will be that big
[00:29] <mohd7590> 5well they said something like that
[00:29] <mohd7590> 5not surfe
[00:29] <mohd7590> 5sure*
[00:29] <clicc> I see
[00:30] <mohd7590> 5its good though
[00:30] <clicc> the only instance I nkow of in which its true
[00:30] <mohd7590> 5I love it
[00:30] <clicc> are the trackers
[00:30] <mohd7590> 5i just think that it is a bit slow
[00:30] <clicc> it even says on tikiwiki dev site
[00:30] <clicc> or..doc site
[00:30] <mohd7590> 5i guess
[00:30] <mohd7590> 5ooh well later
[00:30] <clicc> that its not meant for a couple thousand items
[00:30] <mohd7590> 5I love the software though
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[00:43] <Tikiwiki|bot>  New Forum Posts: Slow Smarty Template for tiki-trackerlist.tpl - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=32969
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[00:44] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: [FIX] add_help : probabily a typo, allow add_help to set the alt text of the
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[03:02] <marclaporte> polom
[03:05] <btiffin> marclaporte, I missed out again.  Hope you had a good event...
[03:07] <marclaporte> it was great
[03:08] <marclaporte> popcorn is popping
[03:08] <btiffin> ;)
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[09:50] <jonnyb> relevant time-based greetings to all!
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[10:31] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r18675 10/branches/3.0/lib/smarty_tiki/function.icon.php: [FIX] Put back incorrectly deleted global $tikipath (thanks SylvieG)
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[10:35] <Skyriderz> Howdy, again :D
[10:41] <jonnyb> hi
[10:43] <Skyriderz> I fully assume I can use the theme on esforces.com for the wiki style/theme, right?
[10:46] <Skyriderz> ^_^
[10:53] <Skyriderz> jonnyb ?
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[10:55] <chibaguy> polom
[10:55] <jonnyb> polom chibaguy - Skyriderz is asking about using a theme somewhere ("I fully assume I can use the theme on esforces.com for the wiki style/theme, right?")
[10:56] <jonnyb> i would say "assume makes an ass out of u and me" ;)
[10:56] <jonnyb> what is esforces.com? (never heard of it)
[10:57] <chibaguy> Skyriderz: the themes in the Tiki package and at mods.tw.o are all free to use - LGPL, GPL or Creative Commons Attribution license.
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[10:59] <vkumar> hi gary.. how r u ?
[11:00] <Skyriderz> I meant the theme on esforces.com, the style its using :p
[11:01] <vkumar> {wiki}{literal}{MODULE(module=>wiki_last_comments)/}{/literal}{/wiki} fixed my problem.
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[11:01] <vkumar> thanks a lot for that
[11:02] <chibaguy> Skyriderz: if the theme has a public license, you'd be free to use it. But if not, probably not.
[11:02] <chibaguy> I doubt if esforces.com wants their site cloned.
[11:02] <Skyriderz> :s
[11:02] <Skyriderz> I have total control over the site ^_^
[11:03] <chibaguy> well, ok, then. :-)
[11:03] <Skyriderz> I wish to use it for wiki.esforces.com :p
[11:03] <Skyriderz> Though I suck at css
[11:03] <chibaguy> that could be a problem
[11:03] <Skyriderz> I tried looking for some tutorials, even on the themes website..
[11:03] <chibaguy> vkumar: I'm glad it worked. :-)
[11:03] <Skyriderz> but that seemed to be in a complete different language.
[11:04] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r18676 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-admin-include-login.tpl: [MOD] Added warning message if feature_clear_passwords = y (admin_security already lists this if on)
[11:05] <vkumar> ok gary.. :( time to leave.. Bye catch you later
[11:05] <chibaguy> in tiki 3, ways to do themes are different and easier. should be some docs coming pretty soon.
[11:05] <chibaguy> but, still ,you need to know the basics of css, etc.
[11:06] <Skyriderz> I suppose I had in mind to learn when attempting to clone the site to the wiki.
[11:06] <Skyriderz> :p
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[11:06] <chibaguy> yeah, it should be possible.
[11:08] <luciash> huh, why do we have grey folder icons in strasa default now ?
[11:08] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18677 10/mods/trunk/goodies/batch_clean_structure/batch_clean_structure.php: some more messages
[11:11] <luciash> hi chibaguy 
[11:13] <chibaguy> hi luciash
[11:13] <chibaguy> it wasn't me. i didn't touch those icons. ;-)
[11:13] <luciash> it wasn't me either, i promised to not touch tiki code until release ;)
[11:16] <jonnyb> hello - grey folder icons...?
[11:16] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: 03awolfff * r18678 10/branches/3.0/lang/de/language.php: [ENH] Translations and date format
[11:16] <jonnyb> ik - looks like me (again)
[11:18] <luciash> jonnyb: heh, thanks for the theme option support for them but yes, my default strasa shows the grey ones now on the blue background
[11:18] <jonnyb> that's bizarre - the mono ones have gone! (sure it was eclipse/svn conspiracy - i did have some odd updates - must have messed it up though - fixing now)
[11:18] <luciash> dunno, maybe i have to clear cache again ? hmmm
[11:18] <luciash> but i see that on tw.o too
[11:19] <jonnyb> no, it's real - (on my local working copy)
[11:24] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r18679 10/branches/3.0/styles/strasa/pics/icons/ (folder.png ofolder.png): [FIX] Restore blue folder icons for strasa default
[11:25] <chibaguy> is there a module parameter like theme=tikipedia.css, to display a module only when that theme is used?
[11:26] <jonnyb> chibaguy: not sdeen one
[11:26] <jonnyb> sdeen=seen
[11:26] <luciash> jonnyb: thank you
[11:26] <luciash> jonnyb: did you restore to my transparent modifications ?
[11:26] <jonnyb> hmmm - N steps forward N*K steps back...
[11:27] <luciash> chibaguy: yes
[11:27] <jonnyb> um... not sure - i took them from trunk (my copy)
[11:27] <chibaguy> I was hoping to do the tikipedia "toolbox" as a regular module instead of special tpl file but don't want it appearing with other themes.
[11:27] <luciash> chibaguy: yes, it is there
[11:27] <jonnyb> luciash: yes, transparent blue ones
[11:28] <luciash> jonnyb: phew, thanks :)
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[11:30] <jonnyb> the odd thing now is that the options/mono/pics dir is missing from the repo, but my local copy says they're already there (so i can't commit it) - definitely something gone screwy with my svn...
