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[14:09] <nelek> hello
[14:09] <nelek> is it possible to assign a user module only to anonymous but not to regged and higher?
[14:12] <marclaporte> nelek : yes
[14:13] <marclaporte> admin > modules (there is an option about this)
[14:22] <luciash> polom
[14:22] <marclaporte> polom
[14:22] <nelek> which option is that marclaporte?
[14:24] <marclaporte> there a 5 on that page
[14:24] <marclaporte> if not obvious which one, we have a problem
[14:24] <nelek> a 5 ?
[14:24] <nelek> what do you mean?
[14:25] <marclaporte> there are 5 options on that page
[14:25] <nelek> when i go to admin -> modules i have 2 tabs. one is assign/edit modules and the other is user modules
[14:25] <marclaporte> tiki-admin.php?page=module
[14:26] <nelek> ah. thats another page from mine
[14:28] <luciash> marclaporte: next time you better say admin home > modules
[14:28] <marclaporte> ok :-)
[14:29] * luciash dreams the menu revamp he proposed would ever happen
[14:29] * marclaporte thinks dreams are important
[14:30] <luciash> haha :)
[14:30] * marclaporte wonders if luciash could remind us of location of dream proposal....
[14:30] <luciash> search your mailbox devel folder
[14:31] <marclaporte> no wiki page?
[14:31] <luciash> i don't remember - it has been pretty ong time ago again :-p
[14:31] <nelek> why would i work with a .tpl instead of directly adding the script code in for google ads?
[14:31] <luciash> nelek: no idea, you don't have to
[14:32] <marclaporte> if you put in look & feel admin panel (which was a luci's dream that came true), it will survive upgrades
[14:33] <marclaporte> -1 to putting Google code in .tpl because it's so easy to lose (ex.: upgrade, swap theme, etc.)
[14:33] <luciash> nelek: just add the script in bottom custom code area in admin home → look & feel but wrap it in {literal}...{/literal}
[14:34] <luciash> if you need to put it only in one page, wrap it in JS wikiplugin
[14:34] <marclaporte> or pluginhtml
[14:35] <nelek> i just added the script in a user made module in the admin -> modules and it works...the strange thing is i assigned the same user module multiple times and sometimes they display and sometimes not
[14:36] <luciash> nelek: i guess you can't have the same module twice on one page... if the code uses same id it will cause problems
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[14:38] <luciash> marclaporte: r u gonna release beta today ?
[14:39] * luciash goes to make sure all his code is commited
[14:48] <marclaporte> I hope we can branch and release a Beta over the next few days
[14:49] <marclaporte> sylvieg  volunteered to merge from branches/4x to trunk, so I am ok to branch now
[14:49] <marclaporte> just had to cut short my trip and come back to Montreal for family emergency
[14:49] <marclaporte> But I will go back to Toronto tonight and catch up with TikiFesters
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[14:53] <luciash> ah oh, i hope all is going to be ok with your family
[14:54] <luciash> greetings to your father if he is there
[14:56] <marclaporte> he will be there. I will say you say hi
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[15:06] <miki_tnt> hello everybody
[15:06] <miki_tnt> i have just update my tikiwiki from 3.2 to 3.3 and I wanted to commend an error
[15:07] <miki_tnt> ALTER TABLE `tiki_sefurl_regex_out` DROP KEY `left` Can't DROP 'left'; check that column/key exists     		
[15:07] <miki_tnt> do you know about this error?
[15:08] <miki_tnt> it also says: During an upgrade, it is normal to have SQL failures resulting with Table already exists messages
[15:08] <Tikiwiki|bot>  New Forum Posts: Needed: A little help with installation - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=35101
[15:09] <CIA-31> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r22778 10/trunk/tiki-calendar_edit_item.php: [FIX]calendar: priority default is 1
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[15:21] <CIA-31> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r22779 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX]PLUGIN CALENDAR: do not show twice same event in list mode (remarcks: better to user {foreach} instead of {section} because {foreach} supports non consecutive elts)
[15:22] <luciash> hi sylvieg
[15:22] <luciash> what you mean by non consecutive elts ?
