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[00:32] <chibaguy> If anyone is around who has a trunk installation and IE browsers, can you please check how the login form looks in Strasa?
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[01:08] <chibaguy> ah, a new Tikifest in November to release tiki 4, I see.
[01:09] <chibaguy> a slight delay, but necessary, I think. and better this way.
[01:17] <marclaporte> :-)
[01:25] <marclaporte> I am looking forward to site upgrades
[01:25] <marclaporte> I felt themes.tw.o would great to start with. You up for it?
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[01:33] * ricks99 is testing upgrade for smarties -- to use trunk
[01:36] <marclaporte> :-)
[01:39] <chibaguy> upgrade to trunk?
[01:39] <ricks99> y
[01:39] <chibaguy> sue
[01:39] <chibaguy> sure (re themes.tw.o(
[01:39] <chibaguy> )
[01:39] * chibaguy heads for coffee pot
[01:41] <chibaguy> themes.tw.o is kind of a low-risk upgrade since it's more of "aftermarket" service than essential info for install, config, etc.
[01:42] <chibaguy> maybe the only downside is if people are looking for theme demos for the current release, it wouldn't be accurate in that sense
[01:43] <chibaguy> otoh, they could see how cool their sites will soon look ;-) (thinking of the shadows on css menus, for one thing).
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[02:17] <chibaguy> But theme appearance and compatibility is pretty consistent between tiki 3 and 4, so there won't be a big problem, as a demo site.
[02:17] <chibaguy> no need for a special tiki3 demo, unlike with tiki 2.
[02:31] <mlaporte> my feeling as well
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[03:38] * chibaguy says keep on trunkin' (upgrade of themes.tw.o in progress)
[03:49] <mlaporte> lol
[03:49] <mlaporte> dogfood theme song for Tiki!
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[05:30] <chibaguy> hmm, white screen after 3.2 update to trunk at themes.tw.o
[05:30] <chibaguy> update 3.2 to trunk
[05:32] <chibaguy> tiki-install went ok, then nothing on any page
[05:33] <chibaguy> had some errors due to incomplete file transfers, but retranferred and no more errors, but....
[05:55] <chibaguy> dogfood. yum.
[06:24] <chibaguy> checked pretty much all the files. awaiting inspiration.
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[06:44] <changi> some apache error ? 
[06:48] <SEWilco2> Check if db/local.php is OK.  Someone mentioned a problem with that file during an update recently.
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[07:08] <chibaguytoo> I checked db local and updated $db_tiki and $dbversion_tiki, but no improvement.
[07:09] <chibaguytoo> This is the complete page source for tiki-index.php: <div id="menu_43_css_vert" style="display:block;">
[07:09] <chibaguytoo> :-)
[07:09] <chibaguytoo> no idea why just that
[07:12] <chibaguytoo> part of one left-column module
[07:17] <chibaguytoo> trying a fresh install in a new directory
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[07:43] <CIA-75> tikiwiki: 03chealer * r21969 10/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[07:43] <CIA-75> tikiwiki: [ENH] change last_tracker_items module to new module style (modules-doc).
[07:43] <CIA-75> tikiwiki: [FIX] HTML special chars encoding
[07:43] <CIA-75> tikiwiki: [FIX] nonums notices
[07:43] <CIA-75> tikiwiki: improve and translate error messages
[07:46] <CIA-75> tikiwiki: 03chealer * r21970 10/trunk/ (11 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] HTML special chars encoding
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[08:02] <stripmind> hi all. what permissions besides the below are necessary to create a topic in a forum?
[08:02] <stripmind> tiki_p_forum_attach 
[08:02] <stripmind> tiki_p_forum_post 
[08:02] <stripmind> tiki_p_forum_post_topic
[08:02] <stripmind> tiki_p_forum_read 
[08:02] <stripmind> do you need other perms from other types? like CMS, comments, wiki, or tiki? i've removed most perms from anon that aren't read/view related, but creating a forum topic is something i'd like to keep open for the moment.
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[08:26] <chibaguy> fresh install of trunk in another directory at themes.tw.o works, so apparently there's a problem with one or more files in the root directory, so I'll check on that.