[11:30] <mib_oefp3i> hi,i have small doubts,i have installed tikiwiki properly.now i want to change the server.should do the work from scratch or i transfer it.or least can i transfer userids file to new server.please help me 
[11:31] <chibaguy> ah, ok, thanks. now, if there was a wiki_page=y to only display on wiki pages, that'd be great. ;-)
[11:31] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r18680 10/branches/3.0/styles/strasa/options/warm/: [KIL] Remove unused option dir
[11:32] <luciash> chibaguy: it's there
[11:33] <chibaguy> woohoo, is that the syntax?
[11:33] <mib_oefp3i> am i clear ???:(
[11:33] <luciash> chibaguy: &section=
[11:34] <chibaguy> mib_oefp3i, you can dump and restore the database, I believe.
[11:34] <chibaguy> ah
[11:34] <luciash> mib_oefp3i: no problem just export your db and move the files
[11:35] <luciash> chibaguy: tiki-admin_modules.php hover the Parameters ;)
[11:35] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r18681 10/branches/3.0/styles/strasa/options/mono/pics/ (6 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] Replace missing grey icons (in the right place this time)
[11:36] <jonnyb> gottago - more tomorrow!
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[11:38] <chibaguy> hmm I just get "Help link" in an empty popup....
[11:41] <chibaguy> but went to the doc.tw.o link... and it's working :-)
[11:42] <luciash> chibaguy: just hover it, it's in the tooltip
[11:42] <luciash> any idea why on tiki-searchresults.php the "Date Search:" is rendered twice in Opera ?
[11:43] <chibaguy> I tried, and got the box, but only a title in it.
[11:44] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18682 10/branches/3.0/templates/ (tiki-edit_help.tpl tiki-searchresults.tpl): [MOD] homogenize add_help message with a click here
[11:45] <chibaguy> anyway, tikipedia for tiki3 is getting pretty close.
[11:45] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: 03awolfff * r18683 10/branches/3.0/lang/de/language.php: [ENH] Translation
[11:46] <chibaguy> less non-standard code that in the previous version, and more flexible layouts, etc.
[11:49] <sylvieg> I am lost there are help buttone that give a blue popup with title and content - and there are - same icons that give a shadow popup ...
[11:49] <sylvieg> which one is the best?
[11:52] <chibaguy> luciash, i get that in the Milkyway theme I'm working on, but no other themes.
[11:53] <chibaguy> sylvieg, I'd ask jonnyb, but I'm not getting very good results in popups right now.
[11:53] <chibaguy> checking module parameters, i got a brown popup with only "Help link" title but no content.
[11:53] <chibaguy> (was hover over ? icon)
[11:54] <luciash> chibaguy: i get that in STrasa
[11:55] <luciash> sylvieg: what popups ?
[11:55] <chibaguy> hm, I just checked and was ok (but my svn may be several hours old)
[11:55] <mib_oefp3i> thanks for suggestion i will try
[11:56] <sylvieg> luciash I sent a message on the cvs list .... ;-) 
[11:56] <sylvieg> perhaps a little storm ...
[11:56] <luciash> chibaguy: i get no pop-up in my Opera when i click the "Parameters" string on Admin > Modules
[11:57] <luciash> chibaguy: only the overlib tooltip with hint of possible parameters
[11:57] <luciash> chibaguy: on hover
[11:57] <luciash> sylvieg: heh
[11:57] <chibaguy> yeah, luciash, I only tried hover
[11:59] <luciash> ah, does it change when the jQuery tooltip is on ?
[11:59] <chibaguy> sorry, it was a blue popup on admin modules - title but no content
[11:59] <chibaguy> I have jquery on
[12:00] <luciash> i have jquery off maybe
[12:01] <luciash> no, i have jquery on too
[12:01] <chibaguy> with jquery off, I get a "?" "popup character" when hovering over the "?" icon, in opera (not very helpful ;-) )
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[12:02] <luciash> goddamnit i thought help is optional feature on Features too ?
[12:02] <chibaguy> oh, the character is the help cursor
[12:03] <luciash> i have JQuery Tooltips on too, so i wonder why i get the old "overlib" tooltip style, while you say you get the "jquery Tooltip"
[12:04] <chibaguy> luciash, i used to be optional iirc
[12:04] <chibaguy> heh, i -> it
[12:04] <chibaguy> (I'm still optional ;-) )
[12:04] <luciash> old "overlib" i mean the blue-violet background tooltip
[12:05] <luciash> chibaguy: do i understand correctly that you see the jQuery tooltip with dark blue title bar and then the tooltip content ?
[12:06] <luciash> chibaguy: where was the checkbox to enable/disable Help ?
[12:06] <chibaguy> strasa-like colors, dark blue/light blue, and a shadow. that's jquery?
[12:06] <luciash> i just want to test how Tiki goes without it ;)
[12:06] <luciash> chibaguy: yes
[12:07] <luciash> chibaguy: found the checkbox on tiki-admin.php?page=general
[12:08] <chibaguy> ah, right. I just found it there in tiki 2. (was checking back)
[12:08] <luciash> this is funny, feature_help disabled, still i get the Help icon on tiki-searchresults.php :-p
[12:09] <sylvieg> I thought feature_help was only for link to doc.tw
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[12:10] <luciash> sylvieg: now thanks to your change i get "Help: Click Here" as the title of shadowbox fullscreen help for Advanced Search from there :-p
[12:10] <sylvieg> hehe 
[12:10] <sylvieg> :-)
[12:10] <luciash> sylvieg: yes, but it shouldn't... it should be optional too i think
[12:11] <sylvieg> 1) we have to choose between the {add_help} and the blue popup
[12:12] <sylvieg> 2) I think like in advanced search , it must be something that stays in the window - I want to type my quey and see the help at the same time
[12:12] <luciash> sylvieg: can you rollbax/fix ? even funnier is when i open the help tool on the top right and i click the fullscreen expand icon, i get "Help: Help: Click Here"
[12:12] <luciash> :-p
[12:14] <awolff> Hi, I just found a works-for-me solution on this:
[12:14] <awolff> http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=2435
[12:14] <awolff> Can anybody give advise whether it is worth checking in?
[12:15] <luciash> sylvieg: i don't know where the blue popup goes but maybe for these little icons when not linking to doc.tw.o for short help it could work
[12:16] <luciash> awolff: solution for what ?
[12:16] <sylvieg> (but I really spent 30mn yesterday evening to try to debug why the ? in advanced search was not giving a popup....)
[12:16] <awolff> the following bug: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=2435
[12:18] <luciash> sylvieg: i haven't seen this icon anywhere else than in the Search Results page, where else is it used ?
