#tikiwiki 2010-02-11,Thu

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CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r25034 10/trunk/tiki-list_articles.php: [ENH] Allow filtering of Find results by published date for articles tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r25035 10/trunk/templates/tiki-list_articles.tpl: [ENH] Activate showing of date range filter when finding articles	[00:49]
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CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r25036 10/trunk/templates/comments.tpl: [FIX] Do not show comments title box check was wrong	[01:42]
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CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r25037 10/trunk/templates/ (comment-header.tpl styles/coelesce/comment-header.tpl): [FIX] Titles of comments titled "Untitled" should simply not be shown	[01:48]
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modn	can anybody help me with tiki wiki search box	[02:04]
chealer	modn: more likely if you explain how you can be helped	[02:08]
modn	I have enabled the search box in the theme, and the permissions are assigned to the correct group yet it still does not display. This was an upgrade from a previous version of tw I installed a fresh install on another server and by default it displayed the search bar.	[02:11]
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CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r25038 10/trunk/templates/ (comment-header.tpl styles/coelesce/comment-header.tpl): [FIX] If comment title equals page name, it should simply not show since this is the auto-created when the comment is created with no title	[02:44]
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luciash	re luciash still unsure how to get rid of the enwanted extra generated space between tracker items in trackerlist using wiki page as template s/enwanted/unwanted/	[03:03]
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gerbert	godaddy offers grid hosting environment. does anybody know how tiki will bahave in grid hosting? the following are the limitations of godday grid hosting(will they apply to Tiki?) : Storing data within the Application namespace and depending on multiple concurrent sessions accessing accurate data for the entire application. Static Classes where sessions across the site (application) must have concurrent access to accurate data. Concurrent file writes to the same file in multiple sessions or concurrent threads. Example of affected resources: File-based databases and cross session log files (these issues are exaggerated in a Grid Hosting environment due to additional volume).	[03:10]
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Kimberlee	Hello all.	[03:27]
Tikiwiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: Tiki in grid hosting environment. will it work? - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=36309	[03:27]
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ricks99	need help with tiki calendars... how do i edit or delete a calendar category?	[03:35]
gerbert	Tikiwiki\|bot: that forum does not have any replies yet. i was hoping to get a faster reply from the chat	[03:37]
ricks99	the bot is a bot... anyone: can i safely delete or edit calendar categoreis from the tiki_calendar_categories table? is it "tied" to anything? will i b breaking anything by editing directly from the DB?	[03:37]
Kimberlee	ricks99: dunno offhand, sorry	[03:41]
ricks99	i don't see it stored as a hash or referenced by anything...	[03:42]
Kimberlee	would seem safe to me.	[03:42]
ricks99	ricks99 HATES* that there are 3 different categoriy systems in Tiki...* ricks99 ... all different :(	[03:42]
Kimberlee	I follow. gerbert: haven't used GoDaddy grid hosting.	[03:43]
ricks99	hmm... doesn't seem to be any issues after editing the calendar category directly from DB	[03:51]
Kimberlee	:D the table name makes it seem safe, heh	[03:52]
ricks99	y. i know its the right spot, just not sure if it is validated somehwere else	[03:54]
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CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r25039 10/trunk/tiki-filter-base.php: improve some code, hoping to protect others from brain damage	[04:53]
coaboa_	good morning folks	[04:55]
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CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r25040 10/trunk/lib/setup/prefs.php: [FIX] Default cookie path outside tikiroot if Tiki not in domain root tikiwiki: 03chealer * r25041 10/trunk/ (lib/userslib.php tiki-login.php): [FIX] Persistent login cookie path (r7443 regression) tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r25042 10/trunk/ (13 files): [MOD] access check: deploy some accesslib check functions tikiwiki: 03chealer * r25043 10/trunk/lib/userslib.php: [SEC] Server-side persistent login cookie deletion (r23616 regression) tikiwiki: 03chealer * r25044 10/branches/proposals/4.x/lib/setup/prefs.php: [bp/r25040] [FIX] Default cookie path outside tikiroot if Tiki not in domain root tikiwiki: 03chealer * r25045 10/branches/proposals/4.x/ (lib/userslib.php tiki-login.php): [bp/r25041] [FIX] Persistent login cookie path (r7443 regression) tikiwiki: 03chealer * r25046 10/branches/proposals/4.x/lib/userslib.php: [bp/r25043] [SEC] Server-side persistent login cookie deletion	[06:08]
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CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r25048 10/trunk/ (409 files): [FIX] svn property keywords in order to have the correct revision information in the heading of all files	[07:06]
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CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r25049 10/trunk/templates/ (172 files in 12 dirs): [FIX] svn property keywords in order to have the correct revision information in the heading of all files tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r25050 10/trunk/changelog.txt: [FIX] svn property keywords removed from changelog file	[09:12]
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stix	Why is it impossible to make a link to a file://fileserver. It works when I click "Test" but when I save the site, the link is completely removed ??	[09:22]
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CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r25051 10/trunk/ (131 files in 43 dirs): [FIX] svn property keywords in order to have the correct revision information in the heading of all files	[09:42]
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chibaguy	stix, "file://" isn't a web protocol, I believe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_URI_scheme	[09:49]
stix	no but you can select "other" when creating a link. Or I should at least be able to write it in the souce-code and it works in "Test"	[09:52]
chibaguy	the url I posted gives some info. seems that browsers handle it differently, etc.	[09:53]
stix	No matter what, it seems like tiki is removing this link	[09:59]
chibaguy	Are you sure such a link will work in a normal HTML page?	[10:00]
stix	yes 100% internet explorer supports it natively and FF needs a little tweak no matter what, tiki shouldn't remove a link when I add it in source	[10:00]
chibaguy	I suspect it may be a security issue, assuming it's a designed behavior and not a bug. The wikipedia page says the reason mozilla doesn't support it is the security aspect. That IE allows it isn't too surprising, I imagine.	[10:03]
stix	Yes I know it is disable in FF for security reasons. But I want to decide myself if it should be allowed	[10:05]
chibaguy	Ok. I guess you could file a bug report. Is it possible to use http:// and the domain instead?	[10:07]
stix	no it cannot be done unfortunately. Btw, where can I enable the default editor?	[10:08]
