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I3igDmsu: i'm trying to insert javascript and the "url" portion of the link keeps getting parsed. any way to avoid this?
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chibaguy: polom
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radif: Random question: When someone creates a page in a Wiki site (using TW), where in the server is that page stored? I'm trying to delete all the TikiWiki files and install a newer version (I'm not running an upgrade for various reasons) so I'm wondering how to save the pages that currently exist.
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radif: When someone creates a page in a Wiki site (using TW), where in the server is that page stored? I'm trying to delete all the TikiWiki files and install a newer version (I'm not running an upgrade for various reasons) so I'm wondering how to save the pages that currently exist.
chibaguy: radif: the pages are stored in the database.
they won't be touched in an upgrade.
you can remove all tiki-related files in your file system and the wiki pages will be ok after new files are put in place.
radif: So... I can delete all files on server. Then download latest version, put all files on server, run installation... and I'll still be able to see my pages?
I know an upgrade is possible... but I'm opting to "reinstall" as opposed to "upgrade" because of various reasons.
chibaguy: well, to upgrade, basically you just copy the new files over the old ones, and then use tiki-install.php to update the database.
Which is kind of like delete/ replace except it doesn't actually delete unchanged files.
radif: I would still like to perform delete/replace/install... rather than replace/upgrade... because I was having a problem with the older version that persists even with the upgrade
chibaguy: i see
radif: I'm having the infamous registration problem... (when new users register, they get an error message saying there's something wrong with the query on tiki-register.php)
chibaguy: what tiki version is that?
radif: which was apparently a bug on 2.0... but I've upgraded to 3.2 but the problem persists.
chibaguy: what is the server os?
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radif: not sure...
chibaguy: just wondering if it's 'typical' linux/apache etc. or windows
radif: I'm really not sure... but check out the forum where I posted the error message: Features/Usability >> Problem registering new users
No one responded to my question yet
chibaguy: ok
radif: actually, someone did and advised me to "compare the mysql table users_users (columns, etc.) with the one in your server" and I don't know how to do that
chibaguy: i'll read the forum post and reply there if I have any ideas.
radif: thank you
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Cyberguyen: Hi, could anyone telle me if it's possible to change the dates in the calendar. In Denmark we uses day/month instead of month/day as shown in the calendar month view
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chibaguy: Cyberguyen, I don't know, myself. If you can catch sylvieg here, she probably is a good person to ask.
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tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r22783 10/trunk/templates/tiki-calendar_listmode.tpl: [FIX]calendar: translate the date in language format
sylvieg: to bad for Cyberguyen
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almightybunghole: hi all
got a wierd problem with searching our tiki, not sure where to look for answers
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almightybunghole: if i search for certain strings i get a blank page
no errors
have set php memory to 64M
same strings cause the problem - but most are fine :-/
not sure if its relevant but I get this in the httpd error log: PHP Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /var/www/html/lib/tikilib.php on line 4931, referer: http://wiki.domain.net/tiki-searchresults.php?highlight=router&where=pages&search=Go
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CIA-78: tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r22784 10/trunk/lib/freetag/freetaglib.php: [ENH] Mozilla upstream 463963. Strip out bad characters from tags.
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chealer: oikin
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chealer: hum, or polom a key right
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luciash: chealer: LOL :)
oikin anakin
chealer: hi luciash :)
oh, I'm Anakin now. will that be 2 jedis with Nelson the coding jedi?
-: chealer has no Star Wars culture
luciash: aye, you got a big gap, you should catch it up ;)
CIA-78: tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r22786 10/trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs):
tikiwiki: [MOD] Mozilla upstream. Allow to specify the PHP session cookie name.
tikiwiki: [FIX] if(SID) is always true as it evaluates to if('SID')
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CIA-78: tikiwiki: 03chealer * r22787 10/trunk/lib/headerlib.php: [FIX] HTML validation
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ricks99__: is it possible to 'deactivate' a user account without deleting it? Can I make a user accoutn anonymous only (using 2.x -- still on php4)
luciash: ricks99__: yep, just remove him from all groups
ricks99__: ah. gr8. tx
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CIA-78: tikiwiki: 03chealer * r22788 10/trunk/lib/headerlib.php: [FIX] r22787 regression. oops, should have tested that one
ricks99__: hm.. wont let me remove from REGISTERED group?