[12:18] <sylvieg> and with contribution - I have a 3- popup - a purple one...
[12:19] <luciash> !bug 2435
[12:19] <chibaguy> awolff, looks like a good idea to make that change.
[12:19] <sylvieg> help in contribution when editing  a page - help in admin->modules params
[12:19] <Tikiwiki|bot> Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc Channel. TikiWiki or better known as TW, is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution, you can get more infomation at http://info.tikiwiki.org/ .
[12:20] <chibaguy> ....and help in #tikiwiki ;-)
[12:20] <awolff> chibaguy: do you understand that behaviour?
[12:20] <luciash> sylvieg: i have only the old overlib tooltip in admin->modules params
[12:20] <luciash> sylvieg: i'll test the contribution (must enable it first)
[12:20] <sylvieg> this is fun :-)
[12:21] <chibaguy> no, I don't really understand why it would make a difference.
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[12:21] <awolff> chibaguy: if the margin is em I do not get the file dialog, if it is in px I get it.
[12:21] <luciash> sylvieg: can you roll back the Click Here change until we find another solution ? this is not good change imho to break the "Advanced Search" title
[12:22] <chibaguy> apparently some browser quirk, or something not obvious. But the change should be made, I think.
[12:22] <sylvieg> in fact Iwas trying to roll back to a consistent behavior - but it is so messy
[12:22] <reno-> hello
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[12:23] <reno-> I hav a problem with a [reply to] link in a mail generated by a forum
[12:23] <reno-> is it the good place to talk about?
[12:24] <luciash> sylvieg: where the heck is this feature switched on ? i search for it on Admin > Wiki > Features :-p
[12:24] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18684 10/branches/3.0/templates/ (tiki-edit_help.tpl tiki-searchresults.tpl): rollback 18682
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[12:24] <luciash> reno-: yes
[12:24] <luciash> sylvieg: thx
[12:24] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: 03awolfff * r18685 10/branches/2.0/styles/thenews.css: [FIX] bug 2435: File galeries did not present an upload dialogue if the margin is in "em". (Firefox 3.0.10)
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[12:24] <sylvieg> contribution? admin->features
[12:25] <luciash> sylvieg: ah, fine, i thought it's wiki only feature
[12:26] <reno-> the problem is the replyto link which had two slash after the domain name : eg : http://tapemovie.org//tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=36#form
[12:27] <luciash> reno-: what's the problem ? the link works
[12:27] <reno-> so the link is right, but when I click on [post] after typing an answer, the adress is http://tiki-view_forum_thread.php/ and I loose my answer
[12:28] <chibaguy> awolff: good catch. :-)
[12:28] <sylvieg> in admin->modules->user modules - it is also iverlib
[12:28] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: 03awolfff * r18686 10/branches/3.0/styles/thenews.css: [FIX] !bug 2435: File galeries did not present an upload dialogue if the margin is in "em". (Firefox 3.0.10)
[12:28] <awolff> chibaguy: I took out one element after the other until I found this ... 
[12:28] <reno-> I hope I'm clear
[12:29] <luciash> reno-: ah, you can workaround it if you use apache rewrite rules... i have no idea where the extra slash comes from now
[12:29] <chibaguy> awolff: I feel your pain. ;-)
[12:30] <reno-> Maybe I could try to use [apache rewrite rules] ... is it a complicated task?
[12:31] <luciash> sylvieg: i'm on tiki-admin_contribution.php and see no help icon
[12:31] <luciash> reno-: for a newbie ? yes :)
[12:32] <chibaguy> awolff: the other themes are ok, i just checked.
[12:32] <reno-> ok... thank for the help ... 
[12:32] <sylvieg> activate contribution for wiki - and edit a page
[12:32] <sylvieg> you have also the overlib popup in admin->modules->user modules
[12:34] <awolff> chibaguy: I was wondering that at other places the css uses em-margins as well, not sure about the implications ...
[12:34] <reno-> <luciash> you think it will be useful to add an entry in the bug tracker?
[12:35] <awolff> Is there a way to synchronise a menu with contents of the middle? I.e. the menu item that is related to the contents is always selected/highlighted?
[12:36] <chibaguy> margins in ems are pretty common, afaik, and not usually a problem.
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[12:39] <chibaguy> tiki's menu system gives a class to the link that's selected (about the synchronizing), which can be styled, like bold or italic or whatever
[12:41] <sylvieg> awolff: more or less
[12:41] <awolff> Can it automatically open the menu tree depending on the contents in the middle?
[12:41] <sylvieg> yes
[12:41] <sylvieg> in 3
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[12:41] <awolff> Should I just read the manual or where can I find more about this?
[12:43] <luciash> reno-: search for it if it wasn't filed yet and yes, if you add you have more chances for replies from other devs as well
[12:43] <sylvieg> doc.tw is again dead for me ... it should be in module admin page...
[12:43] <luciash> reno-: maybe it was already fixed in recent Tiki code, i have no clue now
[12:44] <reno-> luciash : ok, I will hav a look . Tx
[12:44] <reno-> I'm interested too about the class of the item menu actually selected. Where could I found some exemple bout? or the class name?
[12:45] <sylvieg> sept_7 seems to be in very bad mood
[12:46] <chibaguy> you could use firefox and firebug add-on to check the classes in the page. there aren't docs, really, afaik.
[12:46] <sylvieg> still waiting sunce 2 mn doc.tw to come up...
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[12:47] <awolff> doc.tw is fine here
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[12:49] <luciash> reno-: try Firefox Firebug or Web Developer extension... it will tell you exactly the class name
[12:49] <chibaguy> I've had mixed results with doc.tw.o in the last few hours
[12:50] <luciash> oops, sorry, chibaguy already told it :)
[12:50] <sylvieg>  {menu id=n menu_cookie=n} must eb used
[12:50] <sylvieg> luciash: do you really want a shadow box for advanced search?
[12:50] <sylvieg> I will prefre to have a box open in the page
[12:51] <sylvieg> because I want to see the documentation when I type a query...
[12:51] <luciash> sylvieg: you have the big help icon on the right top
[12:52] <luciash> the little one is just quick help tip
[12:52] <sylvieg> so perhaps we can delete the little ?