chibaguy	I think if you activate the wysiwyg editor, it becomes the default. Is that what you mean?	[10:11]
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coaboa	hi chibagy: as i read you conversation with stix. is there an easy way to replace the current wysiwyg editor with eg.tinymce? and is there a config file on how to handle wiki syntax?	[10:35]
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coaboa	chibaguy: reason i ask this is that tinymce supports non editable content and i would like to try if this may protect wikisyntax from being screwed by wysywig	[10:39]
chibaguy	ah, well there's no option in Tiki to swap out the current wysiwyg editor for another one.	[10:40]
coaboa	ok. just a thought.	[10:41]
chibaguy	btw, what do you mean by "non editable content"? (just wondering how fckeditor is failing, here.)	[10:46]
coaboa	when trying to edit content with the tinymce editor which is marked as non editable it is not editable and all buttons are greyed out. which might be used to protect wikisyntax form being screwed up	[10:48]
chibaguy	I don't use the wysiwyg editor in Tiki, but understand that it's best to stick with one editor for any particular page, not to try switching back and forth.	[10:50]
coaboa	is it possible to only have the wysiwig editor enabled for a special group. to prevent switching?	[10:51]
chibaguy	I don't know.	[10:51]
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coaboa	chibaguy: whom I may ask to enable wysiwig by default for eg. registered and disable the satandard editor?	[11:06]
chibaguy	If you just activate it as a feature, it will be the default editor.	[11:07]
	I don't even see the "use regular editor" switch on the edit page, in my Tiki 4 installation. Hmm.	[11:12]
coaboa	some themes don't show the icon	[11:16]
chibaguy	really, what themes?	[11:16]
coaboa	not sure but the tools tab and wysiwyg->regular edit switch where missing in business (but not in every installation) so i thought it was because of a screwed database... my local server is upgrading currently but i can check later...	[11:20]
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chibaguy	ok, I'm checking now in Tiki 4 installation. I wish the wysiwyg editor worked consistently in opera. firefox works but is a lot slower. yeah, the switch icon is ok in the Business theme. It should be independent of the theme, since it's in the editor tool bar.	[11:42]
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coaboa	thats why i thought maybe my database was inconsistent. I'll try it later.	[11:46]
chibaguy	The problem is, if the center column is too narrow, the toolbar gets cut off and there's no scrollbar sensitive to that (only sensitive to the edit textarea). So in a 1200px screen, with both side columns on, the center is too narrow for the full tool bar. Business was actually designed to be used with just one side column.	[11:46]
coaboa	oh that could be the reason. the center column in business with fixed width is pretty smal	[11:47]
chibaguy	Yeah, this problem should be put in the theme readme or somewhere.	[11:48]
ricks99	hi all :-)	[11:49]
coaboa	hi	[11:49]
chibaguy	I suspect it's the same for a lot of fixed-width themes. hi ricks99	[11:50]
coaboa	probably. I looked at it as i ran in milkyway problems and searched for a theme which i can twak to look like milkyway without the (inbetween solved ;-) thx again) problems.. *tweak	[11:51]
chibaguy	I'll check on a way to giv the toolbar container a minimum width.	[11:52]
coaboa	cool.	[11:53]
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coaboa	ricks99: do you know how to restrict the wiki editor to wysiwyg for eg. registered group?	[12:03]
ricks99	hm... dont think there is a tiki_p_edit_wysiwyg permission... not sure if this is possible without a hack u would have to add the check into the tpl file	[12:04]
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CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r25053 10/branches/proposals/4.x/styles/layout/ (layout-reference.css layout.css): [FIX] Min-width for wysiwyg toolbar container (toolbar right end was cut off in narrow themes). Thanks to coaboa for pointing out the problem.	[12:25]
	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r25054 10/trunk/styles/layout/ (layout-reference.css layout.css): [FIX] Min-width for wysiwyg toolbar container (toolbar right end was cut off in narrow themes). Thanks to coaboa for pointing out the problem.	[12:34]
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chibaguy	hey jonnyb	[12:35]
jonnyb	greetings chibaguy I remembered to log in today :)	[12:35]
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jonnyb	chibaguy: i wanted to say thanks for all the 4.x updated themes - i installed them all on a friend's site the other day and it makes tiki look _so_ good! Thanks! :D	[12:39]
chibaguy	ah, great. you're welcome. I hope they are working ok.	[12:39]
jonnyb	yes, all seemed perfect - she chose faulkner in the end oh, and i meant to say i added the infinite carousel to trunk	[12:41]
ricks99	+1 for the updated themes. great work chibaguy!	[12:41]
jonnyb	got the author to dual license, so it's in - just haven't had time to finish updating the filegal slideshow to it i hope to at least add it to the files plugin hi ricks99	[12:42]
ricks99	hiya jonnyb	[12:42]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r25055 10/trunk/css/ie6.css: [FIX] IE6 width rule for wysiwyg toolbar container (toolbar right end was cut off in narrow themes). Thanks to coaboa for pointing out the problem.	[12:42]
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chibaguytoo	yes, jonny, I saw that it was added. one question: with these scripts, there needs to be initialization (?) added to head, also some css in some cases. so not just the link to the script file. how will this be done in the case of infinite carousel? manually?	[12:45]
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jonnyb	how do you mean? (and how come there are two or you?)	[12:45]
chibaguy	heh, one of me timed out or something.	[12:46]
jonnyb	any jQuery init stuff should happen in either tiki-jquery.js or setup/js_detect.php (if you need database stuff in it)	[12:47]
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jonnyb	(should add this to some docs really i guess)	[12:47]
chibaguy	I mean usually there are two or three steps to add such a script - 1. link to its js file, 2. add some <script></script> stuff, sometimes with a filter if $page eq 'carousel'. 3. add some css needed for it in the page.	[12:47]
jonnyb	i added a 'carousel' mode to the tiki plugin so if you want something carouselled you would add $jq('#the_things_id').tiki('carousel') somewhere the link (1) is done when you select the feature in admin/look/ui effects	[12:48]
chibaguy	I see.	[12:49]
jonnyb	the scripty stuff (2) should all be done for you in tiki-jquery.js (in the tiki plugin)	[12:49]
chibaguy	great.	[12:49]
jonnyb	and i didn't get as far as 3 cos i couldn't quite get part 2 working! :) i must try and get it fixed up for 5.0 tho... it's a good thing oh yes, the problem was it needs absolute sized images	[12:49]
chibaguy	i think 3. could be inline css, tho the docs say to put it in head on the carousel page.	[12:50]
jonnyb	the old one (colorbox) doesn't	[12:50]
chibaguy	right.	[12:50]
jonnyb	yup, 3 can happen in js_detect.php	[12:50]
chibaguy	well, people could just be aware that it needs same-size images, I guess.	[12:51]
jonnyb	so really i think we need a way to have colorbox for some filegals, and carousel for others maybe we only add carousel to the files plugin and leave the "slideshow" as colobox? ...hmmm	[12:51]
chibaguy	maybe so. I think infinite carousel is kind of special-purpose, in a way.	[12:52]
jonnyb	indeed colorbox os more general purpose so better for filegals	[12:52]
