#tikiwiki 2009-07-13,Mon

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WiresAP	Hi! I'm trying to make it such that menu options are only visible to anonymous users (I want these options to disappear when they login). However, when I assing the option to the anonymous group, it appears in every other group. Any way around this?	[01:31]
Caarrie	dont inherit anomymous to registered	[01:32]
WiresAP	aha thank you very much (I feel silly)	[01:32]
Caarrie	yw	[01:32]
WiresAP	hm I seem unable to Registered is set to inherit from none, but still inherits permissions in the permission assign panel	[01:33]
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chibaguy	Anyone else having a problem with Firefox 3.5 and shadowbox images? Ones that worked before I upgraded to FF3.5 now open in a new tab. :-\|	[07:04]
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chibaguy	(maybe a local problem. FF3.5 is ok with shadowbox at some of my sites but not all.)	[07:27]
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CIA-49	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r20075 10/trunk/styles/layout/layout.css: [MOD] Added height property (height:auto) to #shadowbox_toolbar and #shadowbox_toolbar_inner following eromneg's lead (allow height to increase when narrow image causes navigation text to wrap).	[08:18]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: no icon for printer friendly version - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=&comments_parentId=33921	[08:41]
luciash	polomorning hi chibaguy nope, i haven't experianced that	[08:47]
CIA-49	tikiwiki: 03mangapower * r20076 10/branches/experimental/ws/lib/workspaces/ (wslib.php wstools/scriptCreator.php): [MOD] Improved wslib.php: now it uses the new field rootCategId	[08:50]
luciash	what i find bad in 3.1 though is the fact that when using some jQuery or something it "eats" id parameters of DIV and BOX plugins so they get no id attribute and it's pretty useles then...	[08:50]
chibaguy	hi luciash. I did a db update at one site and that fixed the ff3.5 problem. yeah, I think a goal for tiki4, if not sooner, should be to smooth out the various problems with plugins. (more important than some new feature, imo.) In other words, make sure the basic things are working reliably.	[08:51]
CIA-49	tikiwiki: 03axold * r20077 10/branches/experimental/ws/ (db/tiki-4.0-mysqli.sql lib/workspaces/wslib.php): [MOD] Solved a bug in the init_ws function, and improved other things	[08:54]
luciash	good approach	[08:54]
chibaguy	If every dev spent time answering user questions in the forums, there'd probably be more motivation to fix little problems. ;-) (or more awareness of little problems)	[09:00]
idle-	that's right	[09:04]
luciash	hmm, sorry, i have hardly time to answer user questions here :-p	[09:04]
chibaguy	yeah, I know. It's totally understandable that people don't have much time to help. But if bugs are reported at dev.tw.o and devs check there, that's a pretty good mechanism.	[09:06]
luciash	chibaguy: actually i don't check there, i check in my email watching the tracker ;) anyway i have 273 unread mesages of the dev.tw.o tracker items as i check it now	[09:15]
chibaguy	heh heh, ok, get busy. ;-)	[09:20]
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axold	hi guys do you know what happens to trunk? because there are several problems, like all libs related to ddbb ??	[09:59]
Tikiwiki\|bot	??[x]: Usage: ?? <word> [> nick]	[10:00]
luciash	huh ? ddbb ? no idea sorry, haven't checked out trunk recently	[10:07]
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chibaguy	axold: You can update to revision 20046. r20047 broke things. some got fixed. the latest trunk runs ok on my hosted domain (linux) but no revision since 20046 works on my windows xampp.	[10:17]
axold	ok thx chibaguy, i'm working on ws experimental branch, so I had troubles doing the merge	[10:19]
chibaguy	yes, seems like you better wait.	[10:19]
luciash	luciash is wondering if there is some really good ws demo website to understand what it actually is and can do :-p	[10:23]
axold	haha we are working on this i hope we can a ws.tw.org domain soon we can have	[10:23]
luciash	i still cannot imagine what the feature possibilities are :) yup, that would be great demo and docs i need to get into it really soon because i am working on social networking friendship feature enhancements using trackers, templates and some plugins and i read everywhere ws is sn related but no idea how	[10:24]