[08:33] <Tikiwiki|bot>  New Forum Posts: can I use php code in the tiki-custom_home.tpl ? should I even try that ? Will it break something ? - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=34822
[08:48] <CIA-75> tikiwiki: 03chealer * r21971 10/trunk/templates/header.tpl: [FIX] HTML special chars encoding
[08:49] <CIA-75> tikiwiki: 03chealer * r21972 10/trunk/modules/mod-func-last_tracker_items.php: document sort_mode in more depth and set title to "Last Modified Items" if sort_mode=lastModif_desc
[08:52] <CIA-75> tikiwiki: 03chealer * r21973 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[08:52] <CIA-75> tikiwiki: [FIX] last_modif_tracker_items, broken in r21969.
[08:52] <CIA-75> tikiwiki: and avoid any breakage like this to happen again merging in last_tracker_items. Credits go to Sylvie
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[11:26] <CIA-75> tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r21974 10/trunk/templates/tiki-admin-include-general.tpl: [MOD] admin include general: restore the option collapsing/expanding as it was before deploying lesser magic
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[12:26] <Kissaki> is tiki_secdb new? (last 2 months)
[12:33] <Kissaki> tiki-secdb sql file has all the settings with value 3.0 as version. Will it even use them then?
[12:33] <Kissaki> ah, it's only for file-checking, so I don't need it...
[12:35] <Kissaki> Fatal error: require_once() [function.require]: Failed opening required 'smarty_setup.php' (include_path='G:/share/www/tikiwiki_trunk/lib/pear;.;G:/share/www/tikiwiki_trunk/lib/core/lib') in G:\share\www\tikiwiki_trunk\db\tiki-db.php on line 148
[12:35] <Kissaki> on recent trunk
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[13:05] <Kissaki> nobody? :(
[13:05] <Kissaki> marclaporte: mornin :)
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[13:06] <Kissaki> using trunk, can I just plain use it? or do I have to do something?
[13:06] <Kissaki> do I have to add smarty somewhere?
[13:06] <Kissaki> Fatal error: require_once() [function.require]: Failed opening required 'smarty_setup.php' (include_path='G:/share/www/tikiwiki_trunk/lib/pear;.;G:/share/www/tikiwiki_trunk/lib/core/lib') in G:\share\www\tikiwiki_trunk\db\tiki-db.php on line 148
[13:06] <marclaporte> morning!
[13:07] <Kissaki> I'd try it with 3.1, but those sql files (esp. mysql one) seem fucked up... had some work on trunk after all :)
[13:07] <marclaporte> oh!
[13:10] <Kissaki> so? should I not have to?
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[13:25] <Kissaki> mh
[13:27] <Kissaki> $dbversion_tiki='4.0';
[13:29] <Kissaki> works on mysql, no smarty error
[13:29] <Kissaki> but why... ^^
[13:33] <Kissaki> with manual pgsql db creation/insert to bypass the installer, I'll get that fatal error (above). It seems it somehow does not load smarty
[13:34] <Kissaki> how does smarty depend on the db in such an awful way?
[13:40] <chibaguy> Themes.tikiwiki.org (finally) updated to trunk :-)
[13:43] <chibaguy> Probably some updates needed for theme files; this is mostly done but I need to doublecheck.
[13:49] <marclaporte> chibaguy: : ahead of schedule!!!!
[13:58] <CIA-75> tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r21975 10/trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): [MOD] lesser magic deployment to maps admin template
[14:38] <dthacker> marclaport: email coming to dev list. 
[14:39] <dthacker> marclaporte: email on db independence on dev list. 
[14:40] * marclaporte checks email
[14:40] <dthacker> Kissaki: ping
[14:40] <Kissaki> yes?
[14:41] <Kissaki> that's my mail
[14:41] <dthacker> you don't know me.   I'm one of absent doc/dev folks.  Are you back working on pgsql?
[14:41] <Kissaki> not really
[14:42] <Kissaki> just pointed out where the problem is :)
[14:42] <Kissaki> well, I still have some time today
[14:42] <dthacker> that is good help
[14:42] <Kissaki> but won't be able to finish it in the next 3 days
[14:42] <dthacker> nods
[14:42] <Kissaki> no spare time within the week
[14:43] <dthacker> I'm willing to help work on db independence.  Is it feasible to branch and re-merge at 5.0 in your opinion?