[12:52] <luciash> yes, maybe but maybe better would be link to doc.tw.o as it is for all the others
[12:53] <luciash> i didn't get exactly why this was special and different
[12:53] <sylvieg> I agree for a link to doc.tw
[12:54] <luciash> i didn't see a point of having two icons on the page displaying the same thing
[12:55] <sylvieg> +1
[12:55] <sylvieg> and in fact the little ? should be on the page title
[12:55] <luciash> i think the {add help} with show="y" would be useful when the big help icon tool was optional and user could choose which one to display
[12:56] <sylvieg> +1 too
[12:56] <luciash> you can keep it there if it's only the Advanced checkbox related
[12:56] <luciash> link to doc.tw.o
[12:56] <luciash> if it's global help for search, then on title of course
[12:58] <reno-> luciash : tx for the firebug tip
[13:00] <awolff> Is there a possibillity for a user to apply for membership in a group which gets aproved by a "group admin"?
[13:01] <luciash> reno-: thanks to chibaguy i started using it too :)
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[13:03] <chibaguy> it is kind of a heavy resource user, but is a good tool.
[13:03] <luciash> chibaguy: do you use dragonfly for Opera too ?
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[13:05] <chibaguy> i tried it but it seemed awkward to use. anyway, gotta eat now. will be back soon.
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[13:12] <luciash> bbl too
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[13:14] <sylvieg> interesting the login bar on doc.tw.org is not working on IE7
[13:18] <luciash> re :)
[13:19] <luciash> interesting i get no theme when choosing Site Default :-p
[13:19] <luciash> on my local 3.0
[13:20] <sylvieg> I remember I got this when my site default had a old theme
[13:20] * luciash goes to check what theme is set as default
[13:21] <luciash> hmm, it should be strasa
[13:21] * luciash re-applying it and going to clear cache again, logout and switch to default again to see
[13:24] <luciash> ok, logged out, changed to thenews, changed to site default and it's plain xhtml again :-/
[13:24] <luciash> it's broken, bueheheheh :-p
[13:25] <luciash> btw, yay, thanks someone fixed the CODE plugin renders <?php echo "foo"; ?> properly again with colors=php !
[13:27] <Floh1111> hi, hast tikiwiki something like a versioneering system for file- and imagegalleries? I want to get something like "three new images since..." or file changed... like the functions get_page_info and get_page_history... not for pages but for imagegalleries and filegalleries
[13:29] <ChadDa3mon> Did something change for collapsible sections between beta 4 and RC1?
[13:29] <ChadDa3mon> it seems broken in RC1
[13:29] <sylvieg> but if I try to delete the little help in search result - the big help disappears too
[13:30] <luciash> sylvieg: don't delete it ! only set show='n'
[13:30] <sylvieg> thanks
[13:30] <luciash> and put it under
[13:30] <luciash> or nope, leave it there in place, just set show='n'
[13:31] <luciash> in case JS is off it will render there though (you can try)
[13:31] <luciash> and put the help link icon on title
[13:40] <ChadDa3mon> For Collapsible sections, I can't get the [+] and the section title on the same line
[13:40] <ChadDa3mon> it worked in beta 4
[13:40] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18687 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-searchresults.tpl: [FIX]search: help on the title to the doc + take away the little help near advanced search - as redundant with the big help + some label and classes for styling like find.tpl
[13:44] * sylvieg likes the new big help button
[13:52] <thunder_dex> height:50px;padding-top:2px;
[13:53] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r18688 10/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [MOD] button: deploy button in comment-footer + Fix button plugin with _auto_args param + add _anchor param in query plugin + deploy auto_query_args in tiki-index.php (thks nyloth)
[13:55] <reno-> I have just try with firebug to know the name of the class of the active item in the menu, but all the item hav the same class : horbaritem
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[13:56] <chibaguy> sylvieg: I think when doc.tw.o is updated, the login will work in IE7. I did a commit several hours ago to prevent tiki-top custom code div from overlapping the log in form.
[13:56] <sylvieg> ah ok - thx chibaguy
[13:59] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r18689 10/branches/3.0/styles/darkroom.css: fix the top right corner login box location, was not visible
[13:59] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r18690 10/branches/3.0/styles/tikinewt.css: fix the top right corner login box location, was not visible
[14:00] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r18691 10/trunk/ (templates/tiki-show_calendar.tpl tiki-show_calendar.php): [KIL] show_calendar: remove some obviously unused files
[14:03] <reno-> chibaguy : could you give me a theme's name which have a the active class for menu's item?
[14:06] <luciash> reno-: you have to switch from using PHPLayerMenus to CSS menus to have this "current item" i think but maybe i'm wrong
[14:06] <chibaguy> reno-: strasa does, if you're using suckerfish menus.
[14:08] <reno-> luciash : I will hav a look in admin panel
[14:08] <reno-> chibaguy : I will try it
[14:08] <luciash> huh ??? who changed the logo on dev.tw.o now ? :-/
[14:08] <chibaguy> reno-: it's li.selected.
[14:08] <luciash> how can i know it's dev site now from the logo ?
[14:08] <chibaguy> the url?
[14:09] <luciash> i mean at first sight
[14:11] <chibaguy> you're right, luciash, it needs "dev" on there somewhere.
[14:11] <chibaguy> and why the bland color there also?
[14:11] <luciash> and there should be full project name imho, it's not just about Tiki release :-\
[14:12] <luciash> bland ?
[14:12] <chibaguy> the white header bg
[14:12] <reno-> chibaguy : ok, good !!
[14:12] <chibaguy> I thought it could be dark blue
[14:13] <chibaguy> reno-: you can check at http://zukakakina.com/tw3/ if you like. css menu is used there.
[14:13] <luciash> i thought it too but MatWho complained it's too distracting
[14:14] <chibaguy> hard to come to agreement on subjective things.
[14:15] <luciash> amette: svn up dev.tw.o pls
[14:15] <chibaguy> I was going to say 'just look at sourceforge' (example of colored top bar) then I saw http://sourceforge.net/
[14:15] <chibaguy> is matwho involved in that site, by any chance? ;-) 
[14:16] <luciash> not at all i think ;)
[14:16] <luciash> but the rest is black header, right ?
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[14:16] <luciash> on sf.net
[14:17] <chibaguy> yeah, that's true.
[14:17] <chibaguy> and people can handle it ok.
[14:17] <chibaguy> i mean colored header bars are so common on the net, people probably hardly notice them.
[14:18] <chibaguy> i don't think there's any danger of them being a distraction.
[14:18] <luciash> sure, i agree it can be useful for the doc.tw.o but not necessary for dev.tw.o
[14:19] <chibaguy> yeah, I thought so too.
[14:20] <luciash> revolution ? ;)
[14:20] <luciash> just joking ;)
[14:21] <chibaguy> well, maybe after the craziness of the release, this can be talked about some more.
