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Tikiwiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #2889 - - category: lost admin rights - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=2889	[08:58]
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xavi	toctoc I was just wondering about the new behavior in uploading images in doc.tw.o and inserting the wiki syntax for display.... xavi is also wondering if somebody will be around this irc channel on a Sunday... I've uploaded two new images here: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Tiki3#Trackers:_Exporting_data_improved but they became kind of floating underneath the following content... :-/ while I intended to keep the syntax as simple as possible removing the rel=... and thumb=... which didn't work for me (png with transparency is not well handled by resizing by gd, I guess which adds a fully black scary background to them well, I'd better send this question to the devel list probably... I guess lindon (or file gallery gurus) might now the answer on what is the syntax expected for those images to display as usual on wiki pages with the new img plugin...	[11:56]
CIA-50	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r23425 10/branches/4.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_trackerlist.php: [FIX]TRACKERLIST: check sort_mode syntax	[12:07]
xavi	sylvieg, thanks for improving trackerlist check for sorting modes! :-) ok, mail sent to devel list	[12:09]
sylvieg	no idea why these imgs are floating... stange xavi what is the problem with username with @?	[12:12]
xavi	hi , and thanks for checking that issue sylvieg, should I re-send the email messages with the detailed descritpion of the issue of users with @ ?	[12:15]
sylvieg	ah thre is a mail somewhere? on dev or perso?	[12:15]
xavi	personal	[12:16]
sylvieg	sylvieg has a too long list of bugs	[12:16]
xavi	:-) Nov 10th I have them in front of me	[12:16]
sylvieg	ok find it	[12:16]
xavi	there are 4 emails that day	[12:16]
sylvieg	hmm I have only one with 2 points(jpgrapg - remove page...) but did I fix the remove because of the categ perm? editing categs -> create a perm remove_wiki_page in the upgrade script	[12:17]
xavi	subject of 1st email: "action log +wiki history on production site" ... subject of second: "Another one or the same? ..." subject of third: "a third one (image galleries drop down in action log)"	[12:20]
sylvieg	sorry I received only 2 more: graphs not stored + reg. can remove pages even if perm not granted!!!	[12:22]
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xavi	ok, resending emails	[12:24]
sylvieg	xavi - for the remove - did you check that the categ class final project does not have a tiki_p_remove?	[12:24]
xavi	ok, checking	[12:24]
	ok, checked, there is not tiki_p_remove at a category level well, in fact, it's a tiki 3.3, so that perms could never have been set at a categ level xavi is still skeptic of using tiki4.0 to upgrade current production sites using tiki 3.x	[12:32]
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CIA-50	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r23426 10/branches/proposed/lib/tikilib.php: [bp/r 23254][FIX]categ perm: some people found intrusive that an edit_categorized was able to remove a wiki page-> the perm will have to be added manually	[12:38]
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chibaguy	polom	[12:40]
xavi	molop hi Gary	[12:42]
FF\|Skyrider	hi I Wonder.. Does tikiwiki has the ability to show code in colors? It's hard to explain, but I am talking about html / c++, etc. .code language. I believe they have different colors if you use the right software (such as notepad++)	[12:45]
chibaguy	hi xavi, FF\|Skyrider.	[12:50]
FF\|Skyrider	hi	[12:50]
chibaguy	There's a script that renders the colors and somebody was talking about implementing it in tiki, but I don't know what happened about it.	[12:50]
xavi	FF\|Skyrider: see PluginCode	[12:50]
FF\|Skyrider	Just saw the list of plugins, thanks :)	[12:51]
chibaguy	well, if plugincode already does it, then no problem.	[12:51]
xavi	you need to enable also geshi (explained in the doc)	[12:51]
chibaguy	ah, ok, that's what I was thinking of.	[12:51]