luciash: hm ? weird
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ricks99__: seems that every user account it REGISTEREd and cannot be removed from that group
luciash: then you have to change his password or use the banning feature
i thought it was possible in older versions, maybe it was 1.9.x :-p
ricks99__: ah banning. that may work...
luciash: yes, that works with login names
and you can put explaining message to the user too
ricks99__: yup. thats what ill do .tx
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ricks99__: yuck. looks.like i'll have to make a separate rule for each user :(
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ricks99__: would b nice to b able to ban by group.
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luciash: ricks99__: ah, i thought you need only one user
ricks99__: no. potentially lots. :(
luciash: ricks99__: what you could do maybe is creating new group for them e.g. Deactivated and then assign only perms you need for them, while you would create another group named Active where you would assign the other users and move the perms from Registered group to Active group
ricks99__: y, but then, for new users who register, it would b a manual process to get them into the ACTIVE group. it would be nice if i could simply ban the entire DEACTIVATED group
luciash: i think you could add them automagically at the registration time to the Active group
sure, it just needs some coding for the banning feaure ;)
ricks99__: nudge, nudge
coaboa_: regarding ricks99 rquest: a flaging feture for users to be watched by admin/moderator would be usefull
ricks99__: dont really want to 'watch' users... i have a subscription-type site. and i need a way to deactivate accounts for folks who do not renew their subscription
but i don't want to delte the accoutn (for when they finally do renew)
xavi: ricks99__: btw, do y ou know that plugin validations can now be approved at once, indeed? (in tiki 3.3, at least)
ricks99__: @xavi: how/where? I asked about a perm?
xavi: I remembered you said in irc days ago that you coulnd't find it ...
tiki-plugins.php
there is a multiple checkbox option, and one dropdown like "Do this with selected": approve, ...
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ricks99__: no, i was asking for a way to autoapprove at the same time of adding the plugin
for example, for all plugins by a trusted user to automatically be approved
luciash: ricks99__: that would be dangerous, never trust any user even trusted ;)
ricks99__: even yourself ;)
ricks99__: trying to balance the "un"friendliness of the current system
i understand the need for security, but it is a huge PITA
CIA-78: tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r22790 10/trunk/modules/mod-func-breadcrumb.php: [MOD]breadcrumb: s/Recently/Last/ to have a name similar to all the other last modules
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lphuberdeau: mozilla has patches to minify javascript and css output, is there still something underway for this?
marclaporte: hi lphuberdeau
nice to see you here
lphuberdeau: good morning
quarterly visit
marclaporte: hahaha
I don't think there is anything in the code. Checking now
lphuberdeau: there is something about minify javascript, but it's really just conditional includes
marclaporte: do you like the SUMO solution, or do you think it needs some love?
I think Jonny is aware of latest state of minify
sylvieg: I think we decided to minify only at release .. see devel list
lphuberdeau: is there anything done regarding this?
marclaporte: nothing indicated here: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/wish2706
-: marclaporte is checking devel list
sylvieg: better to ask jonny
marclaporte: lphuberdeau : I see nothing
lphuberdeau: that's why I'm asking
marclaporte: minify just at release is not so great if we modify css, so I guess that's why SUMO does create minified version?
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lphuberdeau: from what I can see, unless I'm really being naive in this interpretation, is that it's done on the fly and cached
marclaporte: jonnyb: : http://irc.tikiwiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2009-11-02,Mon&sel=169#l165
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jonnyb: polom people
sylvieg: do we have a function taht collects all the plugin of a page?
found it plugin_mattch
jonnyb: i'm afraid i don't have a great deal to add to the minify debate - just that we should do it
it sounded like nyloth had some ideas about adding a minify thing to the release scripts
chealer: hi jonnyb
jonnyb: hi chealer
chealer: are the toolbar plugin buttons broken in trunk? when I try to add a plugin call the popup has the options REPLACE and CLOSE, none of which seem to do anything.
jonnyb: ok? worked once... :(
on wiki page edit?
