[00:00] <marclaporte> LOL
[00:00] <marclaporte> hi luciash
[00:00] <marclaporte> how are you?
[00:00] * marclaporte is very happy with Dynamic prefs
[00:01] <luciash> fine already (after recovering from the night spent on railway stations) ;)
[00:01] * sylvieg lost again with new feature..
[00:02] <luciash> salut sylvie :)
[00:02] <sylvieg> luciash: are or toes ok? not frozen?
[00:02] <luciash> luckily not
[00:02] <sylvieg> when coming back from France I got a 8h delay with the plane - because of security.. reason
[00:02] <luciash> but it was close ;)
[00:03] <luciash> were in france for x-mas/holidays ?
[00:03] <sylvieg> i visited my parents this x-mas
[00:04] <luciash> nice
[00:04] <sylvieg> my dad is sich it is +1000 to be home
[00:05] <luciash> marclaporte: good move to change wiki links parsing to complete by default
[00:05] <sylvieg> +1 too
[00:05] <luciash> sylvieg: ah, that's for sure
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[00:45] <luciash> hi ibrrorg
[00:45] <ibrrorg> morning!
[00:45] <ibrrorg> no major ?'s tonight all is running smoothly!  ya ya ya
[00:46] <luciash> :)
[00:46] <ibrrorg> i have a friend in NJ that i would like to come to ya'lls tikifest in NY and listen in is there a formal process for this?
[00:47] <luciash> last week i stumbled upon this and it reminded me about you ;) → http://www.imdb.com/video/wab/vi1210778137/
[00:48] <luciash> u probably know about that already, right ?
[00:48] <ibrrorg> nah!  ill watch it after it loads thanx!!!
[00:49] <ibrrorg> hows the deep freeze in europe treating ya?
[00:49] <luciash> there point him: http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestNY
[00:49] <luciash> i am fine already, just got stuck on railway stations last night travelling from our capital to home
[00:50] <ibrrorg> yeah i read that, but can he just show up or does he need to register first?  i feel its a GOOD idea for one of us to start learning all we can about Tiki.  man, the software is GREAT!!! it's doing what we want!
[00:50] <luciash> i was luckily let in the vestibul
[00:50] <ibrrorg> man, see ur a bona fide HOBO!  ;_0
[00:50] <luciash> it was 1:00am in the morning and this little station is closed during night
[00:50] <luciash> heheh
[00:51] <luciash> he just put his name on that wiki page that he's interested to join and watch the instructions there
[00:51] <ibrrorg> i need to get ya a list of our resources over there.  we have a load of waystations u can crash in; most of the folks are working citizens that simply travelled in the US and used our networks
[00:53] <luciash> tell him to put his name under http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestNY#Who
[00:54] <ibrrorg> ok, even though he is simply going to listen in on stuff?  i mean we're not DEV or anything, just a desire to learn all we can :-)
[00:55] <luciash> he can also just show up
[00:55] <luciash> but it is better to know how many people are joining
[00:55] <ibrrorg> ok
[00:55] <ibrrorg> ill call him in a min and have him do such
[00:56] <luciash> just for practical reasons ;)
[00:57] <ibrrorg> well'p, i'm off and thanx for the info!  ill holler back towards the end of the week and see if ur interested n a couple of projects.  had to pay Uncle Sam his taxes so now i know what i can spend!  have a good one!
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[01:01] <marclaporte> sylvieg  : what kind of workload is this wish? http://dev.tikiwiki.org/wish1536
[01:06] <olinuxx> hi here, I want to participate a little to tikiwiki, maybe for website's translation. Is it an official way for this ?
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[01:36] <luciash> yes
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[03:49] <Tikiwiki|bot>  Recent Bug: Tracker item: #2965 - - Easy way to compare configuration of 2 Tiki sites - http://dev1.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=2965
[03:52] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03chealer * r24273 10/trunk/templates/tiki-openid_register.tpl: 
[03:52] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: [FIX] "Prevent automatic/robot registration:" interferes with OpenID (Ticket 1505)
[03:52] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: Thanks Marc Laporte
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[06:16] <Tikiwiki|bot>  Recent Bug: Tracker item: #2963 - - Error: "A contribution is mandatory" after trying to save - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=2963
[06:16] <Tikiwiki|bot>  Recent Bug: Tracker item: #2964 - - Can't enable Wiki watches on 4.x  - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=2964
[06:16] <Tikiwiki|bot>  Recent Bug: Tracker item: #2965 - - Easy way to compare configuration of 2 Tiki sites - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=2965
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[12:12] <Kiser> Hello
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[12:15] <_Kiki> I need help to configure tikiwiki to bind with the openldap server of kolab, cf post : http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=17&comments_parentId=35877#threadId17
[12:37] <sylvieg> as said the server the credentials are not ok - check your configuration
[12:38] <sylvieg> _Kiki: better to be with tikiwiki>=4.w because the ldap lib is beter thatn older versions
[12:40] <_Kiki> sylvieg, do u have an example with working setup : tikiwiki 4.1 + openldap ?
