#tikiwiki 2009-11-12,Thu

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CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r23107 10/branches/4.x/templates/modules/mod-calendar_new.tpl: [FIX] CSS id to class change consistent with changes in r23106.	[03:02]
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luciash	polom	[03:24]
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chibaguytoo	heh, I lose my irc connection whenever the phone (land line) rings here.	[03:33]
luciash	doh :)	[03:33]
chibaguytoo	fortunately, most calls are cell phone.	[03:33]
luciash	luciash cancelled landline contract several years ago	[03:34]
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chibaguytoo	I wonder why my zukakakina youtube usermodule isn't wiki parsed since 3.3 -> 4.x upgrade.	[03:49]
luciash	chibaguytoo: you have "must be wiki parsed" ticked ?	[03:50]
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chibaguy	yep	[03:51]
luciash	:( you have it wrapped in {wiki} or {literal} ?	[03:52]
chibaguy	well, it's partly parsed. the opening div tag apparently is parsed, since it doesn't display and its 'align=center' is applied, and an image appears ok, but the link syntax displays rather than is parsed. no, no wrapping.	[03:53]
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chibaguy	it worked as it is, before. are the wiki or literal tags now needed?	[03:54]
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chibaguytoo	rrr phone rang again adding {wiki} tags didn't help.	[03:59]
luciash	chibaguy: is the url treated to <x> ? regression ? what i know for sure is that wikiplugins do not work in tpl files here using the {wiki} wrapper even in 3.x	[04:00]
chibaguytoo	no <x> is added. what is breaking seems to be the links. an external link made with wiki syntax that opens as a shadowbox, and an HTML syntax link (in order to have target=_blank).	[04:05]
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luciash	oh ? i thought you have only youtube wikiplugin there, sorry	[04:06]
chibaguy	no, I used a usermodule in order to have a shadowbox popup or open in new window. simpler usermodules are ok.	[04:08]
luciash	do you see in the rendered source what's wrong ?	[04:09]
chibaguy	the div tag that's part of the module data is parsed ok, but the external link syntax that follows it is just displayed rather than parsed.	[04:16]
luciash	try to wrap only the external link to wiki smarty block but i don't know why it shouldn't work can you show the syntax here ?	[04:17]
chibaguy	[http://www.youtube.com/cp/vjVQa1PpcFNlL5jzeVZ-lBrNHv7XEfwltrQauZjAFA0=\|{img src="http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/tJ4f8fiCW2c/default.jpg"} (shadowbox popup)\|shadowbox;width=416;height=337;\|nocache] :-) so what should display is the image and (shadowbox popup) as caption, which are the link anchor. I wonder if img syntax changed	[04:21]
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CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r23108 10/trunk/ (13 files in 2 dirs): [MOD] lesser magic : some more prefs in admin look template	[04:36]
lindon_	should be no change to img if only original parameters are used preserved old code in that case	[04:37]
SEWilco2	chibaguy: Maybe you should add a shadowbox formatting option to the IMAGE plugin. IMAGE supports wrapping an image in a link. (at least there is an option for linking an image... it's been a while so don't remember if I tested that)	[04:40]
luciash	chibaguy: oh, right, img will not work anymore like this because it became plugin syntax so smarty is confused then and thinks "is this a smarty function or wiki plugin" ?	[04:42]
SEWilco2	I know IMAGE works within module environment. It's doing the automatic resizing in theredbulls.org modules.	[04:43]
lindon_	luciash: what do you mean it became plugin syntax?	[04:44]
luciash	chibaguy: and then decides, ok, lets suppose it is wiki plugin and boom, it's broken because you cannot have wiki plugins inside wiki syntax	[04:44]
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SEWilco2	Oh, you're using it in tpl. Is that necessary?	[04:45]
luciash	lindon_: i mean that all lowercase wiki syntaxes with curly brackets become identical to {FOO()}...	[04:45]
CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r23109 10/branches/4.x/modules/ (mod-func-webmail_inbox.php mod-webmail_inbox.php): [ENH] Change webmail_inbox module to new module style (modules-doc).	[04:45]
luciash	s/become/became lindon_: {img ...} was no plugin before 2.x	[04:45]
lindon_	but it used to not work that way? ok. i see	[04:46]
luciash	it was plain wiki syntax parsed	[04:47]
lindon_	got it, thank you	[04:47]
luciash	as we have with __text__, ~tc~, etc. ;) chibaguy: but SEWilco2 is right you could use the IMG plugin with link param now	[04:47]
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lindon_	and shadowbox	[04:48]
luciash	chibaguy: but anyway, lot of people will have this upgrade problem i suppose i saw it before	[04:48]
SEWilco2	If smarty doesn't want to parse wiki, can't you stuff the wiki string through the wikiparser?	[04:49]
luciash	that ppl tend to use [... with img	[04:49]
SEWilco2	But are people using [... in tpl? Isn't part of the problem that you're using it in a tpl?	[04:50]
luciash	SEWilco2: he is not using it in tpl, just in custom user module SEWilco2: but they are parsed as tpl SEWilco2: same as with custom code textareas in L&F SEWilco2: but you can use the wiki syntax in tpl too if you wrap it in {wiki} block	[04:50]
SEWilco2	Oh, OK. Never had that problem. I think I've been using IMAGE with links in user modules. Restarting my browser to check.	[04:52]
lindon_	SEWilco2: do you use the mandatory and default parameters in IMAGE?	[04:53]
SEWilco2	But then, solving your incantation is a different matter than trying to make the incantation work for others who might be using it. lindon_: Yes. I created 'mandatory' so I can force size 150 when in 'module' sections.	[04:54]
luciash	oups, this sucks :( the help tool in branch4 doesn't display the plugin helper to insert plugin code in Chrome browser	[04:56]
lindon_	SEWilco2: could that also be done through plugin alias?	[04:57]
SEWilco2	lindon_: Should be able to, that's why I suggested plugin alias. I haven't had a chance to try it myself.	[04:59]
lindon_	SEWilco2: i updated the IMG plugin to combine features of IMAGE, THUMB, PICTURE and old img but i didn't carry forward the mandatory and default parameters from IMAGE	[04:59]