xavi	btw, chibaguy, a question for you, about theme upgrading between tiki 2.x and tiki3.x I helped a few days ago to upgrade a tiki site of some friends, which had a slightly cusotmized ohia.css theme style I upgraded their site to tiki 3.3, and did a quick & dirty solution for that day (a couple of days ago): http://www.xarxantoni.net since I was running out of time that day. I copied their customized ohia.css theme style from the 2.x installation, put it in the 3.3 installation, and added just an import to layout.css (as I could read in a page at themes.tw.o that this was one of the new changes in tiki 3.x) but I could see a few things not properly displayed for registered: the bigbluebutton not being shown properly on the right but at the bottom of wiki pages, and plugin helpers not workgin properly, etc. for tpls and theme images, I just copied the files frmo ohia in tiki 3.x (not reusing the ones from the 2.x installation) so I wonder what else I'm missing at the css file...	[12:54]
chibaguy	hm, I need to keep notes, I think. ;-)	[13:00]
xavi	I guess I could start re-discovering what changed by comparing the two ohia.css files (if the change is only there) but just in case it was something you already knew and had in mind... well, I saw a very nice page at themes.tw.o describin changes between 3.x and 4.x , but I couldn't find the similar one for 2.x and 3.x (maybe just another name, and the search box didn't find it for me)	[13:01]
chibaguy	well, firefox/firebug tells me that layout.css can't be found.	[13:02]
xavi	can't??? mmm....	[13:02]
chibaguy	correct. it's a 404 error.	[13:02]
FF\|Skyrider	http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php This page has 3 comments When I open the comments, it works just fine. But when I close it, the page is blinking black. Any specific reason why it does this?	[13:02]
xavi	xavi is checking xarxantoni.net site	[13:02]
chibaguy	so check that layout.css is in place, and be sure the import url is correct in the stylesheet. I think layout.css should place the help correctly, and maybe fix the other problem.	[13:03]
xavi	FF\|Skyrider: working fine with firefox 3.5 (on GNU/Linux, if this matters)	[13:03]
chibaguy	but in opera, the comment button doesn't work it all. it just causes the page to jump up til the comment button is at the top margin.	[13:04]
xavi	oups.... and FF\|Skyrider: which browser are you using?	[13:05]
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chibaguy	there are lingering javascript problems in tiki 4.0, it seems. at least for some browsers.	[13:05]
FF\|Skyrider	Where can I find a help/doc page of what page commands I can use? EG: !!	[13:09]
chibaguy	you mean besides the edit page's help?	[13:10]
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xavi	FF\|Skyrider: search http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Documentation for "Wiki syntax"	[13:10]
FF\|Skyrider	ty	[13:10]
xavi	and/or open the help box in your own tiki big blu ehelp box while editing, in Tiki 3.x or small question mark icon in the toolbars in Tiki 4.x FF\|Skyrider: read the http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Tiki3 at least once or the one for Tiki4, if you are using Tiki4 "and FF\|Skyrider: which browser are you using?"	[13:10]
FF\|Skyrider	FireFox	[13:13]
xavi	chibaguy: I made a typo two days ago when I attempted to import that layout.css for their site :-/	[13:13]
chibaguy	ah, I hope fixing that will solve the problems.	[13:13]
xavi	FF\|Skyrider: and OS (for curiosity, since firefox 3.5 works fine for me)	[13:13]
FF\|Skyrider	W7	[13:13]
xavi	yes, I think so (@chibaguy) FF\|Skyrider: ok, no idea then on why ff is having those issues (it works for me). which version of Firefox?	[13:13]
FF\|Skyrider	3.5.5 It shows a black blink just when closing the comment box	[13:15]
xavi	3.5.6pre here. And I see no blink at all	[13:16]
FF\|Skyrider	if I may ask, how do I create multiple edit lines in a single page?	[13:16]
xavi	who knows... multiple edit lines: I don't understand	[13:16]
FF\|Skyrider	Yea.. trying to get the correct words.	[13:17]
xavi	explain more with simple words, pleasde	[13:17]
FF\|Skyrider	I guess !! does that Creating a "box" in the page, that has an edit button in the right when you look at the whole page.	[13:17]
xavi	ah, ok, you mean what in wiki world is called "section heit" maybe?	[13:17]
chibaguy	!! makes a heading	[13:17]
FF\|Skyrider	"edit section" Creating a section :p	[13:18]
xavi	s/heit/edit	[13:18]
chibaguy	oh, you need to turn on section editing.	[13:18]
FF\|Skyrider	!! creates a section right? :d Need to find out how to create a whole line now.	[13:18]
chibaguy	well, it creates a heading, but headings determine sections.	[13:18]
FF\|Skyrider	http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Tutorials?bl=y --> scroll down to "Pages linking to tutorial" You see that text has an underline going through the whole page.	[13:19]