[12:40] <sylvieg> yes I have on wampserver win2008 openldap
[12:42] <_Kiki> hummm can you send me a screen shot of your setup (tikiwiki side..) ..?
[12:42] <FF|Skyrider> I'm curious
[12:42] <FF|Skyrider> if in 3 days, everyone will unite..
[12:42] <FF|Skyrider> Will there be a release at the same day?
[12:43] <FF|Skyrider> In the end of course :p
[12:50] <xavi> marclaporte around?
[12:50] <xavi> hi sylvieg
[12:51] <marclaporte> yes
[12:51] <xavi> hi :-)
[12:51] <marclaporte> hi
[12:51] <xavi> so tracker performance work ?
[12:52] <marclaporte> not yet
[12:52] <marclaporte> well, not for me
[12:52] <marclaporte> I am off to TikiFest
[12:52] <marclaporte> but LP is there
[12:52] <xavi> nobody complained about the precarios db so that , is that fine if I send you a link to a tar.gz db dump of the site based on proposals/4.x?
[12:52] <xavi> ah, ok, are you planning to work on that in the tikifest?
[12:52] * xavi doesn't remember the dates of the TikiFest
[12:52] <marclaporte> not really
[12:52] <marclaporte> tikifest is for bugs
[12:53] <xavi> ok, that's what I remembered
[12:53] <marclaporte> send me password protected link
[12:53] <xavi> so, is proposals/4.x good enough as a testing ground?
[12:54] <xavi> db version, I mean
[12:54] <xavi> or do you prefer any earlier version? (I have also the 2.4 version from 1 month ago, aprox.), so it's almost the same
[12:54] <xavi> or 3.3
[12:55] <sylvieg> hi xavi
[12:55] <xavi> hi sylvieg, I'm in process of testing your enhancement for db <-> files for file gals
[12:57] <FF|Skyrider> Anyone? :s
[12:57] <FF|Skyrider> oh
[12:57] <FF|Skyrider> You answered me already? :P
[12:57] <xavi> btw, both, sylvieg and marclaporte, since_last_visit should be cached, imho, to improve performance and user experience. On a site with 10000+ new tracker items, it took between 100 and 200 seconds to lead each single page of the tiki site (on the server), with the since_last_visit new on the side column.
[12:57] <sylvieg> xavi: do a specif page with the module for now
[12:58] <sylvieg> like the homepage
[12:58] <xavi> yes, I know the workaround
[12:58] <xavi> thanks, So is this already a known fix in somebodies' roadmap?
[12:59] <sylvieg> I do not think so - so far we went on cache module - it is at a group level - there is no cache at a user level
[12:59] <sylvieg> it should probable be developped
[13:03] <xavi> Ok, I can pay for that (probably precarios.org or from intercanvis.net projects). Not urgent (due to easy workaround) but fyi (payed fix if anyone is willing to code it)
[13:05] <xavi> marclaporte ^(fyi also, in case lph or somewhere else you know can code it sometime in the future, and in case you agree that it's a good way to go for since_last_visit module)
[13:06] <marclaporte> I think since your last visit needs to be moved to new perm system & jailroot
[13:06] <marclaporte> once it's there, it should be a bit faster
[13:06] <marclaporte> and there has not been any cache put yet
[13:06] <marclaporte> but it's designed to do so
[13:06] <marclaporte> if/when we hit a bottleneck
[13:07] <marclaporte> move SYLV to new perm system is not trivial because it touches many features, and some stuff is hard coded
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[13:23] <xavi> wb marclaporte. Thanks for info on SYLV
[13:24] <marclaporte> we will optimize on trunk
[13:24] <marclaporte> so giving 4.x data is perfect
[13:25] <sylvieg> what is SYLV?
[13:30] <xavi> SYLV: Since your last visit (I guess :-) )
[13:30] <sylvieg> thx:-)
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[13:46] <RavenC> hi all
[13:46] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r24276 10/trunk/templates/tracker_error.tpl: [FIX]forgotten file
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[14:46] <Tikiwiki|bot>  Recent Bug: Tracker item: #2967 - - Parent Gallery doesn't show anything - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=2967
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[15:12] <xavi> hi jonnybradley
[15:15] <Tikiwiki|bot>  New Forum Posts: Modules for Non-Admins - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=35990
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[15:35] <jonnybradley> hi xavi (back)
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[15:35] <xavi> hi jonny*
[15:35] * jonnyb doesn't really understand this irc nickname thing...
[15:36] * xavi either 
[15:36] <jonnyb> it keeps saying jonnyb is registered... or something :)
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[15:38] <xavi> I was talking a few days ago to a friend of mine (from Madrid, but nowadays in Brazil) who is deveolping some virtual currency system to use with Google Wave
[15:38] <xavi> ^jonnyb (related somehow with http://dev.tikiwiki.org/cc )
[15:39] <jonnyb> coo - i never did the wave thing (had a dev account but never got there)
[15:39] <xavi> in fact, they already have working the rating system (a bot), plus some other one 
[15:39] <jonnyb> i wonder how "open" it will be?