[14:46] <Kissaki> well, no idea. As long as dropping pgsql does not mean dropping pdo and independence-practices :)
[14:46] <CIA-75> tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r21976 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [MOD] lesser magic deployment to webmail admin template
[14:47] <Kissaki> as it was done anyway with installer and whatever else as one can see now
[14:47] <Kissaki> well, I don't even have an idea how much code is not db independent
[14:47] <Kissaki> so I have no idea if it's fixable in 2 days
[14:48] <Kissaki> idealy, all was done by me with converting the install sql script
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[14:48] <Kissaki> but as the installer itself is not db independent, that won't do it
[14:49] <Kissaki> and god knows how much more code, modules and extensions are not db independent
[14:49] <dthacker> so the effort would have to a parallel installer. 
[14:49] <Kissaki> not really, it would just have to use pdo (or adodb correctly)
[14:49] <dthacker> hmmm
[14:49] <Kissaki> I don't know where the issue with the installer lies conretely.
[14:49] <Kissaki> but it just uses mysql anyway, even when selecting pgsql
[14:50] <dthacker> marclaporte: that email may have just gone to you directly....
[14:50] <Kissaki> didn't deeply-check it yet, as I noticed it was adodb, which I'm not familiar yet, and that's when my spare time was cut off
[14:51] <Kissaki> maybe it's just one php line pulling the <select> option, who knows :)
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[14:53] <dthacker> Kissaki:  ok,  I'll just have to start digging.   
[14:57] <Kissaki> dthacker: I'd start digging on the smarty error
[14:57] <Kissaki> tiki with pgsql may work without installer (manual install) but not with that error :)
[14:58] <Kissaki> and a small php script just query-parsing the sql file can be done in 5 lines as an alternative...
[14:58] <Kissaki> but as long as it won't work in the end anyway...
[14:59] <marclaporte> if we have manual install for procedure for PG, that would be acceptable (not ideal, but a step in the right direction)
[15:01] <dthacker> yes, but won't be done in three days
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[15:02] <dthacker> I propose we mark db other than mysql as "experimental" for 4.0 release and leave code in. 
[15:03] <dthacker> Don't claim is as a feature, but don't force devs into supporting a branch.
[15:03] * dthacker realizes he is late to the party and didn't bring a gift ......
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[15:05] <SEWilco2> dthacker: Gifts aren't expected.  But because it's a potluck dinner, you should have brought whatever food you wanted.
[15:06] <SEWilco2> ... and it being an open source dinner, also bring the recipe.  :-)
[15:06] <dthacker> hehe.  Yes, asking for more time to make a proper dish without spoiling party.   Tough question.
[15:07] <SEWilco2> dthacker: I agree that marking untested things in some way is a good idea.  Also no need to remove untested code which might work.
[15:10] <SEWilco2> Hmm.  There's an idea.  Maybe a table of what has been tested would be useful?  Whether in dev.tw.o or in TW code.
[15:12] <SEWilco2> There could be a TW function invoked for every TW feature in Admin which would emit "(experimental)" if the feature isn't in the "tested OK" list.
[15:13] <SEWilco2> No performance hit because it would only be invoked in the Admin panels...and for whatever stuff is so highly experimental that it needs such a warning at runtime.
[15:15] <dthacker> I like that idea. 
[15:17] <SEWilco2> Such a function would have a companion dev.tw.o/doc.tw.o page with published status of each feature for each version; both code and web list include date and name of person who says it's tested.
[15:18] <SEWilco2> Naming the tester encourages people to perform tests so they get to be on the list.
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[15:20] <SEWilco2> Speaking of tests... as automated testing improves, people should create test scripts whose successful completion are suitable for marking a feature as being functional.  So to get your name on a feature will eventually require writing/updating a test script.
[15:23] <SEWilco2> The dev/doc page for the list of features should make clear that a test for DB support is only successful for the other features which are functional under the DB.  Can't mark a DB as functional merely because one can log in using that DB.
[15:23] <dthacker> automated unit testing or automated usability testing?
[15:25] <SEWilco2> dthacker: That definition is left as an exercise for the implementer.  :-)  If one doesn't like what is implemented, they can implement the other testing.