chibaguy	probably a dash syntax needs to be fixed. what used to make a dash now starts a strike-through.	[13:19]
xavi	FF\|Skyrider: ok, add this page to your todo reading: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Tiki2 section edit was introduced in tiki2, and we took some time to describe that there whith a few words and some image FF\|Skyrider: maybe you mean how to make that a heading has an underline linked to it (from the style pint of view). That's defined in your css s/pint/point	[13:19]
FF\|Skyrider	ah, oke, thanks :D Well, I'll install tikiwiki 4. I guess I'll need to disable email activation	[13:22]
xavi	FF\|Skyrider: not recommened. You'd better learn in Tiki 3.x there are still a few bugs in Tiki 4.0, and you may not know how to identify bugs from things you don't know how to use yet my opinion, of course	[13:23]
FF\|Skyrider	Why 3? I find 4 having more features. Btw. nvm I fancy features :p	[13:24]
xavi	tiki 3.3 is much more stable right now for a person getting into Tiki. Full stop. Good luck if you go the tiki4.0 way	[13:26]
FF\|Skyrider	Is 4 that buggy? :S	[13:28]
chibaguy	Not a large percentage of bugs in view of how much code/how many features, but some unsolved problems for a live site.	[13:30]
xavi	http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Tiki4	[13:30]
chibaguy	if you just want to try things with it, ok, but not recommended yet for mission critical sites. ;-)	[13:31]
xavi	chibaguy, typo fixed and everything seems working much better , thanks! :-) http://www.xarxantoni.net so, what else might have I missed, in the 2.x to 3.x ohia theme upgrade then?	[13:31]
FF\|Skyrider	Can't say this is "critical" Besides.. tw.o is using tikiwiki4	[13:33]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, tw.o is better known as http://tikiwiki.org or the official website of the project.	[13:33]
FF\|Skyrider	And is a large site ;)	[13:33]
chibaguy	yeah, but in that case it's called "eating our own dogfood". It's a _test_ site. as well as normal, live site. it's used because some bugs don't show up until a site scales up large, etc. If you have a public site but want to see how tiki 4.0 works with it, you can install it separately and use a copy of the database to test with. (upgrade the copy) If you don't mind little quirks like what we're seeing at the tw.o site, then go ahead and upgrade your live site now. ;-) (and send back bug reports. ;-) )	[13:36]
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xavi	walk the dog, bbl	[14:05]
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jonnyb	polom sunday xavi: i've fixed the 3 images on http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Tiki3#Trackers:_Exporting_data_improved to use image align, they look ok now	[14:13]
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FF\|Skyrider	chibaguy I can't report bugs :p	[14:54]
chibaguy	why not?	[14:55]
	There is some corruption of the toolbars on the report textareas. I don't know if the form works otherwise or not.	[15:00]
jonnyb	hi chibaguy - yes, marc reported the toolbar thing to me	[15:01]
chibaguy	hi jonnyb, strange little problems here and there.	[15:04]
jonnyb	hey, that's what ".o" is for! :) can you doub;le check for me on dev that the toolbars are the default set pls?	[15:04]
chibaguy	ok	[15:06]
jonnyb	there will be a "reset to defaults" button there if they've been edited it seems the center text button's syntax is being wiki-parsed there... most odd!	[15:06]
chibaguy	yes, the "reset to defaults" button is showing.	[15:08]
jonnyb	so the question is has someone configured something weird there, or is it a TRACKER plugin bug.... hmmm can you give me admin there for a little while, and i'll do some digging...	[15:09]
chibaguy	there's a justify-left icon in the toolbar where the break is. ok	[15:10]
jonnyb	if you look at the page source it's trying to put a centered div in the onclick for the center tool, instead of "::text::"	[15:11]
chibaguy	sorry, no ceremony, but you're a dev.tw.o admin now. :-)	[15:12]
jonnyb	:D is there usually a ceremony?	[15:12]
chibaguy	no	[15:13]
jonnyb	jonnyb wonders what arcane Tiki-Rituals might be involved oh, shame	[15:13]
chibaguy	yeah, I guess it doesn't happen often enough, and probably is not significant enough. :-)	[15:13]
jonnyb	i'm just looking at the bug_tracker profile one (tracker form) and that seems fine locally	[15:13]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: Allowing group members to lock/unlock pages created by members of the group - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=35338	[15:49]