[15:40] <xavi> well, in fact we were not "talking", but "waving" about it :-)
[15:40] <xavi> how open? google wave? my friend's bot?
[15:41] <jonnyb> the virtual currency, i guess i mean
[15:41] <xavi> he told me (he is a copyleft guru) that the server is going to be somewhat open, and in fact google laready released some substantial parts of it...
[15:41] <xavi> ah, ok, 100% open, for sure :-)
[15:41] <xavi> "he is 100% copyleft and FLOSS hacker/coder"
[15:42] <xavi> but he sees the road towards developing some p2p system for the rating, not a centralized one (to avoid too much power for a single server/site/company/group etc. in the long run with the information about the trading among people)
[15:43] <jonnyb> yes, it's the ??% openness of google that i am (a bit) suspicious of
[15:43] <xavi> oh well, the server side of the wave is not hosted in google (or I missundertood something)
[15:44] <xavi> of the robot, at least, he's using for the virtual currency
[15:44] <xavi> (my understanding of the whole google wave universe - at the server side - is still very limited)
[15:44] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r24280 10/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): [MOD] Mozilla upstream. Allow to force edit summary to be filled.
[15:46] <xavi> anyway, but as far as the cc-take2 project (regarding improving http://intercanvis.net with virtual currency), I think that we should keep going the CCLite way, since our deadline is approaching (by March'10 we should have something for testing)
[15:46] <xavi> ^ jonnyb
[15:47] <jonnyb> ok, i haven't forgotten xavi, just a bit inundated with stuff and off to NY in 40 hours or so!
[15:47] <xavi> ah, ok, you are attending! (I didn't know). Ok, sorry to disturb your pre-departure tasks :-)
[15:48] <xavi> I did'nt know because I didnt read the page for that TikiFEst (too many things still to do this week also myself)
[15:48] <jonnyb> i was also away from home until Sunday - so extra chaos!
[15:48] <xavi> :-)
[15:49] <xavi> chibaguy still around?
[15:49] <chibaguy> Hi xavi
[15:49] * xavi hopes that Gary is not also in the mood of packing things for departure to NY/
[15:50] <xavi> hi chibaguy :-) I succeeded doing the random_image trick for the tiki header! :-)
[15:50] <xavi> a few days ago. I was so happy! :-)
[15:50] <chibaguy> yay, great. :-)
[15:51] <xavi> the sad part, is that, I had to do that with image galleries (I could'nt see a similar module for images in file galleries)
[15:51] <xavi> and I've heard many times that image gals are in the way out of tiki code (even if they are still in :-)
[15:51] <chibaguy> It seems we're not ready to leave them behind yet.
[15:52] <xavi> ok.
[15:52] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r24281 10/trunk/lib/setup/sections.php: [FIX] One typo.
[15:53] <xavi> Btw, in order to have some nice gradient between the header bg color and the image (to avoid a sharp vertical change in color from header to picture), what would you suggest?
[15:53] <xavi> some piece of image in png with transparent bg, and with gradient (from color to transparent?)
[15:53] <xavi> Example (without gradient): http://gavarrespedia.org
[15:54] <xavi> right now there are 2 images, based on the same, but with a different number in black over a tree canopy (and the jpg and img id is different)
[15:55] * xavi will do his best to add new images to the image gallery today, so that the effect can be clearly seen, with pictures from the place that the site talks about: The Gavarres, a small natural park in Catalonia)
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[15:56] <MacLeod> Are there any themes that collapse or reposition the tag cloud in tiki-browse_freetags.php when searching, so that the beginning of the results is immediately visible to the user?
[15:57] <MacLeod> (Just entered wish list item  http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=2969 )
[15:57] <Tikiwiki|bot>  Recent Bug: Tracker item: #2968 - - Automatically collapse or reposition tag cloud when displaying search ... - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=2968
[15:57] <Tikiwiki|bot>  Recent Bug: Tracker item: #2969 - - Automatically collapse or reposition tag cloud when displaying search ... - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=2969
[15:57] <xavi> MacLeod: no idea, but you can reposition it your self by moving some code within the tpl, I guess. 
[15:58] <xavi> and place your customized tpl under the folder of your customized site or theme
[15:58] <MacLeod> xavi:  Can a template do that just when results are displayed?
[15:59] <xavi> I dunno. Just try (see the template code to see what it does)
[15:59] <MacLeod> xavi:  kthx.
[15:59] <xavi> welcome
[16:00] <xavi> I guess that those tricks should be added to http://themes.tikiwiki.org/Tricks (template tricks)
[16:00] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r24282 10/trunk/lib/freetag/freetaglib.php: [INDENT] No changes
[16:07] <Tikiwiki|bot>  New Forum Posts: File Galleries: how do I link to the top version of a document? - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=35991
[16:16] <chibaguy> Sorry, xavi, I have too many windows open here.