chibaguy	yes	[12:53]
jonnyb	good, that a plan then :D	[12:53]
chibaguy	:-)	[12:53]
ricks99	Q: I want to drasticly edit/update/improve much of the English text... ... but I don't want to impact other translations or have to edit all the TPLs ... ... If I uncomment a line in the EN language.php file and edit only the right side element ... ... will I be able to edit the English prompts without affecting other languages?	[12:59]
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chibaguy	ricks99, I was told that the English text shouldn't be changed independently of the translation strings.	[13:01]
ricks99	:-(	[13:01]
chibaguy	iow, the strings should _be_ the english text, so no "english translation".	[13:01]
ricks99	so i can't simply edit the en language.php as ''original text'' => "new improved text"	[13:02]
chibaguy	but presumably if you're just improving the wording, rather than changing the meaning, the other languages' translations should still be accurate.	[13:02]
ricks99	that is my intention. no offense to anyone, but many of the English prompts are inconsistent, poor gammar, or just plain confusing	[13:02]
chibaguy	actually, the change should be made in the template, and in all the language files.	[13:03]
ricks99	i agree, that's the right way to do it, but then all the translations would be out-of-sync ricks99 really, ther should be NO text in the templates, just variable holders	[13:03]
chibaguy	well, I've gone through them to some degree a few times. There's a page at dev.tw.o for proposedstring changes.	[13:04]
ricks99	y, ive seen that but theres some basic things, too. is it "email" "Email" "e-mail" or "E-mail" ? I've seen it all 4 ways in the tpls	[13:04]
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ricks99	was hoping i could tweak only a single file and not mess up any translations... :-(	[13:06]
chibaguy	http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Pending+text+corrections The history can be checked on that page for things that were on the list before.	[13:06]
ricks99	y, but there are other things like run-on sentences, etc	[13:08]
chibaguy	Yep, I fixed some of those cases: "Access denied you cannot edit this page" etc.	[13:08]
ricks99	so, after they're added to the pending corrections list, then what? for example, i want to change "Creation date (asc)" to "Creation date (ascending: A - Z)"	[13:08]
chibaguy	well, Jyhem can run a script that will change all instances in the files. But I got impatient in my last times and just did find and replace in my files and committed.	[13:10]
ricks99	ricks99 wishes there were an easier way... k. i'll add start adding to that list	[13:10]
chibaguy	But I felt obligated to put them on the list for a few days anyway, in case anyone has a comment.	[13:11]
ricks99	the page says: A workaround is to use lang/en/language.php what does that mean?	[13:11]
chibaguy	I don't know. That doesn't seem consistent with the procedure I was told.	[13:12]
ricks99	k. tx chibaguy. i'll add to the list and we'll see what happens.	[13:17]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r25058 10/trunk/ (4 files): [MOD] header change : copyright + Id tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r25059 10/trunk/tiki-wikiplugin_edit.php: [MOD] Slightly more sensible error messages	[13:18]
chibaguy	ok. probably Jyhem watches the page.	[13:19]
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luciash	polom	[13:40]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r25064 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [ENH] Object perms management page gets it's own menu item	[13:40]
jonnyb	hi luciash	[13:41]
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stix	In tikiwiki3 I could choose from both the wysiwyg editor and the default one - how can I enable the old-school default editor in tikiiwiki4?	[13:47]
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chibaguy	stix, there's a switch-edit icon in the editor toolbar.	[13:49]
stix	oh yes :)	[13:49]
coaboa	chibaguy: thx for the quick wysiwyg toolbar fix.	[13:54]
chibaguy	sure.	[13:55]
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RavenC	hello everyone	[13:57]
jonnyb	hi RavenC	[13:58]
ricks99	hi Raven C	[14:00]
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luciash	+1 for translation strings like "You_are_not_logged_in" => "You are not logged in." hi jonnyb	[14:13]
jonnyb	hi luciash - how's the igloo?	[14:13]
luciash	jonnyb: still standing :)	[14:14]
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luciash	i guess we will improve it during the weekend ;)	[14:14]
jonnyb	:)	[14:14]
ricks99	@luciash: translation string fixes? ^^^^	[14:18]
luciash	ricks99: yes, or "comments(2-4)" => "comments" (as some non-english languages need it) or "msgs(5+)" => "messages"	[14:21]
ricks99	so, i can edit the enlish language.php directly withou timpacting/breaking other language translations (if i'm only editing the text -- not changing meaning)?	[14:24]
luciash	+1 from me, you'll just get -1 from someone else :-p	[14:24]
ricks99	is a +1 from u worth more than most folks' ? ;-) ricks99 wishes that all* text stirings were externalized*	[14:26]
luciash	maybe it would be just good idea to put these "special workarounds" as a list on some wiki page to let ppl know heheh	[14:26]
ricks99	see http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Pending+text+corrections it says "01 A workaround is to use lang/en/language.php" what does that mean/imply?	[14:27]
luciash	eh ?	[14:27]
ricks99	exactly	[14:30]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r25066 10/trunk/lib/tikilib.php: tikiwiki: [MOD] Add $override_dates param to list_articles. This allows you to ignore the tikiwiki: "show before publish" and "show after expiry" date settings on the article type tikiwiki: (in other words find only the date range you were looking for).	[14:30]
luciash	ricks99: i see nothing between the quotes: " " what does that mean/imply?	[14:31]
ricks99	oh... 01it says > A workaround is to use lang/en/language.php < what does that mean/imply? better?	[14:31]
luciash	nope :-/	[14:31]
ricks99	01A workaround is to use lang/en/language.php	[14:31]
luciash	the text you paste just doesn't display on this side of the world :(	[14:32]
ricks99	sigh... A workaround is to use lang/en/language.php how's that?	[14:32]
luciash	now good :)	[14:32]
ricks99	(or u couuld simply read the page) :)	[14:32]
luciash	heheh	[14:32]
ricks99	does that note mean that it is acceptable to simply edit the right-side of the foo=>bar in the language.php?	[14:33]
luciash	yes, this means that you can use the en/language.php file to "translate" english strings yes, it will not affect/break anything	[14:33]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r25067 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): rollback 25033 to a better fix	[14:33]
ricks99	so i can edit/update/change/modify english text to improve usability withoug causing issues?	[14:34]
luciash	yes	[14:34]
ricks99	tx so in reality, we do really have externalized string bundles	[14:34]
luciash	you can only cause confusion a bit ;) yep, in reality we can have whatever in tpls which affects the left side and only the right side matters how it will be presented to the specific language user	[14:35]
ricks99	im good at causing confusion...	[14:36]
luciash	:)	[14:36]
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ricks99	if i go that route, should my changes be checked into proposals or trunk? or both?	[14:37]
luciash	languages translations are accepted directly in branches you don't have to put them in proposals	[14:38]
ricks99	k. tx luciash	[14:38]
coaboa	So is it poosible to rename eg. Topics -> to Genres and Categories -> to topics? Tryed that but it screwed some funcionality.	[14:39]