xavi	jonnyb, about the imalign param on img...	[15:51]
jonnyb	yes...	[15:52]
xavi	it used to work fine with align=center ... I wonder why this is not working on new images nowadays...	[15:52]
jonnyb	i think it's when Lindon refactored the image and other plugins code into {img} - he replied on devels	[15:53]
xavi	yes, bt this code, on the same tiki3 page works as expected: {img link=tiki-download_file.php?fileId=32&display src=tiki-download_file.php?fileId=32 class="reflect" align="center" rel=shadowbox[g];type=img;title=} note it has align="center" maybe quotation marks... I?ll try nope, that code works also without quotation marks... anyway, who knows	[15:54]
jonnyb	thought so - the align param creates a div - use imalign for just the image	[15:56]
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xavi	xavi thinks that there should be some setting in admin panel (editing and plugins, or elsewhere) to allow an admin to define the default params to be added when clicking to images in files galleries (automatic insertion of wiki syntax)	[15:58]
jonnyb	it's on my list, xavi - i'd like to do one for each gallery maybe (so you could have images with different syntax from PDFs, say)	[15:59]
xavi	+1 jonnyb :-)	[16:00]
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lindon_	it uses new code whereas if you use only the old img parameters it uses the old code in the old code it uses the align attribute which is deprecated but it works	[16:27]
jonnyb	hi lindon_ that sounds reasonable - should be added to a doc somewhere..?	[16:28]
lindon_	i think it's better if i fix it it's a bug having to do with the way the height and width is set	[16:29]
jonnyb	even better :)	[16:30]
lindon_	instead of the latest developer version? stable version handles a lot more languages and all the functionality works	[16:34]
jonnyb	do you mean 4.x? - if so, yes please - all bug fixes in there until 4.1	[16:35]
lindon_	for PluginCode	[16:37]
jonnyb	sorry, i don't follow	[16:40]
lindon_	sorry i'm messing up the chat - using wrong commands so you can't see what i'm saying - i'll try again	[16:40]
jonnyb	not at all - 90% of my brain is inside the aptana debugger (did you get your working?)	[16:41]
lindon_	on the doc site, i'd like to use GeSHi 1.0.8.4 (latest stable version) instead of the developer version stable version handles a lot more languages and all the functionality works for PluginCoe PluginCode	[16:41]
jonnyb	what's GeSHi?	[16:42]
lindon_	3rd party software that color highlights code and adds link to documentation	[16:43]
jonnyb	oh, sorry - i thought we were talking about the img plugin	[16:43]
lindon_	it's described here: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/PluginCode haven't got the Aptana debugger working but I haven't been trying either	[16:43]
jonnyb	sorry - not looked at PluginCode	[16:44]
xavi	luciash ? any css guru around? at http://precarios.org we are still using tiki 2.4, with a customized smartiki.css theme (afair)	[16:45]
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xavi	we have been discussin to upgrade soon to 3.3, but we don't know how much time would take us to reproduce a similar theme style using some new tiki3-ready theme style as a starting point, since smartiki is not in tiki3, afaik	[16:49]
l3rady	I am installing Tiki4 on Windows XP. I have Apache, PHP and MySQL set up and look good to me. When I run tiki-install.php all looks good through database creation/population. After it creates/populates the database I get a blank page. Nothing in the Apache logs. I can see the new tables in the database. Any ideas where I can look for additional clues? tiki-install.php reported a PHP memory_limit of 128MB, FYI	[16:51]
xavi	l3rady: search the doc about http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Requirements (mysql and php versions, at least)	[16:53]
l3rady	I have latest versions (downloaded yesterday) of both MySQL and PHP. Checking on Apache memory config...	[16:58]
xavi	did you restarted your apache after y ou changed your memory_limit (if so)?	[16:59]
l3rady	Actually, let me back up a step. I am installing Tiki4 at work. I prefer Linux, but my IT department prefers Windows. So I was going to run Tiki4 on Windows. I am reading that my mileage may vary, so... Do you recommend running Tiki4 in a production environment on Windows? Am I asking for trouble? I would hate any Windows-specific issues to tarnish Tiki4's overall acceptance.	[17:00]