[16:17] <xavi> ok, no problem :-)
[16:17] <Tikiwiki|bot>  New Forum Posts: user tracker item permissions - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=35992
[16:18] <chibaguy> MacLeod: To me, that's in the area of functionality, which I don't think themes should affect.
[16:22] <chibaguy> (Which is why I try to avoid introducing theme-specific behaviors, etc.)
[16:23] <chibaguy> of course for a particular site, that isn't an issue.
[16:24] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r24283 10/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [MOD] Remove duplication to figure out what the current object is and allow to tag calendar events
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[16:27] <julipan> Hi people
[16:27] <julipan> I have a question/problem with the email function for the tracker
[16:27] <Tikiwiki|bot> Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, Please just ask your question, dont ask to ask, someone will reply if and when they know the answer. Welcome again and please stay awhile
[16:27] <Tikiwiki|bot> Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, Please just ask your question, dont ask to ask, someone will reply if and when they know the answer. Welcome again and please stay awhile
[16:29] <julipan> regarding the "simplified email" option: I don't see any difference if it's checked or not
[16:29] <julipan> I don't seem to get the contents of the field named Subject as the email subject
[16:30] <julipan> and the From field is not set to user email, but rather to the default tracker email address
[16:38] <julipan> Actually, there is a slight difference with the "simplified email" on; I get [Tracker] first in the email subject
[16:38] <julipan> but otherwise it seems to be identical
[16:50] <jonnyb> julipan: trackers are a mysterious place... sorry i haven't a clue :)
[17:02] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r24285 10/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): [NEW] Autocomplete for tags
[17:08] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r24286 10/trunk/tiki-export_tracker_ajax.php: [MOD] Minor improvements to tracker export (ajax) logging. Still leaking...
[17:09] <chealer> polom
[17:12] <xavi> molop
[17:18] <Tikiwiki|bot>  New Forum Posts: Article & Top Bar - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=1&comments_parentId=35993
[17:24] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r24287 10/trunk/tiki-logout.php: [ENH] Add 'page' param to logout to redirect to custom page instead of home.
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[17:27] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03chealer * r24288 10/trunk/tiki-login_openid.php: [FIX] expire group memberships on OpenID logins (re r21094)
[17:30] <xavi> chibaguy: ok, images are now working (I didn't have the appropriate perms granted for anons before). And 40+ new images added to the img gallery
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[17:30] <xavi> I have two questions, though.
[17:31] <xavi> (1) there is some little extra space added below the header, and on top of the top bar (where the horizontalk menu is). I don't know how to get rid of that...
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[17:32] <chibaguy> xavi, this is in your custom theme based on Andreas08?
[17:32] <xavi> yes
[17:32] <chibaguy> Did you point Firefox and Firebug at the page to see if they give any clues?
[17:33] <xavi> not firebug (I'm not used to it). I'm more used to Web developer toolbar, instead (but not expert)
[17:34] <chibaguy> It's hard to know without examining, in any case.
[17:34] <xavi> and the (2) question is that using firefox, I see a black line on the right margin of the logo image
[17:34] <xavi> but not with epiphany browser, for instance.
[17:34] <xavi> chibaguy: (1) ok, I'll have a look at the html source
[17:35] <chibaguy> I don't know off-hand, but will check when I get a chance.
[17:35] <xavi> My goal is to set some profile to allow users to have some header with images just a few clicks away of their site (with demo images, as starting point)
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[17:36] <xavi> if tiki doesn't provide any theme with images on (or around) the  header for Tiki 5+
[17:36] <chibaguy> That would be nice.
[17:36] <xavi> yes, I know, that's why I've been after this for the last few months
[17:38] <chibaguy> If it can be general to use any theme, it would be great, for example something that would just make use of the site header custom code area.
[17:38] <ricks99> Q: is there a plugin/mod that i can "invite" other users to my user page -- allowing them to have EDIT perm, too?
[17:38] <xavi> and this last Christmass I took the images (we went for 3 days off to that place for resting with our old dog :-) , so I took some images for the site)
[17:38] <xavi> ricks99: no idea for sure (but I don't think so, anyway)
[17:39] <ricks99> :-(
[17:41] <chibaguy> time to sleep here. g'night all. :-)
[17:41] <xavi> g'night
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[17:42] <sylvieg> had somebody this problem? impossible to download file bigger that 1M (files are stored in database) even if the max_allowed_packet is biggerthat 1M?
[17:43] <xavi> nope, sylvieg, sorry
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[17:48] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03chealer * r24289 10/trunk/tiki-login_openid.php: [FIX] When loging in with OpenID, the Since your last visit isn't reset. (tracker ID 2182)
[17:56] <ricks99> what kind of error? getting a mysql timeout?