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[15:23] <xavi> toctoc
[15:24] <xavi> there is an error at doc.tw.o when attempting to print the whole documentation structure:
[15:24] <xavi> http://dev.tikiwiki.org/bug2840
[15:25] <xavi> it's redirected to the page about the PluginFootnote, I don't know why...
[15:25] <luciash> hi xavi
[15:25] <xavi> hi luciash
[15:25] <xavi> marclaporte & sylvieg ^
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[15:29] <miki_tnt> i had disconnected
[15:30] <miki_tnt> I was wondering if there is any possibilities to create an admin group which can add new users only to the group
[15:30] <luciash> miki_tnt: thanks for report, yes i heard about the SQL error already, shouldn't affect you
[15:31] <miki_tnt> ahm, your wellcome, I am currently trying in my local computer, it doesn't affect
[15:31] <miki_tnt> thank you
[15:31] <luciash> miki_tnt: i think there is plugin invite which should be able to that
[15:31] <luciash> wikiplugin
[15:32] <miki_tnt> wikiplugin?
[15:32] <luciash> but i haven't tested it yet
[15:32] <miki_tnt> ok, I can test it
[15:32] <luciash> yes, in a wiki page you place that plugin and people can invite in their groups only the other people
[15:33] <luciash> s/only the other people/(only the other people)
[15:33] <miki_tnt> it sounds interesting
[15:33] <luciash> err, i mean s/the other people/(the other people) :-p i guess you understand
[15:34] <miki_tnt> yes, :) thank you
[15:34] <miki_tnt> where can i get it?
[15:34] <luciash> in next tiki version it should be more flexible to admin only specific workspaces
[15:34] <luciash> i presume it is already in your Tiki
[15:35] <luciash> check Admin Home → Editing & Plugins
[15:35] <miki_tnt> ahm, is it a feature to active?
[15:36] <miki_tnt> let 's see
[15:36] <luciash> xavi: tried BBB yet ?
[15:37] <xavi> luciash: never, and you?
[15:37] <luciash> xavi: yes, yesterday
[15:37] <luciash> xavi: marc sent link here
[15:37] <xavi> ah, ok
[15:37] <luciash> xavi: works pretty nicely but i wasn't able to present my desktop
[15:38] <luciash> http://algonquincollege.bigbluebutton.org/tiki.html 
[15:40] <miki_tnt> it's similar to webex, isnt it?
[15:40] <xavi> ok, watching demo
[15:41] <luciash> miki_tnt: i don't know webex but this is multiplatform and open source
[15:41] <miki_tnt> webex is a cisco platform (close platform) that is quite similar
[15:42] <luciash> xavi: ah, now in Opera the desktop sharing seem to work
[15:42] <miki_tnt> allows to share presentations, desktop, and it has an audio broadcast channel
[15:42] <luciash> miki_tnt: yea, that sounds simmilar to this
[15:42] <xavi> luci, I'm logged in with firefox (shiretoko)
[15:44] <miki_tnt> just a question about that, do you know any similar solutions but with a server application running on the server instead of getting all these resources from web?
[15:46] <luciash> miki_tnt: i don't know but maybe this BigBlueButton can do that ?
[15:47] <miki_tnt> i guess bigbluetutton is via web, even the server side, isn't it?
[15:47] <xavi> or dimdim, which is also opensourced , afaik
[15:49] <miki_tnt> as far as I have seen, people say that dimdim is the more similar to webex, but everything is made via web, even the server side
[15:49] <miki_tnt> @luciash: I haven't found the invite plugin you mention
[16:02] <miki_tnt> umm
[16:09] <xavi> luciash I lost control over epiphany
[16:09] <xavi> I'll logout and login again
[16:12] <xavi> luciash: I'm having issues with karmic beta
[16:13] <xavi> and flashplugin
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[16:14] <chibaguy> miki_tnt, the invite plugin isn't in tiki3, I think, only in trunk.
