#tikiwiki 2009-07-03,Fri

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Tikiwiki\|bot	Info: TikiFest Google Summer of Code 2009 in London, UK (July 3-4-5, 2009) - http://info.tikiwiki.org/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=65	[02:30]
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webchatguy	I (gary) replaced the mibbet link on the tw.o/TikiFestGOSC2009 page with the freenode webchat in an iframe, since freenode doesn't accept mibbit connections now. Seems to work ok, but users need to input their username. (I don't know how to use {$user} in the iframe src.)	[02:57]
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xavi	toctoc , from the http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestGSOC2009 page	[08:42]
chibaguy	hi xavi	[08:43]
xavi	hi gary-webchatguy nice that this webchat thingy made some noise when you wrote my name on this irc channel	[08:43]
chibaguy	oh really? I didn't know it did that.	[08:44]
xavi	mmm, which software are you using right now, chibaguy ?	[08:45]
chibaguy	Miranda	[08:47]
xavi	did it ping'd with audio when I wrote your name, chibaguy ? pidgin doesn't do it for me when using irc only when using private chanels (jabber, for sure, and irc also, I guess)	[08:48]
chibaguy	Sorry, had speaker off.	[08:49]
xavi	ah, :-) tell me when you have it on	[08:49]
chibaguy	it's on now.	[08:49]
xavi	ok, chibaguy :-) could you hear any noise?	[08:49]
chibaguy	hmm, no sound. ;-)	[08:49]
xavi	mmmm, can you write my nickname again, please? might I have been dreaming?	[08:50]
chibaguy	xavi	[08:50]
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xavi	yes, confirmed, it made a subtle noise, but it did worked! hi hi	[08:50]
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xavi	hi Guest64892	[08:51]
Guest64892	morning all this is matwho setarting up the streaming for TikiFest happy watching - is sound ok?	[08:51]
xavi	ouhoooo!, Mattbic on the kitchen!	[08:51]
chibaguy	ah, I just enabled sounds in Miranda options.	[08:51]
xavi	hey, Matt!	[08:51]
pkdille	nice kitchen :-) hello all !	[08:52]
xavi	who's speaking? is it jonny hidden somewhere??? :-)	[08:52]
Guest64892	thanks, nice coffee I have the radio on, so I am rebroadcasting BBC Radio 4	[08:52]
xavi	:-)	[08:53]
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xavi	so ... are there any more tiki-guys in your house, Matt - Guest64892 ?	[08:53]
Guest64892	yes. More wil be arriving over the next hour	[08:54]
xavi	chibaguy ? do you hear the sound nowadays?	[08:54]
Guest64892	hi chibaguy	[08:54]
xavi	ok, ok, time for jetlack, etc.	[08:54]
chibaguy	hi Matt xavi, I think I heard a sound, but it's small.	[08:55]
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chibaguy	A little quieter than Matt's radio. ;-)	[08:56]
xavi	yes, chibaguy , very small, but better than nothing (as before), at least	[08:56]
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Guest64892	what is small? The video or the sound?	[08:57]
xavi	we lost the translation capabilities from mibbit, but we won a slight weak nooise when our nicknames are written (just to find out some improvement with the move :-) )	[08:57]
chibaguy	Sorry, Matt, xavi was asking about my IRC client, Miranda. the video and audio streaming are both good.	[08:57]
xavi	Guest64892: no trouble with the re-broadcasting, just talking about the subtle ping noise through this web interface for irc from freenode	[08:58]
Guest64892	oh ok, I am trying out the Adobe Flash Media Encoder so the quality should be better than last time	[08:58]
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chibaguy	The video is very good this time.	[08:58]
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chibaguy	Are those glass speakers, or do you have aliens from space on your desk? ah, or chairs behind the table...?	[09:00]
Guest64892	no they are plastic chairs	[09:02]
xavi	strange coffee, Matt is getting mad! ;-)	[09:03]
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chibaguy	:-)	[09:03]
xavi	or should we say Madd is getting crazy? :-D	[09:04]
chibaguy	ah, someone else is coming.... Hey, it's amette, nelson, and olaf-michael.	[09:04]
xavi	wohooo, amette and nkoth! and olaf!	[09:06]
chibaguy	Hi guys!	[09:06]