luciash	coaboa: where ? coaboa: only in right part of the translation strings langauge.php file	[14:40]
ricks99	or custom lang.php	[14:41]
luciash	coaboa: of course if you rename that in tpl, you ask for little trouble	[14:41]
coaboa	Topics for exampl. I renamed the lang and in some moduls it still showed up with the old name.	[14:41]
luciash	coaboa: need clear cache	[14:41]
coaboa	will try again ;-) some months ago.	[14:42]
luciash	yes, lang/en/custom.php is other option	[14:42]
	ricks99: would be fun to force new translations if we renamed all tr strings in tpls to contain e.g. underscores instead of spaces... something like "Hello World" would become "_Hello_World_" ;) then one could easily see what strings are untranslated yet	[14:50]
ricks99	hm.. fun isn't quite the word I would choose :)	[14:51]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r25068 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_articles.php: tikiwiki: [FIX] Add overrideDates param to articles plugin so you can list the date range you actually want, whether the 'article type' says so or not. tikiwiki: Also various other small fixes (including don't default to only 3 items) and some code reformatting.	[14:52]
	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r25069 10/trunk/styles/strasa/options/mono.css: [CSS] More monochromatic-ness	[14:57]
jonnyb	does anyone know if function.tikicon.php is still used? i'm not finding any references to it in trunk and last real commit was 2004	[14:59]
luciash	jonnyb: i don't even know what was the purpose of it	[15:04]
jonnyb	i'll kil it and we can rollback if needs be... (it was a very old version of {icon} i think	[15:04]
luciash	or i don't remember ok	[15:05]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r25070 10/trunk/article_image.php: [MOD] header change : copyright + Id	[15:05]
jonnyb	before my time too	[15:05]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r25071 10/trunk/lib/Date/: [KIL] Removing unused partial copy off PEAR::Date in lib/Date again (initially done in r8895 by sept_7 in 2007?)	[15:05]
coaboa	is there a way to have topic without articles? (and to use them for wiki pages)	[15:07]
luciash	is the php documentation for strftime incomplete or is it really not possible to format month number without preceding zero ? coaboa: nope, use category instead	[15:07]
chibaguy	ricks99, the point of changing the strings instead of editing lang/en/language.php, I think, was to avoid having to process that language file. (mose is who told me to not do that.) he said what is the point of having a faulty English string be translated to a good English string? Why not just make it a good English string to begin with? And since the meaning isn't changing - presumably - it doesn't matter if the string is also changed in the other language files. To me this makes perfect sense.	[15:09]
luciash	it makes sense for english speaking people to have the english strings originals not "translated" but it is hard then for the others	[15:11]
jonnyb	that sounds like good sense to me chibaguy (i've been lurking on this translation thread)	[15:11]
chibaguy	Why? Isn't better to improve the strings?	[15:12]
ricks99	i agree that the correct way to fix English text is directly in the TPL, but that is a lot of work and would potentially break a lot of things i am trying to balance correctness vs. speed	[15:12]
chibaguy	It's easier to translate a good English than weird English, which is what ricks99 wants to correct.	[15:12]
luciash	anyway, until we don't get rid of the lang/en/language.php file it will be processed anyway	[15:12]
chibaguy	no, ricks99, it isn't a lot of work. a. notice weird English in interface. b. do global search. c. replace appropriate cases (most of them are) with good English.	[15:12]
ricks99	but if i change a TPL, then someone has to change all the lang.php files?	[15:13]
chibaguy	Yes, you do.]	[15:13]
luciash	well, i am just hanging here on the rick's issue trying to solve something a bit different, i agree ;)	[15:13]
chibaguy	I did anyway.	[15:13]
ricks99	that means i have to touch 100s of tiles. vs touching a single file	[15:14]
chibaguy	yep, it takes a text editor about 10 seconds. or less.	[15:14]
ricks99	first i have to grep all the php and tpls	[15:14]
luciash	but on the other hand it would avoid these string corrections	[15:14]
chibaguy	yep, that takes a minute or so the first iteration, then they're in ram, at least on my machine. subsequent searches are even faster.	[15:15]
ricks99	i see ur point. it just seems somehow cleaner to me to change only a single file	[15:16]
chibaguy	I don't see how it can be clean, when all the other instances of faulty strings remain. Of course they aren't exposed, in remission so to speak, but still.... ;-)	[15:17]
luciash	ricks99: but you agree it is a workaround, right ?	[15:17]
chibaguy	ricks99, I don't mind doing the find and replace, if you want to just put the changes you want on the dev.tw.o page, I can take care of it, if Jyhem doesn't get to it first. chibaguy kinda likes that mechanical work	[15:18]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r25072 10/trunk/ (28 files): [MOD] Header: Copyright + Id	[15:19]
luciash	:)	[15:19]
ricks99	im just concerend (maybe not really an issue) of touching 100s of TPLs and PHPs (and maybe even JSs)	[15:19]
luciash	chibaguy likes to earn easy good karma points ;)	[15:19]
chibaguy	I say they need touching. ;-)	[15:19]
ricks99	another reason (maybe) that all strings should b externalized anyway, i started adding some items to the dev page	[15:19]
chibaguy	I guess in the long run there should be a better solution, for sure.	[15:20]
ricks99	would cut down on the size of the files, too. tiki footprint is becoming an issue	[15:20]
luciash	yes, they should be real "translation strings", not "english sentences"	[15:20]
chibaguy	out of curiosity, what would be the translation string instead of "Permission denied." for example?	[15:21]
ricks99	%id1%	[15:21]
chibaguy	hm	[15:21]
ricks99	would cut all lang.php file sizes by aprox 50%	[15:22]
luciash	chibaguy: "_Permission_denied_" imho ricks99: %id1% would be really tough for translators	[15:22]
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ricks99	why? if strings were translated via the tiki db interface it wouldnt matter	[15:22]
chibaguy	so rick's method has the advantage of reducing string length...	[15:23]
ricks99	would also eliminate issues of punctuation, etc.	[15:23]
luciash	ricks99: how would you know id1 means "Permission denied." ?	[15:23]
chibaguy	...tho is rather obscure	[15:23]
ricks99	we would need some sort of lookup table/master index	[15:23]
chibaguy	aka lang/en/language.php ;-) (says the English speaker ;-) )	[15:24]
ricks99	but that woudl not have to be deliveired -- used only internally in dev fwiw, thats how we do it in Java i'm not saying it is perfect, only an alternative but 40MB of language files is a lot of extra weight to carry around	[15:24]
luciash	yep, but that makes it harder for translators... now they just can grab the file and translate/correct easily in any text editor it would also need get_strings.php to be adapted to it, etc.	[15:25]
ricks99	again, just an idea	[15:26]
luciash	btw, did we agree on removing the commented out strings for release ?	[15:26]
chibaguy	yes, I believe so, luciash.	[15:26]
jonnyb	there was a good discussion in a London 'fest last year about translation stuff - you remember luciash? Rodrigo suggested we move to using a common (open) translation system but i forget the name of it - might that help?	[15:26]
luciash	cool, that will reduce weight significantly jonnyb: you mean the .po files ?	[15:26]
jonnyb	+1 for removing commented out ones, but as part of the release script (in the meantime) yes luciash, that was the one	[15:27]