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[16:16] <miki_tnt> ahm, thank you. I havent seen invite plugin so, I guess it will be in 4 version
[16:17] <pascalstjean> xavi: Fred was suggesting you restart your browser. something if you can't get a stable connection
[16:18] <xavi> pascalstjean: I've done it 4 times already
[16:18] <pascalstjean> hum ok
[16:18] <pascalstjean> I'll give Fred the feedback
[16:18] <xavi> ubuntu karmic browsers seem to be a bit unstable when using flash
[16:18] <xavi> ok, thanks
[16:19] <xavi> rebooting computer, just in case
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[16:23] <pascalstjean> xavi: ok 
[16:23] <pascalstjean> xavi: we have Gary online right now
[16:27] <marclaporte> BBB is quite cool!
[16:28] <miki_tnt> has anybody used content template?
[16:28] <miki_tnt> i have tried to configure : http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Content+template&bl=y
[16:28] <miki_tnt> but when creating a page, no template options are displayed
[16:29] <miki_tnt> I have also activated the feature
[16:30] <miki_tnt> only admin user can use templates
[16:31] <miki_tnt> the admin has the option to apply the template, but not a normal user
[16:34] <miki_tnt> could it be a bug?
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[16:52] <marclaporte> miki_tnt : it's a feature
[16:52] <marclaporte> you need to give permisions to "Registered" group
[16:53] <miki_tnt> I will try now
[16:53] <miki_tnt> thank you, but I have assigned permissions to the group and nothing happens
[16:53] <miki_tnt> permissions to wiki section?
[16:54] <miki_tnt> in wiki section there are not special permissions for templates
[16:55] <miki_tnt> only: tiki_p_use_as_template  	   	wiki  	 Can use the page as a tracker template 
[16:57] <miki_tnt> ahmm, i see
[16:57] <miki_tnt> special permission to content template
[16:58] <miki_tnt> tiki_p_use_content_templates
[16:58] <miki_tnt> thank you
[16:58] <miki_tnt> but it not happen the same with the calendar
[16:58] <miki_tnt> when you add the permission, add event to registered
[16:58] <miki_tnt> a registered user can not add an event
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[17:01] <marclaporte> maybe you found a bug
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[17:02] <miki_tnt> I think so, and I reported two days ago but I don't know if it is really a bug or I don't know how to do it :)
[17:15] <marclaporte> can they view?
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[17:19] <miki_tnt> yes, they can view but not add an event
[17:19] <miki_tnt> even adding a new permission to their group
[17:20] <luciash> miki_tnt: sorry, i thought it is in 3.3 too, the plugin... maybe you can try (just in case) if the 4.x plugin will work in 3.x copying it from the SVN
[17:21] <miki_tnt> tiki_p_add_events Delete tiki_p_change_events, permissions to the group
[17:21] <miki_tnt> @luciash: thank you for your pieces of advices
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[17:43] <marclaporte> polom chealer
[17:43] <chealer> hi marclaporte!
[17:43] <CIA-31> tikiwiki: 03rischconsulting * r22780 10/trunk/lib/trackers/trackerlib.php: (log message trimmed)
[17:43] <CIA-31> tikiwiki: [FIX] Attempt to fix bug 2839 by changing tob$ff.`type` = 'tracker $trackerId'
[17:43] <CIA-31> tikiwiki: to tob$ff.`type` = 'trackeritem'. The query appears to have two problems: 1.
[17:43] <CIA-31> tikiwiki: tiki_objects field 'type' is never in the form "tracker $trackerID" but is
[17:43] <CIA-31> tikiwiki: instead just "tracker" and 2. Searching only for trackers limits the search
[17:43] <CIA-31> tikiwiki: unnecessarily, especially because we are searching for trackeritem objects. If I
[17:43] <CIA-31> tikiwiki: missed something or broke it, please let me know - it appears to work.
[17:43] <chealer> I'm fine at Mike's place - as long as wifi keeps working :)
[17:44] <marclaporte> :-)
[17:44] <marclaporte> are you downstairs?
[17:48] <chealer> marclaporte: yes
[17:53] <marclaporte> 2 beds?