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jonnyb	hi all - i should have left by now, but just to let you know the streaming's working fine!! ok, more from the train... :)	[09:07]
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xavi	oups, iframe doesn't like being in a column from the split plugin :-( sorry that due to this the chat is not shown right now.... fixing well, avoiding the issue, I mean (I don't know how to fix properly) Matt, beware that everybody is listening the passwords! :-)	[09:08]
chibaguy	not too much danger of logging into his wifi from here, I think... ;-)	[09:11]
xavi	yes, I agree... :-)	[09:11]
chibaguy	but his neighbors may be watching ;-)	[09:12]
xavi	it's up to him ... hello Pauline! :-)	[09:12]
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chibaguy	hi Pauline!	[09:16]
xavi	I'm afraid that some of the computers in the room visiting the gsoc page (with the audio stream) have the speakers too loud... and this might be reason of the weird echo effect... I?d suggest all of you to turn your speakers (from your computers) down, so that there is no echo	[09:18]
Tikiwiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: Can someone explain me "The files can be locked at download" - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=33803	[09:19]
chibaguy	ouch :-)	[09:20]
xavi	:-) a pity that they are only for MAc ;-) if I heard that properly among the echos... hello Pauline again :-)	[09:21]
amette	alright... ... so, now I'm here in the chat, too.. xavi: no, it's USB and can be used with anything, it seems! :)	[09:21]
xavi	hi amette :-) good!	[09:22]
amette	amette waves	[09:22]
xavi	I want one like this! :-)	[09:22]
amette	Yeah, I like it, too! :)	[09:23]
xavi	off the record: price of such a nice usb mic???	[09:23]
amette	It's just like these famous AT&T conference phones you know from the movies.. .;) xavi: I'll try to find out - I'm interested, too... ;) (I fear it's not cheap)	[09:23]
xavi	:-) ah, ok, then...	[09:23]
amette	xavi: not bad, 40 Pounds or something like that - pretty good deal! :O	[09:24]
xavi	oh, that's affordable even for my economy :-) side by side video and chat fixed using a wiki simple table! (while split plugin was breaking the iframe for the chat) amazing simple wiki table did the trick...	[09:24]
amette	great :	[09:26]
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xavi	fyi, short url for the live stream (audio, video and chat) in a go is: http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestGSOC2009#Live without scrolling up and down on smaller screenresolutions, afaik and if you select to hide the right column, then you can use the full with of the screen for the live stream	[09:27]
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xavi	Hey, Rodrigo! Bemvindo!	[09:29]
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omstefanov_	hi Xavi and chibaguy !	[09:31]
xavi	hi omstefanov_ xavi reloading the computer and page (back in a few mins)	[09:31]
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jonnyb_i	Polom from Clapham Junction!	[09:34]
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xavi	:-)	[09:40]
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chibaguy6067	Is the video "paused" for other people?	[09:43]
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jonnyb_i_	Waterloo...	[09:44]
chibaguy6067	ok, now streaming here....	[09:44]
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jonnyb_i__	Coo, there are three of me! (iphone's fault)	[09:50]
chibaguy1	Heh, three of me also (Miranda client kept losing connection.)	[09:50]
jonnyb_i__	Crowded ay! Bus!	[09:51]
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xavi	naughty boy... :-)	[09:53]
chibaguy1	Can we download some of those, please? ;-)	[09:53]
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matbic	hi	[09:57]
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xavi	hi nagendra! :-)	[09:58]
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matbic	is sound OK	[10:01]
xavi	yes, brillinat MAtt, thanks	[10:01]
matbic	I think the Adobe Media Encoder is very much better You can skype me if you want to join in ID on wiki page	[10:01]
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xavi	hi jonny :-) :-)	[10:06]
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chibaguy	Maybe a network problem on my end, but the stream is kind of choppy (video and audio pausing) for me now.	[10:19]