SEWilco2	Ah, here's one incantation being used in a user module: {IMAGE(fileId=1130, link=dl1975) /} Yup, the link option is working.	[05:00]
lindon_	now we've been discussing how to replace THUMB, IMAGE, PICTURE etc and just have IMG Marc has suggested using plugin alias to achieve that	[05:01]
luciash	yep	[05:02]
SEWilco2	lindon_: That's why I created IMAGE. Mark something as being an image, and the admin controls the appearance. Separate editor's task from presentation. lindon_: And the formatting options such as 'mandatory' in IMAGE are designed to work with plugin alias to let site admin control image appearance.	[05:03]
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chibaguy	sorry, lost connection then was away but am reading the log	[05:06]
lindon_	SEWilco2: so do you think the default and mandatory parameters are necessary in the surviving IMG plugin?	[05:07]
SEWilco2	lindon_: Consider having to alter all {img} incantations when changing a site's image appearance. Or worse. lindon_: Look at http://www.theredbulls.org/ and notice the left module which shows articles is also showing the article image resized automatically. That's done with 'mandatory'.	[05:07]
lindon_	and the idea is that you could change all the mandatory sizes at once? instead of going image by image?	[05:10]
SEWilco2	That site's IMAGE plugin has a 'mandatory' definition that when in an Article section (center panel) the width is rather wide. When image is in a module section (side module) the width is 150. lindon_: The site's appearance and style can be controlled by the site administrator. The editors just have to mark the kind of content and request things such as size or left/right position. The admin can set default or mandatory appearance settings.	[05:10]
lindon_	and the admin does that through plugin alias? nice site, by the way :)	[05:14]
SEWilco2	lindon_: Yes. Just delete '$mandatory=...' from the IMAGE plugin code and set it in plugin alias. That's why I requested plugin alias. lindon_: The logic is: 'default' settings can be overriden when using IMAGE. But 'mandatory' is then interpreted and overrides the others. lindon_: I also have an AUDIO and VIDEO plugin which are intended to be used the same way. They don't have all the code yet, but that's the idea. Mark the kind of content, and how it appears changes with design or technical needs. lindon_: We have to port our mods forward so we can contribute them. lindon_: If you browse the file galleries you might notice we added thumbnailing. We added admin config options to specify the plugin to use for thumbnailing audio, video, and image files. lindon_: We expect the technologies used for displaying media will change. Images might use shadowbox, video might use HTML5, etc. lindon_: And the main problem with the older image technologies is that an editor was selecting a display technology, rather than just saying that he wanted an image at this location. Well, off to recharge the brain for another day's ruckus.	[05:15]
lindon_	thanks for your help on this I understand better now what the idea is	[05:24]
SEWilco2	So actually, whatever is done to IMG, it's just another display technology to be added to IMAGE configuration. :-) Well, unless IMG invokes IMAGE. Then things might get complicated.	[05:25]
lindon_	what if mandatory and default parameters were added to IMG?	[05:27]
CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r23110 10/branches/4.x/modules/ (mod-func-login_box.php mod-func-logo.php): [ENH] Change login_box and logo modules to new module style (modules-doc). tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r23111 10/branches/4.x/ (lib/modules/modlib.php modules/mod-func-webmail_inbox.php): [FIX] Add flip param to all modules (and remove from common_params on webmail_inbox)	[05:28]
lindon_	because the idea was to combine things into one plugin	[05:31]
SEWilco2	I find those parameters useful, so I'm sure others also would.	[05:31]
lindon_	are you going to montreal or listening in?	[05:32]
SEWilco2	Well, yes. The idea of IMAGE was to combine things into one plugin. Although the combination shouldn't require the editor to select appearance items... the editor can optionally specify the appearance, but that can be overridden. What would be best for an image user interface is drag-and-drop an image into content. They're just indicating they want an image there. The system then shows the image based on the site's style configuration.	[05:33]
lindon_	agree that would be best although with some ability to affect the display	[05:35]
SEWilco2	Yup. Some sites might offer flexibility, some not. That site has several default sizes, but the user can override that in case they want a featured image or a thumbnail. But if the image appears in a module, it's forced to be size 150 for obvious reasons.	[05:38]
lindon_	understood but there was interest in combining THUMB IMAGE PICTURE and IMG because people thought it was confusing to have so many image plugins so that's what the new IMG was supposed to do but the mandatory and default parameters hadn't been carried forward and that's what I wanted to make sure about with you i'll bring it up in montreal	[05:39]
SEWilco2	That's probably because the people didn't understand the design philosophy of IMAGE. They didn't understand that the style configuration is needed in order to separate the content from its presentation. I couldn't figure out a reasonable abstraction, or I'd just have a CONTENT plugin for all kinds of content. But we're not used to having to include a parameter which says whether an object is text, image, slideshow, audio, video, video stream, whiteboard, etc. Well, at least most editing staff isn't used to it. I'm comfortable with <OBJECT> :-)	[05:42]
lindon_	not sure how the tikifest's work (my fist one)	[05:46]
SEWilco2	Oh, yeah, I also have a SLIDESHOW plugin. That one's tech is going to have a number of variations. No, fists seem to rarely be used. Or maybe that's why the video feed cuts out.	[05:46]
lindon_	but would you want to participate if people want to discuss?	[05:47]
SEWilco2	I can't seem to participate well. My Firefox doesn't want to allow audio/video. I wonder if there's a plugin which shows which Firefox tabs are using CPU. Well, I'll have IRC on. Someone can call out if they want me in the fest chat. zzz.	[05:48]
lindon_	ok, that sounds good I'll make sure people know that you consider these parameters important although I can't really do justice as to why as well as you can	[05:51]
CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03luciash * r23112 10/branches/4.x/lib/smarty_tiki/resource.wiki.php: [FIX] trackerlist: better error message when tiki_p_use_as_template perm not assigned (TODO: do not cache)	[05:53]
lindon_	so we'll get you by chat to get the real story :) got to pack now thanks again for your help	[05:55]
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chibaguy	I wonder why target="_blank" is automatically added to {img}. because of the external link? I added rel="shadowbox" to the syntax, but it's overridden by the target syntax, apparently.	[06:28]
yonixxx	boker tov	[06:29]
chibaguy	hey yonixxx	[06:29]
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chibaguy	btw, the image popup form for inserting the syntax isn't working, in Opera anyway, in current 4.x branch (but I'll check db update once more).	[06:32]
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chibaguy	hm, what is this "License:" at the bottom of wiki editpages?	[06:36]
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yonixxx	If someone has the trick i appreciate. At the bottom of most of the page on my tw3.2 the wiki help is always OPEN. How can i keep it closed (and be open only when needed). btw a user with no right of editing (like a forum reader/writer) should be limited to the usual formatting tools.	[06:40]
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chibaguy	yonixxx, that is fixed now, I guess as of 3.3. (ah, I see "License" appears because copyright feature was turned on.)	[06:45]
yonixxx	ah ok i just made the update... I'll checki it out nope still open here. :(	[06:47]
CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r23113 10/branches/4.x/styles/layout/ (design-reference.css design.css): [ENH] Bullets on list items look inappropriate and unnecessary, being outside of alternating background colors.	[06:59]
chibaguy	yonixxx, what browser are you using? Also, if you have Ajax turned on, try turning it off.	[07:01]
yonixxx	ie let me check on ff same on FF... and turning off ajax doen't help (ff and ie)	[07:03]
chibaguy	It's the wiki edit help that is displaying, not the advanced search help, right?	[07:08]
yonixxx	yes wiki help	[07:08]
chibaguy	hmm, strange.	[07:08]
yonixxx	may be a cache... can u check : http://israelfr.com/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?comments_parentId=18196&topics_sort_mode=lastPost_desc&forumId=15	[07:09]
chibaguy	if you switch your (individual) theme preference to another theme, does the wikihelp still display? i mean switch to an included theme in 3.3.	[07:10]
yonixxx	good idea... let me check	[07:11]
chibaguy	(wondering if it could be a theme issue)	[07:11]
yonixxx	you have a prefered one ? :)	[07:11]
chibaguy	no, any standard one to check with - thenews, for example.	[07:12]
yonixxx	changed same	[07:12]
chibaguy	yep	[07:13]
yonixxx	gargl... ?! is there an option to display it or not (may be it needs to be reinitialized) ?	[07:13]
chibaguy	yes, I think on the admin features page	[07:15]
yonixxx	Well i search already everywhere of course. i could have missed it...	[07:17]
chibaguy	under the UI Enhancements tab - "Floating help aka the Big Blue Button"	[07:18]
yonixxx	i think it is off... i check	[07:20]
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yonixxx	(dam i have to find it back with french menu, multilinguale is off) :)	[07:22]
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CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r23114 10/branches/4.x/styles/layout/ (design-reference.css design.css): [FIX] Made previous change specific to admin pages.	[07:25]
yonixxx	ok it is off anyway	[07:28]
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miki_tnt	good morning everybody	[07:33]
yonixxx	hello	[07:34]
miki_tnt	i have a fast question to do. In tikiwiki 3.3, can I create pages with the same name for different groups?	[07:35]
yonixxx	miki: i pass, i'm realy bad with wiki pages	[07:42]
chibaguy	miki_tnt, no, don't think so. i think that's on the roadmap, but not implemented yet.	[07:42]
CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03luciash * r23115 10/branches/4.x/lib/smarty_tiki/block.display.php: [ENH] Smarty display block: enhancements to make display block much more useful (especially to filter out displaying of Pretty Trackers items to groups or friends in trackerlist)	[07:43]
macnific	Hi...everyone.	[07:44]
miki_tnt	it is maybe implemented in the 4 version with workspaces ?	[07:47]
chibaguy	workspaces is not functional yet, in version 4.	[07:48]
macnific	By default Tiki saves files from wiki attachments, image galleries, file galleries, trackers, userfiles, etc., in the database. But you might configure it to store them in your file tree in the server, so the database is kept as small as possible for backups, etc. As I created those extra directories and Tikiwiki did not recognize them, I am asking myself: Do I need to do this operation right now at the installation and configuration moment or is it also possible to start working with Tikiwiki recording images and file inside the database. Can TikiWiki bring them all from the database into these directories if we create them later in the future?	[07:48]
chibaguy	If i recall correctly, there is a "move from database to file directory" tool for file galleries or image galleries, but I don't know about all the things you listed.	[07:50]
macnific	if the intention is to reduze backup time, wouldn't I need to back up these directories as well? have you had troubles letting the files inside the database?	[07:50]
chibaguy	I think backing up file directories should be easier and more risk-free than backing up a database.	[07:51]
macnific	I see	[07:51]
chibaguy	I've had trouble restoring images in the database, but maybe was my own ignorance.	[07:52]
macnific	but TW keep telling me it can not record on it even if the directories permission was set to 777 Should I put these directories inside or outside tw directories? I do not find inside documentation the best practice for that.	[07:53]
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chibaguy	outside the web root is safer, if it can work. I have to go now. will be back later.	[07:58]
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miki_tnt	I have found a problem in my tikiwiki 3.2 I cant access with admin user the page refreshs itself and it does not do nothing could anybody help me? But early in the morning I could access with no problem	[09:20]