[17:54] <marclaporte> i'll be there 2night
[17:54] <CIA-31> tikiwiki: 03chealer * r22781 10/trunk/lib/userslib.php: 
[17:54] <CIA-31> tikiwiki: [FIX] group_exists() caching prevented group removal and renaming
[17:54] <CIA-31> tikiwiki: Closes: #2837
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[18:16] <JorgeBorg> I've just discovered TikiWiki after years of alternating between PmWiki and Drupal to make websites and I think TW solves my biggest conundrums with both.
[18:17] <JorgeBorg> Should I start building with TW4 pre-release because it will be out soon?
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[18:24] <luciash> JorgeBorg: i would suggest to start with 3.3 as it is pretty stable and well supported and you can easily upgrade to Tiki 4 later
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[18:26] <JorgeBorg> thanks. my last concern concerns bitweaver. I'm seeking some specifics about the differences between the two currently. The best information I have is years old and I'm sure, out of date.
[18:30] <JorgeBorg> though I suspect that this says something: http://www.google.com/trends?q=bitweaver%2C+tikiwiki&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
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[19:00] <xavi> luciash ?
[19:00] <luciash> yeah
[19:00] <xavi> hi
[19:00] <xavi> I've been trying a few other browsers
[19:00] <luciash> hola
[19:00] <xavi> plus opera
[19:00] <xavi> of course
[19:00] <xavi> I saw opera is not free soft :-/
[19:01] <xavi> so I tried several others, until I found one working well with bigbluebutton on linux
[19:01] <xavi> kazehakase, based on gecko (afaik)
[19:01] <xavi> it worked both webcam and desktop sharing
[19:02] <xavi> fyi
[19:02] <xavi> chrome is extremely fast for everything, video is fine, but ... java applet don't work for me
[19:03] <xavi> galeon (gnome) also works for desktop sharing, but not for webcam :-/
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[19:05] <luciash> for me worked Arora except the desktop sharing or i just didn't see the confirm dialog for java
[19:05] <luciash> and today Opera worked very nicely
[19:05] <luciash> Arora is the fastest browser on linux i know (except elinks ;))
[19:06] <luciash> graphical
[19:06] <luciash> and working with almost all like Safari
[19:06] <luciash> cause it is WebKit based
[19:06] <luciash> xavi ⤴
[19:09] <xavi> ok, thats the same problem I saw with many  browsers
[19:10] <xavi> but kazehakase worked fine on both desktop sharing and webcam
[19:10] * xavi is checking abot the engine in kasehakase
[19:11] <xavi> kazehakase can run on webkit or gecko :-) (interesting)
[19:11] <xavi> anyway, fyi :-)
[19:11] <xavi> ok, back to work on groupmail documentation for another while
[19:20] <luciash> right, just tryied again and Arora here doesn't work for the desktop sharing
[19:20] <luciash> i uninstalled Kazekhase few days agi as it didn't work and look nicely for me
[19:24] <xavi> in karmic, kazehakase is not good-looking either, but at least, it just works out of te box for me, which is always a nice plus... ;-)
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[19:29] <xavi> mmm, luciash, fyi: I've just seen that I was running kazehakase with gecko engine before. And that by default it shows a pretty simple interface, but it's the "UI level Basci". There is a "medium" and "advanced" levels, which offers much more options in the interface, etc.
[19:29] <luciash> xavi: anyway, things look much better than a year ago for linux desktops
[19:30] <xavi> :-)
[19:30] <xavi> I agree
[19:30] <luciash> ah, i wonder why the others gecko engine based browsers are crashing it for you
[19:30] <luciash> in koala
[19:31] <xavi> yes, so do I. Well, in fact, I read that epiphany is not based on gecko any more since karmic koala
[19:32] <xavi> and shiretoko 3.5.4pre doesn't either..., I dunno why
[19:32] <luciash> but shiretoko ?
