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avi_	hi - I wanted to know if there is a collapsible structure available	[03:45]
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nickleus	is it impossible to make some text bold or italicized inside a code clause?	[09:39]
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thosenumbers	Hey there. I'm using Tikiwiki 3.1, and for some reason the thumbnail plugin is only working in the preview of a wiki page but not the save. Why would something work in preveiw, but now save? Is there some way I can narrow down what the problem might be?	[09:51]
mlaporte	thosenumbers: there is an annoying different of behavior between preview and save	[09:52]
thosenumbers	oh? the way it was acting, it made me wonder if some feature or setting was by default enabled in preview that I had disabled in save.	[09:53]
mlaporte	nickleus: I think there may be a param for code plugin: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/PluginCode wiki=1 thosenumbers: no, it's just weirdness. Also, for potentially insecure content, you must save, then, approve. No way to rpeview now, what is not working with thumbnail plugin once the page saved?	[09:54]
thosenumbers	mlaporte: well, that's a relief! Yes, the thumbnail plugin stops displaying the full image upon rollover once I save. it still displays the thumbnail, but nothing more. I've tried a variety of variations to the syntax, but none seem to work I've used the same syntax to explain my problem on the community boards, and the code seems to work there.	[09:56]
mlaporte	any hints here? http://doc.tikiwiki.org/PluginThumb	[09:58]
nickleus	sweet, thanks marc, it worked =)	[09:59]
mlaporte	If it works on a tikiwiki.org site but not for you, it could be that it's fixed for 3.2 nickleus: welcome	[09:59]
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stix	Hi guys. After upgrading to tikiwiki 3.1 from 2.x my pages look very odd. My menu to the left is now at the bottom of the page - what is going on?	[10:01]
thosenumbers	mlaporte: The wiki page doesn't have any helpful hints, sadly. is there any way to update to 3.2? Even if it's still in beta, I can accept the risk that other parts might be glitchy. I have a really minimalist wiki, so I doubt any of the other needed features will be bugged	[10:02]
mlaporte	thosenumbers: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Download#Pre_release_packages_zip_files_ stix: themes changed a lot between 2.x and 3.x Which theme are you using?	[10:06]
stix	mlaporte, some custom made one but why can't I select which side to have my menus displayed in	[10:07]
thosenumbers	mlaporte: I'm assuming I download the "Future 3.x (branches/3.0 from SVN)" pre-release link. How do I upgrade? Simply replace the files?	[10:09]
mlaporte	thosenumbers: yes (after you made a backup) thosenumbers: then, visit tiki-admin.php (You may get a warning message about updating your database structure)	[10:16]
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thosenumbers	mlaporte: Ok. I'll give it a go	[10:17]
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sylvieg	stix: http://themes.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Theme+Issues+when+Updating+to+Tiki3.0 a quick hack is to add lite.css in your css	[10:43]
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weatherhead	hello everyone, I'm setting up a tiki site. I have a few questions about trackers. I cam trying to allow users to edit certain fields, but not be able to delete tracker items !help	[10:53]
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marclaporte	edit field type or field content?	[11:13]
weatherhead	I would like users to be able to edit certain fields, but not to delete items. When I give the tracker_modify permission to the group, the users can also delete items though, on screenshots in the documentation, the tab says "edit", mine says "edit/delete"	[11:15]
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sylvieg	there is no perm to do that - so far I know ... people use generally TRACKER that has no delete button	[11:37]
mlaporte	If it existed, sylvieg would know	[11:48]
weatherhead	@sylvieg: how do I make a tracker without a delete button? oh, I see you mean use the plugin	[11:52]
sylvieg	yes - but it is not secure - only he does not see the icon	[11:53]
weatherhead	that will do, I just don't want people to be able to delete things by accident the problem I have with TRACKER, is there seems to be no way to select an item to edit I'm trying to implement a bug tracking type system with it	[11:53]
sylvieg	plugin param: view or url param: itemId	[11:56]
weatherhead	I don't think I'm doing it right: I want the user to be able to submit an issue, view issues, and edit issues not only that he has created but that others have	[11:58]
marclaporte	weatherhead: http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/Bug_Tracker	[11:59]
weatherhead	thanks marclaporte, I did have a look at that page. I'm not doing a bugtracker exactly, but more an issue tracker for a hardware engineering project	[11:59]
marclaporte	weatherhead: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/wish1798	[12:01]