chibaguy	I wonder what's involved in moving to .po files. This comes up every couple of years. ;-)	[15:28]
jonnyb	indeed - for tiki6 maybe? probably not a small job	[15:28]
chibaguy	probably not.	[15:28]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03sept_7 * r25073 10/branches/experimental/tiki-webdav/: [BRANCH] Creation, trunk 0 to 25072	[15:31]
chibaguy	Is this what we're talking about? gettext: http://mel.melaxis.com/devblog/2005/08/06/localizing-php-web-sites-using-gettext/	[15:33]
luciash	yep	[15:34]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r25074 10/trunk/ (10 files in 9 dirs): tikiwiki: [MOD] Rewriting external feed library to use Zend_Feed_Reader rather than an tikiwiki: assorted set of regex. Should add support for more formats, resolve multiple tikiwiki: issues and speed up feed display (feeds used to be parsed every single time they tikiwiki: were displayed and sorted manually)	[15:35]
chibaguy	This looks neat: http://www.poedit.net/index.php	[15:38]
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jonnyb	that's the one chibaguy - apparently we'd get more translators on board using something like that	[15:43]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r25075 10/trunk/lib/smarty_tiki/function.tikicon.php: [KIL] Unused smarty function. No references found and no real commits since 2004	[15:44]
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chibaguy	There's also something called Zend_Translate: http://www.developer.com/design/article.php/3683571/Build-Multi-lingual-Websites-With-the-Zend-Framework.htm	[15:46]
jonnyb	oh yes - well spotted - it's already "in" tiki too	[15:47]
chibaguy	yep "At present Zend_Translate supports a variety of source file formats, including PHP arrays, CSV, _Gettext_...."	[15:49]
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chibaguy	http://framework.zend.com/manual/en/zend.translate.html	[15:53]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r25076 10/trunk/ (98 files): [MOD] Header: Copyright + Id	[15:53]
stix	When you try to access a wiki when not logged in, you are presented with an error-page which refers to the login-page. After you login you go the the groups homepage and not the page you originally tried to access. How is this changed?	[15:58]
ricks99	turn off the "use group home pages" option	[15:59]
stix	where is that?	[15:59]
ricks99	Admin: Login i think	[16:01]
stix	it doesn't look like it	[16:02]
ricks99	see doc: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Groups+Management on admin: group	[16:04]
stix	I found it in general It also has this "Go to group homepage only if login from default homepage"	[16:05]
ricks99	ok	[16:05]
stix	which is perfect :)	[16:05]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03sept_7 * r25077 10/third_party/ezcomponents/ (287 files in 40 dirs): [ADD] eZ Components 2009.2 for WebDAV	[16:06]
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luciash	luciash wonders if the eZ Components come from the eZpublish CMS	[16:09]
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chibaguy	yep, you're right, luciash.	[16:14]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03sept_7 * r25078 10/branches/experimental/tiki-webdav/ (11 files in 6 dirs): tikiwiki: [EHN] Add webDAV to Tiki, initial work by Nyloth continued by me tikiwiki: Basic operations work : uploads, downloads, folder creation... tikiwiki: Use with caution ! ;p tikiwiki: Tested with cadaver, IE, and Firefox estention Trail-Mix	[16:14]
chibaguy	looks like zend again, to me. I don't know what I'm reading, really, but this looks relevant: http://devzone.zend.com/article/156 - "Integrating Smarty and ez Components with the Zend Framework"	[16:17]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r25079 10/trunk/ (54 files): [MOD] Header: Copyright + Id	[16:23]
luciash	:)	[16:23]
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luciash	get system error trying to preview wiki page with articles plugin on trunk :-/ after save too	[16:28]
nkoth	stupid question but is db up to date?	[16:29]
luciash	yes	[16:29]
nkoth	and it sves without the plugin? (so basically it's the plugin that is not working prob)	[16:30]
jonnyb	hi luciash - i've been working on that one	[16:31]
luciash	yes {ARTICLES(max="5",lang="en",sort="lastModif_desc",quiet="y",titleonly="y")}{ARTICLES} this is what i put there	[16:31]
jonnyb	ok, on it... fixing on it's way	[16:32]
luciash	jonnyb: got it too ?	[16:32]
jonnyb	brb (fone) yes, got the error here er... there is no column called lastModif	[16:36]
luciash	ok	[16:38]
jonnyb	i didn't remove it	[16:39]
luciash	ah hmm, so how is it called for articles to sort by lastModif date ?	[16:39]
jonnyb	try publishDate or expireDate	[16:39]
luciash	sorry, then it seems to be my fault thank you well publishDate isn't exactly last modif but i think i can use it	[16:39]
jonnyb	hmm, doesn't seem to be anysort of created of last mod info in there (articles are weird) of/or	[16:40]
luciash	g	[16:40]
jonnyb	would be good to add i want to start a campaign to turn blog posts into a new type of article - would reduce lots of duplicated code...	[16:40]
luciash	yeah, and allow blog post submissions	[16:42]
jonnyb	coo, yes!	[16:42]
sylvieg	and why it is not a coment? coment ... :-(	[16:42]
luciash	blog a comment ?	[16:42]
jonnyb	and a forum post?	[16:42]
luciash	and then comment these comments ? :-p	[16:42]
jonnyb	it's all the same sort of stuff	[16:43]
luciash	but i wonder jonnyb how you would like to keep the feature that blogs can have their own headings headers ? heads ? :-p and we need prev/next post nav badly	[16:43]
jonnyb	for posts? of the actual blog?	[16:44]
luciash	actual blog	[16:44]
jonnyb	of/or (again) those would stay the same, just the posts would be articles	[16:44]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r25080 10/trunk/ (107 files): [MOD] Header: Copyright + Id	[16:45]
luciash	ah, ok, the "wrapper" would stay the same, fine	[16:45]
jonnyb	and so a blog becomes a new type of article list again more code reduction	[16:45]
luciash	well, blog could be a wiki page containing articles plugin as well	[16:46]
nkoth	I think it is good to still have a blog feature and blog wrapper, but the blog posts themselves can be articles. I think jonnyb's idea is good	[16:47]
jonnyb	hi nkoth	[16:52]
nkoth	hi	[16:53]
luciash	i think even better would be if all content would be like a wiki page - having history of changes with diffs etc. but that is a lot of dreaming already	[16:54]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r25081 10/trunk/ (76 files): [MOD] Header: Copyright + Id	[17:01]
luciash	changi: can you point me out on where we agreed on the format of "(c) Copyright 2002-2010 by authors of the Tiki Wiki/CMS/Groupware Project" ?	[17:02]
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CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r25082 10/trunk/ (63 files): [MOD] Header: Copyright + Id	[17:07]
coaboa	Does one know if it is possible to have (maybe using perspectives) to have an article in different levels (eg. beginner, expert & pro) where the common content (maybe basic feature description & intro etc) is shared ammong those versions? so that a user can define which depth the content has which is presented to him	[17:09]
luciash	article or wiki page ?	[17:10]
sylvieg	version plugin???	[17:10]
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ricks99	can include parts (i.e., common) of one wiki page in another	[17:11]
luciash	if you want to show content depending on current user group use group wikiplugin	[17:13]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03sept_7 * r25083 10/branches/experimental/tiki-webdav/ (163 files in 9 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, trunk 25072 to 25079	[17:13]