chibaguy	As I understand it, with ws there can be an admin for each workspace, who is like a mini-admin for users and so on there.	[10:27]
luciash	axold: demo/wip at http://crystals.ourwiki.net	[10:28]
chibaguy	Also, I hope the way it can work is that somebody can register and join a workspace and, automatically, pages created there will be visible only to users in that workspace.	[10:29]
axold	the major idea of ws	[10:29]
luciash	chibaguy: ok, can you compare it to something ?	[10:29]
axold	you can create your own communities, subcommunities and whatever you want tiki will have life itself because you can have one workspace for an enterprise with its hhrr workspace, development team workspace and so on as a member of workspace	[10:29]
luciash	what is hhrr workspace ?	[10:30]
chibaguy	I'm thinking of a school situation. If you log in and enter the "science class" workspace, then any page you make automatically is visible just to science class, unless you publish it for the whole school.	[10:30]
axold	human relationship yes for example and think about	[10:30]
luciash	can you compare to facebook feature ?	[10:31]
axold	if you are a student you can have your personal stuff this is, your wikis, trackers and more it's like facebook	[10:31]
luciash	say workspace is like ... on facebook ;)	[10:31]
axold	with all power of tiki	[10:32]
luciash	is it like groups on facebook ? or group of friends ?	[10:32]
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luciash	or like networks on facebook ?	[10:33]
chibaguy	To be honest, I haven't spent enought time at facebook to say....	[10:33]
axold	well I'm on facebook but I didn't use this features (actually, I don't use it very much) so I don't know the differences	[10:33]
luciash	is there confirmation step who can join what workspace ?	[10:34]
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luciash	ah :)	[10:34]
axold	yes, there will be and you can join to a workspace or leave	[10:34]
Caarrie	anyone working on the rss feeds?	[10:34]
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luciash	i am pretty used to facebook so i thought i would understand it better if you could compare it to something i know	[10:34]
axold	yeah, sorry luciash	[10:35]
chibaguy	axold, maybe when a workspace is created, it could have a switch: allow users to join freely, or users can only join by being invited.	[10:35]
axold	yes	[10:35]
luciash	you can join group or leave currently in tiki too	[10:35]
axold	of course all this features will be at your disposal and if you are an admin you can set your workspace	[10:35]
Caarrie	someone pointed our yesterday that the tw forum rss feed is not working 100% correctly	[10:35]
luciash	i miss the confirmation step there	[10:35]
axold	to be whatever you want	[10:35]
Caarrie	[Sun 12:06:54 pm] <Tikiwiki\|bot> New Forum Posts: Cannot see reply to my post - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=&comments_parentId=33916 [Sun 12:32:02 pm] <tobi_h> Hm - just in case someone feels in charge of the bot: If i follow this link http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=&comments_parentId=33916 I get the following error on the page: Notice: this variable may not be empty: $_GET["forumId"] *out	[10:35]
axold	but currently mangapower and I we are working on the wslib that will manage all of this topics	[10:36]
chibaguy	yeah, Caarrie, the forum urls are weird at times at tw.o now.	[10:36]
luciash	Caarrie: yep, seems forumId is required now	[10:36]
Caarrie	i just used the rss link i was given, not sure where the issue is	[10:36]
axold	ok, guys time to code, if i have more time, i will explain better ws ;)	[10:37]
luciash	axold: yeah, i only hope it will be not too complicated for me to understand and build on it ;)	[10:37]
chibaguy	thanks for your work, axold. -)	[10:37]
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axold	don't worry because ws will be very easy to manage (I have on mind features to do cool things, but for that we need time ;)), thx for your interest in ws :D	[10:38]
rodrigo_sampaio	polom	[10:38]
luciash	moloq	[10:39]
rodrigo_sampaio	luciash: :)	[10:39]
luciash	axold: i am interested because of the work on SN enhancements axold: i hope we can merge our efforts at some point	[10:39]
chibaguy	luciash, you could look at http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Workspace , especially "Key features"	[10:41]