	where can I see the logs? i can see apache logs 127.0.0.1 - - [12/Nov/2009:10:17:01 +0100] "GET /wiki-telecom-tecnalia/tiki-index.php HTTP/1.1" 200 13009 81.43.127.239 - - [12/Nov/2009:10:18:28 +0100] "GET /wiki-telecom-tecnalia/ HTTP/1.1" 302 - 81.43.127.239 - - [12/Nov/2009:10:18:28 +0100] "GET /wiki-telecom-tecnalia/tiki-index.php HTTP/1.1" 200 13009	[09:30]
	does anybody know how to solve this problem?	[09:37]
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CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03luciash * r23118 10/branches/4.x/lib/smarty_tiki/block.display.php: [FIX] Smarty display block: better example in comment, fix groups	[10:32]
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coaboa	Can i create a table without borders in a wikipage?	[11:55]
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marclaporte	coaboa : yes try pluginsplit http://doc.tikiwiki.org/PluginSplit	[12:02]
CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r23119 10/branches/4.x/tiki-register_ajax.php: tikiwiki: [KIL] Dexter said: I've looked over this file again, and the reason its kept is tikiwiki: that it could be used when there are lots of ajax functions, to keep things tikiwiki: clean in the tiki-register.php. but currently it isn't used, so it is safe and tikiwiki: ok to remove it.	[12:16]
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coaboa	is there a way to center the result? It works but alignment is to the right. align=> had no effect. sorry --- too much	[12:20]
CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03luciash * r23120 10/branches/4.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_tabs.php: [FIX] Tabs wikiplugin: parse wiki syntax in tabs	[12:22]
grobda24	Is there a way to use the Quick Edit module in the menu ? It seems to be a template (TPL). I'm not sure how to show it like the find field at the top. I could write a little bit of html to use "tiki-editpage.php?page=new" but I wonder if this is already in there ?	[12:23]
luciash	grobda24: in menu ?	[12:27]
grobda24	luciash, yeah, although it would need an entry field of course	[12:27]
luciash	i don't get it, sorry	[12:28]
grobda24	ok, you see the find field on most sites at the top right "feature_search" ?	[12:28]
luciash	try {wiki}{MODULE(module=quick_edit)}{MODULE}{/wiki}	[12:29]
grobda24	I would like to add another field there for creating new pages. oh, ok thanks I'll look at that :)	[12:29]
coaboa	Is there a way to only remove "HomePage" Title from that HomePage. If i switch off in Wiki Prefs all Titles are gone	[12:31]
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luciash	coaboa: {if $page eq 'HomePage'}<style type="text/css">h1 {display: none}</style>{/if} on tiki-admin.php?page=look&cookietab=2	[12:34]
coaboa	thx	[12:36]
luciash	urw	[12:36]
coaboa	one more to go ;-) made a fancytable -> module=>top_articles.php loaded this @ homepge. Is there a way to have a background image for this module or to use a style only on homepage	[12:36]
luciash	same way as above	[12:39]
coaboa	replace $page with $module	[12:41]
Tikiwiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: Navigation > Im Kopf/Head anzeigen lassen - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=10&comments_parentId=35220	[12:41]
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coaboa	I just wanted the loaded Modules to have a different bg image applied... Not the look of Homepage.	[12:43]
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luciash	coaboa: nope, you have to inspect the element attributes (find class or id) and then put it on new line after the h1 CSS and set it there... you have to know CSS etc. for example #id_of_the_module {background: transparent url('path/to/your/image.png') top right no-repeat}	[12:43]
coaboa	ok. I'll try this. THX	[12:47]
marclaporte	perhaps PluginFancyTable http://doc.tikiwiki.org/PluginFancyTable	[12:50]
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grobda24	luciash, it needed literal tags but it works Had an error though - http://pastebin.com/m105a5899 But now it seems ok grobda24 loves how configurable TW is	[13:06]
luciash	ah, yep, module plugin needs approval	[13:07]
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grobda24	luciash, oh, right, that's what it was.	[13:16]
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CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r23121 10/branches/4.x/lib/tikilib.php: tikiwiki: [FIX] strike syntax ("--") would match HTML comment ends to HTML comment starts tikiwiki: from invocations of plugins using Smarty, such as wikiplugin_calendar, when tikiwiki: log_tpl is enabled, resulting in content between a comment and the next one tikiwiki: being commented. tikiwiki: This solution does not consider "-->" as a strike begin tikiwiki: thanks Jonny	[13:47]
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I3igDmsu	how do i get rid of the login box in the top bar? i am using the tikinewt theme.	[14:29]
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SEWilco2	I3igDmsu: Under Admin>Home click on Look & Feel. Then there will be 3 tabs - I think the 2nd one has a checkbox for login.	[14:31]
I3igDmsu	thanks just found it	[14:31]
SEWilco2	Oh, good. Did I remember correctly?	[14:32]
I3igDmsu	haha you sure did. the problem i am having is i have moved my login box to a module on the right pane and now when i log in, it doesnt say "welcome UserName" with an option to Logout. I prefer to have this on the topbar how do i do this?	[14:34]
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wog	hi all sorry for offtopic but does one of you use ourproject.org?	[14:44]
SEWilco2	I3igDmsu: I think there is a login module, but don't remember how it behaves. I also don't rememember how topbar behaves.	[14:47]
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ricks99	@I3igDmsu: u will need to turn the option back on. Then edit the TPL to show the login area only if a a user is logged in. For example: {if $user}.....{/if}	[14:48]
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I3igDmsu	ricks99: do you know which .TPL file i will have to edit?	[15:02]
chibaguy	I3igDmsu: tiki-site_header_login.tpl	[15:09]
I3igDmsu	thanks	[15:09]
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ricks99	tx chibabuy	[15:11]