[17:56] <sylvieg> I get only 1M of data
[17:57] <sylvieg> when I select data....
[18:00] <Tikiwiki|bot>  New Forum Posts: Article & Top Bar - While in articles the top bar disappears - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=35995
[18:05] <ricks99> only getting the first 1M of a +1M file
[18:05] <sylvieg> yes - 
[18:06] <ricks99> and nothing in mysql.log
[18:06] <sylvieg> and in the blob in the database I have more that 1M
[18:07] <ricks99> could try increasing the read buffers
[18:19] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03chealer * r24290 10/trunk/styles/strasa.css: 
[18:19] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: [FIX] OpenID logo not showing in OpenID URL input field on Strasa
[18:19] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: I assume "background: color" was a quick way to set "background-color: color" and didn't actually mean to set background-image.
[18:19] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: chibaguy: might want to check this
[18:19] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: Thanks Marc Laporte
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[18:20] <rlpowell> 0.o
[18:20] <rlpowell> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-searchresults.php?highlight=sandbox&where=pages&boolean=on&search=Go
[18:20] <rlpowell> Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 134217728 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 204212 bytes) in /var/www/lojban/tiki-svn/lib/tikilib.php on line 6330
[18:20] <rlpowell> -- it now takes more than 128MiB of RAM to do a simple page title search??
[18:27] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r24291 10/trunk/tiki-tc.php: [FIX] Reset IE CSS paths in Theme Control
[18:28] <xavi> rlpowell: welcome to the performance issues ! using tiki 4.x?
[18:28] <rlpowell> xavi: Latest HEAD, actually.
[18:28] <xavi> :-( ok. I guess you could send a message to devel list about it, before it's too late and the feature freeze arrives...
[18:29] <rlpowell> *nod*
[18:29] <rlpowell> Gonna update first.
[18:29] <xavi> anybody knows how to add some shaded background to some tet through css?
[18:30] <xavi> I mean, at the header in http://gavarrespedia.org , the text for username and password is white over an image (picture), and sometimes the contrast is far from optimum
[18:30] <xavi> I guess that some shading on top of the image but below the text would help to prevent images with lower contrast for text
[18:31] <xavi> but I don't know if this is doable through css or similar...
[18:31] <xavi> luciash around ?
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[18:36] <rlpowell> Yeah, update didn't help. -_-
[18:36] <rlpowell> Is there something like "sh -x" for php?
[18:41] <ricks99> @xavi: u can add a background image to the div that contains the text. is that what you mean?
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[18:48] <xavi> ricks99: thanks. but how do I make this image to expand with the text?
[18:48] <ricks99> repeat-x
[18:48] <xavi> I mean, narrow greish transparent bg for the text with ...
[18:48] <xavi> ah ok, I'll try. And to make it transparent cross-browser? I guess I have to make a gif instead of png
[18:49] <ricks99> background-image:url('......') repeat-x
[18:49] <xavi> thanks, ricks99. I'll try that
[18:49] <ricks99> np
[18:53] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r24292 10/trunk/tiki-admin_include_wikiatt.php: [FIX]wikiatt: sort on pagination
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[19:08] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r24293 10/trunk/lib/headerlib.php: [INDENT] No other changes
[19:12] <marclaporte> after the "Terminator", we have the "Indentor"
[19:18] <xavi> luciash ?
[19:19] <xavi> anybody knows how to set an miage with transparency on top of another image?
[19:20] <ricks99> didn't work?
[19:22] <ricks99> are you using layers? ( z-index:999) ?
[19:33] <rlpowell> OK, this is odd; I think I've hit this before but can't remember the solution.
[19:33] <rlpowell> Made a menu change.  New item shows up for logged in people but not logged out people.
[19:33] <rlpowell> No special perms on the item.
[19:34] <rlpowell> I'm guessing it's some kind of menu caching?  Anyone know how to clear it?
[19:34] <marclaporte> menu items check page perms now
[19:37] <rlpowell> That shouldn't be the issue either?  But I'll check.  Thanks.
[19:37] <rlpowell> Yeah, logged out people can see the *page* with its text just fine.
[19:38] <rlpowell> Just not the menu item that points to the page.
[19:39] <marclaporte> ok
[19:44] <rlpowell> *SIGH*.
[19:44] <rlpowell> "tki_p_view"
[19:46] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03chealer * r24294 10/branches/proposals/4.x/styles/strasa.css: [bp/r24290] [FIX] OpenID logo not showing in OpenID URL input field on Strasa
[19:46] <xavi> back
[19:46] <xavi> ricks99: I was using the images in plain wiki syntax (in L & F), not through css
[19:47] <xavi> is it possible to set that index from the Custom L & F box?