[14:21] <luciash> but i haven't seen any discussion to replace with that logo on dev.tw.o :-\
[14:22] <chibaguy> no...
[14:22] <luciash> i'd agree if it wasn't that much different (no Tiki Wiki+CMS+Gr)
[14:23] <chibaguy> I don't understand why there's no indication that it's the dev site.
[14:24] <luciash> it's in the SItetitle but it's invisible due to the white text on white background :-P
[14:24] <chibaguy> oh
[14:25] <chibaguy> that's the title color we talked about here, right?
[14:25] <luciash> it's fixed i think, just needs svn up
[14:25] <luciash> right
[14:26] <chibaguy> ok, at least for that part
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[14:26] <chibaguy> that logo is also way too wide, imo.
[14:27] <chibaguy> the image includes a lot of white space to the right
[14:27] <luciash> i'll rollback to the previous logo just without the "grafitti text" as seen here i think → http://info.tikiwiki.org/Fact+Sheet
[14:27] <chibaguy> or was the idea to center the site title text?
[14:28] <amette> luciash: dev is svn up
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[14:28] <luciash> amette: great ! thx
[14:28] <MartinCleaver> mornin' all
[14:28] <Yoni_> hi all
[14:29] <luciash> hi guys
[14:29] <Yoni_> konishuwa, ahoj, hallo
[14:29] <chibaguy> morning, MartinCleaver (and it is almost morning here ;-) ) 
[14:29] <MartinCleaver> :)
[14:29] <amette> luciash: errr.... I upped doc.tw.o... :P
[14:29] <chibaguy> konnichiwa, Yoni_
[14:29] <amette> let me do dev now ;)
[14:29] <amette> hi all :)
[14:29] <luciash> amette: oops :D
[14:30] <Yoni_> (which category best for Nominate Tiki for the 2009 Community Choice Awards ?)
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[14:31] <luciash> Yoni_: i voted for best project and the last one
[14:32] <MartinCleaver> Interesting - checking the logs, my revision (svn 18659) didn't get announced by CIA-46 in the IRC channel
[14:33] <luciash> MartinCleaver: sometimes it happens
[14:33] <MartinCleaver> ah, ok.
[14:33] <MartinCleaver> shame, it was my first tiki commit!
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[14:36] <Yoni_> k
[14:36] <CIAbaguy> Revision: 18659            http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/tikiwiki/?rev=18659&view=rev  Author:   mrjc  Date:     2009-05-11 20:52:37 +0000 (Mon, 11 May 2009)    Log Message:  -----------  [FIX] plugin editor was discarding parameters not listed in module_info (jonnyb, ?\194?\160as discussed on IRC with nkoth, please help to review. Thanks)
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[14:36] <luciash> LOL
[14:37] <chibaguy> A little late and not the real bot, but....
[14:41] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18692 10/branches/3.0/lib/structures/structlib.php: backport from trunk - to have the batch_structure working
[14:41] <MartinCleaver> heh, thanks chibaguy ;)
[14:41] <chibaguy> sure, and congratulations :-)
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[14:43] <Tikiwiki|bot>  Recent Bug: Tracker item: #29 - articles home page - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=29
[14:44] <Tikiwiki|bot>  Recent Bug: Tracker item: #30 - link into chat messages - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=30
[14:44] <Tikiwiki|bot>  Recent Bug: Tracker item: #31 - Renderproblem"?" - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=31
[14:45] <amette> luciash: dev is svnup
[14:45] <sylvieg> thx amette
[14:47] <Yoni_> I know it is not really a tiki event even if we are talking about 3.0 version.... i'm gonna be dad for the third time. :)
[14:48] <amette> yw
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[14:48] <amette> hey, cool - congrats Yoni_ :D
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[14:49] <Yoni_> tks... now we have drums, guitar, bass, voice... i'll had to work for sax and keyboard :)
[14:49] <amette> hehe ;)
[14:51] <nkoth3> hmm, maybe I shouldn't have tried to clear the caches...
[14:51] <nkoth3> amette: is it normal that it takes a long time to clear the caches on doc.tw.o?
[14:51] <sylvieg> congrats Yoni_
[14:52] <amette> nkoth3: hmmm.... dunno... it's been a long time that I did that...
[14:53] <amette> there's not much load on the machine - it should all work well...
[14:53] <nkoth3> let me restart my browser and see if it helps
[14:54] <amette> hmm, ok..
[14:54] <nkoth3> ok, the images are back
[14:54] <amette> huh, images?
[14:54] <nkoth3> someone must have svn updated earlier?
[14:54] <amette> yup
[14:54] <amette> just a couple of minutes ago
[14:55] <nkoth3> without a preferences cache clear, the images will not show, coz img plugin is enabled by default (bu tin the pref)
[14:55] <luciash> what the hell
[14:55] <amette> aaaah, ok..
[14:55] <luciash> i enabled img wiki plugin on dev.tw.o and got huuuuge list of disabled 
[14:55] <luciash> :-p
[14:55] <nkoth3> same reason.
[14:56] <nkoth3> because preferences are cached
[14:56] <luciash> aaaah :)
[14:56] <nkoth3> so you are still running on old preferences....
[14:56] <nkoth3> when you set it
[14:56] <nkoth3> it still not know the existence of the new ones (unless you cleared cache between the svn update and your setting)
[14:57] <luciash> damn, so what plugins should i enable back from the list now :-p
[14:58] <nkoth3> there should not be any effect 
[14:58] <luciash> all of them i suppose .)
[14:58] <nkoth3> the disabling is for the inline setting for the plugin, not for the plugin itself
[14:58] <luciash> all of the ones which were disabled
[14:58] <luciash> aaaaaaah
[14:59] <luciash> you're right, sorry i missed that "wikiplugininline"
[14:59] <luciash> i have read that as "wikiplugin" :)
[14:59] <nkoth3> right, that was why I asked you yesterday if that was changable
[14:59] <nkoth3> because I realized it could be confused
[15:00] <nkoth3> but translating so many is .... well a lot
[15:00] <luciash> :)
[15:01] <nkoth3> amette: did you svn update dev also? - should clear the preferences cache also
[15:02] <luciash> nkoth3: i was talking about dev.tw.o
[15:02] <nkoth3> oh right
[15:02] <nkoth3> sorry
[15:03] <chibaguy> Yoni_: congratulations! (I just got back to the keyboard.)
[15:03] <luciash> Yoni_: yeah, great
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[15:04] <Yoni_> Ah ah ! who's the man ! (wife is out !)