[15:25] <dthacker> nods
[15:26] <chibaguy> Shoutbox posts at themes.tw.o (running trunk) don't have time/date indicated. I wonder if this is a change in trunk from branch 3, or an upgrade problem at that site.
[15:27] <chibaguy> (I'll look at the file later.)
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[15:34] <dthacker> afk 20 mins
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[16:14] * dthacker pulls trunk to install
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[16:26] <CIA-75> tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r21977 10/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [MOD] lesser magic deployment to polls admin template
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[17:09] <dfsf> muh
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[17:53] <Kissaki> remuh
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[18:11] <CIA-75> tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r21978 10/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [MOD] lesser magic deployment to faqs admin template
[18:28] <CIA-75> tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r21979 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [MOD] lesser magic deployment to sefurlfaqs admin template
[18:32] <luciash> polom
[18:32] <luciash> Kissaki: dthacker : you're testing pgsql both on win server, right ?
[18:33] <Kissaki> yes
[18:33] <luciash> if you tell me how to bypass installer i can test on my linux machines
[18:33] <Kissaki> mh, that probably won't change the smarty issue :)
[18:33] <Kissaki> but sure
[18:34] * luciash just (re)installed pgsql
[18:34] <Kissaki> use the pgsql script int subfolder db and execute it in your set up DB
[18:34] <luciash> ok, i will try tonight
[18:34] <Kissaki> then create your local.php like: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Manual+Installation#Create_your_db_local.php_file
[18:35] <Kissaki> and then you're done
[18:35] <Kissaki> and can probably see a nice smarty require erro :)
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[18:36] <dthacker> I'll be testing on linux, but I can eventually on winxp.  Don't have win server available
[18:36] <c_schmitz> hi everyone
[18:36] <c_schmitz> Is there a human-readable changelog for the most important changes from 3.1 to 3.2 ?
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[18:41] <dthacker> c_schmitz: hold on, looking 
[18:43] <dthacker> c_schmitz: http://tinyurl.com/yemagxh
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[18:45] <c_schmitz> thank you, but I guess out definitions of  'human-readable' and 'most important' do differ :-)
[18:45] <c_schmitz> out=our
[18:46] <c_schmitz> dthacker :-)
[18:46] <dthacker> hehe:  script output is readable, but not optimal :)
[18:47] <c_schmitz> you should consider to use the LimeSurvey release script
[18:47] <c_schmitz> its creates changelogs like this:
[18:47] <c_schmitz> http://sourceforge.net/projects/limesurvey/files/1._LimeSurvey_stable/1.86/release_notes_and_upgrade_instructions.txt/download
[18:48] <c_schmitz> it is available from our subversion
[18:49] <c_schmitz> http://limesurvey.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/limesurvey/source/other_scripts/release_scripts/
[18:50] <c_schmitz> even prepares all type of archives and uploads to sf.net ;)
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[19:01] <c_schmitz> hmm... Multilinguag structure still don't work
[19:01] <c_schmitz> :-(
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[21:12] <CIA-75> tikiwiki: 03chealer * r21983 10/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
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[21:12] <CIA-75> tikiwiki: [FIX] HTML special chars encoding
[21:12] <CIA-75> tikiwiki: [FIX] index mo notice (typo)
[21:14] <CIA-75> tikiwiki: 03chealer * r21984 10/trunk/modules/mod-func-last_tracker_items.php: forgotten comment
[21:25] <Tikiwiki|bot>  New Forum Posts: Cannot remove certain pages! - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=34828
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[22:29] <CIA-75> tikiwiki: 03lindonb * r21985 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_img.php: [FIX]Keep multiple images from cycling back through old code. Also allow multiple images for the src parameter. Titles still not showing up in ColorBox popup
[22:46] <Tikiwiki|bot>  Info: 5 upcoming TikiFests! Brazil, USA, Canada, make your pick! - http://info.tikiwiki.org/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=74
[22:50] <chealer_> hum, "Article is not published yet " :/
[22:55] <marclaporte> fixed
[22:55] <marclaporte> RSS is incorrec
[22:56] <marclaporte> Tiki RSS for articles indicates yet to be published articles
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[23:51] <CIA-75> tikiwiki: 03ricks99 * r21987 10/trunk/templates/tiki-poll.tpl: [ENH]add LABEL element for a11y