xavi	same for me	[10:19]
jonnyb_i	Polom Xavi! :)	[10:20]
xavi	hi jonnyb_i :-)	[10:20]
chibaguy	How do we turn on the subtitles? ;-)	[10:21]
xavi	:-)	[10:21]
amette	LOL :P	[10:21]
chibaguy	(or I should ask how do we switch the subtitles from ads to conversation...)	[10:21]
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amette	g	[10:21]
xavi	is the mic in the middle of the table?	[10:22]
amette	yeah.. sound is not good? there are laptop monitors more or less in front of it....	[10:22]
chibaguy	The problem for me is that the stream goes on and off. Video pauses and sound stops completely. When the sound is coming, it's pretty good.	[10:23]
xavi	ok, no worries, most of it can be heard clear enough mmm, I?m afraid I'm not having cuts for a long while now... just that sometime the sound is a bit low, but ok, keep going. I guess that we have the best hardware and software for voice/mic, I mean the voice from the people at the half of the table close to the kitchen is lower than the rest, fyi except when you laugh, of course :-)	[10:23]
amette	hehehe, ok :P ( sorry :) )	[10:29]
chibaguy	rrr. I'm only getting about 40% of the audio stream.	[10:31]
xavi	chibaguy, because of volume of speakers, or because of cuts?	[10:31]
chibaguy	network problem, I guess. either good sound or no sound at all.	[10:31]
xavi	yes, I didn't have any cut from here in the last 5 min at least	[10:32]
amette	sylvieg: we really need to fix http://dev.tikiwiki.org/bug2549 - please give me some pointers to what the issue is! :)	[10:37]
chibaguy	chibaguy wonders what people need to do on wiki pages that requires wysiwyg instead of clicking quicktag icons, etc.	[10:37]
xavi	chibaguy: tables	[10:38]
chibaguy	ok, I agree with that one, xavi. :-)	[10:38]
idle-	chibaguy: users.	[10:38]
chibaguy	but what are typical things users want to do, that need wysiwyg?	[10:39]
idle-	chibaguy: users want word. nothing else. they always want to do things like they are used to.	[10:39]
chibaguy	mm, ok.	[10:39]
xavi	and even for those users who like using wiki syntax, things like this type of big tables are a nioghtmare with wiki syntax. Example : http://moviments.net/plana.Webs	[10:40]
chibaguy	Sure, I've used dreamweaver to do complex tables for Tiki, then copy and replace with wiki syntax.	[10:41]
xavi	however, table editor might get improved when the jquery spreadsheet ui is integrated in Tiki... which might be in the roadmap of jonnyb_i :-) then, just call to a SHEET with the wiki plugin, and start editing the table through the jquery spreadsheet interface :-) moreover, chibaguy : adding bullets to a list of items in a wiki page through quicktags doesn't work for me.... I mean, adding the asteriscs in a single go to a bunch of items in a wiki page...	[10:41]
chibaguy	hm, I've just done short lists, and it worked ok.	[10:45]
xavi	amette, for curiosity, can you read from where you are sitting the text on the screen from the beamer?	[10:45]
chibaguy	But if there are implementation problems with wiki syntax, they should be fixed. Shouldn't be an argument to turn to wysiwyg.	[10:45]
amette	xavi : yeah, that works nicely	[10:45]
chibaguy	(even though that is a solution, in practice.)	[10:46]
xavi	chibaguy: ok for bullets. but wiki tables are not in any roadmap afaik (except through the jquery spreadsheet ui trick, afaik). Or else, using wysiwyg amette, thanks for the info. I was wondering if jonnyb_i could see on the table that ping to him for tables but anyway, I don't want to distrub the discussion in there... chibaguy : the sentence by idle- "users just want to use something like Word", may also mean that copy & paste from other sources to the wiki page keeps the format if this was solved by wiki syntax in real time (as it happens with wysiwyg), then +1 to use wiki syntax for that instead of wysiwyg, I would say	[10:46]
chibaguy	That would be useful for Word users. I wonder if other wikis can import Word pages smoothly.	[10:50]
xavi	I doubt so. But that's why users just want something like Word, I would say	[10:51]
chibaguy	Apparently some can, judging from google results (wiki import Word).	[10:51]
xavi	and the wysiwyg solves that issue. Copy & paste just works	[10:51]
chibaguy	But I don't know about completeness/quality, etc.	[10:52]