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luciash	chibaguy: thanks	[10:41]
lwolf	hi, i'm interested by a file of the "html2pdf" mod. But i do not find any download link for this mod ? is there a way to fetch hml2pdf mod source code without installing tikiwiki ?	[10:42]
luciash	btw, for example i already enhanced the Group plugin for a param to display content only to friends (using the Friendship feature) of specified user(s): http://crystals.ourwiki.net/PluginGroup	[10:43]
rodrigo_sampaio	is http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=DatabaseSchemaUpgrade up to date? Because apparently the SQL specific files for each BLAB are not up to date. When I run convertsqls.sh it adds more queries than the one I have added to tiki.sql (maybe is just that someone did some changes and forgot to run convertsqls.sh before commiting). Just checking if I'm adding the new query the way it is supposed to be ops by BLAB I meant database software	[10:43]
luciash	the enhanced GROUP plugin in action here: http://crystals.ourwiki.net/i+am+johndoe brb, lunch time here	[10:44]
chibaguy	lwolf, you can go to http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/mods/trunk/ and navigate to the files. I don't know where that one is exactly.	[10:45]
lwolf	chibaguy, thank you	[10:45]
CIA-49	tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r20078 10/trunk/db/ (6 files): running convertsqls.sh to update the database system specific files (apparently they were outdated)	[10:53]
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CIA-49	tikiwiki: 03floh1111 * r20079 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Readded Qickpermissions. Permissionbundles are now based on the permission levels.	[10:58]
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luciash	still bbl, coffee time ;)	[11:13]
CIA-49	tikiwiki: 03axold * r20080 10/branches/experimental/ws/lib/workspaces/ (wslib.php wstools/unitesting.php): [MOD] Solved a bug in create_ws function	[11:24]
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CIA-49	tikiwiki: 03axold * r20081 10/branches/experimental/ws/lib/workspaces/ (wslib.php wstools/unitesting.php): [MOD] Reordered the params in create_ws tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r20082 10/trunk/ (9 files in 3 dirs): [NEW] permission and menu entry for the Tiki Importer	[11:33]
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CIA-49	tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r20083 10/mods/trunk/Packages/features-aulawiki.info.txt: [FIX] Updated information with latest fixes by pingus on aulawiki 1.7.2 tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r20084 10/trunk/templates/tiki-importer.tpl: [ENH] confirm button for the Tiki Importer	[11:46]
chibaguy	jonnyb, ping	[11:55]
jonnyb	hi Gary	[11:55]
chibaguy	hi Jonny	[11:56]
jonnyb	just enjoying the joy of tiki blogs css :D and the conflicts with forums... mmmmmm	[11:56]
chibaguy	Are you being sarcastic?	[11:56]
jonnyb	(yes) how you?	[11:56]
chibaguy	well, I'm doing ok.	[11:57]
luciash	re :)	[11:57]
chibaguy	Actually I know exactly what you mean about the blog and forum css/templates. and feel bad that it's the way it is now. did you know the forum layout is almost identical to the phpbb layout, when they switched away from tables?	[11:57]
jonnyb	it's one of the main reasons we've never used either of them - i work with a design professor and if it looks bad he makes me switch it off aha maybe we should adapt blogs to be like wordpress or something then?	[11:59]
luciash	design professor ?	[12:00]
jonnyb	anyway - i want a blog so i'm fixing my theme so it looks ok... hi luciash	[12:00]
luciash	luciash lookin' forward for jonny's shiny new blog :)	[12:02]
chibaguy	I'd like it if the blogs were more like wp or other blogs.	[12:02]
luciash	hi jonny :)	[12:02]
jonnyb	yup - at goldsmiths - he's a splendid chap - called John Wood	[12:02]
chibaguy	it's been kind of nutty, because also patrick's designs are sort of nonstandard.	[12:02]
luciash	there must be the prev next blog post links	[12:02]
jonnyb	I shot one of his lectures last year - http://blip.tv/file/1712708	[12:04]
chibaguy	there should also be a way to replicate the typical wordpress blog layout, like using the right column for modules such as blog archives, and these would appear for the right blog, etc. and not at other times.	[12:04]
luciash	cool, jonnyb, thanks	[12:05]