[19:47] <xavi> that z index, I mean
[19:48] <xavi> I'm looking for a transition in color between the green in the left part of the header here ( http://gavarrespedia.org ) and the image in the right hand side of the header
[19:49] <xavi> transition = gradient from green to transparent, I guess
[19:49] <xavi> the easy way is hardcoding the gradient in all images
[19:49] <xavi> but since I saw some time ago a joomla site using this approach (but I can't find that style / skin any more), I was wondering about how to achieve that
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[19:59] <xavi> bbl
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[20:42] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: [FIX] OpenID logo not showing in OpenID URL input field on Strasa
[20:42] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: already fixed for trunk in r24290
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[20:57] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03ricks99 * r24296 10/trunk/tiki-tell_a_friend.php: [FIX] include missing page title
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[21:11] <SEWilco2> Excuse me while I blow your minds...
[21:12] <SEWilco2> I need a Flash menu, and am wondering if something like the following exists:  Menu items in a tracker are used to generate Flash which displays menu icons.
[21:13] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03chealer * r24297 10/branches/proposals/4.x/templates/tiki-openid_register.tpl: [bp/24273][FIX] "Prevent automatic/robot registration:" interferes with OpenID (Ticket 1505)
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[21:18] <SEWilco2> No replies, so I assume there isn't a Flash menu generator yet.  Any dynamic Flash technology in TW yet?  Probably would use Ming.
[21:28] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03chealer * r24298 10/branches/proposals/3.x/templates/tiki-openid_register.tpl: [bp/24273][FIX] "Prevent automatic/robot registration:" interferes with OpenID (Ticket 1505)
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[21:38] <hrsms> I have assigned a "user tracker" to a group.  It seems to be working fine (only visable and editable by that group).  But any group member can edit any item.  Is there a way to limit permissions so that a user can only edit the item where they are in the "user selector" field?
[21:46] <ricks99> @SEWilco2: flash is evil -- not searchengine friend or accessible
[21:50] <chealer> xavi: could you please retest http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=1855&trackerId=5&show=view&reloff=2&cant=4&status=o&trackerId=5&sort_mode=f_41_desc&filterfield=26&filtervalue[26]=openid
[21:50] <chealer> I'll take the liberty to close it, but feel free to reopen
[21:50] <SEWilco2> ricks99: No problem.  Non-Flash equivalent would be automatically created.  Thanks, I hate non-SEO Flash also.
[21:50] <chealer> ideally on very very fresh trunk/branch 3/4
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[21:53] <SEWilco2> ricks99: If someone doesn't have Flash, they'd see a link to a page which uses PrettyTracker to display the icons and text in an SEO-friendly way.
[21:54] * SEWilco2 thinks dev.tw.o needs a URL rewrite rule for tracker items.
[21:59] <ricks99> i guess... flash has its place... just my $0.02
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[22:03] <chealer> ricks99: which exact Tiki version does twbasics.keycontent.org use?
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[22:05] <chealer> who should I contact to get a svn up on wiki-translation.com?
[22:07] <ricks99> @chearler 4.x... how would i know for sure?
[22:08] <ricks99> from svn after 4.0 release, but before 4.1
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[22:09] <chealer> ricks99: OK. you can use svn info to see the revision.
[22:09] <chealer> ricks99: is there a reason the code isn't fresher?
[22:09] <ricks99> where/how
[22:09] <ricks99> reason = lazy
[22:10] <chealer> ricks99: in the checkout's root, just $ svn info
[22:10] <ricks99> no. i exported from my svn folder. i dont store any of the _svn stuff for production sites
[22:11] <chealer> ricks99: how time-consuming would an update be? I'd like to check OpenID works well with the recent fixes. it doesn't work (or not properly) currently.
[22:11] <chealer> ricks99: I see
[22:11] <ricks99> my tiki-index.php is 23388 2009-11-20 if that helps
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[22:12] <chealer> ricks99: anyway, I don't need that level of precision
[22:12] <ricks99> not too timeconsuming. ftp just takes forever
[22:12] <ricks99> i can start it and ping u in a bit if u want? or send u and email
[22:12] <ricks99> want me to udpate from 4.x or trunk?
[22:13] <chealer> ricks99: OK. I would appreciate if you could update to proposals/4.x HEAD and test whether OpenID works well. I can do/help with OpenID testing if you want.
[22:14] <chealer> ricks99: real 4.x is no good for this test
[22:14] <chealer> ("accepted")
[22:15] <ricks99> k. i'll do a clean checkout from ../branches/proposals/4.x
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[22:16] <ricks99> @chearler: can u pm ur email? i'll send u link when set up
[22:16] <xavi1> chealer: ok, closed. thanks for the link and reminder
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[22:19] <chealer> xavi: thanks. do you know who's admin on wiki-translation.com ?
[22:46] <hrsms> I glanced through the IRC etiquette.  It said to be patient.  After an hour, can I ask again without being impatient?  It also says not to ask, just ask, so I'll ask again....
[22:46] <hrsms> new hereI have assigned a "user tracker" to a group.  It seems to be working fine (only visable and editable by that group).  But any group member can edit any item.  Is there a way to limit permissions so that a user can only edit the item where they are in the "user selector" field?