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luciash	damn language dropdown doesn't switch pages by lang anymore	[17:15]
jonnyb	oh yes - quick_switch_language() not found anymore :( fix coming...	[17:16]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r25084 10/trunk/templates/translated-lang.tpl: [FIX] {jq notonready=true} for "normal" JS (makes language select dropdown work again)	[17:20]
coaboa	thinking mor of "tagging" content for later usage. maybe an 140 char intro which also will be sent to twitter, an abstract which will also published @ facebook and so on. So writing content once (in depth) and mark parts for specific additional usage	[17:20]
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jonnyb	another casualty of moving all JS to end of file... can you test pls luciash?	[17:20]
luciash	jonnyb: thx, sure coaboa: you can use trackers for that and include in any page using trackerlist plugin	[17:22]
coaboa	a tracker which publishes the eg article header to twitter?	[17:24]
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luciash	jonnyb: yes, it works again	[17:28]
jonnyb	jolly good - keep an eye out for JS errors, we'll get them all in the end! i found another one today - categorize_list.php also now generates a JS error if it's included and not used (as in tiki-view_sheets.php)	[17:28]
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sylvieg	again the copyright :-(	[17:45]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r25085 10/trunk/ (lib/filegals/filegallib.php tiki-file_archives.php): notice	[17:49]
	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r25086 10/trunk/tiki-admin_topics.php: [FIX] I have nothing against new words, but this one causes a parse error.	[17:55]
luciash	coaboa: well, you would need to figure out the twitter connection part	[18:08]
ricks99	@coaboa: you can if you generate RSS for the tracker, you can push to twitter via twitterfeed	[18:09]
luciash	ricks99: nice, can you strip out some part of the rss output to fit the twitter chars limit ?	[18:11]
ricks99	yes. check out twitterfeed.com u can also add pre/suffix	[18:11]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r25087 10/trunk/ (6 files in 6 dirs): [NEW] Allow to pull RSS feeds into tiki articles	[18:15]
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luciash	ricks99: cool	[18:19]
ricks99	very. that's how i keep the @twbasics twitter stream active	[18:22]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r25088 10/trunk/lib/search/searchlib-mysql.php: [ENH] Allow category filter in searches tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r25089 10/trunk/lib/search/searchlib-mysql.php: [FIX] missing parameter	[18:24]
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luciash	strange, i have <param name="wmode" value="transparent"> in my flash object but still the video frame appears above the plugin helper ah, nope, sorry, my mistake	[18:31]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r25090 10/trunk/ (5 files in 5 dirs): [FIX] Enclose article content in ~np~ as it is all HTML. Make the pagination of article content optional as it breaks the wiki syntax.	[18:35]
luciash	huh ? articles can be wiki syntax, not all html... i don't get it	[18:36]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r25091 10/trunk/tiki-searchresults.php: [ENH] Allow category filter in searches	[18:36]
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nkoth	luciash: I think lphuberdeau means when generating an article from a rss feed	[18:38]
luciash	ah, sorryy, out of context ;)	[18:38]
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luciash	jonnyb: there seems to be problem that wikiplugin helper UI gets cached including param values and even tiki clear cache doesn't refresh it	[18:41]
jonnyb	oh? where/how/when?	[18:42]
luciash	g i have: {trackerlist trackerId="1" sort="y" sort_mode="created_desc" max="1" showpagination="n" filterfield="9" exactvalue="22" wiki="News Last Item Template"} in source of the wiki page but the plugin helper shows me another trackerlist values as for this param: Wiki Page [News Item Template] there should be [News Last Item Template] though wow !	[18:42]
jonnyb	you mean the wiki param is wrong? or all of them	[18:45]
luciash	now this is weird, when i hit the close button for this helper there is another helper under it	[18:45]
Trebly	Hello, newbie it's the first time I connect to IRC (via Chatzilla) I have a lot of general questions of a newbie to understand the organization before going on practical actions	[18:46]
luciash	which shows the correct values :-p so for some reason it shows me two plugin helpers one over the other	[18:46]
jonnyb	luciash: coo - do you have more than one trackerlist plug on the page? hi Trebly - welcome	[18:47]
luciash	yes, i have two trackerlists there, but funny thing is none of them has wiki="News Item Template"	[18:47]
jonnyb	bizarre	[18:48]
luciash	the other one has wiki="News Headlines List Template" that one which incorrectly displays over is in another wiki page though	[18:48]
jonnyb	do the plugins work ok if you only have one per page?	[18:49]
luciash	i will try goddamnit, nope :-[18:51] <luciash> removed the other trackerlist... still two helpers same	[18:49]
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jonnyb	mucho weirdo	[18:51]
luciash	weirdo mucho grande	[18:51]
jonnyb	there are some odd things in tiki-wikiplugin_edit.php... you're not in WYSIWYG mode presumably?	[18:52]
luciash	no way :)	[18:54]
jonnyb	(it's quite scary!)	[18:54]
Trebly	Thank's, I salute all the team. I began to use Tikiwiki three month ago, I have installed two sites on a shared server domain "trebly.net", and because I am interested in development. I am installing all development tools on my main computer, it runs on windows XP SP3 and I have difficulties : comes from 4.1 or the platform context, I try to answer to these question on some problem and make... ...a good windows configuration	[18:55]
jonnyb	Trebly: are you using XAMP (which works) or IIS (which doesn't, afaik)?	[18:56]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r25092 10/trunk/templates/tiki-searchresults.tpl: [ENH] Allow category filter in searches	[18:58]
coaboa	Trebly: you may also look @ vmware (server) with a linux distro wich gives you the ability to save a state and if something got screwd just switch back to this.	[18:59]
Trebly	No APACHE (from easyphp5.3) and my config Apache/2.2.13 (Win32) DAV/2 mod_ssl/2.2.13 OpenSSL/0.9.8k SVN/1.6.6 PHP/5.3.0 with extensions	[19:00]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r25093 10/trunk/templates/tiki-searchresults.tpl: [FIX] previous commit (this should only show in the main search area, not on the top bar search...)	[19:00]
jonnyb	sounds ok so far Trebly	[19:01]
sylvieg	does somebody use a yaml checker sylvieg is dying with the profile stuff	[19:02]
jonnyb	hi sylvieg - is there one? i just use a good text editor that colorizes the syntax - helps a bit profiles really could do with more (some) feedback on syntax errors :(	[19:03]
coaboa	sylvieg: I ve tried instant yaml	[19:03]
sylvieg	2 full days on a profile - and I still do not have it :-( sylvieg will spend 2 more hours and will give up for a plugin..	[19:05]
coaboa	instantyaml.appspot.com works for me but just started with yaml	[19:06]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r25094 10/trunk/ (3 files): [FIX] When switching back to single selector from multiple selector when only one selected, to forget multiple selector settings otherwise it gets in the way	[19:06]
nkoth	in my dream "wishlist" is an ide for profiles	[19:08]
coaboa	and there are two yaml plugins for eclipse ide where one doesnt worked *for me	[19:08]
sylvieg	thanks a lot coaboa	[19:09]