xavi	nelson, come closer to the mic (we can't hear you) now I'm having some cuts myself but it might be me (I was openning other applications in my computer)	[10:52]
chibaguy	looking further at the google results, it seems to be a problem in general to import Word articles into wikis, from what I've read so far.	[10:57]
xavi	ok	[10:57]
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nkoth3	hi, admins around?	[11:08]
sylvieg	hello	[11:10]
xavi	hi nkoth3 hi sylvieg	[11:10]
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xavi	matbic: are you recording the streaming?	[11:11]
idle-	chibaguy: and it is not only for simple users. For example, if users want to document something in a wiki, they don't want to learn a wiki syntax. They wan't to work as usual, copying images, tables, other documents chibaguy: that are all things which have to work fast	[11:12]
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Reno_	hello !! I hav some troubles for updating my old 1.8 tikiwiki ... all the sql tables are in "latin1_swedish_ci", so when I update it to tikiwiki 2.4, all the accents (cause it's french) are replaced by wrong caracters ... Do you have a clue to update sql tables? some tips?	[11:20]
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chibaguy	idle-, I'm not sure how much learning is needed to click Tiki's quicktags, but I agree that for some people, it's necessary to replicate their Word as closely as possible.	[11:21]
amette	all: us or the screen? :) you gotta choose, beauty or functionality! ;) Nagendra is having his talk about the video stuff..	[11:22]
xavi	screen	[11:23]
amette	alright	[11:23]
sylvieg	coll the screen..	[11:24]
xavi	thanks :-)	[11:24]
amette	you're welcome :) hi sylvieg :)	[11:24]
sylvieg	hi	[11:25]
xavi	take the mic closer to nagendra, please	[11:25]
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marclaporte	hi everone !	[12:05]
xavi	nkoth3 , sylvieg, marclaporte ... weren't we having a meeting somewhere now? for admins I mean...	[12:07]
nkoth3	yes, but see my email	[12:07]
xavi	ok, I havent read it yet (opening thunderbird again...) ah, ok, (read it)	[12:08]
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marclaporte	I can recognize amette's laugh :-) http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestGSOC2009#Live	[12:58]
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marclaporte	chocolate!!!!!!!	[13:36]
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amette	marclaporte: G	[13:53]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: Interesting problem with installation 3.0 - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=33806	[14:36]
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matbic	sylvieg: Hi, hope all is well, we are discussing the tracker stopping problem on dev.tw. Do you have an idea what is causing it amette thinks you do. :)	[14:41]
sylvieg	soory miss the beginning the problem is the left join on the query	[14:41]
matbic	why?	[14:41]
sylvieg	we need to collect all the fields at the beginning - to do a simple query - and then take away the unecessary fields the problem is the left join done on the sort fields the sort fields must be added to the list og fields the same for the filter fields	[14:41]
matbic	this is good, do you think this is the only problem or just the tip of the ice berg	[14:43]
sylvieg	one simple queries with all the necessary fields and then keep only the wanted fields I am looking only at this query... nyloth rewrote the query .... to have it working with sorted fields not in the asked fields ... but since it is a very slow query to answer matbic - it is the only problem I thjink for simple fields	[14:43]
matbic	ok, is it difficult to fix?	[14:46]
sylvieg	after we have a problem with fields like itemlinks... that use fields from antoher tracker - but I do not think it is the case on dev.tw	[14:46]
amette	and this query is executed approximately every time you access a tracker... so improving it should also help doc.tw.o's /Features page which all the time flaps back-and-forth in accessibility	[14:46]
sylvieg	(it is some time to do - otherwise will be already done ;-)	[14:46]
amette	amette believes that :)	[14:47]
sylvieg	I wil try to have a try next week	[14:47]
amette	that would be awesome, thanks sylvieg :)	[14:49]