jonnyb	sounds like something for the module revamp LP's doing now chibaguy	[12:05]
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chibaguy	About layout.css, how about if the one for trunk/Tiki 4 is named layout.css, and the one that's for use as Tiki 3 reference is named layout-tiki3.css or something. ? In other words, the production file has the simpler name. which stays the same	[12:06]
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ricks99	ricks99 blows tumbleweeds by chibaguy...	[12:14]
chibaguy	Anyway, that's the way I'm thinking.	[12:20]
ricks99	been following the discussion on mail list. seems good 2 me	[12:22]
chibaguy	So I guess the trimmed down trunk layout.css (after empty selectors and comments are removed) would be the one to clone to use as a "tiki 3" reference. got to eat now. bbl.	[12:24]
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CIA-49	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r20085 10/trunk/tiki-objectpermissions.php: notice - please check the read one tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r20086 10/trunk/modules/mod-change_category.php: notice	[13:05]
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CIA-49	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r20088 10/trunk/styles/strasa/options/ (cold.css mono.css): [FIX] .postbody-title .actions ("Watched by categories" text) in forum titles had bad contrast. Thanks to xavi. tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r20089 10/trunk/styles/strasa/options/cold.css: [FIX] (Forgot to save before committing.) .postbody-title .actions ("Watched by categories" text) in forum titles had bad contrast. Thanks to xavi. tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r20090 10/branches/proposed/styles/strasa/options/ (cold.css mono.css): [bp/r20088, r20089][FIX] .postbody-title .actions ("Watched by categories" text) in forum titles had bad contrast. Thanks to xavi.	[13:38]
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WiresAP	Hello! I showed up yesterday and asked a question, but didn't get a viable solution. I am trying to create a menu where some of the options are displayed only when the user is anonymous - ie: the options would disappear as soon as the user would log in. However, when I set the option to the Anonymous group, it displays for all users. How moght I avoid this? Thanks.	[15:36]
sylvieg	Does registered group include Anonymous group?	[15:41]
WiresAP	yes and there appears to be no way around it I was hoping that there might be another option I had missed or a work around the reason I need it in the same menu is because I'm using the top-menu option, so I can't control the option according to module permissions, so far as I know	[15:41]
MacLeod	In my installation, the Registered group does not include the Anonymous group.	[15:42]
WiresAP	not explicitly	[15:43]
sylvieg	do you mean that you can not have anonymous included in registerd in admin->groups? ypu can always do 2 menus one only for anonymous and one for this others...	[15:43]
WiresAP	Although it does not appear explicitly, even though I have not specified that registered inherit anonymous (in fact, I have specified none), the permissions section of registered shows inheritance for anonymous I believe it is hardcorded as for different menus the reason I cannot do that is because I am using the top menu option in admin->look and feel, and can only specify a single menu	[15:44]
sylvieg	you can do a specific code {if $user}{menu id=...} {else}{menu id=...}{/if}	[15:46]
WiresAP	really? oh, I would do that in the custom code section of the top bar? brilliant!	[15:46]
sylvieg	should work	[15:47]
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WiresAP	hrm sorta the menu no longer appears as the top bar, but instead appears directly under it, as it would display in a module	[15:47]
sylvieg	did you use css=y or phpmanu...	[15:49]
WiresAP	no I'm rather new at this, sorry what is the phpmanu?	[15:49]
sylvieg	I think there was an option for this anonymous pb in menu - bnut I can not fiond it anymore... phplayermenu	[15:50]
WiresAP	aha hrm {phplayers id=42} makes everything disappear....	[15:50]
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WiresAP	{menu id=42 type=horiz} does not make it horizontal....	[15:56]
rpg	Is there some way, looking at a Tiki, to see what version of tw it's running?	[15:57]
sylvieg	you need type=css I think...	[15:58]