xavi	sorry, no idea of performance on windows-based servers tiki4 is ok if you plan to have your tiki ready for production in the following months, I would say. If you upgrade a production site from previous versions, stay with tiki 3.x for a while (personal recommendation) xavi knows other people in this irc channel like a too-much risky life	[17:01]
l3rady	This will be a brand new install, and I was planning on going w/ Tiki4.	[17:02]
xavi	l3rady: ok, then, good election, I would say.	[17:03]
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xavi	Help testing features and reporting problems at http://dev.tikiwiki.org	[17:03]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc Channel. TikiWiki or better known as TW, is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution, you can get more infomation at http://info.tikiwiki.org/ .	[17:03]
xavi	and .... welcome to Tikiwiki Community, l3rady :-)	[17:03]
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l3rady	Thanks	[17:04]
xavi	and help documenting (whenever you feel ok with it) at http://doc.tikiwiki.org	[17:04]
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	mmm, anybody knows what a registered user can't create new pages at themes.tw.o??? xavi thingks that chibaguy needs help from other users on whatever things other people might help him... ok, xavidp will fix that	[17:19]
lindon_	jonnyb: how do you make sure BOM is not being used in Aptana?	[17:26]
xavi	mmm, why registered group in themes.tw.o has 0 perms??? this looks to me like "tiki4 upgrade" issues in the bumpy road...	[17:26]
jonnyb	lindon_: good question - don't know :) i use a Mac editor to find them, and it says at the bottom	[17:29]
lindon_	ok i'll ask on the support forum i'd hate to cause you another 6 hours of work :)	[17:30]
jonnyb	:) it doesn't do them by default (afaik)	[17:31]
lindon_	ok, that's good	[17:32]
jonnyb	the text encoding menu (in preferences) doesn't even show it as an option, so i think we're ok	[17:33]
lindon_	yeah, i couldn't find it anywhere in preferences but i would feel better if i could see hidden characters	[17:34]
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berniecode	Hi. I can't log in to the dev site because of the issue described on this page: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=2886 I have a simple bug and associated one-line patch to submit. Can I submit it here, or would it be better to wait for the login issue to be fixed? Bernie :o)	[17:40]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #2890 - - Minor changes still result in email notification - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=2890	[18:49]
Tiefflieger	Hi there :-) A friend of mine is running a Wiki on a managed Server. It's a tikiwiki 2.4. He tries to update to tikiwiki 4.0, but when trying to run the new wiki, the server tells him that write access to $_SERVER is denied. Can you help us?	[18:53]
jonnyb	hi Tiefflieger - is there any more info ? filename or line number?	[19:00]
SEWilco2	Tiefflieger: Does it give the error on the home page, or when he's trying to do something?	[19:02]
Tiefflieger	Hi jonnyb, Of course there is more info, if you'd just tell me what you need :-) As far as I know, the error occurs when the test-mail is about to be sent resp. if the BD-Contact shall happens -s	[19:05]
jonnyb	filename or line number? does it work if you don't do the mail test?	[19:05]
Tiefflieger	first, as far as I know: tiki-filter-base.php #54 "$_SERVER['PHP_SELF'] = str_replace($unallowed_uri_chars, $unallowed_uri_chars_encoded, $_SERVER['PHP_SELF']);"	[19:07]
jonnyb	might you have any unallowed_uri_chars?	[19:08]
FrankP_german	hi jonnyb http://de.tikiwiki.org/xref-trunk/nav.html?tiki-filter-base.php.source.html I comment line 47, 48 and 54 changed line 58 to right from line 54 comments line 77 and 78	[19:08]
jonnyb	might you have any unallowed_uri_chars?	[19:10]
FrankP_german	the result, the installer works, and by testmail or db connect this error Fatal error: Cannot access private property Tiki_Profile::$domain in /var/www/vhosts/frankpenz.de/httpdocs/simutrans/Wiki_/lib/profilelib/profilelib.php on line 763	[19:10]
Tiefflieger	jonnyb: what are "unallowed_uri_chars"? phpInfo states nothing about it...	[19:10]
jonnyb	line 44 and 45 of that file	[19:11]
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Tiefflieger	(FrankP is the friend i was refering to above)	[19:11]
jonnyb	looks like "'", '"', '<', '>', '{', '}', '\|', '\', '^', '~', '`' (first i'd heard of them too)	[19:11]