Trebly	Nota: I don't use extension ADODB.dll because I could not find a good version available for php5.3 (not all same entries) and ready to compile I could not till know find the sources. Never mind if not available the interpreted version must functions but I always crashes the database connection on the function not found : Setattribute in Session->open line 23 of tikisession-pdo.php item 3029	[19:10]
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nkoth	looks like i can't work here for the next few days (fire alarm testing unit by unit) good thing i am moving out at the end of the month	[19:12]
luciash	nkoth: aye	[19:13]
nkoth	sorry for the rant, but maybe fire alarms shoul d be optional :)	[19:14]
Tikiwiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: The Editor doesnt work! - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=36317	[19:17]
Trebly	Compl : 3.3 functions but not 4.1 - I have gone as an explorer inside everything of the product. Now I am looking for the class structure and the process used to connect $dbtiki to class Zend_Db_Statement_Pdo which provides (in my opinion) the Setattribute function	[19:18]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r25095 10/trunk/templates/tiki-site_header_options.tpl: [FIX] Smarty parse error (unknown cause, but this fixes it)	[19:18]
jonnyb	Trebly: you probably want to look in /db/tiki-db-pdo.php and /lib/core/lib/TikiDb*	[19:20]
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CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r25097 10/trunk/ (7 files in 5 dirs): tikiwiki: [ENH] Tiki-sheet can now parse wiki syntax in cells. tikiwiki: More to come (has produced more problems saving sheets with jQuery.sheet - saveSheet() needs rewiting... next)	[19:21]
jonnyb	jonnyb needs food & will be back later	[19:21]
coaboa	sylvieg: this hlepd me too http://yaml.org/refcard.html	[19:21]
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lphuberdeau	getting weird template compile errors all around	[19:22]
nkoth	lphuberdeau: maybe it's a cache thing	[19:22]
lphuberdeau	cleared it got worst	[19:22]
nkoth	that commit you just made is bizarre	[19:22]
lphuberdeau	I know, reverted it now I get an error on error.tpl ( ! ) Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_ENDIF in /var/www/trunk/templates_c/en^%%67^67E^67E1C58E%%error.tpl.php on line 151	[19:22]
nkoth	hmm, i cleared my cache and have a problem too	[19:24]
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nkoth	seemsok now	[19:26]
Trebly	Ok this is good but it is session_start() line 124 of tiki_setup_base which activates "open" in session class with "TikiDb::get()->setAttribute(PDO::ATTR_ERRMODE, PDO::ERRMODE_EXCEPTION);" which can't reach the SetAttribute function	[19:28]
lphuberdeau	disable db sessions or switch to adodb that issue was resolved for next version this template issue is really weird, I can reproduce it no problem	[19:31]
nkoth	maybe it's out of memory or that kind of thing	[19:34]
lphuberdeau	seriously doubt that, I run with 1G mem limit might be related to those keywords	[19:34]
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Trebly	Complement : When I make a clean new db there are other problems, In 3029 item I explain that I choose to test (which I will need) the "manual" (script) transfer (adapting : local.php, htaccess, patched .php to use well as parameter my FileAccessName for windows and export-import SQL to mysql). This crashes as described. Thank's but I must go away for 1h and half - I get answers but a meeting ...	[19:43]
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lphuberdeau	trashing and restoring templates/ seems to have solved it strange had no local changes	[20:02]
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OFF	hello, i have a question regarding permission, is there anyone available?	[20:09]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, Please just ask your question, dont ask to ask, someone will reply if and when they know the answer. Welcome again and please stay awhile Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc channel, Please just ask your question, dont ask to ask, someone will reply if and when they know the answer. Welcome again and please stay awhile	[20:09]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r25098 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [NEW] Allow to delay publication	[20:14]
coaboa	OFF: just ask	[20:14]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r25099 10/trunk/templates/tiki-page_bar.tpl: [FIX] Do not show comments area if specific page is set to not allow comments	[20:14]
OFF	I have a Wiki Page assigned to Categories A, B and C. I have given GROUP-A permission to View CATEGORY-A GROUP-A can also Edit the pages they can see; permission assinged Globally problem is: when a member of GROUP-A edit and saves thi Wiki Page, CATEGORY-A is unassigned from the page any ideas why this happens?	[20:16]
lphuberdeau	version?	[20:20]
OFF	2.2	[20:20]
lphuberdeau	I don't support that	[20:20]
nkoth	I don't remember that being the case....	[20:20]
OFF	unless I'm missing something, I think it's a bug	[20:21]
nkoth	maybe it's an old bug v2 is a little long ago	[20:21]
OFF	In that case I'm afraid I'll need to update... as I have been suggested to do :T I know. I've been fighting with Permissions for a week now without acomplishing my objective.	[20:21]
lphuberdeau	at the very least you should upgrade to 2.4, the latest of 2.x, or to an LTS version (3.x), or latest stable (4.x)	[20:22]
OFF	I was trying to avoid the update process since I don't want to affect the data already in the Wiki I've been told 4.x has enhanced permissions, is that right?	[20:22]
lphuberdeau	I know the problem won't happen in 4.x, no idea of prior versions yes	[20:23]
OFF	OK. I'll update then. Any thing I should be aware of about updating?	[20:24]
nkoth	just make a copy and try various upgrades on the copy	[20:24]
OFF	v4.1 is the recommended version, right?	[20:25]
coaboa	use mysqldump (to avoid iso/utf scrambling) for datbase backup and restore.	[20:25]
OFF	that is, for example, the Export option in phpMyAdmin?	[20:26]
nkoth	coaboa: any idea if you can upgrade directly from 2.2 to 4.1 or must you go through 3?	[20:26]
lphuberdeau	2.2 to 4.1 will work 1.9 to 4.1 will work for that matter	[20:27]
coaboa	he should try it but setting up a second server (if available) personaly i never jumped over that distance ;-)	[20:28]
OFF	well, thats all for now. thanks for your time! have a nice day.	[20:29]
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luciash	lphuberdeau: the weird issue you had with the smarty parsing of cached template i hade on some servers (only some) with pretty tracker wiki pages as templates when they contained quotes or single quotes in smarty tags in some circumstances and i had to remove them (rollback the wiki page)... dunno why exactly this happens i just know it sucks a lot and only on some servers, others were fine	[20:39]
lphuberdeau	first time in ... a lot of years ... on my dev machines	[20:39]
luciash	couldn't track any significant differences in php to nail it down :(	[20:39]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r25100 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [NEW] Allow to select default categories for new articles	[20:52]
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CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03luciash * r25101 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_mediaplayer.php: [ENH] mediaplayer plugin: fullscreen and wmode params	[20:54]
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coaboa	good night	[21:06]
luciash	nite	[21:06]
mei	does anyone have an idea why a Screencast preview wouldn't work? I get the message "Preview Not Possible" when I upload a screencast.	[21:08]