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xavi	away for a couple of hours	[14:50]
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amette	xavi: for when you come back... ... good news: here's the product http://www.expansys.de/d.aspx?i=163997 ... bad news: I found prices around 180 Euros or so! :-/ errr. here's the product: http://www.ipevo.com/products/pro_detail.php?id=10 the first link was the price ;)	[15:08]
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amette	That's fun - Web2.0 logos in Helvetica: http://ow.ly/grMR :P	[15:28]
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xavi	back	[16:49]
	amette, thanks for the link. Now I know :-) (price and specs.)	[16:59]
amette	yw, xavi :)	[16:59]
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rodrigo_sampaio	does anyone know the difference between the definition list wiki syntax and the definition list wiki plugin? I mean if there is something that is possible to do with the plugin that is not possible to do with the wiki syntax	[17:08]
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marclaporte	Tikifesters: about WYSIWYG profile: http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/WYSIWYG_COE http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/WYSIWYG_Wiki	[17:19]
	matthew: admin on profiles is LP matbic : ^^ matbic: you still discussing WYIWYG? excellent!	[17:29]
matbic	yes - just broken the profile ;)	[17:30]
marclaporte	oh me	[17:30]
matbic	and can't rollback or see what's wrong	[17:30]
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marclaporte	da power is coming matbic: you will feel da power at your next login	[17:31]
xavi	mmm, marclaporte , I added Matwho to ProfilesTWEditors group. Wasx that the power needed by Matwho?	[17:33]
marclaporte	just add users on http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-assignuser.php	[17:34]
xavi	ok so , now, matbix, you wouldn't need to relogin cause I also added you for this session to profiles.tw.o (by mistake :-) )	[17:34]
matbic	ok	[17:35]
marclaporte	matbic: any time you need people to have more rights, just them to the TwoAdmins or TwoEditors on main tikiwiki.org site	[17:35]
matbic	ok great	[17:35]
xavi	in this case, to ProflesTwoEditors on tw.o	[17:36]
marclaporte	and at the next login, via Intertiki group membership will be sent and relevant perms will happen it'a bit like workspaces :-)	[17:36]
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xavi	bye :-)	[17:52]
sylvieg	bye	[17:52]
marclaporte	marclaporte waves	[17:52]
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jcyrisse	where would i find the template files or files associated with the Submit plugin in v2.4?	[18:27]
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CIA-47	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r19930 10/trunk/templates/tiki-adminusers.tpl: [FIX]user: change icon validate email to distinguish with validate registration	[19:00]
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jcyrisse	so if i wanted to use AddThis to place a share this type of button on my pages, where in heck do i put the code?	[19:18]
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xavi	jcyrisse, ricks99 will know. as in the tw.o forums good luck and cheers	[19:29]
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jcyrisse	well i found an old reference finally thank you	[19:30]
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jcyrisse	is there a way to paste script code in a wiki page and not have it look mixed up? it seems when i preview it messes the code up	[19:58]
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Caarrie\|away	http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=PluginCode&bl=y	[20:01]
jcyrisse	well, guess that isnt exactly what i mean i think i am not wanting to show code, for demonstration, for example i am trying to add a piece of code, say for AddThis that will add a social bookmark tool or for example a google mailing list subscription box or...perhaps i shouldnt have html flag selected?	[20:02]
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jcyrisse	ok...the allow HTML box cannot be checked. hmmm...well...maybe not...views properly in preview but on save, does not	[20:34]
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