weatherhead	oh.... this is actually all getting rather complicated. I was perfectly happy just using the "Trackers" page rather than the plugin, except for the fact that there's a delete button on the edit tab	[12:03]
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sylvieg	it is easy tio chage just the tempates (if $tiki_p_admin_trackers eq 'y'}{... le icon delete{/if} it easy also to add a perm ...	[12:05]
weatherhead	that would be ideal really, to add a permission that shows or hides the delete icon	[12:07]
marclaporte	weatherhead: : if you let everyone edit, I suggest you watch all trackers to have backup info in inbox	[12:07]
weatherhead	only some fields are editable, but thanks for the tip. is there any documentation about how I code my own perm?	[12:08]
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sylvieg	the hello world page on dev.tw	[12:13]
weatherhead	I've changed it so only admins see the delete button.... thanks a ton!! :-D	[12:20]
mlaporte	sylvieg: http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=mecpc.org%2Flista+de+oracion chokes on ShortURLs Is there anything that can be done? Otherwise, should we stop people from using certain characters in wiki page names when Short URLs are on?	[12:33]
sylvieg	yeh with the / I do not know what we can do...	[12:35]
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mlaporte	ok, I will delete that SPAM page anyway...	[12:41]
	any idea about the broken page here: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Search+engine+optimization looks like PluginTracker list needs one more espace...	[12:46]
	for mouse-over stuff	[12:51]
gezza	hi all! I updated a page on dev with ticket statistics http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Bugs+and+wishlist+stats i used split plugin and it made the left/right columns disappear any idea why? is it a known bug of the plugin? I have been using it on my own pages and did not see this behaviour before	[12:56]
mlaporte	sylvieg: would it be easy to add a rewrite rule exception for wiki pages contain chars that break it?	[13:02]
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mlaporte	hi gezza	[13:03]
sylvieg	where the short url was generated? because I thought that for special chars not short url was geenrated	[13:03]
mlaporte	http://tikiwiki.org/testing+a+Slash+(%2F)+in+page+name in Since your last visit... module	[13:09]
gezza	hi marc any idea on this split plugin thing?	[13:11]
stix	Where do I enable divs? WARNING: Plugin disabled DIV!	[13:21]
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mlaporte	gezza: just looked. I dunno: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/PluginSplit stix: tiki-admin.php?page=textarea&cookietab=2	[13:41]
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weatherhead	I'm trying to get a mediawiki import working, I have the PEAR library Text_Wiki installed, but for security reasons the sysadmins won't install Text_Wiki_MediaWiki and Text_Wiki_Tiki does anyone have experience with this?	[14:04]
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weatherhead	where do I set a custom location of these libraries?	[14:23]
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mlaporte	weatherhead: use Tiki4 gezza: what is status on: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/wish2234 ?	[14:50]
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gezza	marc: I close it, i commited to svn	[14:52]
mlaporte	gezza: tks	[14:52]
gezza	marc: i would like to propose some changes in the structure of this tracker, please read my notes on the wishlist squad page, would be happy to hear what you think about it	[14:54]
mlaporte	weatherhead: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=GSOC+2009%3A+phpBB+and+MediaWiki-TikiWiki+importer gezza: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=2704 gezza: 1st comment: why do I need to click + 9 times to read it all?	[14:54]
SEWilco2	weatherhead: Another possibility is to do conversion on another system and mail the new pages in... if the mailin feature is working in your version (I had trouble with it).	[14:58]
weatherhead	no, it's not working.	[14:58]
gezza	hehe, it is personal taste, I dont like long pages, I use this hiding thing o lot	[14:58]
weatherhead	I've copied all the reqwuired libraries (Text/) into my tikiwiki directory	[14:58]
mlaporte	gezza: :-)	[14:59]
gezza	you can take it out	[14:59]
weatherhead	but i'm still getting error message "Text_Wiki libraries need to be installed"	[14:59]
mlaporte	weatherhead: Tiki 3x installer was just a stub. You really should use 4.x	[14:59]
gezza	long pages make the mind heavy before starting to read imho :)	[14:59]
weatherhead	is it stable, and can I upgrade?	[14:59]
mlaporte	Which was freshly written and developer (Rodrigo) is available for bugfixes	[14:59]
SEWilco2	weatherhead: Maybe you could add a newarticle XMLRPC method, so another system can send new pages in. At least XMLRPC interface seems simpler than mail.	[15:00]
mlaporte	weatherhead: not stable. But it's to import to a fresh Tiki, yes?	[15:00]
weatherhead	no to merge our old wiki which was on MediaWiki, with the new one which already has some articles	[15:00]