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I3igDmsu	chibaguy: i believe i have it and displays correctly on the site, could you verufy the code quickly if i send it over? is goolge maps integrated with v3.2 now? is it a mod or plugin?	[15:23]
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chibaguy	what do you mean by verify?	[15:38]
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I3igDmsu	can i just send the code here and you you make sure there arent any errors its only a few lines {* $Id: tiki-site_header.tpl 12554 2008-04-15 23:03:57Z luciash $ *} {strip} {if $user} <div id="siteloginbar" class="logged-in">{$user\|userlink} \| <a href="tiki-logout.php" title="{tr}Logout{/tr}">{tr}Logout{/tr}</a></div> {else} <div id="siteloginbar">{if $user}{$user\|userlink} \| <a href="tiki-logout.php" title="{tr}Logout{/tr}">{tr}Logout{/tr}</a> {/if} {/if} </div> {/strip}	[15:46]
sylvieg	is it normal that the babelfish feature needs bttom bar on?	[15:47]
chibaguy	sylvieg, I thought babelfish could be in a module, or was a module. If so, the feature wouldn't need bottom bar.	[15:49]
sylvieg	ok...	[15:50]
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ricks99	@I3igDmsu: that's the code for the Logout link. but you will also need to remove the code that displays the login box, since you do not want that to appear	[15:51]
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I3igDmsu	ricks99: all i want the top bar to say is the login name and then a logout link is there anything extra in there?	[15:53]
chibaguy	I3igDmsu: the positions of the {/if} and </div> near the end need to be switched.	[15:54]
ricks99	did u already remove the code that shows the LOGIN link	[15:54]
I3igDmsu	i believe so {* $Id: tiki-site_header.tpl 12554 2008-04-15 23:03:57Z luciash $ *} {strip} {if $user} <div id="siteloginbar" class="logged-in">{$user\|userlink} \| <a href="tiki-logout.php" title="{tr}Logout{/tr}">{tr}Logout{/tr}</a></div> {else} <div id="siteloginbar">{if $user}{$user\|userlink} \| <a href="tiki-logout.php" title="{tr}Logout{/tr}">{tr}Logout{/tr}</a> </div> {/if} {/if} {/strip} like this?	[15:54]
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I3igDmsu	the code above is all that is in the header tpl now	[15:55]
chibaguy	but the logic seems strange to me. the first div is displayed if the person is logged in. else should be the case that the person is not logged in. so I wonder why another 'if user' there, and the logout link.	[15:55]
I3igDmsu	so if i take out the if $user would that fix it?	[15:57]
chibaguy	Where is the log-in link?	[15:57]
I3igDmsu	i have it as a module on the right bar all i want the header to display is the user logged in and a logout link	[15:57]
chibaguy	oh, I see. did you try using it on your site?	[15:58]
I3igDmsu	yeah	[15:58]
chibaguy	what happened?	[15:59]
I3igDmsu	it displays fine, i just want to make sure there isn't any extra code in there that may disrupt the site	[15:59]
chibaguy	I would definitely switch the /div and /if items near the end.	[16:00]
CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r23124 10/trunk/lib/wiki/wikilib.php: [FIX] Including of jsplugin not marked as dynamic	[16:00]
I3igDmsu	ok, so like the code above on 10:54	[16:00]
chibaguy	what does a not-logged-in user see?	[16:00]
I3igDmsu	nothing, just a login box on the right bar	[16:00]
chibaguy	yes, that code, if it appears to work, but with the final </div> and </if> switched.	[16:01]
I3igDmsu	nothing displays in the top bar	[16:01]
chibaguy	ok, that's to be expected, right?	[16:01]
I3igDmsu	yup	[16:01]
chibaguy	I think the code has logic problems, but they are harmless afaict.	[16:03]
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I3igDmsu	thanks for the help	[16:15]
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CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r23125 10/branches/4.x/ (templates/tiki-editpage.tpl tiki-editpage.php): [MOD] Move old wiki_up "add image" control from tools tab to edit.	[16:23]
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macnific	By default Tiki saves files from wiki attachments, image galleries, file galleries, trackers, userfiles, etc., in the database. But you might configure it to store them in your file tree in the server, so the database is kept as small as possible for backups, etc. As I created those extra directories and Tikiwiki did not recognize them, I am asking myself: Do I need to do this operation right now at the installation and configuration moment or is it also possible to start working with Tikiwiki recording images and file inside the database. Can TikiWiki bring them all from the database into these directories if we create them later in the future? I can make tw write in the folder even if it is set to 777	[16:27]
ricks99	can do at anytime. when you add the location, it is relative location	[16:29]
macnific	Ops. I mean Tikiwiki keeps telling me it can not write in the folder. do I need to put http://domain_name/path/ is that? or only domain_name/path? Is there any Brazilian Tikiwki developer around?	[16:29]
ricks99	no. pathis relative to your current <TIKI HOME> be sure to include the trailing slash [16:32] <macnific> Our comunity need a tikiwiki dev and we can hire using points.	[16:32]
CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r23126 10/trunk/lib/ (setup/prefs.php wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_smarty.php): [NEW]SMARTY: plugin allowing to use the button smarty functioj for instance	[16:33]
ricks99	Q: How to allow a user to change his username? field is read-only on tiki-user_preferences	[16:38]
CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r23127 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_trackerlist.php: [NEW]TRACKERLIST: possibility to filter a field with the categories under a root category tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r23128 10/branches/4.x/ (templates/tiki-editpage.tpl tiki-editpage.php): [MOD] Moved copyright and authors style to properties tab	[16:39]
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chealer	ricks99: I don't think that's possible without admin rights	[16:46]
ricks99	:-(	[16:47]
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SEWilco2	macnific: Sometimes it is necessary to use "./" ahead of the image pathname. Depends on server and filesystem configuration and behavior. macnific: E meu Portugues e mala.	[17:03]
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CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r23129 10/trunk/ (6 files in 5 dirs): [NEW] Content templates using wiki pages and localization through them	[17:42]