[19:32] * luciash just launches shiretoko to try
[19:32] <luciash> in jaunty
[19:33] <xavi> and I ended up installing all plugins I could for java, but no desktop sharing shown
[19:33] <xavi> in fact, no window popup asking permission
[19:34] <luciash> well after a little while i get the popup dialog in shiretoko here with no problem
[19:34] <luciash> i use java6
[19:37] <xavi> well, I get greyed screen
[19:37] <xavi> and no change after a while
[19:37] <xavi> a min or so
[19:37] <xavi> so I shutt down firefox
[19:37] <xavi> like now again
[19:37] <xavi> :-/
[19:37] <xavi> I took the presenter role, and clicked on share desktop.... and it happened again with shiretoko
[19:38] <luciash> no confirmation dialog for the flash to allow my mic due to the firefox 3.5 bug with flash here
[19:38] <luciash> on the other hand, so shiretoko is no option unless you know the workaround anyway
[19:38] <xavi> which version of shiretoko are you using?
[19:38] <luciash> 3.5.4
[19:38] <xavi> same here 3.5.4pre
[19:39] <luciash> well, pre is not the sam, is it ?
[19:39] <xavi> workaround: you mean allow connections through the adobe website ?
[19:39] <luciash> the same
[19:39] <luciash> yes
[19:39] <xavi> hold on. I'll try again after updating shiretoko (there is a recent update in the queue list)
[19:39] <luciash> i am going there to try the workaround
[19:41] <luciash> ok, fixed it there by selecting "Always Ask"
[19:41] <xavi> the workaround works for the webcam (flash issue), but didn't work for me for the desktop sharing, maybe because they said it's based on java
[19:42] <luciash> yes, it is different, a dialog should pop out which asks you
[19:42] <xavi> yes, and it doesn't on shiretoko for me, just greyed window
[19:42] <luciash> i can show you in yuuguu if you like ;)\
[19:43] <luciash> i see, frozen browser is no good
[19:43] <xavi> no, I believe you, with or without yuugourt :-)
[19:43] <luciash> LOL
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[19:43] <luciash> wow, now i tried to share my desktop again and it showed the laptop screen correctly this time
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[19:43] <xavi> :-) I know veggie people eat lots of yuuguu(rt) :-)
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[19:44] <luciash> ROFL
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[19:44] <luciash> but i don't (that) much actually
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[19:44] <luciash> wow, what an IRC dance
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[19:45] <xavi> well, as a side note, I'm not veggie but I love big fruit yougurts (500 g)
[19:45] <xavi> yes, nick collisions...
[19:45] <xavi> ok, shiretoko updated on karmic
[19:45] <xavi> trying again...
[19:46] <chealer> nice glitch
[19:46] <luciash> i hope you didn't make collisions of java libs
[19:46] <chealer> Your reported IP [0.0.0.12] is banned: christel;  Your access to freenode has been terminated. klines@freenode.net with questions. (2009/02/19 18.45)
[19:46] <xavi> oups
[19:47] <luciash> i love these guys
[19:48] <xavi> argh.... same effect with latest shiretoko (3.5.4): greyed screen
[19:48] <luciash> you have java6 ?
[19:48] <xavi> and frozen browser...
[19:48] <xavi> yes...
[19:48] <xavi> checking version...
[19:48] <luciash> are you on 32 bit or 64 bit ?
[19:48] <xavi> 32
[19:48] <xavi> and you?
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[19:48] <luciash> ok
[19:48] <luciash> same
[19:49] <luciash> xavi: if you want i can show you my installed packages in synaptic
[19:50] <xavi> :-)
[19:50] <xavi> nice desktop sharing :-)
[19:51] <xavi> oups, the verify java version program (from java website) also frozed my shiretoko....
[19:52] <xavi> koala is not ready for java, it seems to me...
[19:52] <luciash> oups
[19:52] <luciash> i wonder why you disappeared again
[19:53] * luciash launching yuuguu
[19:53] <luciash> (just in case ;)))
[19:55] <xavi> I closed shiretoko
[19:55] <xavi> definitively, the problem s with java on this siretoko
[19:55] <xavi> it freezes shiretoko to me
[19:56] <luciash> do you have sun-java6-plugin installed ?
[19:56] <xavi> testing java version on synaptic, instead...