mlaporte	ok, so then, perhaps, Install a Tiki 4.0 with the sole goal of importing MediaWiki data, then user SEWilco2's suggestion of XMLRPC (Send pages) to send from 4.x to your exisiting 3.x Tiki	[15:01]
weatherhead	basically, I haven't even tried the built in import yet I'm just trying to get it to recognise where I've installed the PEAR libraries are you saying the mediawiki import doesn't work at all? Doing any of those things just seems far more complicated.	[15:01]
mlaporte	I suggest you don't waste your time	[15:02]
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weatherhead	as in, the import feature is totally hosed even if I got it to work	[15:02]
mlaporte	3.x MediaWiki import was never finished. You'll waste less time by copy-pasting yes, as you say (hosed) :-)	[15:03]
weatherhead	ok	[15:03]
mlaporte	pre-pre-alpha	[15:03]
weatherhead	and the 4.x mediawiki import works??	[15:03]
mlaporte	Yes, very well. I saw a demo 2 weeks ago Wiki migration is very difficult and Rodrigo did a fine job	[15:03]
weatherhead	hm. Ok I think I will go with installing 4.x just to import the old wiki	[15:04]
mlaporte	yes, that is what I suggest	[15:04]
weatherhead	and then somehow get it into this 3.1 install	[15:04]
mlaporte	Do you use a lot of features?	[15:04]
weatherhead	yes quite a lot no forums, articles, blogs but basically everything else	[15:04]
ricks99	is there a tiki tracker field that allows a multi-select list?	[15:05]
mlaporte	ricks99: I use categories	[15:05]
ricks99	y, but dont want them site-wide. just want to present a list to select from. drop list works fine, but i want multi-select	[15:06]
mlaporte	weatherhead: if you were using only a few features, you could test all, and perhaps find that all is OK. But in your case, it's risky. (too long to test all) ricks99: dunno how (and I don't like multi-select list) with CTRL	[15:06]
ricks99	alternative is to use checkboxes, but formatting/ui is quite poor in tracker forms k	[15:06]
mlaporte	weatherhead: There is a feature to export wiki pages to XML. Perhaps that can work for you.	[15:07]
weatherhead	from the 4.x install? Then import those XML files into the 3.x	[15:07]
mlaporte	yes	[15:07]
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mlaporte	gezza: do you feature requests to make the dev site more efficient? gezza: do you have feature requests to make the dev site more efficient?	[15:11]
gezza	not really feature requests, more to help to make a review of open & pending tickets, close what is possible	[15:15]
mlaporte	gezza: if you have some, please add here: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/DevTwoDogFood	[15:17]
gezza	ok	[15:18]
weatherhead	I'm getting errors installing tiki4 I'm sure I had them before but can't remember how I fixed it http://pastebin.ca/1545903	[15:19]
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weatherhead	anybody have any clues? http://pastebin.ca/1545903	[15:47]
mlaporte	hmmm	[15:53]
weatherhead	it looks as though I have a custom php.ini but I don't as far as I can see	[15:54]
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mlaporte	weatherhead: are you trying to run many tikis in same space? or : I have that sometimes when I have http://IPnumber/~mydomain/tiki-index.php	[16:15]
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weatherhead	ok I have got tiki4 installed, used dumpbackup.php on the mediawiki install uploaded it to the tiki importer, and I have got an error XML file does not validate against the Mediawiki XML schema	[16:31]
mlaporte	rodrigo_sampaio: ping ^^	[16:34]
rodrigo_sampaio	hey weatherhead weatherhead: what version of mediawiki are you using?	[16:35]
weatherhead	ummm it's quite old I think	[16:36]
rodrigo_sampaio	weatherhead: the XML file should be fine if you generate it with the dumpbackup.php script unless you are running a very old mediawiki version that exports to a old XML format	[16:36]
weatherhead	1.13.2 according to the XML file	[16:36]
rodrigo_sampaio	weatherhead: can you find out if it is using the version 0.3 of the DTD file?	[16:37]
weatherhead	if you tell me how to :-)	[16:37]
rodrigo_sampaio	weatherhead: probably this information appears in the header of the XML file i'm going to check weatherhead: the first tag of the XML file (<mediawiki>) has an version attribute	[16:37]
weatherhead	version 0.3	[16:39]
rodrigo_sampaio	weatherhead: this should be fine, not sure why the XML file is not validating	[16:39]
weatherhead	I included all images and it's a full backup not a current one does that make a difference	[16:39]
rodrigo_sampaio	weatherhead: no	[16:40]
weatherhead	also I originally exported it to a different file with no extension then renamed it to .xml the first time it said wrong MIME type	[16:40]
rodrigo_sampaio	weatherhead: if you can send me the XML file you are trying to import I can take a look and see if I discover what is the problem	[16:41]
weatherhead	yes, though I would like your word that you'll delete it afterwards.... there's nothing particularly sensitive but technically it'd be against our rules.	[16:41]
rodrigo_sampaio	weatherhead: you have my word	[16:42]