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phet	hello	[18:03]
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phet	I am getting this error code: Invalid db object passed to TikiLib constructor In this line: include_once('tiki-setup.php'); But I really dont know what is happening	[18:08]
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CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r23131 10/branches/4.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_image.php: [MOD] Bump version number for hopeful succession of img by image tikiwiki: 03chealer * r23132 10/branches/4.x/ (6 files in 3 dirs): tikiwiki: [ENH] Change action_calendar and calendar_new modules to new module style (modules-doc). tikiwiki: [MOD] remove calIds (using it would break website) tikiwiki: sylvie: you may want to look at this tikiwiki: [ENH] calendar plugin: change viewlist and viewwithevents parameters to something making sense. reindent tikiwiki: [FIX] static calls to non-static $tikilib->make_time() tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r23133 10/trunk/ (lib/rankings/ranklib.php tiki-wiki_rankings.php): [MOD] Mozilla upstream. Apply best language to page rankings	[18:13]
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macnific	it is funny, inside tikiwiki page is written to come here and ask a lot of questions. but we do not get answers, hehe ;) Everybody must be too busy with code to deal with people. heheh ;)	[18:25]
ricks99	some questions harder to answer than others :)	[18:26]
phet	I need help :(	[18:28]
macnific	I imagine	[18:28]
lphuberdeau	need more details to help	[18:28]
macnific	does tikiwiki accept png files?	[18:29]
lphuberdeau	begin with version and exact error message	[18:29]
ricks99	"accept" for what?	[18:29]
macnific	how can I make it read the directories (set to 777)?	[18:29]
ricks99	afaik, nearly any file can be uploaded for galleries	[18:29]
macnific	it always says it can not register a file I am trying to upload	[18:29]
ricks99	using db or file sytem to store files?	[18:30]
macnific	I am trying to have files, attachments, traker and user files recorded outside the database. By default Tiki saves files from wiki attachments, image galleries, file galleries, trackers, userfiles, etc., in the database. But you might configure it to store them in your file tree in the server, so the database is kept as small as possible for backups, etc. As I created those extra directories and Tikiwiki did not recognize them, I am asking myself: Do I need to do this operation right now at the installation and configuration moment or is it also possible to start working with Tikiwiki recording images and file inside the database. Can TikiWiki bring them all from the database into these directories if we create them later in the future?	[18:30]
ricks99	y, very common setup (most of my tikis use files instead of db)	[18:30]
phet	lphuberdeau: the exact error is Invalid db object passed to TikiLib constructor	[18:31]
lphuberdeau	file, line number?	[18:31]
macnific	at: initial configuration pages: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Initial+Configuration&structure=Documentation	[18:31]
ricks99	did u correctly configure the path to the directories? the path must be relative to your TIKI install depending on your OS, may need to include trailing "/" in the path	[18:31]
macnific	there is no explanation about how useful is to use that option of having files out of the db that is the point. There is no explanation about the path.	[18:31]
phet	lphuberdeau: include_once('tiki-setup.php'); is this line, if you want I can paste the whole file somewhere	[18:32]
macnific	I have used: htt://fullpath ops.. http://full_path. I have used only /fullpath	[18:32]
ricks99	what is ur tiki version? in mine it says "relative" full path will not work	[18:32]
macnific	tw, 3.3	[18:32]
ricks99	must use relative path	[18:33]
macnific	what is relative path? the one without http:// right? I have used and the same.	[18:33]
phet	no	[18:33]
macnific	I was able to see my image in the wiki page by the plug-in using an external URL from the image	[18:33]
phet	the one from tiki wiki home folder	[18:33]
macnific	Not really having it inside my file archive.	[18:34]
ricks99	relative path means relative to your <TIKI_HOME> directory	[18:34]
macnific	Well. we are a barter system community in Brazil. we are looking for a configuration tikiwiki man that could help us.	[18:34]
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macnific	after had myself succeed the must difficult step (installation) we believed, now we can not open user registration because tikiwiki is so rich and powerfull that we got stuck configuration and preparation to receive users is not so easy.	[18:35]
phet	lphuberdeau: my tiki version is 1.9.11	[18:36]
macnific	the phase now is that option extra directories files	[18:36]
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ricks99	@macnific: is the directory in which to store attachment files on the same server as you Tiki?	[18:40]
CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r23134 10/branches/4.x/ (4 files in 2 dirs): tikiwiki: [FIX] Login box: remove unused nonums and rows tikiwiki: [FIX] login box: undefined do_not_show_login_box tikiwiki: [FIX] logo: make module title the same as its name	[18:44]
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macnific	ricks99: yes it is.	[18:49]
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ricks99	@macnific: is the folder at the same "level" as the tiki-install.php file? that is, does it have the same "parent" as tiki-install.php?	[18:50]
CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r23138 10/branches/4.x/templates/category_tree_entry.tpl: [FIX] XHTML (duplicated id - probably not needed on hidden field but renamed for safety) tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r23139 10/branches/4.x/templates/contribution.tpl: [FIX] XHTML (<table> needs something in it) tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r23140 10/branches/4.x/templates/tiki-plugin_help.tpl: [FIX] XHTML (_text not text)	[18:51]
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SEWilco2	macnific: Also, the folder needs the same name in the filesystem as in URLs. Don't alias a different name to the directory in Apache.	[19:07]