CIA-78: tikiwiki: 03zchermit * r22791 10/trunk/templates/tiki-directory_add_site.tpl: [FIX] Add {tr} tag for translation
chealer: jonnyb: yes
jonnyb: yes on wiki page edit
jonnyb: but no, I don't see any "OK"
chibaguy: creating another branch on this discussion, why does the plugin form button say "Replace" rather than "Submit"? It isn't replacing anything, as far as I can tell.
jonnyb: sorry, i meant: oh?
it should say "insert" if it's a new one, "replace" if you're editing an existing one
chibaguy: Ok, that makes sense. I'll check again.
chealer: jonnyb: it seems to say REPLACE always
jonnyb: verified on several pages
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chealer: jonnyb: does it sometimes work for you?
jonnyb: do you sometimes have INSERT?
jonnyb: i'm deep in the middle of some server stuff - i've made a note & will check later
chealer: ok
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CIA-78: tikiwiki: 03chealer * r22792 10/trunk/templates/header_jquery.tpl:
tikiwiki: remove moo blurbs which seemed to cause errors and seem useless
tikiwiki: I hope this doesn't break something
luciash: when does the tikifest start today ?
sylvieg: I can not find the good function - I am sure it exists - is ther a function that gives me all the plugins of a page ?
os a plugin - if fact I am looking only all the {IMG
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luciash: sylvieg: PLUGINMANAGER doesn't allow that ?
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sylvieg: PLUGINMANAGER is all the plugin - I want the ones with their params used in a wiki page
plugin_match gives me only the first one
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pascalstjean: TikiFest Broadcast is back on.
CIA-78: tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r22793 10/trunk/ (14 files in 8 dirs): [NEW] Minify javascript on the fly and generate publicly available static file
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-: luciash can't seem to get focus on wysiwyg textarea in Opera :(
marclaporte: polom
-: marclaporte officially declares the TikiFest open
luciash: err, not Opera, Arora (WebKit)
ah, seems CKEditor doesn't work with that
ok
pascalstjean: BigBlueButton server is back online
xavi: brb.... after switching file storage from db to files on disk in tiki 3.3, files are still kept on db
luciash: ah, i wondered already
bbl, dinner time
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I3igDmsu: i am attempting to insert javascript on a wiki page and a portion of the link in the script is url and it gets parsed. How do i avoid this from getting parsed? ( I am inserting a google gadget)
xavi: bbl
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CIA-78: tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r22794 10/trunk/tiki-login.php: [FIX] ? was being added at the end of the user login on tiki-change_password.php on new install/change password needed
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nkoth: anyone touched profiles.tw.o?
luciash: I3igDmsu: try the JS plugin
I3igDmsu: or HTML plugin
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I3igDmsu: lucaish: i tried both the js and html plugins, and the "url" portion is still being parsed.
luciash: in what version ?
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I3igDmsu: v3.2
marclaporte: I want to branch
luciash: I3igDmsu: if that doesn't work you have to put it in your custom module on Admin → Modules and then include that module on the wiki page using MODULE plugin
I3igDmsu: don't forget put the JS code between {literal}{/literal} there
bbl
I3igDmsu: thanks
that worked
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DeathBadger: I tried installing tiki4 last night, got through the install through selection of template (I chose company intranet). After I clicked the accept button on the template selection form the browser sat for a while and eventually just stopped with a blank page. Does anyone know if this part should be working with tiki4 at the moment?
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chealer: DeathBadger: it should be working, but you can try another profile (or a bare-bones install)
sylvieg: DeathBadger: I introduced a bug .. friday - do a svn up (i could have bug at the hoe bug creation)
sorry home page creatio
marclaporte: polom
We need to branch
and we need to get the script merge 4x. -> branch to work
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changi|home: polom
xavi: anybody knows if it is possible to move files (in file gals in tiki3.3) from db to files on disk?
brrrrr, downloading files from file galleries through the zip option doesn't work either (at least in 3.3)
marclaporte: changi: ready to upgrade some sites to Tiki4?