FrankP_german	line 59 is obsolet, I think	[19:12]
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FrankP_german	jonnyb : I do not quite understand what they mean the line is exists an activ	[19:28]
jonnyb	sorry - which line?	[19:30]
FrankP_german	(20:11:41)<jonnyb>looks like "'", '"', '<', '>', '{', '}', '\|', '\', '^', '~', '`'	[19:30]
jonnyb	oh, they are the chars not allowed in a url (from line 45 of tiki-filter-base.php) i thought ~ was ok	[19:31]
FrankP_german	~ is in url from web users example http://simutrans-germany.com/~nightly/simutrans/index.php	[19:33]
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CIA-50	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r23440 10/branches/4.x/lib/toolbars/tiki-admin_toolbars.js: tikiwiki: [FIX] Custom tool edit form wasn't picking up data about plugins etc. tikiwiki: Removed some commented code.	[19:38]
Tiefflieger	jonnyb: so you think the problem that tikiwiki tries to write at $_SERVER is related to illegal uris?	[19:40]
jonnyb	yes, looks like ~ shouldn't trigger that code (it also shouldn't break, but that's another story) :) jonnyb reads RFC1738	[19:40]
Tiefflieger	so is this a beta issue or is that an issue in the final, too?	[19:42]
jonnyb	everywhere i would think (which beta?)	[19:43]
FrankP_german	4.0 beta 1 is the message from installer	[19:43]
jonnyb	oh, ok - you know 4.0 was released?	[19:44]
FrankP_german	installed SVN files from 7/11/2009	[19:46]
jonnyb	seems like a long time ago... ;)	[19:46]
FrankP_german	corrected 10/11/2009, this since 12 days sorry day/month/year	[19:48]
jonnyb	just tried a local tiki with a ~ in it and there seems to be no difference	[19:49]
Tiefflieger	wait a second, talking to Frankp in german :-)	[19:49]
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xavi	sylvieg or luciash, is there a way to show also the description field of tracker item fields trough trackerlist plugin?	[19:54]
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Tiefflieger	sorry, I need to go, thanks for your support :-)	[20:03]
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macnific	Where do I find the difference between wiki link formats (English, Latin and Complet)?	[20:18]
xavi	macnific: search the http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Documentation for "syntax links" or "wiki syntax" or "Admin Wiki"	[20:19]
macnific	I didi, I don't find. I always ask here after searching in there. Maybe I am not searching well.	[20:20]
xavi	sylvieg and luciash: I found a workaround for the description field: add ing a new record for each user with the content of the description in the filed content ok, macnific: could you please update the documentation after you get the answer? complete: allows spaces, special characters (such as é è í ñ ç ...)	[20:21]
macnific	with pleasure.. In fact I am planning to help with the whole portuguese documentations. ops.. documentation	[20:22]
xavi	English: it doesn't allow such characters and LAtin: sorry, no idea: just test graciñas dinner time here, bbl	[20:22]
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Mark_	hallo	[20:28]
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macnific	Opss. I found it.. Why it always appear after I ask help here. hehehe english allows only letters, numbers, space, underscore, dash, period and semicolon (but space, dash, period and semicolon not allowed as either the first or last characters). latin adds accented characters. complete allows anything at all but is not guaranteed to be bug-free or secure. xavi: I will use latin, since in Portuguese we have those accented characters. Thanks guys.	[20:35]
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macnific	Hi. I am creating the structure of tw. However the moving (up and down) scheme is not as practical as it can be, I believe editing directly inside the structure tree with the "space" indenting facility. How to edit the tree directly and then see it converted into the structure itself?	[23:00]
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ricks99	i think you can only use the 'tree structure' when creating the structure for the first time subsequent edits must be made with the up/down buttons	[23:27]
sylvieg	sylvieg hopes to find time to change this for 5 - with the treesorter should be easy..	[23:31]
ricks99	gr8 for admin:modules, too? and menus? :)	[23:32]
sylvieg	it will be great .. but my first cible - if nobody eles does it is structure	[23:33]
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