macnific	ricks99: sorry guys, Ricardo is trying to help me too. We are making test. But answering you, no it is on level higher	[19:08]
SEWilco2	The directory also needs to be writable by the web server. Probably group www-data needs rwx permission.	[19:08]
macnific	SEWilco2: I used the same name. The server is linux.	[19:08]
phet	why I cant have include_once(tiki-setup) inside a function?	[19:09]
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ricks99	if at a highe level, your "relative path" would be: ../FOLDERNAME/	[19:13]
.... (idle for 15mn)
phet	:(	[19:28]
CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r23141 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [NEW] Allow to select perspective from URL parameter (for silent sessions with rewrite rules)	[19:33]
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marclaporte	Kimberlee: : lindon_ wants to organize TikiFestNY : will you come?	[19:39]
Kimberlee	love to.	[19:41]
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Kimberlee	hopefully the turnout would be better than Orlando. :)	[19:42]
marclaporte	Kimberlee : when?	[19:43]
Kimberlee	you tell me, or better yet lindon?	[19:45]
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SEWilco2	"The TikiFest that says NY!"	[20:10]
chealer	sylvieg: do you use the events module? or is anyone using the events or calendar (non new) modules?	[20:10]
sylvieg	I use the calendar new which one upcoming_events?	[20:12]
chealer	sylvieg: no, upcoming_events is already done. I just have calendar and events left to decide on	[20:14]
lindon_	need to work on the timing for a NY fest marc was thinking december of january but i need to check if that could work knowing that there is one in march and june i was also thinking between those	[20:15]
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lindon_	or after june too will come back with firmer proposals but glad to see there's interest!	[20:17]
deepak1	http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/avonsys-wins-2009-ftib-small-exporter-of-the-year-award,1039182.shtml	[20:23]
CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r23146 10/trunk/lib/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [MOD]TRACKERLIST: exactvalue can have a value notcategories(id)	[20:23]
Kimberlee	I think we should do a cold weather NY fest (but thats just me since I am in Florida!)	[20:23]
CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r23147 10/branches/4.x/lib/tiki-js.js: [FIX] insertAt for IE (so smilies etc go in the right place in the text area - just needed focus!)	[20:25]
chealer	I'm planning to remove mod-events and mod-calendar (but not calendar_new) in the next 24 hours. please shout if you oppose. (thanks sylvieg, Sébastien checked some stuff but it seems fine)	[20:26]
CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r23148 10/branches/4.x/modules/mod-func-webmail_inbox.php: [FIX] more copy-pasted descriptions tikiwiki: 03chealer * r23149 10/branches/4.x/templates/modules/mod-events.tpl: [FIX] mod-events: static calls to non-static $tikilib->make_time()	[20:30]
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deepak1	marclaporte: wiki-translation , security, info.tikiwiki on critical	[20:33]
marclaporte	tks	[20:35]
lindon_	Kimberlee: ok, good to know the cold shouldn't bother those here in montreal either so i'll see what i can do	[20:39]
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chealer	does anyone use since_last_visit, and intentionally not since_last_visit_new?	[20:51]
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marclaporte	marclaporte wants to kill "new" in file names	[20:52]
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	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r23153 10/branches/4.x/lib/tiki-js.js: [FIX] better fix: to insert h1 etc (block elements) properly in the last line of textarea	[21:22]
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CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r23154 10/branches/4.x/tiki-install_disable.php: [KIL] no longer used now that we lock by adding db/lock	[21:41]
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CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r23155 10/branches/4.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_tracker.php: [FIX]TRACKER: rewrite the user itrem only if one item per user	[22:06]
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philippeback	I had a look at the new Tiki 3.x and installed the release. Impressive work. Will have to redo some templates... :-) Why removing Galaxia? Is it still going to be available as a mod or something?	[22:13]
marclaporte	philippeback : because no one was maintaining	[22:14]
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philippeback	@marclaporte: is the galaxia workflow not working or just left there? In fact I am using it with a 2.x on a project for trainings where I unfold a story. The story is defined as a process and each user has an instance of it that unfolds at a given pace. @marclaporte: can I still do that in 3.x if I put galaxia related stuff in there ? Or is the code still there?	[22:15]
marclaporte	it has been removed 3.x -> it's still there 4.x : gone	[22:17]
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marclaporte	in 4.x, you can use category transitions it's too bad that you didn't volunteer as a maintainer...	[22:18]
philippeback	yeah, read about that but it still unclear to me Well, I may end up doing so due to self interest :-) I've got an intern working 2 days a week on my project I am not decided to stick with Tiki. I've got a significant time investment in it and can get it to do most of what I want. So, expect more from me in 2010. I swear. Gotta go, thanks for the explanation.	[22:19]
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CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r23156 10/trunk/ (25 files in 8 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/4.x 23122 to 23155 tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r23157 10/branches/4.x/lib/wiki-plugins/ (3 files): [SEC] Adding extra skip for 3 plugins	[22:24]
sylvieg	good point marclaporte the last commit - suppose it should be in the security script	[22:30]
marclaporte	it is in the script that is how I caught them	[22:30]
CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r23158 10/branches/4.x/doc/devtools/securitycheck.php: [DOC] update security script documentation	[22:34]