(the ultimate DogFood)
changi|home: yes my lord :)
which one do you want to start with ?
marclaporte: doc
changi|home: ok, just a second to make a little backup and go
marclaporte: tks
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changi|home: don't panic, i'm still here :)
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marclaporte: lOL
changi|home: just finishing the deb package for tiki3.3
:)
i'll soon commit the makefile to build it
marclaporte: :-)
-: marclaporte loves apt-get
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changi|home: You should stop using apt-get and use aptitude :)
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changi|home: marclaporte: ready ?
marclaporte: yes!
changi|home: sync from trunk ?
marclaporte: yes
please add to footer: This site is running a development version of Tiki4, last updated on 2009-11-02. Bugs are expected. Thanks for your patience, as we eat our own <a href="htt://tikiwiki.org/DogFood">DogFood</a>.
CIA-78: tikiwiki: 03dexl_2000 * r22795 10/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [MOD] fixing and made the register.php work with ajax.
marclaporte: yay Dexter!
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changi|home will not fall
CIA-78: tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r22796 10/trunk/lib/notifications/notificationemaillib.php: [ENH] Mozilla upstream 409683. Do not send watch email to post author in forums
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luciash: sylvieg: hi, in trackerlist, is it possible to extend $excatvalue to support array of possible exactr values ? (like match $user Foo OR Bar)
*$exactvalue
sylvieg: I think so luciash - in TRACKERLIST?
luciash: yep
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sylvieg: it should be in the doc - otherwise will update the doc
luciash: it now supports only array of $filterfield match array of $exactvalue
but i would like one field to filter more possible exactvalues
iiuc
(if i understand correctly)
-: changi|home marc are you ready :?
luciash: sylvieg: is that right ?
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marclaporte: changi|home : yes
changi|home: little trouble with upgrade
did not found driver
marclaporte: can you post error message?
changi|home: juste have a look at doc.two
marclaporte: it's not happy
changi|home: :)
luciash: driver ?
changi|home: database upgrade went fine
putting old code
marclaporte: nothing like Dogfood
changi|home: that's crazy, look to work with tiki3.2 :)
luciash: ?
ran sh setup.sh ?
changi|home: already done
luciash: sylvieg: i have this in wikiplugin_trackerlist.php now → http://paste-it.net/public/cad4e2e/
sylvieg: sorrywas busy
there is a way I think...
luciash: sylvieg: i would like to list items only if user field matches user's friends
but afaik $exactvalue (if it is an array) is exploded by : and paired with each $filterfield id, isn't it ? so it doesn't work
changi|home: does anyone have an idea ?
sylvieg: no it does not work - I hacked this one but never commit
luciash: sylvieg: ah, really ? and did your hack work ?
changi|home: no crystal ball here, sorry
changi|home: lol
sylvieg: the hack was filterfile=1:2 exactfieds=a|b:c|d
luciash: sylvieg: yep, something like that would be very nice
sylvieg: I never committed because I did not want to have to support later a syntax that is really messy
luciash: sylvieg: why haven't you commited that ? :)
hahah
filterfield=1:2 exactvalue=a|b:c|d doesn't look that messy to me ;)
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luciash: it could be also exactvalue1=a:b exactvalue2=c:d
ibrrorg: i have a mediawiki and want to switch to your wiki is the 'coding' the use of the <div style and [[ for example the same on your wiki?
luciash: ibrrorg: slightly different but we have mediawiki importer thanks to GSOC student
div is {DIV()}...{DIV} and wiki link is ((Wiki))
ibrrorg: thank you and i will try it out as i believe it will fit better with my needs; is there a place to go read to learn the changes in the coding?
luciash: >doctwo WikiSyntax
Sug4r: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/WikiSyntax
sylvieg: the problem is taht some guys when to do and and or between filds - otherwnats to do not on value...
luciash: iirc
sylvieg: we need to introduce a proper clear syntax
ibrrorg: thank ya'll very much for your time!