weatherhead	thanks,	[16:42]
rodrigo_sampaio	weatherhead: you can send it to rodrigosprimo@gmail.com	[16:42]
weatherhead	yes ok it's on the way now	[16:42]
rodrigo_sampaio	weatherhead: if you have technical knowledge you can take a look at the importer code and see if you have any idea of the problem. there is a php bultin function called schemeValidate(). this is the function that is falling and generating the error	[16:43]
weatherhead	I have technical knowledge, but none of PHP unfortunately but I will have a look	[16:44]
rodrigo_sampaio	weatherhead: no problem, as soon as I get the email I will take a look and see if I discover what is the problem	[16:44]
weatherhead	thank you	[16:44]
rodrigo_sampaio	weatherhead: I'm glad that there are people using the importer. I just finish it as my Google Summer of Code project :)	[16:45]
weatherhead	cool I'm hoping to get it into our current tiki 3.1 install eventually actually but was told the importer on that version is a bit of a disaster	[16:46]
rodrigo_sampaio	weatherhead: this is true but it is very easy to backport the code I did on trunk to 3.1 and use it weatherhead: I think you just have to copy the files tiki-importer.php, templates/tiki-importer.tpl and the directory lib/importer to your 3.1 installation and everything should work but I never tried	[16:47]
weatherhead	it's taking a little while to send, it is quite large oh, ok I may try that, but I was planning to just then export from tikiwiki4 and import into 3.1 it has finished sending	[16:48]
rodrigo_sampaio	weatherhead: I'm looking at it right now	[16:52]
weatherhead	ok	[16:52]
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rodrigo_sampaio	weatherhead: for me the problem with the XML validation does not occur. However, it starts the importing process but it fails when it tries to insert data into tikiwiki weatherhead: I'm trying to understand why	[17:16]
weatherhead	I see also, the file is available locally on the webserver, is there a way to specify the file without uploading it?	[17:16]
rodrigo_sampaio	weatherhead: you need to change some parts of the code to achieve this weatherhead: but it is something easy	[17:17]
weatherhead	ok	[17:17]
rodrigo_sampaio	weatherhead: you server is windows or linux? and what version of php do you use?	[17:18]
weatherhead	linux 5.2.4	[17:18]
rodrigo_sampaio	weatherhead: same here weatherhead: about the problem with the XML validation: for some reason that is not clear for me the schemeValidate() function need internet connection to work properly (I guess it search for some information about the DTD file although the DTD file is distributed with the importer). so maybe the problem you are having is related with this if your server is behind a firewall that is preventing the PHP function to connect to the internet	[17:19]
weatherhead	it could be I suppose... is there a way round it? The server is not ours so I can't really alter the firewall settings the server is able to send emails and such	[17:22]
rodrigo_sampaio	weatherhead: if possible, the ideal scenario is to run the importer on a local server, where you can have control of everything and avoid this kind of problem	[17:26]
weatherhead	I can wget stuff on the server.... does that mean it has internet access? I suppose I could set up a local server.	[17:28]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r21118 10/trunk/lib/importer/tikiimporter_wiki_mediawiki.php: typo	[17:29]
weatherhead	..... that sounds promising..?	[17:29]
rodrigo_sampaio	weatherhead: a local server will help a lot weatherhead: my commit was a typo in a message that the script output to the user, no relation with the problem you are having unfortunately	[17:30]
weatherhead	ok, am gonna have to boot up a linux computer and install a server. Don't fancy doing it on OSX!	[17:31]
Caarrie	it is not that hard on leopard apache is installed already ^^	[17:32]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r21119 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_div.php: [FIX] Forgotten type for DIV plugin	[17:32]
rodrigo_sampaio	weatherhead: ok, I will let you know if I made any progress	[17:33]
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weatherhead	is there any other way I could export the old wiki, that may work better? Perhaps I could upgrade the mediawiki install	[17:41]
rodrigo_sampaio	weatherhead: I don't think it has any relation with your version of the mediawiki	[17:42]
weatherhead	ok	[17:42]
rodrigo_sampaio	weatherhead: I think that the problem validating the XML file has some relation with your environment settings. I don't know much about as I'm trusting in a builtin PHP function to handle this and is this function that is generating the error	[17:43]
weatherhead	ok I see	[17:43]
rodrigo_sampaio	weatherhead: in my local server I manage to import half of the pages in the file you sent me	[17:43]
weatherhead	I have got a server booted up....	[17:43]
rodrigo_sampaio	weatherhead: for some reason that is not clear I don't experience the error with the XML validation but with the full file the script dies without any message weatherhead: I edited manualy the XML file and removed half of the pages and it worked	[17:44]