[15:05] <luciash> *g*
[15:06] <chibaguy> :-)
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[15:16] <chibaguy> The logo is a bit too tall for the bg at http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php, or should be less padding above it.
[15:16] <chibaguy> the logo's text is cut off at bottom (well, looking in opera, anyway)
[15:16] <luciash> chibaguy: read the mails :-\
[15:17] <chibaguy> uh, yeah, I did
[15:20] <chibaguy> if the results were fantastic, I wouldn't be bothered so much by the process, but... sorry, but doc.tw.o looks quite unprofessional to me right now.... 
[15:20] * luciash unfortunatelly agrees
[15:20] <chibaguy> looks like random placement of objects in the header area
[15:21] <chibaguy> and no real design on the rest of the page, just a mix of stuff
[15:22] <chibaguy> i don't know if patrick is laughing or crying (compare to original strasa design).
[15:22] * Yoni_ agree too, very nice idea but need serious finishing on doc
[15:24] <luciash> i suggested use only the logo without any text something like we have on profiles.tw.o and add the sitetitles next to it but apparently it was ignored... :-\
[15:25] <luciash> see http://profiles.tikiwiki.org
[15:26] <chibaguy> if there's concern about appearance, I don't think the horizontal menu up there looks so good; it'd be much cleaner without them. 
[15:26] <luciash> or if we stay with the text in the graphics of the logo it must be TikiWiki (not just Tiki) for the project sites name
[15:26] <chibaguy> either that or coordinate the menu with the other text some way -- alignment, style, something
[15:27] <luciash> chibaguy: yes, i don't speak about the menu, but the logo only
[15:27] <chibaguy> and the boxes down in the page are overdone and make things look too close together. I'd get rid of them and use whitespace.
[15:27] <luciash> chibaguy: on doc.tw.o ?
[15:27] <chibaguy> yep
[15:28] <chibaguy> i mean in the center column
[15:28] <chibaguy> boxes in a box
[15:28] * luciash didn't see the hompage yet
[15:28] * luciash goes to look with his fingers over his eyes
[15:29] <chibaguy> yeah (passing luciash, going over to dev.tw.o) dev is cleaner without the top menu
[15:31] <chibaguy> but you're right about the logo and site title at dev.tw.o - it's repetitive
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[15:33] <luciash> well, it's repetitive because i rolled it back kind of
[15:33] <chibaguy> and as long as I'm ranting, I don't think the left-column bg color and login bg color work very well by themselves. The original dark blue topbar kind of bridged them or somehow made them all ok together...
[15:33] <luciash> i think i give up and change it back and let the others figure out
[15:33] <chibaguy> ...but without the dark blue, the other two look kinda unrelated to me, not so nice.
[15:34] <chibaguy> but just imho, of course.
[15:34] * luciash already wasted lot of time with this here
[15:34] <chibaguy> well, thanks for your efforts.
[15:36] <luciash> dev.tw.o: better ? *g*
[15:39] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r18693 10/trunk/templates/ (modules/mod-login_box.tpl wiki-plugins/error_tracker.tpl): [MOD] deploy button plugin to 2 more templates
[15:40] <chibaguy> well, at least the logo and site title don't repeat so much, but I'm still reading "wiki cms groupware" twice.
[15:41] <luciash> chibaguy: it was a "joke"
[15:41] <chibaguy> oh 
[15:41] <luciash> what about this jok ? :-p
[15:41] <luciash> *joke
[15:41] <chibaguy> (hard to know when people are serious or joking, on this topic ;-) )
[15:41] <SEWilco2> It was a joke joke, I hear hear.
[15:42] <SEWilco2> "Knock, knock."
[15:42] <chibaguy> the original strasa was good, I thought, because it was so simple. color was not a factor at all.
[15:43] <chibaguy> water under the bridge...
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[15:52] <luciash> so the last good looking is tw.o it seems
[15:54] <chibaguy> well, it's my personal favorite, then info.tw.o.
[15:54] <chibaguy> bbl
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[16:29] <ricks99> hi all :)
[16:30] <ricks99> how goes the 3.0 "release"?
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[16:43] <nkoth3> ricks99 : still resolving kinks
[16:47] <ricks99> k. tx
[16:47] <Yoni_> hi rick
[16:48] <ricks99> hi yoni :)
[16:49] <Yoni_> how you are doing ?
[16:49] <ricks99> anxiously awaiting 3.0 :)
[16:49] <Yoni_> :)
[16:50] <MartinCleaver> if I run release.php with --no-tagging and --no-first-update can I trust that it's not going to write back to the repository?
[16:50] <Yoni_> yes i think it will worth it...
[16:51] <amette> aaaah, ok..
[16:51] <MartinCleaver> the code sometimes uses `` & sometimes passthru : calls to svn are not stratified into svntools.php
[16:51] <amette> huh, what? did I say that?
[16:51] <amette> :P
[16:51] * amette is happy not to have pasted any passwords or pr0n-links ;)
[16:52] <Yoni_> lol
[16:52] <ricks99> ** huh... rick's ears just perked up 
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[16:52] <ricks99> :)
[16:53] <amette> *G*
[16:53] <ricks99> just ran svn up, ran new install w/ default profile.... still no logo
[16:54] <ricks99> ** rick really thinks the tw should b in the default profile... looks like something is 'missing'
[16:55] <MartinCleaver> looks like I need --no-secdb too
[16:55] * MartinCleaver is working on this for nkoth3 and would rather not make a mistake on this
[16:57] <nkoth3> ricks99, marclaporte removed the logo, 
[16:57] <nkoth3> I gather you are not on the devel mailing list?
[16:57] <ricks99> y. had talked w/ him yesteday. thought conviced to re-add it, plus some admin only in the custom code 
[16:58] * luciash ranted about bring the logo back too ;)
[16:58] <ricks99> i guess not enuf :)
[16:58] <luciash> i have no more power to rant
[17:00] <nkoth3> so, if we have logo and some thing admin only in the custom code to indicate way to remove it, and also suggest clear cache, seems to me a good idea
[17:01] <luciash> nkoth3: all the ingrediences were already sent to marc, now it's up to you to put them in the cook ;)
[17:01] <ricks99> anyone know why tiki does not honor the %l (lower case "L") for time format
[17:02] <ricks99> php.net/manual/en/function.strftime.php says it is valid
[17:02] <ricks99> is this a tiki problem? or my php?
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[17:14] <nkoth3> luciash: starting the stove...