rpg	I'm looking at one and I see no obvious "about tikiwiki" sorta link...	[15:58]
sylvieg	look at changelog.txt	[15:58]
WiresAP	{menu id=42 css=y} according to http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=menus what does the current version checkbox do? I can find no documentation on it bah css wasn't working because I had css menus off however, it is still below the actual menu bar, as well as below the breacrumbs which is not where I want it	[15:59]
	huh if top bar is unchecked, but there is code in the custom box, it still displays the menu	[16:10]
rpg	sylvieg: was that for me? If so, is there a way to look at a tiki install from outside to see what revision it is?	[16:11]
WiresAP	thanks for your help sylvieg I'm gonna take a break - I'll be back later	[16:12]
CIA-49	tikiwiki: 03axold * r20091 10/branches/experimental/ws/ (4 files in 4 dirs): [MOD] Fixed some typos errors in wslib, and expanded the unit test	[16:14]
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MacLeod	When sending out mail notifications, how does Tiki know what mail server to send them to? It's not specified in the config settings within Tiki...	[16:45]
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luciash	MacLeod: it uses the same server where it runs	[17:27]
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CIA-49	tikiwiki: 03mangapower * r20092 10/branches/experimental/ws/lib/workspaces/ (wslib.php wstools/scriptCreator.php): [MOD] Improved remove_ws_object	[17:53]
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saffo	greetings I am having problems due to file curruption and lost my tiki_user_mail_accounts DB I rebuilt it but it has 0 data in it Where can I find the default users that reside in this file? err DB table	[17:58]
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CIA-49	tikiwiki: 03mangapower * r20093 10/branches/experimental/ws/lib/workspaces/ (wslib.php wstools/scriptCreator.php): [MOD] Added remove_all_ws and improved remove_ws: now it deletes recursively	[18:41]
marclaporte	floh1111_: ping	[18:41]
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CIA-49	tikiwiki: 03Jyhem * r20094 10/branches/3.0/img/tiki/tiki3.png: [ENH] A logo for tiki 3.x which does not require updating at every release	[20:22]
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CIA-49	tikiwiki: 03stojanovim * r20095 10/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): tikiwiki: Machine translation feature (TO BE CONTINUED): tikiwiki: - for now languages shown as candidates for machine translation are the ones the user can read (as set in User Preferences), and which are not already used for translations by a human translator tikiwiki: - machine translation needs to be improved (some tags dissapear after GoogleTranslate causing some of the text to lose its formatting)	[20:37]
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CIA-49	tikiwiki: 03stojanovim * r20096 10/trunk/templates/tiki-show_page.tpl: - changed the warning message for machine translation	[20:53]
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CIA-49	tikiwiki: 03Jyhem * r20097 10/branches/proposed/img/tiki/tiki3.png: [ENH] A logo for tiki 3.x which does not require updating at every release (should have been sent here first instead of 20094 in 3.0)	[22:12]
luciash	can tiki auto-create a "top" level category for user at registration time so he/she can later add his/her own categories into this category and admin them ?	[22:19]
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amette	luciash: sounds like something you should discuss with the workspace-people	[22:49]
luciash	hehe, yup yup	[22:49]
	luciash just wonders what does "Auto create corresponding categories" and "Allows to select each user for small groups" when Creating/Editing a tracker sylvieg: salut, do you know ? ah, kewl, i tested now and when i enabled the first it created the same name category as the tracker name and under it after registering new user it created a subcategory of the same name as its username, very nice	[22:55]
SEWilco2	luciash: I remind you of how RSS config asks for a RSS URL. "####" is a code which replaces the imagegal ID or something like that. luciash: A similar "What is user category pattern?" interface may be useful for your need. luciash: Sounds like someone needs to add a Help link next to "Auto create corresponding categories" :-)	[23:09]
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