[22:50] <jonnyb> welcome (polom) hrsms, an hour is more than patient (imho)
[22:51] <jonnyb> hrsms: what version of tiki?
[22:53] <jonnyb> hrsms:  i think that's how it should work - sounds like a bug?
[22:53] <hrsms> Ah.  Important point.  Sorry.  4.x - I just created it.  Is there somewhere in the admin section I can find the version?
[22:54] <jonnyb> admin/general (but that's probably close enough)
[22:54] <hrsms> I was already there, but did not see it.  Now I do.  It is 4.1.
[22:55] <jonnyb> there's a big difference between perms (permissions) in 3.x and 4.x
[22:56] <jonnyb> so that's suggestion #1 out ;)
[22:57] <jonnyb> what you want sounds like the desired behaviour, so it sounds like a bug
[22:57] <hrsms> I've only been working with tiki for two days.  It's the first CMS system I've used.  Everything before was php/html in notepad + MySQL.  I created the site as a learning project. I've learned as much "raw" information as I'm intersted in, now I'm ready to take advantage of a "real" system.
[22:57] <hrsms> So I'm converting the site to use tiki.  Looks REALLY cool.
[22:58] <jonnyb> unless you can remove the perm to admin trackers from that group?
[22:58] <hrsms> Hold on.  I'll check to see if it is set (I don't think so).
[22:58] <jonnyb> yes, me too - wrote all this stuff (well, some of it) myself before working that out ;)
[23:01] <hrsms> tiki_p_admin_trackers is not set in global area and not overridden for the particular tracker
[23:01] <hrsms> .. for the group in question, that is.
[23:02] <jonnyb> ik - #2 ruled out...
[23:03] <hrsms> If anyone is interested in checking the settings directly, I'd be happy to set up a temp admin user.  The site is not "sensitive" in any way, and it's new, so there is not a lot of work to be undone.
[23:04] <hrsms> If it is a bug, where does one report it?  At least the list is not viewable by the world.  That's the important thing for now.
[23:04] <jonnyb> prolly a bug then - go http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Report+a+Bug (it's too much for me at this time of night, and it's trackers...)
[23:04] <jonnyb> :)
[23:04] <hrsms> Where are you?  Europe?
[23:06] <jonnyb> london (uk)
[23:07] <hrsms> Cool.  Would love to visit.  Been to a lot of places on the continent (even lived/worked in Denmark for 10 months), but not the UK yet.  Some day...
[23:07] <hrsms> Thanks for your time
[23:07] <jonnyb> where u now?
[23:08] <hrsms> Newport News, Virginia, USA
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[23:11] <jonnyb> #2: been to copenhagen once, virginia not (yet) - but NY the day after tomorrow (coo - server reboot?)
[23:11] <jonnyb> ^hrsms
[23:14] <hrsms> Well, I've never been to NY!!  What takes you there, if I may ask.  Not trying to be nosy.
[23:15] <hrsms> What did you think of Copenhagen?  I really enjoyed it.
[23:15] <hrsms> Lived in Odense though.
[23:16] <jonnyb> NY = http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestNY#What - copenhagen: didn't get out of the airport :)
[23:17] <xavi> chealer: Alain is admin, afaik
[23:17] <xavi> g'night all
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[23:17] <jonnyb> nn xavi
[23:17] <hrsms> That doesn't count!!  If it does, then I've been to the UK.  Cruise ship dropped us off in Southampton and bus took us straight to Gatwick.  So I don't say I've been to England
[23:18] <hrsms> Figured it out!!  I removed tiki_p_modify_tracker_items for the tracker only.  Even with it removed, I can still edit the item assigned to the user I'm logged in as, but not the others.
[23:19] * jonnyb was going to ask about Odense, but googled - HCA lived there of course!
[23:19] <jonnyb> ok, you logged in as admin? should be able to do everything
[23:20] <hrsms> Yep!  Not the most interesting city, but had a lot of fun traveling around other places.
[23:20] <hrsms> No, I logged out as admin and back in as someone else.
[23:20] <jonnyb> i was commuting to norway for a while, had to detour once
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[23:22] <jonnyb> so tracker perms thing sorted? if you can please add the solution to http://doc.tikiwiki.org/user%20tracker
[23:22] <jonnyb> (i got lost)
[23:22] <hrsms> Been to Norway twice.  Beautiful!!!  June '08 I was invited to join a friend of a friend to sail in there 16m wooden replica sailboat down the coast from the Lofoten Islands for 7 nights.  What a trip!!
[23:23] <hrsms> Sure, I'll add it if I can figure out how.  New to the "community".  Should I bother if this is common knowledge for everyone but me?  
[23:23] <jonnyb> nice - been to lofoten - drove from olso to tromso once... Lofoten was a highlight
[23:24] <hrsms> recap.  I have set up three users testing, in addition to admin.  All three are in "Registered" group.  Two are in "Members" group...