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[17:30] <sylvieg> ricks99: it is a tw problem
[17:30] <sylvieg> not everything is implemented in the date lib
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[17:41] <ricks99> ah. tx sylvieg
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[17:43] <sylvieg> I think it is lib/pear/Date.php that is incomplete
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[17:53] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: 03pingus * r18694 10/mods/trunk/features/aulawiki/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
[17:53] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: workspaceslib: get_workspace_type_by_id returns an array, not a string wstype.
[17:53] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: mod-workspace_my: corrected an error in hiding workspaces with hyde= 'y'
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[18:17] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18695 10/branches/3.0/lib/structures/structlib.php: [FIX]structure: demote was not updating the pos of the previous brothers (but the pos of the previous uncles)
[18:19] <ChadDa3mon> So I hate being 'that guy' but this collapsible sections thing is iirking me, anyone know if they changed/broke it between beta 4 and RC1?
[18:19] <ChadDa3mon> it's not working like it used to
[18:19] <ChadDa3mon> and it was one of the features I really liked, now I can't show it off to others
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[18:19] <sylvieg> do you have an url?
[18:19] <ChadDa3mon> the [+] is below the section, and much smaller, instead of on the same line
[18:20] <ChadDa3mon> not one you can access from the internet
[18:20] <ChadDa3mon> http://pastebin.com/d698e84f0
[18:20] <ChadDa3mon> thats the code
[18:20] <sylvieg> and what us your theme?
[18:20] <ChadDa3mon> it gives me the section name on one line (in big font) and then a little [+] on the next line
[18:20] <ChadDa3mon> Dark...something
[18:20] <ChadDa3mon> Darkroom
[18:20] <ChadDa3mon> I have a beta4 setup and an RC1 that are pretty identical
[18:21] <sylvieg> I thought it was always on 2 lines
[18:21] <ChadDa3mon> one line on my beta 4 setup, which I thought was normal
[18:21] <ChadDa3mon> if you have an email you don't mind sending me, I can send you screen shots
[18:40] <sylvieg> in tiki2 it was on 2 lines
[18:41] <sylvieg> so what was the version it was on one line?
[18:44] <Tikiwiki|bot>  New Forum Posts: Blog/Wiki crossreference? - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=32979
[18:50] <MartinCleaver> in http://dev.tikiwiki.org/how%2Bto%2Brelease "To make a list of all possible feature_names used in the code"
[18:50] <MartinCleaver> is there a grep that would find these?
[18:51] <MartinCleaver> Assuming nkoth3 wants this done I can do this
[18:57] * MartinCleaver reads up on sec_db
[19:00] <ChadDa3mon> sorry Sylvieg, meeting called
[19:00] <ChadDa3mon> it's 1 line in 3.0b4
[19:00] <ChadDa3mon> !- Hidden Content (click to expand)
[19:00] <ChadDa3mon> gives me:   [+] Hidden Content (click to expand)
[19:05] <sylvieg> there is an option feature_wiki_show_hide_before
[19:05] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: 03mrjc * r18696 10/trunk/doc/devtools/ (release.php tikirelease.sh): release.php now has --no-commit to avoid commit steps and ; tikirelease.sh is more verbose
[19:06] <ChadDa3mon> where's that at?
[19:06] <ChadDa3mon> I don't recognize it, but maybe I came across it and forgot in b4
[19:06] <MartinCleaver> CIA-46 is in action
[19:07] <ChadDa3mon> Think I found it in Admin -> Wiki
[19:07] <ChadDa3mon> A HA, you're a genious
[19:07] <ChadDa3mon> Thank you so much for that, thought I was losing my mind
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[19:19] <MartinCleaver>  18270    sylvieg 		echo color("\nUpload the files on SourceForge.\nInstructions can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/59uubv\n\n", 'cyan');
[19:19] <MartinCleaver>  18481    sylvieg    http://tinyurl.com/59uubv
[19:19] <MartinCleaver> doesn't exist
[19:19] <MartinCleaver> (from release.php)
[19:20] <MartinCleaver> that would be because the whole space has disappeared from SF
[19:20] <nkoth3> MartinCleaver: sourceforge must have moved the page.
[19:20] <nkoth3> can change it later I suppose
[19:23] <sylvieg> ???
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[19:33] <nkoth3> sylvieg: this was a link in the release.php file pointing to sourceforge wiki for instructions on how to upload files to sf
[19:34] <nkoth3> added by you some time back?
[19:34] <sylvieg> question: do we continue to bug fix in 3.0 unitl release - or we have to move now
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[19:34] <nkoth3> sylvieg: what kind of bug?
[19:35] <sylvieg> BLOGLIST has a broken date + muissing sefurl
[19:35] <nkoth3> we are still waitin gfor the 4 profiles to be complete, and the defatult homepage to be enhanced
[19:36] <nkoth3> those should be finished soon (by end of today)
[19:36] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18697 10/trunk/ (53 files in 33 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/3.0 18627 to 18695
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[19:41] <nkoth3> sylvieg: i think we should get ready for release soon, as I have only one more commit left...., but it looks like BLOGLIST patch could be harmless
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[20:04] <nkoth3> i realise that with jquery on each page takes 38 requests... but I thought that the js files would be cached Am I doing some wong in my browser settngs?
[20:05] <nkoth3> or is there a way to transfer all the js files as one chunk in zipped compressed form or someting?
[20:06] <nkoth3> anyway, I'll turn it off and test more...
[20:09] <nkoth3> now 25.... now turning off mootools
[20:11] <SEWilco2> Never trust mootools over 25?
[20:13] <nkoth3> i now have 20... but still have suckerfish/phplayers/shadowbox on so...
[20:13] <nkoth3> lol
[20:13] <nkoth3> in 4.0 we have to figure out more efficient distrbution of js
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[20:15] <SEWilco2> TW needs more ways to make content appear to be files which don't need cookies, so more stuff will get cached.
[20:15] <Tikiwiki|bot> Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc Channel. TikiWiki or better known as TW, is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution, you can get more infomation at http://info.tikiwiki.org/ .
[20:16] <nkoth3> SEWilco2: yes
[20:18] <Yoni_> is it safe to use same db with a tw2.2 and a tw3.0 ?
[20:20] <Yoni_> suspens....
[20:20] <sylvieg> you have to upgrade the db to be usuable in 3
[20:21] <Yoni_> ok, i mean this i knew but could this prevent my 2.2 to use the db (testing for now) ?