luciash	mei: Screencast is SuMo supported only mei: will not be released with Tiki 5 mei: no idea about it, sorry	[21:09]
mei	no problem	[21:11]
luciash	try #sumo :)	[21:11]
mei	okay	[21:12]
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CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03luciash * r25102 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_mediaplayer.php: no change, code indentation only	[21:21]
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luciash	hmm, what is the 'filter' => in wikiplugins for ? doesn't seem to filter anything i input in plugin helper and what are the possible values ? i am trying 'filter' => 'text', 'filter' => 'url' and 'filter' => 'boolean'	[21:38]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r25103 10/trunk/templates/comments.tpl: [FIX] Proper handling of showing of toolbar in comment/forum post editor depending on whether wiki syntax is accepted	[21:39]
jonnyb	luciash: look in TikiFilter.php	[21:40]
luciash	jonnyb: fine, tnx	[21:40]
jonnyb	types are things like alpha, digits etc	[21:40]
luciash	lib ?	[21:41]
jonnyb	by the way - have you worked out how to send JSON data with ajax in jquery? lib/core	[21:41]
luciash	i see ah, it sanitizes rather checks if the input matches the filter	[21:42]
jonnyb	yup - it also attaches some funky jquery things to the plugin form - like group/user autocomplete - also datepicker now	[21:45]
luciash	can we make some check if the input is valid in the plugin helper for the field or even use dropdowns, radios etc. ?	[21:46]
jonnyb	use options for dropdowns	[21:46]
luciash	options ? 'options' => ... ?	[21:47]
jonnyb	see img plugin for example	[21:47]
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luciash	true is the plugin helper gui is tiki cached i have to clear the cache while doing any change in the plugin code s/while/after/ and even refresh the browser cache or reload	[21:59]
jonnyb	yup - dull, isn't it :)	[22:01]
luciash	but the dropdown option is nice :)	[22:01]
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luciash	jonnyb: can we also set default size of the input field ? it's kind of short for urls	[22:04]
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jonnyb	true, maybe add a "length" attribute to the param? (would need writing) of "size" maybe	[22:05]
luciash	of :)	[22:06]
jonnyb	of/or :))	[22:06]
luciash	:D where is that coded ? new params to add lib/core/lib/... ?	[22:06]
jonnyb	not coded... the form's generated in tiki-js.js (buildformrow or something)	[22:07]
luciash	but i mean you need to add it next to the 'filter' => ..., 'options' => ... etc. no ? where is this handled ?	[22:08]
jonnyb	yup	[22:08]
luciash	or i just add it there in the plugin code and then in the js only ?	[22:09]
jonnyb	build_plugin_form_row() in tiki-js.js	[22:09]
luciash	fine	[22:09]
jonnyb	i think so	[22:09]
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luciash	should i add it as new param or paramDef.size ?	[22:12]
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jonnyb	sorry - can't tell without looking (have been tryring to stop working for past 3 hours...)	[22:12]
luciash	aye :) i think param is right, paramDef are extra definitions for params i think	[22:12]
jonnyb	should be like how options are handled, i tihnk	[22:14]
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chealer	polom	[22:40]
jonnyb	polom chealer	[22:40]
chealer	hi jonnyb	[22:41]
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CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r25104 10/trunk/tiki-kaltura_video.php: [FIX] perm typo tikiwiki: 03alain_desilets * r25105 10/trunk/lib/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [ENH] Fixing unit tests for UpdatePages.php.	[22:51]
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CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03luciash * r25106 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_mediaplayer.php: [ENH] mediaplayer plugin: make some params dropdown options in plugin helper tikiwiki: 03alain_desilets * r25107 10/trunk/lib/test/core/Multilingual/Aligner/UpdatePagesTest.php: [ENH] Fixing unit tests for UpdatePages.php.	[22:56]
chealer	jonnyb: so you're saying tiki-objectpermissions.php breaks with a group name containing a single quote?	[22:59]
jonnyb	:)	[22:59]
chealer	jonnyb: do you have an example? (I have one, but it works)	[22:59]
jonnyb	(i thought you/we fixed that one) i made a group called Apost'rof	[22:59]
chealer	jonnyb: hum, we fixed something in Montreal about French translations with apostrophes causing JS errors and breaking editpage, can't remember looking at objectpermissions together though jonnyb: OK	[23:00]
jonnyb	& i get an uncaught JS exception on loading	[23:00]
chealer	jonnyb: hum, I see what you mean	[23:01]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03luciash * r25108 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_mediaplayer.php: oops, transparent is a string of course	[23:02]
chealer	jonnyb: strangely, I don't seem to get JS exceptions, but the top checkbox is not working	[23:02]
jonnyb	maybe a firebug setting - i have show js errors & warnings and track throw/catch set on	[23:04]
chealer	jonnyb: thanks. I didn't have the latter but now I do and still don't get it.	[23:06]
jonnyb	hmm, odd - firebug 1.5? (release)	[23:07]
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chealer	jonnyb: yes jonnyb: just found at least a HTML error	[23:10]
jonnyb	:) sometime chrome/safari shows up other errors that firebug doesn't catch	[23:10]
Trebly	jonnyb: a I am back, did you have an idea, a way to search for my installation	[23:11]
jonnyb	sorry - i didn't really understand the problem - too deep in the db stuff for my liking :) lph said: lphuberdeau: disable db sessions [19:32] lphuberdeau: or switch to adodb [19:32] lphuberdeau: that issue was resolved for next version	[23:13]
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jonnyb	if we could find the fix in trunk we could backport it into 4.x for the next version...	[23:15]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r25109 10/trunk/ (24 files): tikiwiki: [FIX] Permissions checking via access->check_permission checks for all of the tikiwiki: perms, so the checks before that check for multiple ones did not make sense. tikiwiki: With the admin perms, they automatically inherit those under the same perm tikiwiki: section and need not be specified again.	[23:15]
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CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03luciash * r25110 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_mediaplayer.php: [FIX] mediaplayer plugin: the additional optional params are correctly passed to the FlashVars now tikiwiki: 03luciash * r25111 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_mediaplayer.php: & > &	[23:26]
	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r25112 10/trunk/lib/tikiaccesslib.php: [ENH] Add ability to check for any one of a list of permissions (either one will suffice)	[23:34]
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Trebly	Hello to everybody - Newbie I don't know anybody : connected first at 20h gmt+2 : do you know who knows well the adodb and pdo class structures, and eventually where and how $tikidb (adodb::get()) inherit the class Zend_Db_Statement_Pdo; I have a crash by "function not found" at tiki-setup_base.php:120: session_start();	[23:42]
CIA-64	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r25113 10/trunk/templates/tiki-view_articles.tpl: [FIX] Show "Read more..." text only if tiki_p_read_article is y	[23:46]
	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r25114 10/trunk/ (7 files): [FIX] More perm checking fixing to incorporate either logic	[23:53]

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