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CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r23159 10/branches/4.x/templates/wiki_edit.tpl: [FIX] notices tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r23160 10/branches/4.x/modules/mod-func-rsslist.php: [ENH] Change rsslist module to new module style (modules-doc). tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r23161 10/branches/4.x/lib/smarty_tiki/function.query.php: [FIX] links that were just anchors e.g. #form was previously being rendered as ##form and not working (e.g. in attachment/forum reply buttons).	[22:46]
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CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r23162 10/branches/4.x/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] Don't warn about leaving modules admin page after previewing module.	[22:50]
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CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r23163 10/branches/4.x/modules/mod-func-rsslist.php: [MOD] Better description tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r23164 10/branches/4.x/lib/modules/modlib.php: [FIX] Notices	[22:59]
	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r23165 10/branches/4.x/modules/mod-func-action_calendar.php: [FIX] translate action_calendar's description tikiwiki: 03chealer * r23166 10/branches/4.x/templates/modules/mod-login_box.tpl: [FIX] login screen title, r23134 regression. thanks Marc Laporte tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r23167 10/branches/4.x/lib/wiki-plugins/ (wikiplugin_alink.php wikiplugin_aname.php): [DOC] All Tiki code should refer to TikiWiki.org	[23:06]
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CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r23168 10/branches/4.x/db/tiki-secdb_3.0_mysql.sql: [KIL] remove old secdb	[23:24]
oliland	http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Search+Bugs <-- down for everyone or just me?	[23:25]
sylvieg	end of modules... dev seesm to be down	[23:25]
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oliland	the whole of dev? yay fixed :)	[23:28]
sylvieg	I rebooted - but rebooting is like an ostrich	[23:29]
oliland	when it was down it was loading a blank page, there should be some php criticals in the logs	[23:30]
sylvieg	sylvieg wishs to know better gentoo - I am pretty iniificent right now	[23:31]
oliland	/var/log/apache2 should reveal something :)	[23:33]
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marclaporte	sylvieg : we are moving to Ubuntu	[23:40]
oliland	yay!	[23:40]
marclaporte	or so I hear	[23:40]
oliland	where are you guys hosted?	[23:40]
sylvieg	I still did not have succeeded to mysqldump a dev db I hope to be able to do once to profile the db	[23:41]
oliland	are you any closer to finding out what the leak is?	[23:43]
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amette	yep, moving to ubuntu server LTS	[23:43]
oliland	is there an official bug report anywhere?	[23:43]
sylvieg	amette - my king I missed you this last day	[23:43]
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sylvieg	how can I have a dump of the dev database	[23:44]
marclaporte	marclaporte bows to the new king	[23:44]
oliland	if it hasn't been done yet, i could probably pinpoint the bug - my site got frontpaged on collegehumour the other day and we were having similar problems >:)	[23:44]
sylvieg	amette: mil me the command line to mysqldump the dev database - I am stuck with socket problem - usually thesocket param works but not on dev..	[23:46]
CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r23169 10/branches/4.x/doc/devtools/securitycheck.php: [DOC] update security script documentation	[23:46]
sylvieg	amette: btw I hope you are fine - was told that you having troubling these last days and were not able to monitor dev.tw	[23:47]
amette	sylvieg: hi! Thanks! Yeah, I'm fine!! :) I just don't have any decent workplace right now... two defect laptops are used to create one machine to access the internet (I'm clustering, so to say ;) )...	[23:48]
sylvieg	we miss you amette	[23:49]
amette	... and the internet connection dies every couple minutes - just like right now - which then forces me to reboot one of the laptops and the cell phone... :P	[23:49]
oliland	mysqldump -u root -p rootpassword dev > /path/to/devbackup.sql ?	[23:49]
amette	Thank you sylvieg !! :) I'm working on my way to get back already :)	[23:49]
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amette	Internet connection and laptop are ordered - so I should be more online again already next week :)	[23:50]
CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r23170 10/branches/4.x/lib/ajax/ajaxlib.php: [FIX] No need to include JS files again in AJAX response (was causing many errors)	[23:50]
amette	also I meanwhile build something like a desk ;) and got most of the official stuff handled that comes with moving to a new city lemme see about the dump command...	[23:51]
sylvieg	thx	[23:52]
amette	mysqldump -q --single-transaction --flush-logs --master-data=2 --delete-master-logs --all-databases > dump.sql is used for doing a complete backup ah, wait, you're tiki user...	[23:52]
sylvieg	got mysqldump: Couldn't execute 'FLUSH TABLES': Access denied; you need the RELOAD privilege for this operation (1227) but thx amette I got a little furher	[23:53]
amette	yep, I had that, too ;) but this works: mysqldump -h db0.tikiwiki.org -u devtwo -p devtwo > devtwo-2008-11-13.sql It's in /home/tiki/backup/ now 169 Megs.. not bad... ;)	[23:55]
sylvieg	I have it - thx amette	[23:57]
amette	np, yw sylvieg :)	[23:57]
sylvieg	pwd	[23:57]
amette	from local.php	[23:57]
CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r23171 10/branches/4.x/lib/toolbars/toolbarslib.php: [FIX] urlencode was wrong for url encoding - using htmlentities instead	[23:58]
macnific	marclaporte: I have heard something concerning TikiFest Brasil. Who is organizing that? are there some people interested to come to Brazil? If yes, I will try to organize this event	[23:58]
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amette	err, ROFL - I mean: /home/tiki/backup ;P	[23:58]
CIA-68	tikiwiki: 03lindonb * r23172 10/branches/4.x/templates/tiki-upload_image.tpl: [FIX] Update syntax in message showing user how to insert image.	[23:58]
amette	sylvieg: Also you might want to consider coming to the old europe for http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestBerlin2010	[23:59]

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