[20:22] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18698 10/branches/3.0/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX]BLOGLIST: respect perm + sefurl + multilingual date + use a tpl
[20:22] <sylvieg> no idea
[20:22] <Yoni_> ok duplication is best
[20:22] <Yoni_> :)
[20:44] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r18699 10/branches/3.0/templates/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_bloglist.tpl: [FIX]BLOGLIST: Blog post title was supporting html -> no escape
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[20:58] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r18700 10/branches/3.0/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [FIX] Do not show edit plugin icons in features other than wikis since they won't save the changes anyway
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[21:05] <luciash> good night all, i'm heading to bed... bbl
[21:05] <Yoni_> goodnight
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[21:18] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: 03pingus * r18701 10/mods/trunk/features/aulawiki/templates/tiki-workspaces_resource_types.tpl: Put back the whole drop-down selection menu for adding new objects to workspace
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[21:24] <nkoth3> anyone noticed that our new logo does not fit into the space available in the theme in dev.tw.o?
[21:25] <nkoth3> when logged out...
[21:26] <nkoth3> same with doc for that matter.... probably css fixable...
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[21:38] * SEWilco2 looks for a logo cleaver icon.
[21:39] <Yoni> installing a svn tw3.0 i got 2 errors while upgrading my db... if it helps :
[21:39] <Yoni> # 2008-10-04 lphuberdeau
[21:39] <Yoni> INSERT INTO `tiki_menu_options` (`optionId`, `menuId`, `type`, `name`, `url`, `position`, `section`, `perm`, `groupname`, `userlevel`) VALUES (197,42,'o','Mind Map','tiki-mindmap.php',255,'feature_wiki_mindmap','tiki_p_view','',0)
[21:39] <Yoni> Duplicate entry '197' for key 1
[21:39] <Yoni> INSERT INTO users_permissions (permName, permDesc, level, type) VALUES ('tiki_p_search_categorized', 'Can search on objects of this category', 'basic', 'category')
[21:39] <Yoni> Duplicate entry 'tiki_p_search_categorized' for key 1
[21:41] <Yoni> using Tiki installer v3.0 rc1
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[21:55] <nkoth3> should be no issue
[21:55] <nkoth3> these duplicate entries
[21:55] <nkoth3> strange though
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[22:03] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: 03wggley * r18702 10/trunk/lib/userslib.php: [FIX] Updating tables with user information.
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[22:04] <FF|Skyrider> Howdy, again :P
[22:06] <FF|Skyrider> I'm wondering. I know I have a lot of questions, but does tiki has the option to enable some kind of navigation? Browse pages.
[22:08] <FF|Skyrider> Guess I found it :)
[22:15] <FF|Skyrider> http://doc.tikiwiki.org/img/wiki_up/groups-add-example-2.png
[22:15] <FF|Skyrider> This should be under "admin groups", right?
[22:18] <FF|Skyrider> Oddly enough, I do see the usergroups..
[22:18] <FF|Skyrider> Just not the "add new group" part
[22:26] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r18703 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-change_password.tpl: [FIX] do not allow changing of username field when changing password when username is already provided (otherwise users might try to change their username)
[22:30] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: 03wggley * r18704 10/trunk/templates/ (5 files): [FIX] Displaying name of user instead of login based on the user_show_realnames preference.
[22:34] <FF|Skyrider> Oh, I have a small question when someone's around. I know I should just ask, but if I have to go soon and no one's around, no point in asking :)
[22:36] <vilisi_t> wheres everybody @
[22:37] <nkoth3> what's the question?
[22:38] <FF|Skyrider> Is it possible to add specific pages within the menu on a specific page?
[22:39] <FF|Skyrider> Like, if you visit the page named "awesome", that in the left menu, it'll show automaticly a set of pages that you can add/select.
[22:39] <FF|Skyrider> Much like a category.
[22:40] <nkoth3> hmm
[22:40] <nkoth3> sections
[22:41] <nkoth3> i think the options in edit menu options allow you to set links to show based on sections, permission, and group
[22:41] <nkoth3> (not category)
[22:41] <FF|Skyrider> But you can't add manually?
[22:41] <FF|Skyrider> specific pages?
[22:42] <nkoth3> i suppose there might be ways....
[22:42] <nkoth3> like in a User module?
[22:43] <nkoth3> http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Module+Parameters
[22:43] <FF|Skyrider> Mm
[22:43] <nkoth3> modules can be shown on certain pages only
[22:43] <nkoth3> But it's not exactly the same as menu items...
[22:44] <vilisi_t> http://www.maps.gov.ck/tiki-map.php?mapfile=Outer%20Islands%20Water%20and%20Power%20Reticulation%20Feasibility%20Study.map  map interface is shown but not the map..HELP!
[22:44] <FF|Skyrider> What about the sections you were talkinga bout? :)
[22:46] <nkoth3> like feature_search, feature_wiki and so on
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[22:50] <FF|Skyrider> I wonder if there is a BB code system for Tiki
[22:50] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r18705 10/branches/3.0/templates/tiki-admin-include-general.tpl: [FIX] Add warning message to avoid users setting store session in db and getting themselves into trouble
[22:51] <nkoth3> FF|Skyrider: there is wiki syntax :) 
[22:51] <FF|Skyrider> Well..
[22:51] <FF|Skyrider> I can't really see that as BB code.
[22:51] <FF|Skyrider> That's much different
[22:52] <sylvieg> did you try page=your+page in admin->modules
[22:52] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: 03stojanovim * r18706 10/trunk/lib/core/lib/Multilingual/MachineTranslation/GoogleTranslateWrapper.php: - fixed a bug, GoogleTranslate tests work fine now
[22:52] <sylvieg> http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Module+Parameters
[22:52] <sylvieg> and do different menu
[22:55] <vilisi_t>  http://www.maps.gov.ck/tiki-map.php?mapfile=Outer%20Islands%20Water%20and%20Power%20Reticulation%20Feasibility%20Study.map  map interface is shown but not the map..HELP!
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[22:58] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r18707 10/branches/3.0/tiki-mods.php: [FIX] (UI) Default to show 3.0+ mods, to avoid clutter of lots of old mods by default
[23:01] <CIA-46> tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r18708 10/branches/3.0/tiki-mods.php: [FIX] typo in prev commit
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[23:15] <nkoth3> vilisi_t: for map, the best person to ask is franck_
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[23:15] <vilisi_t> :-/
[23:16] <nkoth3> which you probably know?
[23:16] <vilisi_t> nkoth3: yup
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[23:36] <nkoth3> anyone here willing to help on some "make graceful degradation for IE6" type issues in 3.0?
[23:36] <nkoth3> rant: http://www.realisingdesigns.com/weblog/2009/01/07/how-many-people-still-use-ie6/
[23:37] <nkoth3> ok, cu tomorrow
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