[23:25] <hrsms> Only the two can see the tracker, because it is assigned to track that group...
[23:25] <hrsms> Both members could edit the item for the other until I removed tiki_p_modify_tracker_items ...
[23:25] <hrsms> I thought this would prevent them from mod their own item, but it does not.
[23:26] <hrsms> Interesting drive from Olso to Tromsoe !
[23:26] <jonnyb> it's a great trip, ay?
[23:27] <jonnyb> hmm, sounds like you need a special feature to stop users editing their own stuff (not really the "tiki-way")
[23:27] <hrsms> I flew from Oslo to Bodoe
[23:27] <jonnyb> never did Bodo/ø - sounded too dull...
[23:28] <hrsms> Terribly dull.  I was only there for a few hours, waiting for the ferry to my (new) friends place in the Lofotens.
[23:29] <jonnyb> :) (i miss the north)
[23:30] <hrsms> The answer to stopping people from editing their own items would seem to be NOT assigning a Users Information Tracker to the group.  Make a tracker to do the same job that is editable only by admin.
[23:31] <jonnyb> could be - with tiki it's a bit like cooking... it's almost impossible to recreate in a different kitchen
[23:31] <hrsms> I was reading a book (by daylight) on the deck as we were anchored in a beautiful bay surrounded by mountains.  I lost track of time.  Looked at my watch and it was 00:30.  Looked up and saw a 180 deg rainbow!!
[23:32] <jonnyb> gottagonow - nitenite (don't get me started on 4am in the arctic - i need sleep :) )
[23:33] <hrsms> I'm not sure what you mean by the kitchen comment.  Every system has it's down side.  Are you happy with tiki in general?  I'm just getting started in it.  Bad idea??
[23:33] <hrsms> OK.  One very last thing.  Do you really think I should post to http://doc.tikiwiki.org/user%20tracker?
[23:33] <sylvieg> hrsms: you have a setting in tracker creator can edit their items
[23:34] <hrsms> But admin created the tracker, not the individual.  Am I missing something?
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[23:34] <sylvieg> everythig depends on the content on the field user selector
[23:35] <sylvieg> admin can have created the tracker with the user selector to xxx
[23:35] <sylvieg> so xxx will be able to edit the item if the setting is on
[23:36] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03chealer * r24299 10/trunk/lib/pear/Auth/ (41 files in 3 dirs): update php-openid to 2.1.3 (despite 'Auth_OpenID_VERSION' being defined as '2.1.2')
[23:37] <hrsms> I see this.  "Item creator can modify his items?".  And it also says I need the User field with option 1.  So this setting overrides tiki_p_modify_tracker_items ?
[23:37] <sylvieg> yes the setting will overwrite the perm
[23:38] <hrsms> OK!  Thanks to both you and johnnyb!
[23:38] <sylvieg> it is like some other features - creator can modify...
[23:38] <hrsms> Thanks again.  I'm new, and I'll get used to it soon enough, I'm sure.
[23:40] <jonnyb> thanks sylvieg too - hrsms: sounds like you're doing fine if you've got that far - welcome to tiki!
[23:40] <hrsms> I won't post anything, since this looks like it "Works As Designed" , as we say in my office.
[23:41] <jonnyb> not a bug, it's another feature! :)
[23:43] <sylvieg> jonnyb: it is .. messy stuff around perm - there are perfectly design and need exception - creator special perm around them
[23:43] <hrsms> The word "creator" threw me.  I'll have to test if I can, as admin, fill in items.  That means "admin" created it.  But the system looks at the "user selector" field instead of looking at who actually created the item?
[23:43] <sylvieg> it should be at the kernel level not at the outside level - for tiki7?
[23:44] <ricks99> ping chealer
[23:44] <chealer> hey ricks99
[23:44] <ricks99> still ftping... do u want a fresh db?
[23:44] <ricks99> or duplicate of exiting smarties db?
[23:44] <sylvieg> admin can/must be able to do everything like somebodyelse
[23:45] <jonnyb> sylvieg: tiki6 is is a long way off (comparatively) - should be a good one! (?)
[23:45] <chealer> ricks99: as you want (I was planning to test directly on http://twbasics.keycontent.org )
[23:46] <hrsms> Thanks a lot, really.  Very much appreciated.  Time to go home for dinner.   After that I'll try more tiki !! 
[23:46] <jonnyb> molop all
[23:46] <chealer> if that's possible
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[23:46] <ricks99> k. i'll dup the db (will be 'nearly' live) ;-)
[23:47] * ricks99 wishes for a better isp
[23:48] <hrsms> sylvieg:  one more time please, as I try to summarize this for myself...  Admin can create items, but system recognizes value in "user selector" as the "creator" ?
[23:48] <sylvieg> yes
[23:48] <sylvieg> the real creator is memrozed but not used
[23:49] <hrsms> Great!  Good night, and thank you again.
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