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luciash: sylvieg: we could also simply use "or" and "and" as in smarty syntax
-: marclaporte is happy Sylvie is here
luciash: but well, that is difficult right because then we need to quote strings etc.
better maybe | and & there.... it shouldn't hurt
sylvieg: soemthing like filterstring="$f_12 eq 12 and $f_14 ne 1 or $f_11 eq 3"
luciash: sylvieg: i think that would be more complicated because you can have "or" and "and" in the filed values you want to filter
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changi|home: just a little question, does PDO mandatory in TIki4 ?
sylvieg: no
you can change in db/local.php the interface
changi|home: with api_tiki ?
sylvieg: $api_tiki = 'adodb';
changi|home: ok, and if my php settings doesn't include PDO or adodb ?
-: changi|home love gentoo :(
luciash: sylvieg: i would propose to keep ":" for separator, "&" for logical "and" "|" for logical "or" and when necessary to filter them, escape them with like :,&,|
sylvieg: pdo is the default in t4 - adodb in 3 ..(I think
luciash: changi|home: then you're out, you need at least adodb but pdo is more supported in Tiki4 i think
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sylvieg: luciash: you do not need anymore adodb - at least I think so
luciash: yep, pdo or adodb
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chealer: sylvieg is right
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chealer: changi|home: ADOdb is a PHP library bundled with Tiki
luciash: ah, correct, i forgot, adodb is included
but when pdo is present it is not used
is that correct ?
sylvieg: pdo is not used except if in db/local.php you set $api_tiki='adodb';
chealer: luciash: when you're using PDO (which is the default), yes
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chealer: s/pdo is not used/adodb is not used/
(true for trunk)
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jonnyb: polom-fest
CIA-78: tikiwiki: 03chealer * r22797 10/trunk/tiki-admin.php:
tikiwiki: [FIX] feature_version_checks only controls whether version checks are done automatically
tikiwiki: hopefully fix version checks for good now
tikiwiki: 03chealer * r22798 10/trunk/lib/smarty_tiki/function.query.php: get rid of some code thanks to PHP 5 requirement
marclaporte: changi|home : perhaps sylvieg can help with the fatal error on doc upgrade?
changi|home: did someone else than amette have access to Xen0 ?
sylvieg: marclaporte: ?
marclaporte: polom
sylvieg : changi upgraded doc to tiki4
and boum
sylvieg: waht should I know about doc.tw
jonnyb: ik
sylvieg: you like dangerous life guys..
because we can not back to 3 now
doc.tw is not responding
changi|home: i have the database backup
jonnyb: i've been meaning to ask for a while, but how do you do the nickname|status thing?
changi|home: slash nick you|what :)
sylvieg: but with doc.tw very slow - with a lot of access - with limitted ssh access - switching to 4 is going for trouble
jonnyb: thx changi|home
changi|home: you're welcome
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changi|home: lol
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marclaporte: changi|home: can you give sylvieg access to the exploded doc instance?
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marclaporte: oups, I wasn't reading the log :-)
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marclaporte: living on the edge, the tikiwiki way :-)
I remember when mose would run tikiwiki.org for the longest time on trunk
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jonnyb thinks dev.tw.o should always run on trunk
changi|home: i can switch doc on another vm, juste need to have a corrum to do it :)
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CIA-78: tikiwiki: 03luciash * r22799 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_trackerlist.php: [ENH] Wiki Plugin TRACKERLIST: allow to list items for specified user by request (&tr_user=foo in URL)
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r22800 10/trunk/lib/webmail/contactlib.php: [FIX] Missing var init
changi|home: or should we wait until Amette come back !