weatherhead	very odd	[17:45]
rodrigo_sampaio	weatherhead: as the file is big might have some relation with reaching some PHP limit but it is very odd that it does not generate any error message	[17:45]
weatherhead	my php memory limit is 32MB so that shouldn't be a problem it's possible the server's maximum upload is too small I'm just about to check out the SVN onto a local server	[17:46]
rodrigo_sampaio	weatherhead: the memory limit is likely to be a problem while importing the page but I don't expect this to be a problem while validating the XML file	[17:49]
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rodrigo_sampaio	weatherhead: good news weatherhead: I was able to isolate the problem. For some reason the page "Audit - What equipment/components we have" is causing the script to abort. I removed this page from the XML file and I was able to import all other pages (a total of 198)	[17:53]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r21122 10/trunk/lib/tikilib.php: notice	[17:54]
weatherhead	oh interesting well	[17:54]
rodrigo_sampaio	weatherhead: when I have more time I will look at the content of this problematic page and see if I understand the problem	[17:55]
weatherhead	ok I will try removing that page should I still use the local server	[17:55]
rodrigo_sampaio	weatherhead: there are two different problens. The one you are experiencing with the XML file validation has no relation with the problem with the "Audit - What equipment/components we have" page	[17:56]
weatherhead	ok I will import it onto my local server then	[17:56]
rodrigo_sampaio	weatherhead: exactly, and please tell me if you have the problem with the XML validation	[17:56]
weatherhead	will do	[17:56]
rodrigo_sampaio	weatherhead: another day I will look at the issue with the above mentioned page	[17:57]
weatherhead	ok could it be to do with the odd VBA macro stuff on it?	[17:57]
rodrigo_sampaio	weatherhead: might be weatherhead: need to look to be sure	[17:58]
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avi__	i - I wanted to know if there is a collapsible structure available	[18:17]
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mlaporte	avi__: can you elaborate?	[18:19]
sylvieg	{treetable}?	[18:20]
avi__	thanks this would be like a collapsible tree . I created a structure bt the (toc} displays every node. I wanted a way to just show the main levels first and then allow me to drill down It's taking a lot of time to display the entire struct. ( i have 1300 rows) and I'm looking for a way to speed it up hi sylvieg. is there documentation on {treetable}? does it load a structure?	[18:21]
sylvieg	nothing dynamic for structures is set now it is a work on the way - and even this one will not fit your need you can limit the toc to a certain number of level	[18:23]
avi__	will i then be able to fdrill down or does it just load the main nodes	[18:25]
sylvieg	no it is not dynamic	[18:27]
avi__	Could I create a struct for each level and list them on 1 wiki page e.g. a struct for "A", 1 for "B" etc ?	[18:28]
sylvieg	like this http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Tracker?	[18:30]
avi__	your link is broken but I found http://doc.tikiwiki.org/treeTable	[18:40]
sylvieg	sorry without the ?	[18:41]
avi__	this seems to be the main site: http://plugins.jquery.com/project/treeTable	[18:42]
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sylvieg	but there is no ajax.. so it will be statis	[18:42]
avi__	thanks - It says that it takes a structure. I'll need to look into it . Any ideas how to load this struct faster for a user to view in a contents page?	[18:45]
sylvieg	which version do you have?	[18:46]
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avi__	2.0	[18:47]
sylvieg	sylvieg wondering if it is not fater in 3 faster there is plan to rewrite the structures to do less queries - but nothing has been commiitted yet	[18:48]
avi__	It could also be my vps. but anyway, I really don't want to display every node, initially. is ther some 3rd party tool?	[18:50]
sylvieg	what people do usually is to give a maxdepth to each toc ...	[18:51]
avi__	but then , how do they drill down?	[18:52]
sylvieg	like in the page Trackers, you have another {toc} taht displays the rest in 3 (or 4) also, you can put the toc in the module and you can cache the module	[18:52]
avi__	ok , I'll look into it - thanks. I have another unrelated question. I would like to allow my community to see what pages are being worked on - what's the best way to do this?	[18:54]
sylvieg	you can also perhaps cache the page wiht the big toc if your structure is not changed often module last modif page	[18:54]
avi__	thanks - that was simple. one last question. I modified my toc to use fancy so that it will "mark" the pages that have been modified. I do this by puttin html in the 'description' field of each page. But I don't see a fild where a user can edit the description. how can they modify the description fild themselves?	[18:58]
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avi__	sylvieg - thanks !	[19:13]
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