[19:56] <xavi> yes, 6-15-1 java plugin
[19:56] <luciash> hmmm
[19:56] <luciash> weird, i have newer
[19:57] <xavi> plus icedtea6-plugin
[19:57] <luciash> 6-16-0ubuntu1.9.04
[19:57] <xavi> plus icedtea-gcjwebplugin
[19:57] <luciash> no icedtea here
[19:57] <luciash> what is this good for ?
[19:57] <xavi> hey, were did you take it from? :-)
[19:57] <luciash> no idea, from jaunty :-p
[19:57] <xavi> :-)
[19:58] <xavi> IcedTeaPlugin is a web browser plugin to execute Java applets, supporting
[19:58] <luciash> no iced tea here, just yuughurts :-p
[19:58] <xavi> LiveConnect/Javascript. It is targeted for xulrunner-1.9 and compatible
[19:58] <xavi> browsers that support the NPAPI.
[19:58] <xavi> Icedtea is a temporary fork of OpenJDK
[19:58] * xavi needs to change his diet...
[19:58] <luciash> i would say that can be the source of problems
[19:59] <xavi> icetea6-plugin is the default one installed and certified by ubuntu.... but I'll try without it
[19:59] <luciash> in yoghurt or if you come back, i can show you my packages
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[20:00] <luciash> hehehh, now i searched for it and i have just iced tea jre with cacao :-p
[20:01] <xavi> so did I :-)
[20:01] <luciash> but the plugin i don't have installed
[20:01] <chealer> hum, I just realized TikiFestToronto is supposed to be started
[20:01] <luciash> chealer: heheh
[20:01] <luciash> really ?
[20:02] <chealer> luciash: I had in mind it started later, but apparently it stated a minute ago: http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestToronto4
[20:02] <xavi> luciash: shiretoko frozen still, even if restarted with the tea-related packages removed
[20:02] <luciash> xavi: no good
[20:03] <xavi> oups, only you and me, luci, on the bbb
[20:03] <xavi> chealer, nobody there... if they started, they started somewhere else...
[20:03] <xavi> and pascal just arrived :-)
[20:04] <chealer> xavi: what? how do you know?
[20:04] <luciash> pascal is there
[20:09] <xavi> :-) well, you got it...
[20:09] <xavi> http://algonquincollege.bigbluebutton.org/tiki.html
[20:17] <chealer> xavi: yeah
[20:23] <Tikiwiki|bot>  New Forum Posts: Wiki Page Polls in 3.2 & 3.3 - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=35102
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[20:24] <chealer> hi pascalstjean
[20:24] <pascalstjean> hey 
[20:25] <pascalstjean> chealer: are you waiting for Mike so that you can join?
[20:25] <pascalstjean> or are you not coming here today?
[20:25] <chealer> pascalstjean: no
[20:25] <pascalstjean> no you're not coming here today?
[20:25] <chealer> pascalstjean: I'll tell you when I come. do you have instant messaging, Jabber or .net?
[20:26] <pascalstjean> Skype or MSN
[20:26] <pascalstjean> skype: pascalstjean
[20:26] <pascalstjean> msn: st_jean_pascal@hotmail.com
[20:26] <chealer> pascalstjean: please add zaq@fuckhotmail.com
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[20:27] <pascalstjean> done
[20:27] <chealer> saw that but I had some kopete bug
[20:27] <chealer> good, works
[20:33] <chealer> pascalstjean: Mike is not coming today
[20:34] <pascalstjean> chealer: not problem
[20:47] <pascalstjean> anyone ever get a SQL error 2002 (CR_CONNECTION_ERROR)
[20:47] <pascalstjean> I can get Branch to work
[20:47] <pascalstjean> but not Trunk on fresh install
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[21:00] <chealer> not me
[21:00] <chealer> but I'm not talking about a fresh install
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[21:23] <pascalstjean> Broadcasting TikiFest Toronto Live
[21:23] <pascalstjean> come join us
[21:23] <pascalstjean> http://algonquincollege.bigbluebutton.org/tiki.html
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[22:28] <chealer> pascalstjean: seems pretty close to where I am. I think I'm coming :)
[22:29] <pascalstjean> great
[22:29] <pascalstjean> see you soon
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[22:59] <luciash> xavi: good night, xavi
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