luciash: amette seems to be extended-away, i wrote him an email last night and he didn't reply yet :/
CIA-78: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r22801 10/trunk/templates/tiki-show_page.tpl:
tikiwiki: [FIX] wikitext div should be clear:both aka .clearfix
tikiwiki: Tested on several themes and several browsers (but not all - please let me know of any problems)
jonnyb: hey chealer - you busy? i'm finally looking at the plugin edit form on trunk (you irc'd me a while ago)
chealer: jonnyb: I'm all here
jonnyb: good to see the leg's looking better :)
chealer: jonnyb: yeah, it seems Marc's is worst than mine now :S
jonnyb: ooeer
that's what fighting in the streets of Barcelona does!
chealer: hehe
jonnyb: anyway - agreed it always says "replace" on the button, but it seems to work for me
chealer: jonnyb: ah. I'll see more in depth then
luciash: it says replace for me when not in edit mode
then it says insert
iirc
jonnyb: yup - you're right luciash (hi)
chealer: luciash: when not in edit mode... meaning in creation mode?
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luciash: chealer: as in plugin helper icon mode
viewing the page and clicking it
we need t ocheck the skype status nowadays ?
jonnyb: definitely not
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luciash: :)
jonnyb: DON'T PANIC
chealer: luciash: ah
jonnyb: it works at least somewhat
jonnyb: found a JS error (yay, textarea is undefined - again!)
chealer: jonnyb: gah, it works, it's just that the text is added at the end of the page
I suppose that's normal
jonnyb: ah, firefox?
chealer: jonnyb: yes
jonnyb: 3.5?
chealer: jonnyb: 3.5.4
jonnyb: it's a "feature"
3.0 is ok
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chealer: jonnyb: a Firefox feature :?
jonnyb: (and everyone else)
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jonnyb: a Firefox 3.5 feature
luciash: huh ?
chealer: jonnyb: "interesting". do you know more about it?
jonnyb: Moz made Firefox weird in 3.5 in several subtle ways - textarea JS access being one of them
luciash: jonnyb: isn't it sometimes that the jquery is slow or the page load slow that these undefined errors appear ?
jonnyb: not if it's doc.ready stuff (but maybe it isn't)
luciash: iiuc it happens only "sometimes" ?
chealer: jonnyb: do you have say a link about that? my iceweasel works fine with phpBB 3 posts, which would seem equivalent to me.
jonnyb: sorry chealer, no, but they definitely changed lots of stuff
chealer: jonnyb: OK. so you're saying we'd need to adapt Tiki to bring it back to what we have with Firefox 3.0?
luciash: jonnyb: i would ignore these undefined JS errors if it works good otherwise for now
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jonnyb: chealer: yes, LPH already fixed one of them (the insertAt fn wasn't working in tabs) - i just need to nail these last few
if everyone used a "perfect" browser i'd be out of a job, more or less
chealer: jonnyb: I see, thank you.
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chealer: hehehe
jonnyb: luciash: i prefer to not ignore errors, even warnings lead to fixes for some people
chealer: so neither jonnyb nor luciash is getting REPLACE instead of SUBMIT in edit mode?
luciash: jonnyb: sure, i mean for _now_, we can nail them later in branch4 ;)
chealer: I'm afraid I'd also be jobless if the world was a perfect place
luciash: chealer: i get it in edit mode
jonnyb: yes, i get replace
chealer: OK, so that's the only problem then
jonnyb: when it's "inserting" and "insert" when replacing - def a bug
luciash: wow, what happened with the tikifest ? ;)
chealer: I mean, regression
we're moving just a few meters
luciash: hehe
jonnyb: must be that 5% beer...
luciash: *g*
jonnyb: well, i would prefer insert... replace sounds like the selected text will be replaced completely
jonnyb: really? even if you're editing an existing plugin?
luciash: ah, editing only, then i would say Edit or Save instead of Replace
for the Find and Replace i guess Replace is ok there
jonnyb: there are only two labels (now) for the button - either if you're replacing something, or if you're not (i.e. it's a new one)
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jonnyb: think i'm going to have to leave this for another day anyway - just did about 4 days straight getting a server set up (the hard way ;) )
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luciash: jonnyb: np
jonnyb: nitey nite - more tomorrow (not going out, which should help)
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